MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DEBATE IN 170+ YEARS IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS UNFOLDING RIGHT NOW! - /pol/ (#509146894) [Archived: 743 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:36:39 PM No.509146894
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PREVIOUS THREADS:
>>509081076
>>509132466
Contrary to what many jews will say in this thread there is NO RULING from SCOTUS that states that the children of illegal aliens are citizens, that is NOT what the 14th amendment says either and it is NOT what the author of Clause 1 of the 14th amendment says in constitutional record, and it is NOT what SCOTUS precedent says in Wong Kim Ark.

>Here is how it stands today:

1: The Trump Administration is arguing from the position of UPHOLDING the US Constitution and SCOTUS precedent.

2: Precedent set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark states that children of LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS have citizenship.

3: The author of 14th Amendment Clause 1 Senator Jacob Howard, specifically excludes the children of illegal aliens from birthright citizenship when he offers his definition of the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

4: On June 27th, 2025 SCOTUS ruled that the National Injunctions that were placed against Trumps Executive Order were unlawful and thus the Trump Administration was granted the ability in 28 States to enforce his Executive Order on Birthright Citizenship.

>Trumps Executive Order is as follows:
โ€œpolicy of the United Statesโ€ to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: โ€œ(1) when [a] personโ€™s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the personโ€™s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said personโ€™s birth, or (2) when [a] personโ€™s motherโ€™s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the personโ€™s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said personโ€™s birth.โ€

THEREFORE a ruling is required by SCOTUS NOW to clarify if the children of illegal aliens are covered under the 14th amendment and given all of the historical context and precedent set by previous SCOTUS majority opinions... the answer is CRYSTAL CLEAR that they are NOT protected under the 14th Amendment.
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:37:06 PM No.509146939
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This October the vote on the "MERITS" (Constitutionality) of Trumps order to end citizenship status for the children born to illegals and temporary visa holders takes place.

Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder going back to 1868 because that is how SCOTUS works - SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions and amendments are RETROACTIVE going back to the nearest precedent setting SCOTUS case (unless explicitly overturned by a new SCOTUS ruling) and the date the Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified.

Shitskins are seething over this, this means that 100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.

AMERICA WILL BE A WHITE NATION ONCE AGAIN WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN!
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Anonymous ID: z3+VYUyeUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:37:38 PM No.509146983
All of the immigration in America is due to the rightwing from your support of capitalism. Capitalism requires immigrants. Its not optional. No one is responsible for the situation but yourselves. Not jews. Not leftists.
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Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 8:38:19 PM No.509147047
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OP IS A SCHIZO
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:39:00 PM No.509147097
>>509147047
Based Spain.

/thread
Anonymous ID: ezcMmg4DUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:39:42 PM No.509147164
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This is our home. These people were used as a bioweapon against us. What did they think was going to happen?
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Anonymous ID: okN0Q7T5United States
6/30/2025, 8:40:03 PM No.509147197
>>509146983
I dont understand why people are celebrating a few mexicans being deported(only to sneak back into the country) when legal immigration is still flooding western civilizations.
Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:40:37 PM No.509147252
>>509147164
Anglos should be punished for invading and destroying America.
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:42:26 PM No.509147404
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The following is a quote from Charles J. Cooper from Cooper & Kirk Law Firm which testified UNDER OATH in front of the House Judiciary Committee on February 25th, 2025.

>COOPER: Why did its framers choose such a strange way to say that (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof)? Why didn't they just say subject to the laws of the United States? Doing so would've been quite natural given that this straightforward, unambiguous phrase is used in both Article III and Article VI.

>The clause also ensures that birthright citizenship makes newborns citizens of both the United States. And of the states wherein they reside, that is where they live, their home. This word standing alone implies a lawful permanent residence, and it plainly excludes tourists and other lawful visitors, as well as illegal aliens who are prohibited by law from residing in a state.

>Although they all must obey our laws.

