Thread 509154585

ELON IS CRASHING OUT AGAIN

>FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS
Wait is this true

>>509154585 (OP)
491 more days to go. The more fuck ups the G0P does, the more the democrats will win more.

>>509154585 (OP)
As usual, Elon pretends he's upset about X, when really he's upset about Y. This only works once or twice until people catch on.

>>509154585 (OP)
he is right about one thing

>>509154585 (OP)
Hahah so wacky and funny uncle elon

>>509154585 (OP)
>if its the last thing I do

awesome, kill two birds with one stone.

>>509154585 (OP)
TIME FOR A NEW PARTY THAT ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THE TIKKUN OLAM RACEMIXING AGENDA TO GRADUALLY DESTROY ALL DIVERSITY.

>>509154633
Probably, but all the bills do that. And we can't MAGA without big spending.

>>509154585 (OP)
Then why doesn't this faggot make his own party? He has the money

>>509154721
>implying globohomo jew dems will do anything differently

Trump won because all the jew dems do is exactly the same as the neocons but with gays and shitskins as the focus

>>509154585 (OP)

no good deed, fren...

Yawn don’t care. You can make 10 new parties but the sheep only care about the ones their favorite tv channel and celebrities talk about. It’s not a party problem, it’s a stupid low iq faggot goy problem. This board should go too, the dumbest of fucking sheep are here.

ya, sorry, never taking this guy seriously again. ever.

>>509154585 (OP)
can trump just hurry up and deport jeetlon already?

>>509154633
They're saying the benefit of this spending is that it will AXSHUALLY DECREASE THE DEBT!! but later on...years from now...

>>509154585 (OP)
>Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people
Put up or shut up, fag

>>509154585 (OP)

TRAITOR!

>>509154945
I rather go with lesser evil.
If you hate the jews that badly, then do something. If not, shut the fuck up and swallow the lesser poison. Fucktool.

>>509154874
Five trillion dollars is more than the 2020 CARES act, 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and 2021 American Rescue Plan *combined*

>>509154585 (OP)
>they took away my seat at the trough! I'm going to pretend to care about the country's finances now and cry about it now on my big boy social media network!
what a fucking bitch

>>509154585 (OP)
>a new political party
Which will also be controlled by jews

so is he going to bark alll day like a little doggy or is he going to bite.

either start a third party or shut up

>>509154585 (OP)
Elon is just too autistic. I genuinely believe he wants to help, he really just wants to do smart white man things to improve america and is coming face to face with the reality that, against all reason and logic, everything is broken on purpose.

>>509154585 (OP)
who gives a fuck he's a dumb ugly retard

>>509154874
>we can't MAGA without big spending
MIGA you subhuman faggot. Both you kikes and sand niggers are subhumans. Musk is a kike. You're all fucking kikes.

All of you need to DIE. Hitler was clearly the last true leader of Europeans and the White race and now EVERY person in a position of power is a FUCKING KIKE.

YOU ALL NEED TO FUCKING DIE.

>>509155262
stfu retard
he's a dipshit in wolfs clothing

I mean, Israel already took everything from the middle class in USA so now its time for the last robbery and tax the elites.

>>509154585 (OP)
Why is this *** incapable of understanding that you just CAN'T do things in a democracy? Wake up Elon, you're not a dictator! Unpopular demands make you unelectable! No one wants a pro indian migration pro entitlement cutting billionaire immigrant overlord who feels entitled to tax dollars for his own reneweable energy companies.

>>509155083
I think the plan is to actually crash the dollar with no survivors. The US will neatly step over to some sort of weaponized CBDC that makes the USD look good.

I'm not sure Trump is thinking that far ahead. He knows he needs this bill passed to prevent being hijacked by Dems, and he has to pay to do it. He has also never been a 'low spending' kind of guy.

the spending these libertarian types like massie and elon complain about is border spending and military spending. like practical right wing stuff to spend money on

>>509154585 (OP)
The gibs faucet is turned off Elon.

>>509154585 (OP)
Bro doesn't give a fuck about mars anymore

>>509155262
He doesn't understand very basic game theory. If republicans do unpopular things, democrats are strengthened. What he wants to do is just not possible in a democracy where you have to constantly scheme and maneuver to not lose the voters goodwill.

Listening to him will result in democrat supercontrol of all branches.

>>509154585 (OP)
>he even types like zion don
Kek, these fags are all the exact same people just vying for power. The jews know how to choose the right goyim for the job, that's for sure.

Elon musk is right the ideology/philosophy running the USA will lead to China winning and colonizing other planets while the Steve Bannon/Maga/Anti science philosophy in the USA will lead to a militant doomsday theocracy.

Meanwhile China is putting everything into research.

>>509154633
Between 4-5T but yeah a ridiculous amount of money. More than even the dems were willing to raise the debt when Biden was pres. All for tax cuts that the rich don't even need. Elon is the richest guy in the world and he doesn't want it.

>>509155262
>he really just wants to do smart white man things to improve america
By importing infinity jeets for cheap labor

>>509154585 (OP)
Based.

>>509154721
Which is why people need to stop punching right. Fed Fuentes has been leading twitter brigades punching everyone right he can. He needs to go back to deep throating dildos like the faggot he is in his closet and fuck off.

>>509154585 (OP)
I'd vote for Autism United.
Trump is a homosex, a faggot maybe.
>>509154633
Yeah here's your party of fiscal responsibility. At least the rich are getting tax cuts.

>>509154945
yes and they want to kill all whites though. They openly admit that its their goal. Who would you rather have GOP useless fucks or competent evil DEMS trying to genocide you?

>>509154585 (OP)
Based

>>509154585 (OP)
Mega based

Instead of poors fighting we should let the elites battle it out for our pleasure. Whoever helps me the most wins.

>>509155580

This, but more. Trump is trying to restructure and re-industrialize the US, and doing it from a position of economic weakness both in the US and globally. He has to do this and remain politically popular to sustain his changes for the longer term. He cannot afford a deep recession. He needs the fiscal taps wide open. Plus having the USD weaker helps exports and hurts imports, which is overall in his favor.

The BBB is pure Trumpian logic, and it is not small (or big) govt republican. We are witnessing something for the ages.

>>509154585 (OP)
>this earth
is he implying there are multiple...true if big

>>509156032
not at all? He's trying to make the USA into a militant police state where everyone serves in the military and a theocracy. That's the end goal vision of Magas ideology.

>>509154769
he's butt hurt he's not getting any of that money because he sperg'd out too hard. Rightfully deserved. We don't need to send any more satellites in space

>>509154968
>i will go to war over h1b
>i will go to war over free gibs
dude just outted himself as a nigger

>>509154801
>>509155100
>would

>>509155816
They're both trying to genocide whites stupid

>>509156214

lol. go back to your leftypol hugbox for losers.

>>509154585 (OP)
>elon musk: every member of congress... should hang
>their head in shame
whew elon chill out

>>509154585 (OP)
>should hang their head in shame
Interesting choice of words

>drug addicted oligarch crashing out on twitter
>president of free world throwing tantrums on his own twitter
this is the most retarded era

>>509154585 (OP)
Elon will lead the new dem americans...the NDA.

