I just want to be able to play singleplayer without needing an Internet connection, and I want to be able to host dedicated servers for multiplayer games. It's not hard to accomplish, they pulled it off ten years ago.
>Petition https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
>Explanatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

>>509153378 (OP)
Careful the mod is going to try and astroturf Jason again

>>509153378 (OP)
>nearly 700k
Faggots and jannies in shambles.
Watch this thread getting deleted/bumplocked soon.

>>509153380
Europeans are asleep. No doubt it’ll break 700,000 before they wake

>>509153381
>Europeans are asleep
It's nine in the evening here.

>>509153378 (OP)
Don't buy always online games then. Problem solved.

>>509153378 (OP)
>NOOOO STOP BEING SO UNREASONABLE TO THE POOR DEVS

We have officially reached more signatures today than yesterday, and we've still got 2 hours.
It ain't slowing down boys.

>we beat yesterday's number
We're so fucking back

>>509153378 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRUgM-RGeA

>>509153383
What if we change the law and buy online games that will be playable forever even if support from the developer will eventually stop.
I know, crazy right?

>10 minutes in already CP posted
kek

>>509153389
Corpocucks are getting desperate

>anti-SKG pedo derailing the thread again

>>509153385
The movement got some extra exposure due to articles from heise.de and digitec.ch
Hope it keeps that momentum for a while.

Another plane has hit the ferret cock

>>509153387
>act man covering the topic
Hell yeah.

Israel realy hates this movement huh

>fifteen minutes in
>gore and cp spam
Someone is very, very salty.
It's gonna get a million of signatures, you subhuman fag.

I’m sure you guys know way more than I do about when games started to get fucked up by dumb shit but in my mind it started with SPORE for pc requiring an online connection to authenticate your game before you could install and play it OFFLINE on your PC by yourself with the copy you fucking BOUGHT. I threw out my old spore discs a while ago when I found out I can’t reinstall them or even attempt too because the original servers to authenticate the game are just fucking gone.

Fuck EA they fuck everything up just like the starwars battlefront games

Um yikes. This thread is clearly off topic. Do the mods know that this thread is still up?

Why do these threads make some autistic so mad?

>>509153378 (OP)
You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?

>>509153389
Jakkies at it again

>Last thread moved to /pol/
>it turns out that all of the people shilling this EU movement are American (and probably underage)
The sad thing is that this is not surprising at all.

>>509153399
/v/ is full of "stop making threads about shit i don't care about" autists now since it's so easy to evade

>>509153382
exactly, bed time

>>509153400
>don't sign saar, i repeat, don't sign saar!

piece of shit mod

kek, sup /pol/, oy vey, make sure to give us your Initiative vote.

>burgertrannyjannies wake up
>suddenly threads get removed from /v/
hmmmmmmm

>>509153400
I'll bite: how could this possibly have any negative consequences?

Mods are really having a melty over /v/ succeeding, huh?

>moved to /pol/

really jannies?
anyways 68%

just a reminder:
for whole weekend there was literally no detractors or cp spammers
somehow monday and we have organized force that tries to derail, force bullshit that none said and get threads pruned/deleted. Just when suits could go back to offices to organize and make a "stance" on this
imagine implying browness to EU iniciative that's pro-consumer. Something brownoids are averse to since they love getting exloited by big corp they worship and then swarm
report spammers, jannies job is to clean the spammers, not kill off threads and hot topics because of it. Imagine if someone did that to nintendo drones threads and then team deletes all nintendro threads

considering the wieght of this topic and how it affects the games and how big the possible scope is, these threads should stay until 1mln signs are in, or you should not call yourself a gamer, but a fucking consumer like big corp likes to call you

also
>thread related to gaming culture and games overall
>hmm let's move it to /pol/
seems like corporate orders finally came after weekend

>>509153469
before that the thread got spammed with cp also, I assume by the corpo shill jannie

>>>/v/
video game threads belong on /v/

I'll go even further and say that the retard spamming gay porn, cp and gore, is from some third worlder being paid to get these threads off the public eye.