The full Transcript can be found here: https://www.congress.gov/119/chrg/CHRG-119hhrg59353/CHRG-119hhrg59353.pdf
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:42:57 PM No.509147454
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In The United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) it is stated in the majority SCOTUS ruling that (emphasis mine):
>The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, IN THE ALLEGIANCE AND UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE COUNTRY, including all children here born of RESIDENT ALIENS, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns and their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes OWING DIRECT ALLEGIANCE TO THEIR SEVERAL TRIBES.

For a person born within the territory of the United States to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", it appears from the above passage that the person MUST at birth owe a sufficiently direct duty of allegiance to the sovereign in return for the sovereigns reciprocal obligation to protection. The child of members of an Indian tribe who owe direct allegiance to their tribe does NOT qualify, although clearly born within the territory of the United States.

NOR DO THE CHILDREN OF ALIENS WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.
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Anonymous ID: ezcMmg4DUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:42:58 PM No.509147457
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>>509147252
You should leave while you still can. It's gonna get bad here. We're going to have to answer the JQ very soon and you aren't going to want to be here when that happens.
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Anonymous ID: RoEUUVROUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:43:56 PM No.509147538
>>509146939
>this means that 100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.
These are people who have been living and working in the United States as citizens for decades. They've contributed more to America than any one shut-in loser on /pol/. What are the odds these illegals, who have been living as citizens, are also armed like citizens? What are the odds they live predominantly in mixed communities or legal citizens that know them and are also armed?
It's a good thing is unenforceable because counting on armed pseudo Americans to defend their livelihoods, homes and families in this situation would be almost certain.
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Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:44:09 PM No.509147560
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>>509147047
>allegiance
key word there Jose
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Anonymous ID: E/5H2MDdUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:44:46 PM No.509147593
>>509146983
All of the immigration in America is due to the jews from your support of the boomer lapdogs who wanted cheaper labor and more housing value.
ftfy
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Anonymous ID: lo8P/7NyUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:44:56 PM No.509147608
>>509146894 (OP)
SCOTUS will rule 6-3 that Trump's EO ending birthright citizenship in the future is legal and valid, but they will make no ruling IN THIS CASE on anything remotely like removing birthright citizenship from anyone prior to the EO. There MAY be a FUTURE case that does that but it won't be this case, and if it there is a future case about that, this case will serve as useful precedent.
Any other claim by anyone else in this thread is retarded and ignorant, betraying a total lack of understanding of Supreme Court procedures and precedents.
Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 8:45:17 PM No.509147638
>>509147404
>quote from a nobody
>>509147454
please read and anwser >>509147047
>>509147560
what does it says inmediatly after mutt?
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:45:52 PM No.509147683
>>509147457
Solve the eternal anglo question too :^3
Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:46:21 PM No.509147715
>>509147638
>doesn't know what and means
let me help you
'y'
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:47:06 PM No.509147785
>>509147538
The vast majority live in enclaves. That's how they've never had an American ancestor because they've been segmented from our population. Most people that are mixed into the population of actual Americans have at least one American in their ancestry
Anonymous ID: lo8P/7NyUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:47:06 PM No.509147786
>>509146939
The decision won't even come out until June of next year, and unless Sotomayor leaks the opinion early again like she did with Dobbs, we will remain totally in the dark about it long after October.
Anonymous ID: U6PH5uEnUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:47:10 PM No.509147790
The absolute gall of retroactive schizo anon to make another thread when he got btfo last thread.
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Anonymous ID: flRGC+LIUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:47:25 PM No.509147811
>>509146939
>this means that 100+ Million children of illegals and temporary visa holders will instantaneously lose their citizenship status in the United States.
As if that'll stop them. It didn't stop them from hoping the border and staying.
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Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:48:00 PM No.509147849
>>509147538
Also, a big part of this is that their vote won't be counted. You don't have to use guns or go house to house or anything like that. All you do is don't count their vote when they vote. Ez
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Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 8:48:06 PM No.509147859
let me help you
>including all children here born of resident aliens
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Anonymous ID: z3+VYUyeUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:48:14 PM No.509147873
>>509147593
Its from you and you blame jewish scapegoats to protect yourselves from socialism.
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Anonymous ID: lo8P/7NyUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:48:25 PM No.509147884
>>509147790
OP is Schizo but it's a fun thread and triggers a lot of lolbertarians and lefties so who cares.
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:50:14 PM No.509148035
>>509147538
Also, the second amendment which states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed does not apply to illegals and non-immigrants. Infer from that what you may?
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:50:51 PM No.509148095
>>509147790
Going through the last thread:
https://youtube.com/shorts/lNQ2lT1YHrk
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Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:51:03 PM No.509148115
>>509147859
>resident
That means people who are legal residents. Not tourists, temp workers, or here illegally. The people here illegally are in fact hostile occupiers, as they have recently gone out of their way to demonstrate.
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Anonymous ID: E/5H2MDdUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:51:30 PM No.509148153
>>509147873
I make less than 80k a year by choice. I literally don't buy anything other than essentials. I am not contributing anything. Thats why jews and boomers need to import immigrants. They spend like crazy.
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:51:57 PM No.509148207
>>509148115
>people here illegally
Just copy-pasted this:
https://youtube.com/shorts/lNQ2lT1YHrk
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Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 8:52:17 PM No.509148229
>>509148115
holy shit learn to read
>includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:54:00 PM No.509148367
>>509148229
>Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.
/thread