>>509154585 (OP)
whew glad im not invested in tesler anymore

>>509154585 (OP)
>Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again...

>>509156361
As long as the federal reserve/irs/income tax exist America is not physically capable of re industrializing, and as long as people don't get it through their heads that those things are jewish(and that jews are a problem) they won't be gotten rid of and nothing will get done except more jewish trickery

>>509154585 (OP)
He is having both a crash out and a narcissistic meltdown at the same time, but he is right about this bill being a loser, and the Democrats will sweep the midterms.

>>509154585 (OP)
>>509154801
>le porky
Just a way to avoid naming the jew

>>509156361
the USA will win by making battery factories and putting solar everywhere. That ensures that the usa can be stable if oil is cut off like what happened in the 70s and investing in this tech will lead to other break throughs with people putting better batteries in equipment.

>>509155262
>autistic
LOL

>>509154633
is it really that big of a deal when the limit gets increased every time it is reached

>>509154633
It started as 2.4t in the House, then went to 3.3t at the senate and now with all the additions it's going to 4.8t

>>509154585 (OP)
The last thing Elon does on this Earth will he drive his companies to bankruptcy, aftee which his favorite poojeets will murder him for making them go back to India.

>>509154585 (OP)
>we need to close the deficit while also lowering taxes on me the richest guy in the world
He doesnt actually believe in anything. He only started criticizing trump when he didnt give him contracts.

Will be funny if it passes and this time next year the deficit goes down by like 8 trillion. Not saying its going to happen like that but it would be very funny.

>>509154585 (OP)
Looks like elon needs another black eye

>>509154968
I like how he tried to make a Tropic Thunder reference, but it just made him look like an asshole lol.

>>509156576
I don't think it will be solar and batteries. I think it will be nuclear fission replaced by fusion at some point. I just don't think current or projected battery tech is good enough and long lasting enough to deliver the kind of energy that we need. But you are a very wise man in recognizing that energy is super, super important.

Solar and batteries are interesting and cool. I keep designing & pricing and putting off a small install for myself.

Good deal. Elon has decided not to disappear but will indeed be putting money into primarying establishment Rs.

He’s still on Team Trump and his meltdown was likely bullshit. 12 dimensional interstellar backgammon, unironically.

>>509156032
Good point

>>509155128
Its the magic of usury. You always have to print even more money each time because the amount work each dollar can do diminishes. Every dollar spend that is spend on non productive bullshit makes it even worse. How much longer can the government pay people to dig holes and then have others fill it in again? The debt and inflation has outpaced the real economy and everything else is just an inflation sink for insiders to horde.

>>509154585 (OP)
I love how leftoids have to desperately run to every new drop out.
They gotta cling to Newsom, Charlie Kirk, fucking Ben Shapiro...now they are siding with Musk of all people just because of TDS.

>>509154585 (OP)

So much of this shit could just be ground to a halt if Elon just came out and show how he was bribed to rig the election for Trump. He'd somehow become a hero and be absolved of wrongdoing for "coming out and doing the right thing."

>>509154633
You expand the GDP by expanding credit. Thats how this strange economic system works. Now, you know what, Elon actually doesnt have a problem with this.

You know what he ACTUALLY has a problem with? His EV credits are about to get cut earlier than expected in this very same bill. That is his problem. This is why he has been so vocal against this bill.

Nothing else. Elon doesnt give a fuck about waste, because all his companies are a part of the same machine that wastes tax dollars for bullshit all over, and hes just the face on that entire operation.

Hes a retarded technocrat autist from South Africa. You legit thought he was running SpaceX, Tesla and Paypal at the same time? LOL.. Lets get real.

>>509154585 (OP)
Elon is right about this one though, what the bill does is cut taxes for the rich and increase taxes on the general public through inflation caused by printing $5 trillion. YOUR savings account is paying this tax because the currency you hold is being devalued, in order to save the top 1% billions in taxes. Every time the state prints money, especially in this magnitude, to pay for its own operation, that is money coming DIRECTLY out of your pocket via inflation.

>>509156560

I don't like the current system. I think it is possible to industrialize within it. China is able to do it with whatever passes for its currency and central bank and we were well industrialized until profit motives and shit laws made businesses motivated to shift production overseas.

>>509157231
TSLA stock is up since Trump won

>>509154585 (OP)
Debt stopped mattering when we made our currency not backed by anything.
Our current system runs on Debt.
Dumb retard. I didn't vote for lowering debt. I voted for lowering taxes and getting rid of Mexicans

>>509154585 (OP)
You guys realize he's only doing this to ensure Vance wins in 2028 right? Vance vs a socdem would very likely lose considering the shit they're are about to pull; complete fucking rugpull of the average American. They will likely need a playing field divided by annoying independent candidates to survive. Congression is a fools errand sideshow basically 100% AIPAC owned regardless of blue or red.

>>509154585 (OP)
>hates Porky the Pig
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT
YOU CAN INSULT TRUMP
YOU CAN INSULT MIGA
YOU CAN INSULT US of A
BUT IF YOU'RE INSULTING PORKY THE PIG, A CARTOON CHARACTER, NEWSFLASH PALL YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT!!!

>>509157370
Your dollar loses value when this new money enters circulation.

>>509154585 (OP)
>screams like an autist
>provides zero specifics of why he hates the bill
dont care

>>509154585 (OP)
He is right, WAY WAY more people who are registered don't even bother voting since they know both parties are full of absolute shit. Make a new party and the reps and dems can merge back into one party like they were for most of America's history, I know you stupid fucks arr ignorant to history since you only know the Walt Disney BS version but seriously, reps and dems only even differ on one or 2 teeny-tiny social issues that most people can't even be bothered to care about at all no matter how much of drama queen you retarded fuck act like. Lets do this and maybe you can own a house one day, because these other 2 clowns aren't doing jack for ya? Please grow up don't act like an Eglin Air Cupcake. C'mon.

>>509154585 (OP)
No deportations for boomer business owners hiring illegals, kek. Deportation numbers low. MIGA!

>>509154633
4 trillion for israel, one trillion for trump family

As long as the economy keeps growing the debt literally does not matter.

>>509157459
I want it to be rubio / vance or even better rubio with vance as SoS. vance needs to cook more.

>>509157684
Elon must start the NAA, NeoAutistAlliance

>>509157709
And this debt ceiling will be reached next year lmao, USA is either gonna default or hyperinflate

>>509157348
>I don't like the current system. I think it is possible to industrialize within it

Well you think wrong

>>509155462
I am still waiting to see what gold becoming a tier 1 asset again in July will do to the USD.

>>509157686
Unironically send them to El Salvador where their former MS13 employees are currently shacked up.

wtf

>>509157718
The economy is now fully addicted to endless printed money, nothing stops this train. The question is will the train eventually lead somewhere productive or continue the transition into full Weimar. Their strategy seems to be to get us off one [external] resource curse to another rather than fixing anything [internally]. But at least the good goys will get rich and everyone else will continue sliding into total nigger madness.

MIGGERS, those stupid useless hick fucks, love big beautiful debt and love the billionaire caste.