>jews start spamming cp
>thread gets moved to /pol/
What did jannies mean by this?

>moved to /pol/
JANNIE ARE YOU OKAY
ARE YOU OKAY JANNIE

Xe does it again...

>thor starts posting cp
>thread gets moved to /pol/

>>509153655
That your mother's a whore?

Thank you based mod. /v/ supports liberty over tyranny.

I fully trust the corporations have my interest, and trust that the free market will solve this.

Fucking jannies

Glad to see that the lads supporting this cause are EU member flags, godspeed lads, that tranny mod and subhuman of a third world poster are not going to deter this initiative from reaching its goal.

IT IS AFRAID

>moves thread to the corpo cocksucker board
really?

>>509153723
That is true but I don't think it's what the janny was going for

>>509153642
Yes, I have seen this behavior before in other threads, it's either some extremely dedicated mentally ill autist or organized by a group, for whatever reason

>got redirected to the /v/ archive
wow thor is pissed, don't look at that

also lol the b4k admin programmed it so moving threads to /pol/ renames the mod to "Tranny Janny"

>>509153642
It’s a janitor. Somebody already blew the whistle on it.

>>509153378 (OP)
>they pulled it off ten years ago.
this was standard 25 years ago

making a new /v/ thread gotta wait out the timer

>>509153471
literally none
only nice thing EU does is shit on corpos trying to squeeze even more money from people
EU forced regualtions so shit food cannot be sold
then they forced alw about smartphone charges and despite psoturing apple folded so ahrd that you can buy usb-c charger even in US for iphone
then again, EU forced the right to repair, so no longer yuo need to go to local producer point and pay extreme prices for some single repairs like changing you fucking glass
now consider that big gaming corpos go full in into making games a lvie service to constantly farm moeny through battlepasses, dlc and other microcontent, and then they can just shut game down when they consider it unprofitable enough
the pretending 'devs' tells you how hard, difficult or costly changing game into singleplayer offline is, despite them having literal offline dev builds or protected internal builds of even mmo games that work offline, despite live ones using various microsystems and services
those corpos grown from singpleyar games and other games showing a lot of their internal tech, and they not only survived, but expanded. Now the same corpos tells you that this will kill all games because of mmmuh secret server strat

>>509153931
>also lol the b4k admin programmed it so moving threads to /pol/ renames the mod to "Tranny Janny"
lmao

>>509154032
>renames the mod to "Tranny Janny"
I kneel

>>509153471
The only people to benefit from this initiative failing are kike publishers

I WILL spam the same bait post in every SKG thread. I WILL get a dozen replies every time. You can't stop me.

>>509154177
Whatever drives up threads engagement, godspeed.

>>509154177
but why?

>>509153953
Why does he do it, is he offended that people dare make non-jannie sanctioned threads on HIS board, is he paid to do so, no I know, this particular jannie is some degenerate furry and is offended people hate on his favorite ferret fucker.

>>509153400
Damn that's crazy.
Guess companies should have stopped killing games on their own then! Oh well, too late now.

68% achieved

>>509153378 (OP)
That's not very kosher, goy

>>509154289
The funny thing is, this morning when americans were still asleep, someone was also posting CP, but those posts where just deleted, but the thread stayed up.

>>>/v/714107317

>>509154384
Almost 30k with 10k/day needed, there is a chance

I'm American; how's your petition going?

>>509154747
A lot of momentum currently, the roach helped it more than hurt it, but it can still improve. If one of the big Euro streamers like PewDiePie would make a video, it should break the million mark.

>>509154747
Pretty good, only 320k petitions left.

>>509154747
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>509153465
Burgers give our support, gas all Libertarian corpo stooges and Marxists.

>>509155213
Now without the memeflag Angel

>anon makes another thread on /v/
>it gets bumplocked immediately
JANNIE ARE YOU OKAY

>>509153378 (OP)
bump

>>509153378 (OP)
There's still more than plenty of old games that i havent played yet. Modern slop Can fucking die for All i care.

SKG demands you write them a server binary they can host locally, not that you let them connect to local servers. SKG FAQ was written by an actual retard.