Once again, the anglos kneel to Spain (no matter how many coins they mint depicting the opposite).
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Anonymous ID: z3+VYUyeUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:54:07 PM No.509148375
>>509148153
If you make less than 80K a year by choice its because you have rich parents. Common story on /pol/. Not sure how it fits in to the conversation we're having one way or the other though. You and you solely are responsible for mass immigration through your support of rightwing politics.
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Anonymous ID: tMBeWcYaSweden
6/30/2025, 8:54:57 PM No.509148436
>>509147047
"every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and protection, and consequently subject to the juristiction of the US"
it seem that 14th amendment needs to be abolished entirely just like the 18th was
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:55:29 PM No.509148482
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REMINDER that the very fact that POTUS Executive Order goes into effect 27 days from now and SCOTUS is going on vacation for 90 days heavily conveys that SCOTUS WANTED the EO to go into effect because they have the votes, likely 5 - 4 in favor of UPHOLDING the US Constitution and SCOTUS PRECEDENT as I outlined in the OP.
Anonymous ID: duW34Zv2United Kingdom
6/30/2025, 8:55:42 PM No.509148501
>>509146894 (OP)
I do hope the votes are there to overturn this legal abomination.
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:56:25 PM No.509148574
>>509148367
Is this the precedent from Wong Kim Arc that's going to be overturned by this supreme Court?
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Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:57:28 PM No.509148662
>>509148095
>>509148207
I watched your faggot clip. Entering illegally is a crime, 8 U.S.C. ยง 1325. Unless every single one of these people overstayed a legit visa, and you know goddamned well that isn't the case, they committed an actual crime. The rest of the video is the usual muh feels bullshit.
>>509148229
stfu spanish idiot. That doesn't matter if they entered illegally. You can't benefit later from an earlier crime, that is longstanding common law precedent.
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:57:28 PM No.509148663
>>509148574
Was that case law or ruling?
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Anonymous ID: I/4gUoquUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:58:17 PM No.509148735
>>509147849
That sounds good. I just think displacing people already rooted in is a bad idea. It's obviously different from gangs and migrants
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 8:59:09 PM No.509148800
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>>509148574
Wong Kim Ark addressed a very narrow legal question: whether a child born in the United States to lawaful permanent residents of Chinese descent was entitled to citizenship under the 14th Amendment. The case did not, despite the conventional wisdom over decades, reach the question of whether children born to parents illegally in the United States were entitled to citizenship under the amendment.

In other words, it did not answer whether those not subject to the political jurisdiction thereof were entitled to birthright citizenship. The court ruled in favor of Wong Kim Ark, concluding that the children of lawful permanent residents who are โ€œdomiciledโ€ in the United States are entitled to birthright citizenship.

Wong Kim Ark did not address the question of whether children born to individuals who are unlawfully present in the United States qualify for birthright citizenship, no matter how many jews say otherwise.