If 'their' part of the swamp is getting richer, it's almost like they are!
Hard to find a bigger cretin, than a Uniparty voter.

>>509156877
Green energy outside of hydroelectric dams and like you said nuclear will not support the amount of AI data centers they are throwing up all over the place. They are building demand much faster than they are supply. There has been a lot of fuckery concerning oil prices to keep it cheap, but the flip side is that big oil will not expand production if there is not a financial incentive to do so. They want the keep oil around 60 bucks a barrel and the oil barons want 80 in order for them to increase capacity. We are going to have energy issues in the short term and solar panels/windmills are not consistent and efficient enough.

>>509154721
After killing Roe v. Wade, there's no way Trump can beat Kamala!

>>509154585 (OP)
elon doesnt understand that we can just keep kicking the can down the road.
he is either stupid. or just pure.

>>509154585 (OP)
>Billionaire fag who routinely talks about leaving humanity behind wants a party of the people

Yeah right.

>>509154585 (OP)
Put your money where your mouth is mason boy

>>509154585 (OP)
If Elon makes a party that bans all Jewish donations, then he could quite literally save humanity. If his new party has Jewish donors, then it is DOA

Simple as

>>509154633
Yes, are you people fucking retarded? The budget bill adding trillions to the debt ceiling isn’t a fucking secret, it’s been discussed openly since day 1 of the bill kek. Crazy seeing anyone acting this is some new revelation. Republicans are just as full of shit as democrats, welcome to zog.

>>509154585 (OP)
Dude really just needs to shut the fuck up and disappear for a few months.

>>509154633
Literally every republican cuts tax revenue and massively increases spending. Why is this so surprising to conservative voters

>>509154585 (OP)
whats worse is that even when increasing the deficit they wanna cut SNAP and Medicaid! wtf?

>>509158838
He's a useless swamp grifter, like almost everyone else who's shilled here 24/7 by brown imbeciles.

>>509154585 (OP)
>should hang their heads in shame

he def wanted to end at “should hang”

>>509154633
It was previously like 4 trillion deficit. Now its like 4.6 .

Bunch of reasons for it but elons just a fucking retard . Trump should cancel all space x funding

>>509159035
Trimming the welfare state aggressively isn't bad economically and could be survivable politically, but going after boomer Medicare at this moment in history is literally electoral suicide. Gotta wonder what they are planning to make that work.

>>509154585 (OP)
I hope this autistic cunt gets zeroed

>>509154585 (OP)
Elon Musk has a duty to bankroll Massie's reelection, but he's too zogged to do it

>>509154968
This and his jeetloving ways are why I can never trust the guy.

>>509159224
When I first heard about the budget impact it was at 2 trillion

>>509159258
>Gotta wonder what they are planning to make that work.

I think at this point the only plan is to grow and inflate all the debt away. Hopefully it will be 'good' inflation, driven by rising wages.

>>509154585 (OP)
Dude, fuck it - who gives a fuck about the debt?

Elon is crashing out because he wants interest rates to go down because he is in extremely high margin debt

>>509154585 (OP)
>>509154585 (OP)
so you just fire everyone and only when a big beautiful bill that hurts you comes up, you decide to care about people

>>509159726
Retired boomers on Medicare will not reap the benefits of higher wages if this does work out economically (spoiler alert: it wont for the vast majority of people)

>>509159772

It is going to hurt. A lot. This BBB seems to be about survival for the next few years. Kicking the can yet again, in maybe a better direction.

>>509154585 (OP)
Based Elon.
Fuck Zion Don and the cuckservatives.

>>509154769
This, none of his performance is for the common man’s benefit, just another prima donna that needs his bottom spanked for being a naughty boy.

>>509157663
No it doesn't because it all just goes to the rich and it gets spent on intangible speculative investment.
Most people will never see that money again.

>>509154585 (OP)
Why are you calling it "crashing out" when he's simply standing on the principles that he's held for the past couple years?
You all agreed with him until "daddy Trump's" agenda changed.

>>509160127
>none of his performance is for the common man’s benefit,
The death of the dollar will hurt the little people more than the rich.

>>509154769
The best part is that he is getting more gibs than ever. Welfare queen is just upset that he isn't getting even more gibs. He is a true nigger

>>509159992
I think at this point it is all about survival. There is no other coherent plan.

>>509154585 (OP)
Only propagandized niggers and retards worry about the national debt.

>>509156575
>capitalism is the cause of everything and most societal problems are the capitalists

>Uhhh no we wont change anything, we're just gonna kill jews because uhmmm jews or some stupid shit I made up

>>509154585 (OP)
>should hang their head
So close.

>>509155262
He's crying about the bill because it targets dipshit CEO's like him who fire American workers and hire h1bs and move jobs overseas.
This bill has a very large chance to reduce his wealth from 400 bil to 5 bil

>>509160414
You jest but this is what /pol/niggers actually unironically believe

Everything will stay exactly the same save for Vile Shlomo being CEO of ZOG, instead it will be Peter Thiel

>>509160377
Maybe but this is just a totally incompetent legislative effort all the way around and simply more of the same that got us into this mess. Sure seems to me like the coming calamity is entirely intentional.

>time for a new political party that actually cares about the people
elon is such a retard. he's hated by the left for supporting trump and now he's pissed trump and the magats off by opposing the spending bill
this dumb faggot needs to leave politics

>>509160386

Try and remember you said this when the treasury market collapses.

The left fights the right
The right fights itself

>>509154585 (OP)
its clearly going to be bad for america
buy anything that usher in the collapse of the usa is a good thing

>>509154633
I mean who doesn’t love tax cuts financed by taxpayers and funding Israel. And burger this is hardly news, did you woke up from coma or something?

>>509154585 (OP)
>waste
We were curbing waste.
Doge.
Do only good everyday.

>>509154721
Sure bro.
>OMG A COMEDIAN LINKED TO HOE ROGAN DISPARAGED PUERTO RICO!!! IT IS OVER FOR TRUMP. OVER.

The worst thing about the BBB is 10 years of protections for AI. Fucking retarded.

>>509154585 (OP)
A question worth answering for oneself is 'why does Elon to pretend to not know how the US treasury and federal reserve work, and what role government spending plays in propelling the underlying system of fiat credit expansion?'

I can't wait to see Musk set up his own political party. He will spend billions of his own money on it, and the end result is still that absolutely nobody will vote for him.

>>509160608
>Maybe but this is just a totally incompetent legislative effort all the way around and simply more of the same that got us into this mess.

I think you are correct in this. I think Trump and the small govt republicans lack the political power to do anything else. The US govt runs on grift. Trump is one man in a modest political movement beset on all sides by powerful interests that hate him for changing anything. It is unclear if that political movement will survive without his cult of personality. I think that to pass a spending bill, this is the best that Trump could do - keep the grift going and get what he wants in return.

>>509155099
>14 million illegals over 4 years
>senile pedo “in charge”
>tranny worship
>woke worship
A comfy leftist twat is what you are

>>509160857
That part will certainly pass but the silencer deregulation won't, the goys fall for it literally every single time. This water is boiling and the frogs don't even notice.

