What would compel Ukraine to give up territory that Russia hasn't conquered (such as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Slovians and Kramatorsk in Donetsk)?

Western security guarantees.

>>509119359 (OP)
How can you 'give up' something which you don't have?

>>509119457
the fuck are you talking about? russia hasnt conquered even a single administrative center since its 2022 invasion. that includes any of the oblasts they claim are theirs

>>509119620
Why aren't you in Ukraine btw?

>>509119696
why the fuck would I go to ukraine retard

>>509119359 (OP)
Nothing, literally. Maybe a dozen nukes or more but even then they would just become more hardcore. They're dedicated as fuck.

>>509119620
I dont think adminitrative centers are relevant to this matter.

>>509119836
Remember calling me subhuman?

>>509119836
Why don't you calm down? Dutch people don't act that angry so you come off as some kind of immigrant.
>>509119891
I think either Trump's blackmail to not give them any more Patriots without a peace deal would work. Without Patriots they're "naked" so to speak.

>>509119394
The west gave security guarantees when Ukraine gave up their nukes.

>>509120127
What they lose, they lose in battle. Giving these cities like that is not a solution but on the contrary it will spark even more hatred and conflict.

>>509120266
No
Russia gave guarantees to Ukraine in exchange for them surrendering their nukes.

This is a major reason why Ukraine refuse to sign any treaty with Russia now. They've proven that their words means nothing.

>>509119359 (OP)
The total destruction of their remaining male population.

>>509120266
>The west gave security guarantees when Ukraine gave up their nukes.
Here's the direct verbatim:
>Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
This is a non-aggression guarantee, which the western nations upheld and Russia didn't.
There are no security guarantees as of now, because everyone is too scared of the political fallout internally and russia doing something batshit retarded

>>509119359 (OP)
Just cut a deal and stop killing one another fuck notice how it's just the poor people that die, the rich ones aren't fighting at all

>>509120361
Yeah sure, but you see even the current situation is artificial and depends on hundreds of Patriot missiles being available to intercept the Russian ones, per month. Trump could just stop sending them or even threaten to do it. Ukrainians, especially the civilian population, would be a lot less hardcore if they couldn't do coffee dates and pool parties in their main cities. Even Israel flopped when Tel Aviv started getting rekt.

>>509120429
The condition for the existence of the Ukrainian state was neutrality and some of the agreements even have sentences speaking of “Russia/Belarus/Ukraine brotherhood”. The Ukrainian state broke that first.
The nukes were Russian in the Ukraine. In the same way the nukes in Germany or Turkey are American. Ironically it was the US that wanted them back into Russia because they knew the Ukrainian state is too corrupt and unreliable.

>>509120846
> Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories
>political independence
Broken by Western states and Russia way more than decade ago.
Euromaidan colour revolution being the most egregious example.

>>509121031
Ukraine didn't even have the money to maintain these "nukes" so it's a silly conversation overall

>>509121082
Well yes, it’s disinfo number 18394 meant to make a cartoon villain out of Russia so we can never restore relations with them which is our Jewish elites intent.

>>509121031
>>509121281
>Vpnhills out in full force today
Jedes fickende mal kök

>>509119359 (OP)
Common sense. Continue the war and have a complete demographic collapse. And lose not just a couple of oblasts, but disappear completely as a nation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukraine-has-a-problem-no-one-is-talking-about-young-women/
>>509119394
They are worthless. Especially now, when you are on the verge of deep crisis like the Great Depression.

>>509119359 (OP)
As a German, my perspective on this war is a bit different than the one of americans, french, etc. Germany ended up loosing both world wars. In ww1, we did actually really well for most of the war against a enemy with more soldiers/weapons/munitions. still, it was a hopeless battle. its the same with ukraine really. They will loose just like ww1 germany lost, when they reach a point when they are so fucking exhausted. not there yet. we will see the war continue in 2026, but i guess mid 2027 at the latest its ovyr. then the peace treaty wont be so nice.

>>509119359 (OP)
It's the will of Allah. White colonizers have to pay for their sins against the people of color. I'm sorry, but this is non-negotiable. Every coastial city population must be cleansed and replaced with muslims like good gospodin Putin did with Mariupol, Insa'allah!!

>>509121576
the best money we ever spent

>>509121576
You can just replace the dead males with beautiful people of colour and these will make beautiful mixed race babys with the ukrainian women.

>>509121082
Ukraine got all their soviet-era mothball equipment up and operational again, including the S-200s which are very effective with modern avionics

>>509121868
Time to move your entire cockroach family back to Syria, Mohammad.

>>509119359 (OP)
>Giving up anything west of Dnieper
I have no idea how Russians really expect for anyone to just give them foothold like that.

I mean they understand it's not going to happen, right?

>>509119457
>How can you 'give up' something which you don't have?
Least delusional zigger

>What would compel Ukraine to give up territory that Russia hasn't conquered

To stop this from happening?

>>509120266
Never happened tranny faggot shill
And ukraine was paid 2.5 billion for thier nukes

>>509121082
>Ukraine didn't even have the money to maintain these "nukes"
And yet norf korea can develop their own and maintain them.

>>509122400
>Russia is capable of injuring our citizens
>Let's surrender to Russia right now
How is that an argument? Using this logic majority of Europe should just give up everything to Russia.

>>509122478
with significant chinese and russian aid
probably one of the reason why kim felt compelled to send some troops to russia