The 1898 case is available for all to read here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

The opposition knows that the facts and the constitution support my arguments this is why they DO NOT wish for the Trump Administration to present these arguments in front of SCOTUS because they KNOW they WILL LOSE.
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Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:59:24 PM No.509148817
>>509148663
I don't know what it is. Might even be an inferior Court ruling. I don't know how much authority we put behind out of context quotes here on pol. That might work on Reddit but not here
Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 8:59:27 PM No.509148823
>>509148662
>and you know goddamned well
I don't know shit, this is why we come to /pol/: for the redpills, NOT your reddit circlejerk
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Anonymous ID: I/4gUoquUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:00:02 PM No.509148882
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>>509147859
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:00:11 PM No.509148894
>>509148735
All those enclaves in the South do need to be uprooted. We fought a war for that land and it's ours and they need to leave
Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:00:24 PM No.509148910
>>509148823
>I don't know shit
on that we agree
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Anonymous ID: I/4gUoquUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:01:14 PM No.509148988
>>509148035
If you're revoking their citizenship that they already possessed they are probably already armed. Armed conflict on American soil would another step to collapse.
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Anonymous ID: OkavZDqsGermany
6/30/2025, 9:01:28 PM No.509149008
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>>509146894 (OP)
based
Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:02:00 PM No.509149047
>>509148910
Nigger, some guy from Spain has been redpilling everyone in this thread.
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:02:58 PM No.509149122
>>509148988
Shoot, that would be awesome. Send all white men to fight blacks and pajeets.
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:03:01 PM No.509149127
>>509148988
The last time Democrats and Republicans fought over this it didn't cause the country to collapse
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:03:18 PM No.509149154
>>509149047
nigger that's you samefagging.
REMINDER THAT THE OPPOSITION HAS NO ARGUMENTS THAT ALL THEY CAN DO IS CALL ME "SCHIZO" AND DERAIL THE THREAD.
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Anonymous ID: ksKQzQsuUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:03:54 PM No.509149195
>>509149047
>some guy from Spain has been redpilling everyone in this thread.
LMFAO he isn't redpilling anyone and he's not even american he should stick to explaining Napoleonic law because that's the mistake he is making. YWNBAW btw
>>509148800
>Wong Kim Ark did not address the question of whether children born to individuals who are unlawfully present in the United States qualify for birthright citizenship, no matter how many jews say otherwise.
checked and this
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Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 9:04:12 PM No.509149218
>>509149154
you havent adressed anyof my posts
>so let me get this straight, SCOTUs is gonna rule that illegals are not under the us jurisdiction?
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Anonymous ID: kbg0CMahUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:06:58 PM No.509149417
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what a nothingburger
this is now a kot derailment thread
Anonymous ID: +F19Vj62United States
6/30/2025, 9:07:32 PM No.509149457
> Fourteenth Amendment

>Section 1

>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
This is extremely clear in saying anyone born in the US is a citizen. The second phrase (and subject...) only defers these rights in the case individual states pass laws regarding this amendment. It's delusional to suggest this deferment is passed on to the federal government itself.
>No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This is establishing specific clauses to prevent abusive state laws from subverting this amendment. Bad faith interpretation of the second phrase removes the substance of this entire sentence. This portion is essentially stating any deportation of children born in the US requires judicial process, which has been abused by the Trump admin.
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Anonymous ID: /v2QwPb5United States
6/30/2025, 9:07:35 PM No.509149463
>>509149127
the last time we had a civil war there was no internet and america wasn't an international player, let alone the one on top. far too much has changed to just simply say "it didn't happen then, so it won't now"
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Anonymous ID: x5hl1ha+United States
6/30/2025, 9:08:19 PM No.509149516
>>509147252
No one's falling for that 1970's noble savage liberal bullshit anymore. We've all had our lives damaged by your fake-ass white guilt and we've all seen it get people killed, women and children raped, lives and livelihoods destroyed.
Anonymous ID: udkMKmvMUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:08:56 PM No.509149569
>>509149457
>The second phrase (and subject...)
retard shill go back. the framer of that amendment said it didnt apply to foreigners. it was meant for the slaves and their kids.
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:09:05 PM No.509149581
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>>509149218
The Law as it stands already supports my and the Trump Administrations argument that Temporary Visa Holders and ILLEGAL Migrants and their offspring are NOT U.S Citizens. The intent and meaning of the 14th amendment is clear as can be seen in pic related which can be found at: https://www.congress.gov/congressional-globe/page-headings/39th-congress/n-a/72668 which is a link to the record of the 39th congress in REAL TIME as they were writing the 14th Amendment.