>>509156616
10 million new ICE agents are needed

>>509160968
>without his cult of personality

*without his cult of personality and pure fucking force of will.

>>509154633
Trump is spending $1 trillion on the "US military"

Palantir is now an unstoppable Israeli surveillance corp without regulation putting together a red list of Americans to target. OpenAI and Oracle also have free rein.

Trump already exhausted the public with his circus tricks 6 months in, and passes the BBB in the heat of summer. Long three point five years coming

>>509160606
Making fun of people for believing reality while you deny it isn't really the own you think it is

>>509154585 (OP)
>last thing I do on this Earth

Mars rocket launch date just leaked

>>509154585 (OP)
Delete 'their head in shame'.
Also, if hes really gonna start a party and REALLY be for the people it may very well be the last thing he does. Look what they did to Trump for God's sake him trying to be for the people. THEY WILL KILL YOU if you end their gravy trains.
Elon could make a good run, him backing a candidate. He has the money and clout for sure. Hed have to start a new political party which, I dunno, is it a nightmare to do or rather easy?

Elon doesn't understand or comprehend anything about United States politics, governance, how the deep administrative state and shadow government operates, macroeconomics, or central banks.

>>509160968
>by powerful interests that hate him
Obama had 1 billionaire on his cabinet, Biden had none, Trump has 13 billionaires on his cabinet. The dems clapped and worked with him just fine. Vance is an outright finance industry shill. There is no reason to think any "hate" he gets from "powerful interest groups" is just kayfabe.

>>509155128
>Five trillion dollars is more than the 2020 CARES act, 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and 2021 American Rescue Plan *combined*

just repealing the Bush and Trump tax cuts would get rid of half the deficit, but no, they keep pushing the bullshit lie that 'tax cuts create jobs' the biggest con of all, and the rubes fall for it over and over

>>509154585 (OP)

Oh sweet

>>509154585 (OP)
> 1st gen cryptokie immigrant tells his hosts they need a (((new))) party

>>509161330
Absolutely nobody likes Musk. It would be the biggest political flop in history, with billions wasted on nothing.

>>509161330
Elon has control over a popular social media platform that even boomers use. He has the ability to be seen. The real question is whether or not he starts having suicidal thoughts :^)

Someone wanna tell Elon that elections are rigged?

>>509154585 (OP)
he literally has no power, who is he threatening?

>>509161655
>Absolutely nobody likes Musk

Look guys i found that swiss guy who rooted for shroom consumption a few years back.

>>509154874
Except the stated goal of the bill is to reduce spending.

>>509154585 (OP)
Go on Elon.
Create the AnCap party.
Lets get all the indians you want in the USA.

>>509161330

It is hard to read the tea leaves, but Elon seem to have a funny view of 'government'. I think in part his Mars thing is to be a reboot in governance as much as an expedition (which is reasonable in so far as it will be so harsh). In terms of politics here, I don't think he really gets it because he leans toward being a technologist. I think he sees the grift and the stupidity and thinks, "just don't do that", but it is the end result of human nature intermixed with the 'state of the art' governance system that the founding fathers implemented here.

I think that humanity is pushing against the boundaries of our social technologies as implemented in law, corporations and governments. This is why we have these management failures (like Boeing and intel) and cycles of civilizations. There will need to be a leveling up in social technologies for our species to scale upward in size and complexity of organizations - or we do what the small govt types want, and scale laterally (to build higher). But we are not discussing problems from such a meta approach - even Elon.

>>509154633
Yes. But unlike Democrap spending this is important to grow the stock market

>>509154585 (OP)
Do MIGA niggers realize that they will be the one eating the resulting kikeflation?

This retard had 3 months to clean shop and get the shills out of Washington and he wasted it doing K in the executive suite sleeping on the floor tweeting empty promises about $5,000 checks then making up fake numbers each week about money saved that never materialized. Now he's gone, his car company is in the shitter, and he's suddenly the expert on fiscal policy again. He needs to off himself, it's really the only way to honorably make up for this embarassment, his family is going to carry his shame forever if he doesn't.

>>509161508
That is very fair. I personally am less concerned about bezos being a billionare where I can see exactly where he got his money than Nancy Pelosi having ??? who inexplicably beats the best finance organizations in market trading.

>>509154585 (OP)
The national debt is fake. The Lord is coming next year anyway.

>>509154585 (OP)
If he's a Libertarian as he claims then he doesn't need to create a new party. He simply needs to join the Libertarian party and pump shitloads of money into it.

>>509154633
>ruined tens of thousands of peoples lives with DOGE
>akshully we don't care about being fiscal responsibility, print 5 trillion now.
loooooooooooooool

>>509156616
Yes. They are enslaving the taxcattle and the future taxcattle with so called "government" debt.

>>509154968
H1B king

>>509162325
Nancy plays the same game Marjorie Taylor Greene plays. It's just being the finger on the pulse of massive changes and playing the stock market. Bezos' gains are more related to consumer and worker policy and benefits. Pelosi is part of the general problem with free markets.

>>509156834
Fuck off /ptg/ shills. Seriously no one is buying your fake consensus bullshit.
Not even two months ago you bootlickers were swinging from Elons nuts like a bunch of cirque de solei troons.

>It might not ever occur to you personally how big if hypocitical, goal post moving cultist retards you are but people are smarter than you think.
When I get out of this Trump worshipping hug box and look at what real people are saying in news articles, your bullshit arguments fall apart quickly.

People are done with the Elites nonsense and if the democrats or anyone else gives them a true rebel army to join it’s going to be a rough one.
America is now fully cucked and impotent but the rest of the world is moving on quickly from the American false ideal.

>>509157357
>Number go up!
Yeah, but those numbers go up because the purchasing power of the fiat currency goes down. Much of the economy is a ponzi scheme.

>>509154585 (OP)
His angry because his not getting gibs anymore from the bill.

>>509162090
Very well put. You’re right that Elon’s a technologist at heart — he believes systems and efficiency can fix everything. But human nature and power structures don’t run on logic alone.

I agree we’re hitting the limits of our current ‘social technologies.’ It’s like our legal and political systems are 18th-century software trying to run a 21st-century world.

A new party might sound good, but breaking the two-party stranglehold is brutal — ballot access, fundraising, media gatekeeping. That’s why they crush outsiders so fiercely. Look what happened to Trump trying to buck the establishment, and he had a major party behind him.

Still, people are fed up, and the more dysfunction we see, the more fertile ground there is for someone like Elon to either run himself or back a candidate.

But you’re right — unless we evolve how we manage ourselves as societies, we’ll keep repeating these cycles.”

>>509157663
He doesn't have any money. He is a debtor. High inflation rewards debtors and punishes savers.

>>509155746
>Fed Fuentes has been leading twitter brigades punching everyone right he can

Uh, good? You don't cause change by letting your leaders be fucking gay and retarded while sucking Israels cock.

>>509162365
>The Lord is coming next year anyway.
Two moar weeks.

>>509160104
>Shekels Shekels Shekels, YAY!