>>509153587
Yall hating corporations and can’t even be honest that you’re political

>>509155304
Okay.
Not that geoflags mean anything but here you go.

>>509155422
I heard SKG demands you hand over a quarter of your monthly earnings or else they send the Pinkertons to your office.

>>509153378 (OP)
That's gone up nearly 200k in a few days. Nice.

>>714108365
New one, godspeed lads.

>>509155486
Why not just read the FAQ

>>509153378 (OP)

>i just want access to the source code because muh rights
lol fucking internet niggers

>>509155547
Why don't you?

>>509155485
Thanks for proving the point that only non-EU citizens want to sabotage the initiative.

>>509155457
yes, gaming corpos
the ones producing games in more and more predatory ways in terms of money
so pretty much games/gaming culture

>>509155594
I did, which is why I am 100% accurate

>>509154289
Paid posters and bad actors are a big thing on here and have been for years.

>>509155584
>amerimutt on charge of reading comprehension
dunno, i'm ESL, I should be the one havng trouble reading literal first paragraph of the initaitive

>>509155584
This but unironically. If you can't maintain your servers indefinitely, you don't own your code.

>>509155622
But I want the initiative to succeed

>>509153471

>how could forcing corporations to give their source code away have any negative consequences?

you need to be at least 13 to post here, kiddo.

>>509155696
>>509155674

>>509155584
Have a (you)

>anon makes another thread
>it gets bumplocked in the first minute
Yes, very organic janny, very organic indeed.

>>509155835

>>509155722
huh, I must have horrible reading comprehension then, because I read marxists in >>509155213 and burgers keep calling this initiative shit for being commie

>>509155835
also
it gets bumplocked jsut the same moment when gore/cp spammer comes in

>>509155696

>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

>require publishers ... to leave videogames in a functional (playable) state.

You sure are ESL. See, how it works is, companies have money. If they don't have money to maintain a game, they cannot maintain it. The only way to maintain a game in a "functional (playable)" state is to let someone else do it. That would involve handing them the source code.

Get someone to read the above to you, then repeat after me...

A

B

C

D...

>>509156065
>The only way to maintain a game in a "functional (playable)" state is to let someone else do it. That would involve handing them the source code.
>That would involve handing them the source code.
No it wouldn't. Fucking retard.

So how do you get the italians and greeks to contribute?

>>509155927
Yeah, I know.
Only delusional retards are still Libertarians in this day and age. "Playing fair" or expecting the market to correct or people to make good decisions is simply not an option when so many people are bad actors or work explicitly to turn rules against the things they were supposed to protect.
Marxists were always delusional as well, any ideology that puts economic theory and wild extremes over actual practical solutions to problems is flawed by nature.

>>509156160

>i have no argument: the country

next

>>509156173
>italians
Tell them it will affect FIFA

>greeks
Fuck if I know

>>509156065
amerimutt, at least learn your own language, it's pitful
your concerns are answered directly in the initiative, i won't read it for you, sicne as a native speaker you shoudlbe able to do it faster than me trying to implant some knowledge into your fried brain

>>509156267
He is right, Paco. Stop talking about things you clearly have no clue about.
>why old games work to this day and age even when the original dev studio is long dead?

>>509155927
The only people who oppose the pro-consumer rights SKG are misinformed retards or have a financial incentive for it to fail. Anyone trying to drag marxism or fascism or whatever the fuck unrelated ideology into it is a corporate shill, possibly also a furry and an egomaniac

>>509156245
Agree, if it wasn't for several consumer protection laws passed by the EU, we would live in a more dystopian society than we already do, sorry about misunderstanding your post man.

>>509156293
FIFA fags are the trained seals that would just buy the new version every year, the opposite of a person who cares about game preservation.

>>509156267
also
d2 and d2 remastered even, is playable offline
can you pinpoint the source code leaked in this game? just an single example
and before you start with MMO's (that's also answered in the initiative) even now you have a literal single player emulators of world of warcraft, complete xpacs with even bots popualting your world and single .exe emualting your server
can you show where wow source code leaked there?