The United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) builds upon that and offers FURTHER PRECEDENT to support my arguments that ILLEGAL MIGRANTS, TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS (such as H1B) AND THEIR OFFSPRING ARE NOT U.S CITIZENS as the majority opinion explicitly uses the words "permanent resident" and "permanent domicile" which the modern day equivalent is the Permanent Residency Card or "Green Card".

The opposition has NO ARGUMENTS. They WILL NOT respond to my thread because they are LOW IQ, have NO ARGUMENTS, and couldn't come up with an argument even if they tried.
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Anonymous ID: duW34Zv2United Kingdom
6/30/2025, 9:09:12 PM No.509149591
>>509147859
>Resident Aliens
Yea...they explicitly made sure to include illegals. I can't see how it will be overturned on merits. It's still an abomination of a law but only solution is to change the amendment.

A Jewish NGO couldn't have written it better.
Anonymous ID: eqQUCdoWUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:09:21 PM No.509149605
>>509146894 (OP)
>ALL PERSONS BORN or naturalized in the U.S. and subject to its jurisdiction are CITIZENS of both the United States and the state they reside in
The African American slaves connection doesn't matter anymore today than the fact that The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed was because Americans had to fight the King of England.
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:10:02 PM No.509149652
>>509149463
Yeah so now our government is just going to steamroll it. And then it looks like Republicans have the government again. My guess is that they'll be isolated incidents that bolster public support to remove these people
Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 9:10:23 PM No.509149680
it all boils down to this simple question:
>Is an illegal in us soil subject to the the us jurisdiction (i.e. has to follow us law) or not?
If the anwser is yes, then his children is an american citizen. If the anwser is no, you cannot prosecute him for any crimes...
I hope you guys see the issue here
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:11:49 PM No.509149787
>>509149154
>samefagging
Anglokike, are you projecting?
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:13:37 PM No.509149924
>>509149680
Incorrect, you can be subject to the PARTIAL jurisdiction thereof the United States of America while still being denied rights granted by the Constitution to Citizens.

Perfect example are Temporary Visa Holders; The very nature of a Temporary Visa comes with all kinds of restrictions to things that CITIZENS are allowed access to such as; They can't vote, they can't sponsor people for PERMANENT RESIDENT CARDS (GREEN CARD), they can't even work in the US if their Visa is expired

The very definition of a "Temporary Visa" implies with it restrictions in regards to US CITIZENSHIP therefore they are NOT under the full jurisdiction thereof the United States of America.
Anonymous ID: Wey8vfsZUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:13:47 PM No.509149935
>>509149680
The president can't be prosecuted for crimes while in office. Does that mean he's not subject to the jurisdiction and his children? Aren't Americans? Your logic is flawed. I'm sorry
Anonymous ID: GnORSX4qUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:16:21 PM No.509150149
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>>509146894 (OP)
Look at this incels.
Trump is going to make it so foreign women have to pop out your babies to get citizenship.
If we win ww3 that means the hottest, tightest teen women from all over the world are going to fight for your dick.
And then they'll love and respect you to stop you from divorcing them which would mean they get deported. At first it will be forced but they'll come to interpret this as you being powerful and then really love you.
He's getting you what you want. He's getting you laid and he's getting you love and companionship.
What a good wingman.
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Anonymous ID: BeTYFokx
6/30/2025, 9:17:09 PM No.509150216
>>509149581
>>509149581
That sentence clearly states foreigners = embassadors or foreign ministers with diplomatic immunity, you retard.
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:18:16 PM No.509150304
>>509150216
>memeflag
>lies
pottery
Anonymous ID: E/5H2MDdUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:18:46 PM No.509150350
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>>509148375
>If you make less than 80K a year by choice its because you have rich parents.
No, I'm a nurse and during my 20s I saved up and actively worked to pay off my student loans. Now I'm in my 30s, I have no debt, and all my rent/bills are paid for within 2 weeks worth of work giving me room to save even more money. I know you can't possibly understand because you assume everyone is a mindless consumer and want the cheapest things. but if more people lived like I do our entire economy collapses.
>Not sure how it fits in to the conversation we're having one way or the other though. You and you solely are responsible for mass immigration through your support of rightwing politics.
You automatically assume I actively precipitate in our consumer/luxury capitalistic market and I'm telling you I'm not. Stop assuming faggot. I want this country to collapse so I can buy up the houses and rent it out to white only families; creating my own white neighborhood. I have the cash, I just gotta wait for the crash.
Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:19:48 PM No.509150438
>>509149569
You anglokikes had slavery????