A traditional jewish song sung by richest Israeli Miriam Adelson, who just happens to live in the USA and operates a massive casino empire despite being a doctor who studied addiction and swore an oath to do no harm with her medical knowledge.

>>509162747
>Nancy plays the same game Marjorie Taylor Greene plays.

Yes.

>It's just being the finger on the pulse of massive changes and playing the stock market.

lol. no. Its insider trading.

>Bezos' gains are more related to consumer and worker policy and benefits.

No he was on the leading edge of internet tech; created a bookstore, created infrastructure that became AWS (where amazon actually makes money), and scaled the consumer side into something that does not loose money.

>Pelosi is part of the general problem with free markets.

lol no. Pelosi exemplifies psychopath trash in a position of power for years.

>>509156220
>We don't need to send any more satellites in space
well that's just wrong

>>509154585 (OP)
>Every member of Congress who campaigned on reducing government spending and then immediately voted for the biggest debt increase in history should hang
Stopped reading there.

>>509154633
Yes. We need that money to give to Palantir so they can built more tools to track and police your behavior. MAGA!

>>509156076
>Wants to lower budget
>This would mean cutting money for tons of Jewish corruption
>Get kicked to the curb and called a Nazi but every news outlet that's run by Jews.
What a shock.

>>509154585 (OP)
Fuck, based musk
Run with both Massie for us and AOC for the left wing and you're in position to destroy the status quo

>>509156616
the increase in debt itself is not a problem. What matters is how that increase is structured. Deficit just means people will have more money. Gov deficit equals private sector surplus. But who will get that additional money? You know who

>>509154585 (OP)
If he does start a party, it will likely be pro immigrant. So doomed to fail. The other alternative are people who think men can get pregnant. So tax cuts for the rich is the lesser of all evils

>>509154585 (OP)
you are reading this wrong. Democrat media has made a deal with him, he blames trump they stop tearing him and his companies appart

>>509162951
>It’s like our legal and political systems are 18th-century software trying to run a 21st-century world.

yeah, but the real problem is some smart (or dumb) asshole thinking they can do better. What we have achieved is very remarkable. It may be a bit fragile at this scale. I am very doubtful that a better working system is going to be planned rather than evolved - the complexity is just too great. Its a problem the scale of multi-generational all-of-humanity and in the face of rapidly evolving technology. My bias (perhaps obvious) is to scale down and experiment more - which is going to happen anyway as things break.

>>509163551
Deficit is how much we are short on paying the bills, which increases the debt. We need a surplus to reduce debt

>>509154585 (OP)
I told him to turn off the magnets.

>>509163701
>surplus
so the people will have less money which always leads to either recession or depression. Gov surpluses are unsustainable and retarded

I heard a fox news boomer bitch about the BBB cutting his medicare lmao

Gotta spend money to make money.

>>509155262
>he really just wants to do smart white man things to improve america
he wants gibs for his companies so he can sit on twitter all day and post like a redditor from 2014

>>509164085
exactly! it is much better to make a budget to spend 2T more than revenue and print out money to pay the debt

he aint wrong but a microdosing-pseudo-miesian-techbro party vs. a dudeweed-commie-keynesian-trans-migrante party kayfabe would be no better than the GOP/Dems bullshit.
So why bother?
Endgame:
"AI makes all the decisions, it's the smartest way"*

*pay no attention to that man behind the curtain

He's so mad about losing those subsidies.

>>509154721
The democrats have punched a hole straight through their own crotch. They're not winning any more elections.

>>509164562
MMT isn't going to work, even if it is republicans doing it.

>>509162606
No one had their life ruined by DOGE, in fact they didn’t even get close to the amount of cutting they wanted

>>509156616
eventually the plates become too large and too numerous to keep spinning
the more that are added, the worse the crash will be

>>509154585 (OP)
>Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people

That meme is old and tired now.
No one cares about the people, not even the people.

>>509155179
> I don't have an argument so I will resort to weak ad-hominems.
Pathetic!

no matter how much money he spends he just can't get rid of the porky pig party or get a non-paedophile elected president, should he just give up on america?

>>509154585 (OP)
Problem is that if trump constantly cuts on everything and force Americans to buy and produce American in America, then people won’t see the benefits until many years from now.
They will have to make big sacrifices over a very long period, and people are not willing to do so.
And if they do, it may all be for nothing as soon as the next person is elected.
What Elon doesn’t understand is that it’s not about getting rid of the debt.
It’s about cutting leftist funded campaigns.
Elon is just mad because he’s losing on this. He thought he could control trump, but trump wasn’t as stupid as Elon thought.

>>509155580
Maybe be he doesn't care about the BS right/left dichotomy, maybe he cares about America.

>>509164562
you have zero idea how money works

>>509154585 (OP)
I despise Elon but this is based desu

At this point the system is just pulling off an open exit pump while collapsing the dollar and no one gives a fuck, because people are in the markets and want to make it on the pump too.
It has become nothing but a huge casino and all normies are going to get beyond fucked when the rug is pulled.

>>509154721
I don't think there will be much left to "win" by then. Shit's fucked

I don't believe for a second that any sort of political party that this cocksucker aligns himself with or endorses isn't just going to be a fucking shitshow like any other that has come and gone.

>>509154585 (OP)
shut the fuck up sweden

>>509155349
>>509155288
You are a stupid mouth breathing nigger.

>>509164968
That is one thing going for Elon. He could go anywhere and do anything and other governments would by and large let him do what he wants. I am pretty sure the USG is going to start giving Tesla and spaceX static, particularly if he starts a 3rd party. His ace up the sleeve is that he can say goodbye - or even just focus his attention elsewhere (until he starts feeling suicidal, anyway).

>>509165183
two more weeks and the dollar collapses, hyperinflation etc

>>509154585 (OP)
So is the goal to flood America with more h1b1 jeets?

>>509154585 (OP)

But he has point...politicians always walking easiest path...because want to come re-elected. System can fix only by limiting term just for one season (and death penalty if not worked for common good). Profession as politician should make end.

>>509154585 (OP)
>Every member of congress who campaigned on reducing government spending should hang
holy based

>>509154585 (OP)
Elon is such a faggot nerd and always will be a faggot nerd. Loser cuck

>>509154585 (OP)
>vengeful elon arc
kino

>>509162195
Shalom

>>509156877
Biodiesel is the currently suppressed technology. You don’t need nuclear anything, just replace India and Brazil with the oil plant forests that should be there anyway.

>>509163627
Totally fair point. I agree that the hubris of ‘we can design a perfect system’ has historically ended badly. The Founders didn’t aim for perfection, either — just checks and balances to manage human flaws.

I also lean toward your view that meaningful change happens more through organic evolution than grand plans. And yeah, at this scale, fragility is the price we pay for complexity.

Scaling down and experimenting locally might be the only sane path forward. Let systems compete, learn, and adapt — rather than impose top-down fixes that usually miss the mark.

But as you said, the pressure to change will keep growing as things break. The big question is how much chaos we endure before new models emerge.

>>509154585 (OP)
Everyone is mad about this spending too much,
I'm mad its not spending enough. They should give us all stimmies if they want this bill to go through without hassle. Why do they get to spend all of our money, why can't we spend our money from future generations.
That's what i'm mad about.