>>509153400
Glowcopers get the long knife.

>>509156375
>or have a financial incentive for it to fail
You know, like, anyone with a job.

If I make my game server on non-x86 boards in a cluster that talk to each other not using TCP/IP then SKG says I have to make them an emulator and give them functional server code for said emulator, otherwise you are "harming people"

>>509156267
>>509156374
>what are private servers
>what is releasing a patch to make online only singleplayer games not require a connection to a defunct server
>what is releasing dev tools to allow those interested to keep the game alive
None of these things require the release of the source code

>>509153378 (OP)
>thread about video games moved from /v/ to /pol/ while blatant political ragebait threads stay up until bump limit
jannies are seriously mentally retarded

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714107317/
>bumplock this thread
>then delete it out of spite since people keep linkin to it, also to avoid it getting into 4ch archive page

>>509156564
The only one talking about releasing the code is (you).

>>509156065
?
I have Unreal instaled im my PC, EPIC could pull whatever plug they wanted tomorrow and I could still set up a server and play it like it's 1998

Not sure if troll or brain dead zoomer

>>509156374
>>509156641

lmao

>>509156641
Read the thread you tard
>>509156065

>>509156726
>>509156453
you are braindead, I'm sorry.

>>509156401
You have no idea how bad Libertarians are here.
They are always absent when mass importations get increased and constitutional rights are infringed, but they always come to the rescue of megacorps, druggies, or minorities. Same with Marxist retards.
I hate modern politics so much, both Marxists and Capitalists are silent on issues that actually matter but then roadblock any solutions to anything that is actually important or sneak in addendums and bullshit to further their own ideology instead of actually wanting to solve issues. They think that their theoretical ideologies will solve issues instead of realizing that a society can't function on pure economic theory.
Fascists are the only ones with any vision for the future at all that isn't just pursuing some economic model.

>>509156850
I linked you a post that said you'd need to release the source code dude. I don't know what to tell you except that you're retarded. Keep bumping the thread faggot

what happens if this initiative becomes law

>Consumers
no more games are rendered unplayable. so you can play the likes of Darkspore long after the servers are shut down. you don't get to own your games though. it'll still be a license.

>Corporations
now they have to develop dedicated server capabilities for all future games they want to sell in the EU. this will cost them and they will doubtless use that to justify price increases, maybe even punitive EU-specific ones.

>the EU
now they're involved in game development, and can use their new position as a platform for further regulation or censorship

as someone who doesn't care much for live service games, I'd rather not increase the EU's power for no benefits and maybe drawbacks to myself.

>>509155366

>>509156995
>keep ignoring the counterpoint
>btfo's his own point
It's gonna get the million soon, Paco.

>>509156995
I'm still waiting for the proof of how mentioned or even other games leak source code or provide it to toher to function
even now I can play dungeon keeper 1+2, where's the source code?

>>509157207
>now they have to develop dedicated server capabilities for all future games they want to sell in the EU
No they don't.
They could include a single player mode or just include a right/means to repair.
>this will cost them and they will doubtless use that to justify price increases
This is true but they are already doing this anyway

>>509157276
>meanwhile >>509156557 will never be addressed because the answer is a full concession and apology to me

so
either brownoids got so mad, for no reason at all that they started spamming child port in the thread to disrupt the initiative
or big corporations paid people to spam child porn in those threads to get them closed to disrupt the initiative
and faggot moderators are working in tandem with them
either way its fucking wild

>>509157276
Check the fucking ID you retard I'm agreeing with you

>>509157207
if you license it forever you basically do own it

complete lie

eu forced devs to fuck off with lootboxes, does that mean they're involved in game development? seriously?

kill yourself janny tranny

>>509157363
Holy shit come on. I'm not the same burger as the guy you were arguing wjth about the source code thing, in fact, I agreed with you about it not needing to be released.

>The Tranny janny moved another thread

>>509156557
>muh super sikret kode
you are not as important as you think you are, either make it while keeping EOS in mind or get fucked retard
>boohoo i can't sell product that I can at any time arbitrarily take away

>>509157207
>now they have to develop dedicated server capabilities for all future games they want to sell in the EU. this will cost them
They have to invent new software for something they already use? The only reason Star Wars Galaxies still exists is because former employees leaked what was readily available since the start, and communities are still maintaining and improving the servers after a decade.