Hispanics ended (((slavery))) in 1482 AD, any slave in Spain was brought over... like how after the Treaty of Utrecht, ghe DEMONIC anglos forced the ANGELIC Hispanics to take in 144,000 slaves every year. Also, because we're ALL children of God, the children of slavery were born free. Furthermore, slaves under Hispanics could go to UNIVERSITY, buy their own FREEDOM, and go to a priest to KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER.
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:22:20 PM No.509150657
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:22:29 PM No.509150674
>>509149195
>he isn't redpilling
You certainly aren't... I know you're anglo, but stop projecting your failures onto Spain.
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:24:38 PM No.509150855
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Anonymous ID: jiTmmUXNUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:25:27 PM No.509151229
>>509146894 (OP)
I wish Trump wasn't a dumb orange nigger jew and got this shit locked down BEFORE he started the israel dick sucking. The dumb nigger will get impeached before he can actually btfo illegals and demokikes.
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Anonymous ID: 8fpQoNiVUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:25:35 PM No.509151241
>>509149218
The moment I mention the Hispanic Empire, the protestants (including anglo-atheists and anglo-pagans) leave like demons.
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:32:35 PM No.509151828
Look at how desperate they are to derail the thread.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:34:07 PM No.509151959
>>509147811
>As if that'll stop them. It didn't stop them from hoping the border and staying.
It means that WE as Americans don't have to pay for their shit anymore
Almost all schools will become white overnight.

All this really means is they no longer have any voting rights.
The HEEbZ will still find a way to fuck us.
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Anonymous ID: +F19Vj62United States
6/30/2025, 9:34:34 PM No.509151991
>>509149569
cite something you mongoloid. president, i move to remove 27N6B from the chambers.
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Anonymous ID: KSEEjbEwSpain
6/30/2025, 9:35:40 PM No.509152074
>>509151959
A state cannot prevent children of undocumented immigrants from attending public school, ruled by scotus in Plyler v. Doe
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Anonymous ID: P9mkhjeiUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:36:02 PM No.509152104
>>509146894 (OP)
Please stop raping the little wilderness i have left in this state
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:36:10 PM No.509152124
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>>509151991
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Anonymous ID: 1APHv8ZgUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:36:32 PM No.509152154
>>509146894 (OP)
The cucked ass SC with women isn't going to rebuke it in the way that we all want
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:37:22 PM No.509152241
>>509152074
Sure it can, they can deported.
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Anonymous ID: Ghl+6fRjUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:38:12 PM No.509152317
>>509146894 (OP)
if they actually make an alligator moat i will go vote for trump next time
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Anonymous ID: y9fW+U44United States
6/30/2025, 9:38:32 PM No.509152351
>>509152104
Florida is mostly wilderness. but I agree our society needs to set aside more areas and keep them wild so future generations can enjoy the beauty of this countries nature. places where we can allow our native animals to roam
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
6/30/2025, 9:38:42 PM No.509152364
>>509152317
It's already been approved and funded.
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Anonymous ID: Ghl+6fRjUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:39:28 PM No.509152434
>>509152104
who is raping the wildlife here exactly?
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Anonymous ID: Ghl+6fRjUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:40:04 PM No.509152492
>>509152364
believe it when i see it . it's gonna be one stretch of 20 feet of water and a damn salamander.
Anonymous ID: P9mkhjeiUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:44:33 PM No.509152869
>>509152434
https://youtu.be/KMU0tzLwhbE?si=kqPJBMt2UweYZClL
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:47:55 PM No.509153141
>>509150149
>Trump is going to make it so foreign women have to pop out your babies to get citizenship.
>If we win ww3 that means the hottest, tightest teen women from all over the world are going to fight for your dick.