>>509157348
China maintains strict control over the means of production and has full control over its currency, America does not.

>>509166323
You dumb fuck, this will cause kikeflation.
And those dollars won't be going into productive work.

>>509166997
If you haven't noticed, they are robbing us blind.
Atleast break us off our own money , so we can buy gold or fartcoin.

>>509166291

The drive to scale up is ever present (at least with 18th - 20th century tech). Getting more people involved with production and creation of tech has meant greater capacity of those economic and political units to do violence on others (power) as exercised in final form by the post WWII imperial might of the west lead by the US. That is the crumbling order being rebuilt (or attempted so) by Trump/maga.

Scaling down is inherently less powerful, unless those units can be bound together into something greater - which to my mind is the core ideas of the US that have been weakened.

Again, my point is that the drive to scale up is ever present with current tech, because that gives power. The drive has been to create social, political, economic, and legal systems that allow for scaling up to realize that power.

The super interesting question is will AI/AGI/ASI dissolve that fundamental drive that has existed for humanity since farming was invented and people started to build 'civilizations' for empowerment.

It is going to be super interesting going forward.

>>509164969
>What Elon doesn’t understand is that it’s not about getting rid of the debt.
A big part of the republicans' mandate this time around was to lower the debt by exercising fiscal responsibility, and no more forever wars. So far Trump is taking a huge shit on his voters and he's an embodiment of the swamp itself. These transgressions combined with Operation Warp Speed should have earned him a place in a cage or worse a long time ago. America needs a revolution to remove all the traitorous crony capitalists with as much force as necessary, along with the faggot leftist NGOs.

>>509154585 (OP)
Oh look babylonian fake-out time LOL. Setting up the stage for the Hegelian Dialectic. Are we REALLY this gullible?

>>509154585 (OP)
>elons going to campaign for democrats
Red wave confirmed, not that itll achieve much.

>>509166291
It makes me hopeful when I see sensible Republicans on here -- people that aren't just screeching about social issue #7741 or social issue #5116. Perhaps a third-party candidate can disrupt the system eventually. We'll need to see more political outcasts like Mamdani appear in local offices throughout the country before we can see what works.
People really are fed up with the ratchet of the two-party system.

>>509167194
And if he's banking on AI fixing shit he should just use those 5 trillion to cover the country in nuclear plants and solar parks and say so clearly

Elon! Elon! Elon! Let me know if I can volunteer any time for the cause.

>>509166780
>full control over its currency
wrong. That is impossible.

I took the lazy way out. Here is an AI response.
A country can control two of the following three aspects regarding currency: a fixed exchange rate, free capital movement, and an independent monetary policy. However, it cannot achieve all three simultaneously, as per the concept known as the Impossible Trinity.

>>509167194
>A big part of the republicans' mandate this time around was to lower the debt by exercising fiscal responsibility, and no more forever wars. So far Trump is taking a huge shit on his voters and he's an embodiment of the swamp itself. These transgressions combined with Operation Warp Speed should have earned him a place in a cage or worse a long time ago. America needs a revolution to remove all the traitorous crony capitalists with as much force as necessary, along with the faggot leftist NGOs.

It's all over but the crying my friend.
I'm a fiscal conservative/Libertarian.
Clear as day what the game plan is, kill the dollar. I believe Obama was rumored to have said this a while back but it's accelerating that's for sure. It's a giant Uni-party and society is going to McFuckin lose it. As Money supply increases wages have to go down in real terms to suppress interest rates, we're looking at abject poverty.

>>509154585 (OP)
they will lose if it is the last thing I do
shouldn't Americans be mad at this? Who does he think he is?

>>509161491
Oh really because I seem to remember people glazing the fuck out of Trump/Musk as elites who were working 'for the people' so they'd know all about the systems in place

>>509154585 (OP)

Good! I trust Elon, he would change it but they'll prob bump him off so he needs to get some jeet lookalike justincase (joke)
I trust him more than any bigmouthed politician cockhole

>>509154585 (OP)
show me where he is wrong though.

>>509167441
Full control as in the Chinese state has dominion over the money printer and can decide to manipulate the currency in such a way so as to incentive whatever industries it deems strategic.
The US goverment does not have dominion over the federal reserve.
Not sure why I have to explain that to you.
I assumed /pol/ fags already knew that.

>>509154968
Well your not exactly standing up and going to do le hecking fucking science so he has to go somewhere to get some little rat bastards who half know what their doing, Maybe, fuck knows I just know they've been so busy pushing us to the sidelines so they can fuck with us in every manner including university,,, Get back up and fucking do something FFS

>>509167100
>they are robbing us blind
Yes and the printing along with the tax cuts for the rich will act as a way of transferring even more wealth from the bottom to the top.
> Buy gold
Most won't do it, it will only have an impact if most people did it.

>>509154585 (OP)

My response to this Twitter post, verbatim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUNyMXrEEsg

>>509154968
elon is right saarrr america wont surwiwe without 200 IQ bramin indian genius

>>509167904
>The US goverment does not have dominion over the federal reserve.

lol. lmao even. The relationship that exists is such because it was created that way. All things can change with the stroke of a pen. For better, or for worse.

The US gov't didn't have to even do that, and yet TSMC is building fabs like crazy in AZ. My point is that the Chinese system, depending on how you look at it, is crude in comparison. What has been missing in the US/west is a government not run by shitheads.

>>509167194
Yeah. And we all hoped and expected them to lie about that.
Same when they kept asking him if he wanted Ukraine to lose. We all want them to lose. And trump does too.
So he says it’s not about who wins or loses. It’s about peace. We all know it’s a lie.
lol imagine being a retard who can’t see it until it’s too late. Even the democrats understand this.

But those are the people who think Israel will give back the Gaza strip after it’s all over lmfao

>>509168532
5D chessfags are the biggest retards on this site. You think they would've learned by 2020 but they didn't.

I like how people can analyze the politics in their gay little animes or tv shows but when it comes to real life politics people straight up take whatever the fuck these people tweet or say at face value. Yeah this dude who has been in politics for 30 years is suddenly some based and redpilled warrior and nonswamp creature because he tweeted about trannies so now he's on the starting lineup for the patriot marvel avengers. These people need to get real

>>509168394
>All things can change with the stroke of a pen.
I know, dumbass but that would essentially mean terminating the global financial system as jews won't take too kindly to burgers to take back control over the currency.
> The US gov't didn't have to even do that, and yet TSMC is building fabs like crazy in AZ.
The fact that the US has to pay through the nose for a couple of fabs producing old chips at a higher price and a lower yield then TSMC and the fact that TSMC in Taiwan continues to dominate proves my point.

>>509168742
Honestly though we didn't have any options.
No Choice Kamala and Father of the Vax Trumpf.
So we're left with either revolution or flee or going off grid but offgrid is still connected. Smarter people already moved out of the States knowing how this already ends, I have family here so I'm fucked. I will say though that the theater is atleast entertaining, so there's that.