>>509157609
I'm aware, sorry for my wording, i was just referencing how I'm still waiting for reply from that other burger
I can see the diffirent IDs

Congratulations janny you just radicalized like 30 people by sending them here.

>>509157694
It's just the misrepresenting what Ross actually wants. They know they have no logical leg to stand on and just lie and make shit up like pirate software in his video.
I swear it's been this way the whole last week whenever there was a thread on /v/, the same lies, the same counters and the same bullshit spam afterwards.

>>509153400
this has already been addressed repeatedly

>>509153378 (OP)
The single player request is reasonable, but the multiplayer one is not. Especially for MMOs

>>509157679
You are free to connect to any other IP address and socket. How is me not hosting dedicated servers arbitrarily taking away something from you?
>either make it-
Shut your fucking nigger mouth you are not dictating how I architect a state of the art game server. The fact you are here proves you already concede.

>>509156557
if you can provably replicate a server with your shitty setup, you shouldn't have a problem. other people will just make workarounds for your ass setup, provided they have what you claim is used to maintain it.

>>509153378 (OP)

is this eurocucklandia's attempt at re-asserting masculinity? Because it is horribly pathetic if it is.

>>509157915
its not about mmos whatsoever. please pay attention

>>509157728
He's just going to leave or he'll post more time wasting bullshit because he doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's like he's not aware that most multiplayer games in the early days had no central servers and you had to host your own, and he's acting like you need the source code to run a server

So much for the "Last Bastion of Free Speech"

>>509157959
You are connecting to a game server. Reproducing server side communication is obviously your job. Giving you the "how" I did the backed game server is not any different than forcing me to give you internal documents like source code or HLD.

>>509157440
It's just typical glowie bullshit. There's money involved so they shill in favor of the corporations who don't want their money printer getting regulated. Same thing with lootboxes being considered gambling

>>509158248
you clearly don't know what serverside is and what source code is
the only valid point would be that srver have so much addiitonal microservices tangled into that it takes time to prune what we don't need for offline play and which services gonna break the game if they're not here
also, you retarded nigger, majority of always-online games, like diablo 3, are literal remote discs aka servers that game needs to connect to get giles that are not on your HDD
like, you client have all textures, but only serverside "folder" have engine for making dungeon out of it and populating it with monsters
>mmuh source code
you can speak about it if you google what is it and why you basically never need it for that type of work you colossal retard. IN extreme msot of cases if server emualtion is needed, all you need is server binaries and a lot of abondomware games like C&C commando have it without ever getting source code, faggot. Or SW galaxies, or variosu iterations of Lienage 2 servers

I used to host v0.54 Ace of Spades servers for /v/ back in the day, still have the template, did not need any source code for that...

>>509158685
>>509157959
Should it be illegal to have a game server on an ASIC and not provide you the schematics?
Obviously your response is going to be "I shouldn't or else I am harming people" because you're gay

>>509158685
>majority of always-online games, like diablo 3, are literal remote discs
Not my problem, reduce the scope of SKG then. If you ask for A and also B and I say B is wrong, you cannot simply run for the hills back to point A and think you are correct.

>>509158718
>can't answer single argument
>resort to insults
like, you didn't even try to pretend you're retarded at this point
So I'll ask again. Even now i can host Diablo2 server. hell, there was various private battlenet servers for starcraft, for esports leagueand european netcraft. You have heavily modded diablo 2 servers like emdian, project diablo and apth of diablo with capabiltiies far exceeding old d2 battlenet
I'm gonna ask again, how these people did it without source code? But yeach you don't even know what source code is, arguing in abth faith thinking you gonna own someone with le edgy 13yo reply
>>509158844
no, what scope? read both what source code is, and what this initiative stands for, it's in first paragraph. I'm ESL, it shouldn't be me telling you to fucking read comprehension

>>509158248
>>509158718
Don't know why you replied to me twice with this dumb hypothetical after I already explained it: you're off the hook once you provide the tools. It's not your job to teach people how to use them.