This alone is how Women are going to fuck this up for us.
All that prime pussy and zero Boostie shot women will flood into the USA.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 9:51:08 PM No.509153437
>>509150855
this alone stops the JEET invasion.
Same with the Chinks and others.
Anonymous ID: +F19Vj62United States
6/30/2025, 9:58:36 PM No.509154057
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>>509152124
he's talking about blacks and people with other cultures. rhetoric like this at the time was common, and any intention of this form in the amendment has obviously been here preceding irreconcilably revoked.
Anonymous ID: /uChbYJGHungary
6/30/2025, 10:04:09 PM No.509154472
>>509146939
>Basically REVOKING, VOIDING, citizenship for anyone born to an illegal or temporary visa holder
why are you retards repeating this nonsense?
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:09:56 PM No.509154969
Paying your bills is racist
Paying your bills is racist
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>>509152074
>Plyler v. Doe
WTF????
Well fuck the National Debt then.
Because if you read the highlighted, having a balanced budget or paying your debts / bills means nothing.

SO?
If the state does not need to meet the criteria of having a sound budget, then I guess you don't have to pay taxes either.
Or worry about bills.
Or Child support for that matter.
You know because it would cause my wallet harm, and that is not in the states BEST interest to cause me harm to my wallet.

FFS..
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Anonymous ID: 8YHUBx3zUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:12:39 PM No.509155227
>>509154969
when the fuck have republicans ever cared about the debt?
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Anonymous ID: 3I4c9GToCanada
6/30/2025, 10:13:26 PM No.509155286
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>>509146894 (OP)
>MOST IMPORTANT POLITICAL DEBATE IN 170+ YEARS

nothing is going on in the US right now
an international cartel has a death lock on the place
there is no plan for any sustainable or effective action
and the whole thing is in a spiral down the drain
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:21:36 PM No.509155934
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>>509152241
>they can deported.
Correct.
The Feds can deport anyone they want.
The ruling just said the STATES can't do it.
So the power is still on the Federal level.

Reading the ruling :
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/457/202/
The Supreme court of the time just stated that it could not do so in order to support the FINANCIAL INTEREST of the state saying it was not a net positive to deny them public education on the grounds of having no money to pay for it.

What's fucked is that how are they able wrangle this under some equal protection clause AND say even though the state does not have the MONEY to educate these kids, they still have to do it for a net positive.

If you read into it, they just skipped over the issue without addressing the issue if that makes sense.

So yes, the Feds can deport them.
But the state still has to offer them education because it is a primary good.
Okay, GOOD for THEM.
But then what about OUR CHILDREN?
And why do WE have to pay for THEIR CHILDREN? (ใ†† _ ใ††)

How can the court rule on people who don't have any jurisdiction to, if you have to be an American Citizen in order to have any say about protections afforded to that persons ?

By that very same measure, they have more privileges than citizens do as they don't even need to follow US laws.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:29:18 PM No.509156517
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>>509155227
>when the fuck have republicans ever cared about the debt?
True.
They only thing they conserve is Israel.
Holy fuck, I never really knew just how fucked we are while living here.
No wonder so many expats go elsewhere the second they can.

Doing that myself hopefully soon.
The longer I stay here, the more bullshit they take from me, and give it to everyone else who never put any skin in the game.

America has to be the only place where if you are not a citizen, you have more rights.
It's like the only place in the world like that it seems.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:38:27 PM No.509157300
U R going to war
U R going to war
md5: 236cb7809bf3ca54f9922e1a3b8729a7๐Ÿ”
So I guess a bright side is that they have to register for selective service / Draft.
But are they?
I think this should have been pushed out in the open.
In fact, if you fuckers want them out, then start getting the Military there and have them register for the draft.