>>509168394
>My point is that the Chinese system, depending on how you look at it, is crude in comparison
False, it's quite sophisticated, it managed to industrialise China at warp speed, where as handing jews control over the currency creation has led to the US total decline in the manufacturing sector.
Re-industrialization cannot happen under the current system in the US.

>>509168960
Triffin's Paradox, for the "right" for the US Gov to print and spend requires running trade deficits to supply the world dollars to recycle back into our Bonds, this allows the Gov to spend more at lower interest rates.
For the privilege of spending and getting our Politicians, Special interests, Wallstreet, Mega Corps rich, you sacrifice mainstreet.
And effectively we're almost there now.

>>509168760
>The fact that the US has to pay through the nose for a couple of fabs producing old chips at a higher price and a lower yield then TSMC and the fact that TSMC in Taiwan continues to dominate proves my point.

This is just not reality / not what is going on. US costs are ~10% higher. yields in the US are the same or a touch better. Modern (2nm) nodes are coming here in spite of the silicon shield. In other news 18A and ?14A? are looking really, really good.

I expect better, even from a memeflag.

>>509168532
>Yeah.
So stop running your whore mouth about this simply being Elon mad.

>And we all hoped [...] them to lie about that.
No we didn't. You're just taking a cynic's position to avoid cognitive dissonance. Cope, in other words.

>>509168960
>Re-industrialization cannot happen under the current system in the US.

yes-ish, but I think it is more of a political change than monetary - but I will allow that the two are intertwined.

>>509154801
is that graham?

>>509157231
lol catturd2 curated arguments are null and void, you guys keep spreading the “well actually this is why he hates it”
Fuck Elon, but I don’t think he gives a fuck about tax credits for his cars.
I hate how catturd just says something and his followers just repeat it,

>>509169124
>Modern (2nm) nodes are coming here in spite of the silicon shield
Keyword here is coming and by the time they arrive, Taiwan would be moving ahead to a new process, keeping America always one step behind.
And this is done through unsustainable massive goverment gibs which cannot be maintained long term, thus ensuring that the handful of TSMC fabs Arizona has would remain forever inferior.

>>509154721
This. I'm voting a straight ticket and I'll convince everyone I know to do the same. Millions use HUD and Medicaid it's only a matter of time before Democrats take the midterms. They will campaign on it and retarded cuckservatives will have no answer.

>>509168943
It was cooked when you realize everybody is a fucking fraud, these fiscal conservatives are just larpers who pretend to be responsibile while letting shit like this slide, anybody who thought that epstein shit would go anywhere got sold and don't care, antivax crowd had Trump commentating how he wanted to be the "Father of the Vax" and made pharma completely immune to prosecution goes over their heads. Literally the only thing I saw any slight pushback from the base on is on Israel funny enough but it doesn't matter as long as they keep it on the "down-low" for American standards. i.e you can give them as much money/resources as you want as long as you don't make it TOO obvious.

>>509155179
I genuinely think he's mad that X didn't get all the doge information and instead palantir is getting it.

>>509169629
The only time you see republicans “radicalize” is when democrats are in power, even then it’s weak but they just try to use counter arguments at least. Whenever we are in power we just try to “prove we ain’t racist/sexist, and we love the normal gays” and then give huge tax breaks to the rich

>>509169597
>is done through unsustainable massive goverment gibs

That's not reality either. Tariffs alone keep the fabs here - and are all that is necessary to motivate TSMC to build them. Biden was being dumb with the chips act (but in fairness probably did speed up the move/construction). TSMC will have to build leading edge nodes here or apple will have to spend 30% tariffs on the chips. As long as the US govt does not pussy out leading edge nodes will always be here. I follow this on the day-to-day, and it seems even chip industry people are surprised by some of these developments.

>>509169363
Problem here is that Trump is not willing to make the changes needed to bring back manufacturing to the US as it would entail essentially fucking over his financial backers.
He would have to nationalize the feds which will in turn lead to the USD losing its reserve currency status and than proceed to throw dollars at whatever industalise sector he thinks is strategically relevant and even than it would decades for such policies to bear fruit and his successor would probably reverse course.
Like, I said, it's impossible to do it within the current system, it's like trying to legalize interracial marriage in NAZI Germany.

>>509154585 (OP)
the irony.

>>509164728
I have bad news for you, they will sweep the midterms in expectacular fashion and easily win next presidential election.

Unless of course, gop passes some sort of Voter ID laws.

People are too stupid to understand the US has to raise the debt ceiling by 5 trillion to implement the programs that will reduce the national debt. They have to raise money to save money.

>>509165095
you have no idea how sarcasm works

>>509154585 (OP)
>Nigger upset hes not getting government handouts anymore
A tale as old as time

>>509169929
>Tariffs alone keep the fabs here - and are all that is necessary to motivate TSMC to build them.
No, TSMC got a lot of gibs from Biden's chips act.
America just does not have the eco system and the decades of experience needed to sustain it.
Plus Trump is slowly dropping tarrifs on electronics already.

>>509169936

I disagree. Tariffs are enough. If you motivate companies in the right way, they will respond. If you want to access US markets, you should manufacture here - and that motivation is set by the tariff rate. This is all shaking out now, but it has even been in the msm news recently with economists saying "trump was right" in tariffs not driving massive inflation.

>>509170135
Zero truckers have been fired since June 25th when they were supposed to speak English. Do any of his executive orders mean anything or can people just piss on them ?

>>509156076
he means right before he leaves earth for Mars

>>509167145
Brilliantly put — you’re absolutely right that scaling up has always been tied to power projection, whether economic, political, or military. The U.S. post-WWII order is the ultimate example of that: industrial capacity, financial dominance, and a military umbrella all intertwined.

And I agree that the MAGA/trump phenomenon — love it or hate it — is partly a reaction to the crumbling of that system and a desire to either preserve it or reshape it in new ways.

I’m fascinated too by your question about AI/AGI/ASI. If those tools can decentralize capability and decision-making, maybe the historical incentive to scale up for power changes fundamentally. Imagine individuals or small groups wielding the kind of analytical or productive power that once required nations or empires.

But that could also swing the other way — a few actors using advanced AI to consolidate control even more tightly. So the old tension remains: power in many hands vs. power concentrated in a few.

Could be the most important question of our era.

>>509170172
>Tariffs are enough
Not enough.
The cost of building fabs in the US as oppose to east Asia and along with the additional logistical burden will more than offset any price hikes brought about by tarrifs.
Keep in mind, TSMC sources a lot of its various machinery from abroad (most notably it's lithography machines), such items would still have to be imported into the US in order to get the factories started and once the chips are made, they can than be shipped to foxcon for assembly, it's utterly inefficient, so TSMC won't do it without gibs.

>>509170135
>America just does not have the eco system and the decades of experience needed to sustain it.

This is wrong too. Intel is arguably ahead of tsmc with its 18A, driven by BSPD (backside power delivery). Intel isn't being trusted by others to be a foundry though, which is a problem - they have to fill their fabs to amortize their massive investments. Yes TSMC has done a lot right, and a lot of the ecosystem is there, but it is because the US allowed it to happen, and that can and is being fixed - again by governments not run by shitheads.