I've been killing game companies since you were in itch and your daddy's pants boy

>>509159260
SKG FAQ does not say that so you just saying whatever you want. They expect you to have something you can run yourself. How are you doing that without the hardware schematic to my ASIC?

>>509159165
>I'm gonna ask again, how these people did it without source code?
You're going to ask the wrong person again and pretend like you previously asked me this question? Sure I'll answer it. Their game server design is a socket on a port with serialized JSON representing a "game protocol" all existing inside of TCP/IP. I asked about an ASIC.

>>509159734
>I AM SILLY
Also, not my problem

>>509159734
>>I'm gonna ask again, how these people did it without source code?
no, answer my question, not a strawman you conjured in your head and answered
how the previously mentioned people in let's say, diablo 2, did all thatprivate/offlien things WITHOUT source code
I can keep dropping references and examples, but you wont; answer subhuman brownoid because you're here to argue in bad faith anyway. If you need a source code to localize or host a localhsot server, then I'm sorry for whatever company that's providing you with tech job. SIngle LAN structure just loudly laugh at you

>>509159979
I did answer it.
>strawman I conjured in my head
You are drafting a rule that is to apply to everyone in all circumstances. Why would the mere existence of someone doing something in a different pattern mean you must also repeat them?

>>509160194
I'm still sorry for whatever person you gonna ask for source code to launch your dev build in company that hired you

>>509160343
No one can read this, try again

>>509160383
Shut the fuck up retard please

>>509160383
>>509160454
now kiss

>>509160454
Nice phone >>509160343

>>509160383
holy shit you are retarded lmao

>>509153388
>right?
No, the other anon has the right idea, as long as you keep buying games that rely on anything online you will be part of the problem.

So in conclusion: Should it be illegal to have a game server on an ASIC and not provide you the schematics?
>Well other people did it without sharing source code
>You shouldn't do it that way because I don't like it
>This is a strawman!
Nice

>>509160919
explain why these points are wrong

>>509160919
Let's try to actulally answer this.
To start with, the fuck is an ASIC ?
From what I found, it's an app+chipset made to work together.

>>509153378 (OP)
Sign the petition under a fake name with a free VPN if you're not from the EU

>>509161912
I'll tell you since I don't wana give that faggot attention
you're asking someone how can you run let's say, diablo 4 offline, since it's a live service game with always online
his reply is basically
>I cannot tell you because i need source code to build real life replica of a bolter from wh40k and that's impossible
meanwhile, basic dev build used by devs, QA and version control is literal offline build, aka game with server binaries and deactivated parts of microservices unless you want to test out those microservices, like logon queue. In short, at easiest point they simply need to integrate server binaries into standalone client. At worst they need to gut off microservices often outsourced from other companies and make it work without those microservices aka telemetrics for example. This woudl require some work, but nowhere near how much retards try to tell you and they're still nowhere near leaking a source code. And that fag continiously evades answering how the hell making a offline model requires a source code
Its like a car reference when you want to simply fit your air conditioenr by yourself since you have some mechanical skill and faggot tells you no because it will require him to give you complete, 25k pages long blueprint of an entire car

>>509161574
Sure
>ASICs are hardware, there is no source code to share or not shar. Firmware to controllers at best but that means nothing to anyone, have it.
>I don't care if someone doesn't like how I design the backend for an MMO
>I am asking a question which is entirely possible. ASICs exist, there is no strawman

>>509162550
You were having a dialog with someone else on source code and then imaginary supplanted half of that argument you had with him as me. Also still didn't answer the question of the ASIC. You claimed I didn't answer yours but its here >>509159734

>>509162550
Oh don't worry, i already signed the petition and I understand what it implies, I'm just trying to argue in good faith, if not for him, than for ohter that might pass through.
And the answer to his question is probably : YES it's illegal
>>509162855
Can you answer me please ?
I need to know if you can emulate that ? And if you can, can you create a binaries to obfuscate it ?