This would cause a LOT of Kvetching from both sides.
Weird how this one thing just throws out all other amendments & protections.
Anonymous ID: BGTkaEAIUnited States
6/30/2025, 10:57:09 PM No.509158777
Legally speaking there is no doubt that natural born citizenship was as OP is saying. It's completely disingenuous and jewish to say otherwise. It's not a matter of stupidity it's a matter of them simply lying.
Anonymous ID: DGyZhZq2United States
6/30/2025, 11:01:01 PM No.509159086
>>509147047
>7 posts
>>509147252
>14 posts
Silly beaners.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:02:34 PM No.509159211
Nailed it
Nailed it
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Remember this when they ask you "Why don't men want to do anything anymore in America? "

This thread and its support of people who have no skin in the game Vs. You and your family that have built this place now having to pay for them for a lifetime just makes it crystal clear what a joke the USA and its system of government is now.
Anonymous ID: DGyZhZq2United States
6/30/2025, 11:02:52 PM No.509159233
>>509150855
What this does is keeps spics and pajeets out of red states effectively. Fuck blue states, they're gone.
Anonymous ID: C8xtiFvWUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:14:42 PM No.509160111
JewsMassImigration
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Remember what you are paying 4.
Anonymous ID: /dbWzs5TUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:18:21 PM No.509160380
>>509147538
>Americans need immigrants, who will run everything!!
>more and more infrastructure was built to support the 100 million illegals
>get rid of them and you donโ€™t need everything built because they are here
Youโ€™re brown and youโ€™re leaving
Anonymous ID: i5Dgg1NfCanada
6/30/2025, 11:19:19 PM No.509160449
>>509150149
The child's citizenship is not excluded if the mother is a lawful permanent resident, regardless of the father's status. By that logic, American women can also bring in foreigners to impregnate them and give them citizenship.

The real way to get women to do what you want is just make them. Trying to incentivize them is for male feminists who think women will respond to incentives the same way men do.
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Anonymous ID: /dbWzs5TUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:20:43 PM No.509160553
>>509146939
>100 million hostile people in our country
Is this the kikesโ€™ gog vs magog delusional bullshit?
Anonymous ID: BGTkaEAIUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:42:44 PM No.509162255
>>509160449
the only reason foreigners should get citizenship is if they produce offspring with locals.
Anonymous ID: veF3bvhbUnited States
6/30/2025, 11:53:37 PM No.509163060
>>509151229
>demokikes
Why are you throwing shade at Democrats like Trump doesn't personally shine Netanyahu's penis? If anything, Democrats are leaning away from all of the zionist bullshit while you guys are digging your heels in. Jesus christ, you fags are so brainwashed.
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
7/1/2025, 12:23:23 AM No.509165206
bump
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Anonymous ID: BGTkaEAIUnited States
7/1/2025, 12:26:49 AM No.509165460
>>509165206
What is the timeline on the States that are opposing this policy?
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Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
7/1/2025, 12:30:38 AM No.509165737
>>509165460
22 states are opposing the policy those cases will be ruled upon in October of 2025 so Massachusetts for example will NOT be enforcing Trumps Executive Order until a ruling by SCOTUS in October.

Those cases have already been appealed and the national injunctions already struck down by SCOTUS on June 27th so they can only place injunctions on a district or state level and not a national level.

There is 26 days until the Executive Order begins being enforced in 28 states, this is because SCOTUS placed a 29 day "interim period" from when the EO can take effect, also SCOTUS just went on vacation for the next 87 days.
Anonymous ID: 27N6Bbm7United States
7/1/2025, 12:54:53 AM No.509167515
The opposition knows that the facts and the constitution support my arguments this is why they DO NOT wish for the Trump Administration to present these arguments in front of SCOTUS because they KNOW they WILL LOSE.
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Anonymous ID: BGTkaEAIUnited States
7/1/2025, 1:00:17 AM No.509167887
>>509167515
The facts are obviously on the side of ending this birth right horse shit, but we live in a time when such things are of dubious certainty.