But the name on the company does not really matter to the US govt. They want the fabs, and the packaging here, and the R&D here. TSMC has been motivated to start building all of that in AZ, and driven to do so by tariffs.

Besides, I don't think you get it. The US has a shitload of fabs. We make a lot of chips, it is only with intel shitting the bed on 10nm that the lead was lost (?temporarily?) to TSMC.

>>509154585 (OP)
He just cries and cries about his sad liddle wind farms and solar panels.

>>509167145
>>509170399
This is a bot.

>>509170558

you are just wrong. The #'s have been crunched for TSMC's recent fabs. The US is about 10% more expensive than Taiwan for chip production. Tariffs at 30% means that production happens here. Its just the way it is.

>jeets spamming ChatGPT

LMAO

>>509154585 (OP)
>every congress member...should hang
Indeed

>>509154585 (OP)
He's still upset he can't import a billion jeets and pay them peanuts so his spaceship can crash on it's way to Mars

>>509170771
it won't crash, it will divert to Venus or catch fire

>>509170701

Says the (loosing) memeflag. Just fuck off.

>>509170172
I don't believe widescale adoption will happen in the same way I didn't believe there'd be mass deportations.
Like does nobody remember that token washing machine shit? Or that shit that happened with Foxconn? They'd ghost when investments for factories need years to pay off expecting who is in power next to reel it back. Not even Trump wants to rip off the bandage too hard which is why he keeps flipflopping between deporting everyone "illegal = illegal" or not wanting to hurt the hotel workers/farmers that fuck up wages/rents just by being around

>>509170572
> Intel is arguably ahead of tsmc with its 18A, driven by BSPD (backside power delivery)
I don't care about the latest buzzwords, all that matters is results and Intel continues to be so shit at large scale chip production, so much so that apple refuses to have them anywhere near their chip in spite of coming under MASSIVE pressure from the goverment to move away from TSMC and China.
>but it is because the US allowed it to happen,
Correct, the same system that allowed this to happen is still in place.
I have been hearing about America's ceasing it's dependence on TSMC's Taiwan fabs and the Chinese electronic factories for YEARS now, fuck all happened.

>>509154966
>You can make 10 new parties but when you vote for them the votes will get funneled to one of two parties because everything is rigged and there is only the illusion of choice; furthermore I'm dumber than even the two-party goys.

Ftfy

>>509154721
>muh right muh left
Pathetic

>Care so much about the debt
>refuse to ever raise taxes, go to bat to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires
I don't get these people complaining about the debt. They constantly whine and cry about how in debt the US is, yet they refuse to ever do anything about it. They say whoa, we can save hundreds of billions by cutting healthcare, but they will never say hmmm. maybe we shouldn't send billions to Israel, or spent ONE TRILLION DOLLARS on the military every year, or god forbid raise tax rates on millionaires and billionaires.

Speaking of which, did you know that there is a taxable maximum on how much money a person can pay into social security each year? It's about 21k for individuals, 10k for employees. The taxable maximum is 176k. This means every dollar you get taxed on above that threshold does not contribute to social security, and by the way social security does not contribute to the national debt at all.

Yeah, look this up if you don't believe me. Someone earning billions of dollars a year is paying THE SAME AMOUNT into social security as someone at the maximum income cap for it; 176k. For years the solution to saving social security has been right in front of these idiots in congress, simply raise the taxable maximum so that millionaires and billionaires have to pay more into social security for the benefit of all, but they refuse to do it which is why you always hear people talk about social security payments being cut by x date because the funding will run out as almost all boomers go onto social security and it strains the system.


Kind of a tangent, I'm just tired of these people crying about the debt and then cutting taxes at the same time, it means they really don't actually give a fuck about it and just use it as an excuse to give themselves and their millionaire / billionaire friends a tax cut so they can buy more superyachts and go on vacations in europe.

>>509170572
>The US has a shitload of fabs. We make a lot of chips,
I know, so do many countries.
But what we are talking about is the high end shit.
Personally, I think we should have moved to optical computing by now...

>>509170863
It will crash if it doesn't make it out of the atmosphere. But I still kek'd.

>>509170701
Everything will be bots and AI soon. When AI perfects photos and videos, wars will start. Movies, music, this chatboard, social media will be FLOODED with bots, you wont know whats what.

AI mode: We’re rapidly heading into an era where AI and autonomous bots will permeate every facet of digital life. Once AI fully masters hyper-realistic images, videos, and audio, the floodgates will open. The boundaries between truth and fabrication will blur beyond recognition.

Social media, forums like this, entertainment platforms — all will be inundated with synthetic content and bot-driven interactions. We’ll reach a point where distinguishing human-authored ideas from algorithmically generated narratives becomes nearly impossible.

And that’s not just an information problem. It’s a geopolitical threat. Imagine adversaries weaponizing flawless fake videos to incite riots, destabilize governments, or provoke military action. The spark for the next major conflict might not be a missile launch, but a deepfake broadcast timed for maximum chaos.

Movies, music, journalism, online discourse — all stand to be overwhelmed by this tsunami of synthetic reality. The question won’t just be ‘Is this real?’ but rather, ‘Can we ever trust what we see and hear again?

>>509171507
WARS WILL START

>>509171507
> Trying to shill the glorified autocomplete algo as some world ending events
Nobody cares about your chatbots, go away.

elon gangstalking lol

>>509171065
>Intel continues to be so shit at large scale chip production

Intel is #2 in the world.

>>for YEARS now, fuck all happened.
wat? TSMC has massive new fabs in AZ that are cranking out chips at yields the same or better for the same node as those in Taiwan. This is now.

>Correct, the same system that allowed this to happen is still in place.

yes, but it is mostly political imho. But the political establishment realizing that their ability to grift ending with the imperial might of the US (and Trump) does appear to have lit a fire under their worthless asses.

>>509154585 (OP)
What a stupid gaylord.

>>509171507
lol. good sir, your 'genius' realization is years behind what happens here on the day to day.

>>509171689
Fair enough — skepticism is healthy. But dismissing it all as ‘just autocomplete’ misses the point.

Sure, language models generate text, but they’re getting integrated into tools that handle video synthesis, voice cloning, and image generation. When those systems converge, we’re not talking about chatbots writing poems — we’re talking about machines that can fabricate entire realities indistinguishable from the truth.

Nobody cared about early social media either… until it started toppling governments, swinging elections, and fracturing societies.

I’m not saying AI will ‘end the world.’ I’m saying it’s a force multiplier for information manipulation — and that’s worth talking about.

>>509172094
What will become of it all...

>>509154585 (OP)
I've been wanting to start a political party for years now but I lack the resources and some of the skills. Anyone else want to join together to start a party?

>>509172454
death. and rebirth. as all things go.

I am beginning to think that culture is a pan-human or meta-human construct that is emergent and is defined and utilized by the collective toward a beneficial end. It is what social media tapped into and attempts to control. But I think this meta-human aspect of it is resistant to perversion at some level - because the thing is supposed to be utilitarian. Bad sources will be rejected and dropped - I think this why hollywood and msm are loosing its power over the collective.

I find this format very useful, and enjoyable. Whatever comes, I am sure there will be an adaptation - maybe technical.