>>509162361
Isn't that a bad idea, since they check the votes and throw out the invalid ones? Imagine if the goal is reached, everyone celebrates and stops signing, then like half the votes are just invalidated.

>>509162980
Emulating an ASIC is perfectly possible. But you would require schematics and lots of documentation. From there is the actual problem, who is building the emulator? According to SKG it is the original developer. This responsibility obviously belongs to the community to reproduce all server side communications. If you want an example, just look at RSPS which using the cache alone they rebuilt entire game servers, reversed protocols, etc.

>>509163213
Forgot to answer the second piece
>And if you can, can you create a binaries to obfuscate it ?
You can pack anything as a binary and obfuscate. You could indeed once you had an emulator built.

over 32k signatures today

If the SKG faggots don't think my ASIC question was hard enough. Just wait: A game server on an analog computer.

>>509163213
>>509163786
From the initiative :
>>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
That will depend on the law itself, but it could be argued that giving away the schematics (I'm assuming the doc is public or provided by the emulator) is enough. After all, you gave "the means to continue functioning without the dev"
In the last video, he also talked about selling server right to other who will host.
But If it's not enough the last question is :
Did you start the dev of your game before or after the law passed ?
If yes, your game is grandfathered in and you don't need to do jack.
If no, then why the fuck did you do use an ASIC or an analog computer ?

why shouldn't this thread be on /v/? oh right, /v/ is a glorified booru for failed artists to shill their smut

>>509164656
also, the jannies keep moving the thread here

>>509164064
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers
This is their bait and switch and why I am shilling against this so hard. They start with statements like this which probably are acceptable as a scope. Then they carry on to say massive multplayer game developers need to take the "challenging goal to transition" their product at the end of life. The good faith form of this is to say, don't prevent the client from connecting to your customer game server emulator. This is not want they want clearly by the FAQ though, and my issue with them.
>then why the fuck did you do use an ASIC or an analog computer?
Because an ASIC would be better than anything else on the planet for the task?

>>509165091
And again its just repeating
>You shouldn't do it that way because I don't like it

>>509165091
>>Because an ASIC would be better than anything else on the planet for the task?
Well it's obviously not better for EoL planning.
>>Then they carry on to say massive multplayer game developers need to take the "challenging goal to transition" their product at the end of life
where ? the initiative doesn' have these words.
And in the FAQ, they say :
>> If a company has designed a game with no thought given towards the possibility of letting users run the game without their support, then yes, this can be a challenging goal to transition to
the transition is only challenging if not thought of before, and since video games made before the law aren't subject to it, there will be no choice to think about it when making the game
>>This is not want they want clearly by the FAQ though, and my issue with them.
What do you think they want that causes problem for you ?
The release of server binaries ?

>>509165161
Yes,i don't like it when games are made in a way that block me from playing them even when I bought them legitimately

>>509166199
>Well it's obviously not better for EoL planning.
You mean when I stop selling my product? I could give you unlimited access to the ASIC at that point. You still need to do the daunting amount of work of writing the emulator, not me.
>the transition is only challenging if not thought of before
The premise is wrong. I have full forethought. Its an ASIC. You lack the basic comprehension here to get this point clearly.
>What do you think they want that causes problem for you ?
The thing I have been talking about this entire time. They want you to write them an emulator for an ASIC or otherwise "you shouldn't do it that way" response
>i don't like it when games are made in a way that block me from playing them even when I bought them legitimately
Blocking you from playing them is patching the client from working as normal. Turning off my game server is not blocking you if I let the client connect to any other server you want in the world.

>>509166199
Also funny, somehow you found the words it doesn't have kek when specifically talking to "online-only multiplayer games"

>>509166898
>>Turning off my game server is not blocking you if I let the client connect to any other server you want in the world
As long as you give people the mean to host their own server. Wich the Initiative would force
Technically, you don't need to give the ASIC, you just have to make a server that they can run (and because you know you need to do it, you can prepare it before).
In fact, you don't even need to give an emulator, you just need to give the schematics (which you don't have problem with) and let the consumer buy some
>>509167330
The initiative still doesn't have them, and the FAQ doesn't use NEED

The obvious solution is still don't use ASIC.
It's also easier and better to buy third-party licence for some part of your server, but with the law in place, you can't unless the third-party allow for server release at EoL

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> This thread was moved to >>> /pol/509153378 because it hurts my fragile tranny feelings, I'm gonna go dilate now
>>>/v/714106388
tf is going on

>>509163012
They can't verify all 1 million of them

>>509167850
>don't use thing I don't like
I accept your concession

>>509160604
The problem is there will always be fools that buy the game, and then when it shuts down from boycott they get fucked. Deserved maybe, but making it standard practice for companies to cough up server code when they fuck off is a good thing. Because no one bothered to boycott always online shit, DRM, loot boxes, and other shite. Better to just outlaw anti-consumer practices and be done with it. Too many NPCs for Jews to trick to stop them, better to just make anti-Jew laws.

>>509169019
I'll say that the law will give you a choice, work with ASIC but have to make an emulator, or work with more mainstream system.
I accept that, you don't.
Our arguing doesn't really matter because we disagree on one of the fundamental of the initiative.
At least it's not another :
>>I'm a dumbass who can't read
Good night

>>509162550
Eh, I'm fine making corpo fags cough up server source code if they make a live service game and fuck off. Punishment for being a little shit and not sticking to their product. No work required, just send that code package right to the buyers via Steam or whatever and let them do what they will with it. And if you care about that source code so fucking much, make the server applet then fuck off.

>>509169485
>ASIC but have to make an emulator
This is why you're gay and I would just make a ToS and force you to agree or not be able to purchase my product

>>509170236
Too bad ToS aren't legally binding
Also, skill issue if you can't make the emulator

>be gamedev
>eu bureaucrats force me to release server binaries for my online game when it's no longer profitable to run servers
>release server binaries
>full of bugs
>eventually hackers find exploit that allow getting root access on the host
>bugs never getting fixed
>thank you eu bureaucrats

>700k today
get hyped

>>509153378 (OP)
most of these games are shit anyway. what do you want to play, starfield?

>>509153378 (OP)
Americans are working hard to stop this petition, the are too jewish to actually own something.

>>509153378 (OP)
How the fuck can you "kill" a game? I am an oldfag and haven't visited /v/ since zoomers killed it with their shit taste in games. I stopped playing modern video games in 2012 because by that year the quality degradation was so fucking bad I was utterly disgusted at the industry. Zoomers still playing this shit make no sense to me. I guess if you didn't grow up with the sheer quality of the golden age of gaming (1996-2006), you just have no frame of references for what is a good game and what is a bad game.

Zoomies don't even know they have been playing shit games their entire life. Can you imagine what life would be life if you have literally never played a single good video game, but only pure shit ones?

>>509168530
Iedereen heeft een nummer naast hun naam staan. Ze kunnen automatisch 1miljoen gebruikers verifieren, door simpelweg de naam in te voeren, het nummer te vinden en dan zien ze ook war hij of zij woont. Nep registraties werken niet. Dox werkt wel, maar dan moet je ook toegang tot hun emails hebben of hun telefoon nummer. De dox moeten daarnaast ook nu gelden. Bots zijn te risicovol en saboteert het eerder waarschijnlijk. Niet doen dus.

>>509173466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70Xc9CStoE

>>509153400
Hi Jason!

signed,
benis benin junior of annekoski, finlandia

>>509155457
> y'all
> memeflag
back to plebbit, troon

>>509153396
What strawman have you constructed in your head that's against this?

>>509170327
Obviously I would not be selling to the EU, they are not autonomous humans

>>509175039
Take the SKG nonsense for example. Good luck with that faggots. Hahahaha

>>509174355
So it's just for multiplayer cancer on modern trash consoles, and not applicable to real games. Don't care. As I told people back in 2012, stop buying new games and let the industry die already.

>>509173466
me too

you will never beat the allegations

>>509173466
>I stopped playing modern video games in 2012
hope you're having fun with your illegal aoe1 copy in your basement