Italians and Greeks are shitskin and are not whites.
Spaniards and Portuguese are the only white meds.

Why would I want to be a snow nigger?

>>509204254 (OP)
Fuck off achmed

>>509204254 (OP)

>>509204254 (OP)
How funny that a sandnigger would say that.
I love my tanned medbros.

>>509204254 (OP)
>OK? Why do you say that as if someone is dying to be white kek.
You are not what I am therefore you are inferior, nevermind I had no say in what I am nor did I create myself, but I'm just better ok, kek

>trying to divide med bromance
Italian men are hot asf simple as

>>509204254 (OP)
Typed by an ugly somali nigger living in France

>>509204254 (OP)
Half of Africa is whiter than France. I don't really think you're in a position to talk.

>>509204254 (OP)
Now post the Northern Italy (Milan etc), I believe it's similar to Spanish and would cluster closer to Norwegians.

Southern Italy and Greece have very little Western Hunter Gatherer admixture, they're mostly Anatolian Neolithic Farmer and Indo-European so they are close to Levantines.

>>509204254 (OP)
You are all the same filth to me

>>509205072
Have you seen your flag?

>>509204254 (OP)
still a nafri lol
>>509204790
show tits

>>509204254 (OP)
shut the fuck up
all of europe is white, white is just a general term used to identify europeans in contrast to shitskins, the fucking portuguese came up with the term during colonial times, nords germanics or meds dont have ownership of the term.
you can find people in scandinavia or south italy or eastern europe that cluster better with non european populations, that is however, fucking irrelevant ,and you will never be a woman .

And by the way 99% of /pol understands jack shit about genetics or statistics,being european is more than just the visual phenotype, the biggest fucking difference is the behavioural traits, given that we where selected for millenia to live in we functioning ordered civilization, that is what separates us the most from niggers jeets and ameriniggers, its the genes that condition nervous system function that in turn condition behavioural traits. Even the swarthyest of meds still has a facial phenotype which is cold adapted typical of europeans and behavioural traits typiucal of europeans , unless you cherrypick some 0.001% lost lineage of sandniggers living in south italy.

Go divide and conquer somewhere else nigger jew.

>>509204979
WHG isnt the end all be all of what is european
there are many more founding populations other than WHG, which by the way didnt apear in europe. But sure some cluster closer to levantines which by the way are not arabs, levantines are borderline europeans

>>509205072
lol pajeet nigger calling others filth...the irony

>>509205499
I agree. It's still interesting to discuss why S Italians/Greeks are on the edge of the European cluster. Someone has to be on the edge. Its like how Gibraltar is closer to Morocco than to most of Europe, but its still part of Europe

I don't really know much about Levantine genetics. I guess they have a lot of ANF but almost no WHG or WSH/Indo-European. What makes them borderline European? Why are their countries all shitholes? Is it the African admixture from the Islsmic slave trade? Cousin marriage being encouraged from Islam? Isreal bombing them all?

>>509205983
levantine as far as i know refers to syria palestine and lebanon, those countries where pretty good 20 years ago before israel and the US started fucking up the area, so they are pretty capable of well functioning civilization. Just look at damascus 20 years ago before the war, it was just like any other european country, even the HDI was on par with europe

>>509205983
btw S Italy and Greece are on the edge because geographicly speaking they are on the edge to, yes i know obvs...but given that populations on the perifery are always the ones the most in contact with other populations this is to be expected, same reason why east euros and fins have higher asian admixture, however they are european non the less

>>509204557
>>509204790
>>509205296
>>509205344
Italians think you are shitskin you fucking retards, they insult you all day. I'm only fighting back against them.
Spain used to conquer Italy, show a little more pride ffs.
t. Spanish diaspora in France.

>>509204979
blaming ANF is a 10 years old cope, south Italy and Greece have genuine significant recent near east ancestry, the three way model WHG-ANF-WSH is just a broad strokes pan-European basic outline, but the more southeast you go in Europe, the more you have post bronze age near east ancestry
Sardinians are a genuine ANF-rich population and if you add some 10-20% steppe you don't get south Italians or Greeks

>>509206740
>Italians think you are shitskin
lol ok jew

>>509206979
They do.

>>509206740
Why are you browpipo so schizo?

>>509204254 (OP)
>france
you went from city of lights to city of niggers, stop trying to DnC, even though the Italians have fucked up many times. I CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOUR RABBI

>>509206787
I dont get it, so you are saying that south italy and greece have high inflow of arab or levantine admixture? when tho?
I do agree ANF is by definition european but those populations dont have 100% ANF, so the rest could be from the arabian peninsula, ( out of context but in this context looking are Y haplogoups isnt very usefull autosomal dna is a better predictor).
btw WHG ANF and EHG and Yamnaya arent the only founding groups, in south europe you see a lot of basal eurasian, like 5-15%

>>509207192
>shitalians calling me brown

>>509207314
Can you blame him ? You are full of niggers in France

>>509207314
I'm not ethnically italian, stupid browpipo

>>509207314
stop the divide and conquer
we need anthropology threads to have productive discussion rather than finger pointing at "muh who is less white" threads

>>509206740
Yet you are and remain a seething, frog eating, snail licking, baguette fucking, faggot. And a shitskin.

>>509207270
it's not directly arab or levantine, it's mostly from post bronze age Anatolia, which, however, got closer and closer to more eastern an southern populations via geneflow from caucasus-iran and levant in both directions
in Greece this non-ANF west Asian ancestry was already arriving in the bronze age, Minoans for example already were west Asian influenced, but it kept increasing with time and especially with the Roman empire a big pulse brought this kind of ancestry to the point of being dominant in center-south Italy(according to a preprint, also 25% in the north), which in the iron age was still largely dominated by ANF and 10-35% steppe(depending on the region, Sicani in iron age Sicily were very close to modern Sardinians)
PCA related should highlight the point, Bulgaria_N is ~100% EEF,

>>509204254 (OP)
Yep, I'm brown.

t. greek

>>509206471
Israel is on par with Europe economically while being mostly Levantine. Ashkenazis are already 50% Levantine genetically, and the majority of Israel's population are Mizrahis who are 100% Levantine. Maybe Syria and Lebanon would be similar if not for the constant sanctions and wars.

>>509206580
Not necessarily true. I believe Spaniards cluster closer to Russians than to Moroccans lol.

>>509206740
North Italians cluster closer to Switzerland/southern Germany because of Celtic ancestry, I dont think it has anything to do with Germanic invasions. North Italy was called Cisalpine Gaul in Roman times.

>>509206787
Is this real fr? Are you a North italianoid? What % of S Italian and Greek ancestry is non-WHG/ANF/WSH?

>>509207991
wait, minoans had what fraction of founding populations?
ok interesting, so post bronze age anatolia is closer to persia and levant, didnt know that.
So the inflow is still persia-Levant even if its mediated from anatolia

>>509204254 (OP)
If spaniards are white why did they create the phillipines?

>>509206787
Shitalian projecting. Don't you ever dare set foot in Greece, faggot.

>>509208201
yes for sure iberians (me) cluster closer to any european population than to moroco, and by the way, what little we cluster to NA is from gene flow from iberia to NA and not the other way around, NA themselves already have a european component so it muddys the water when doing clustering analysis, however of iberia where land connected to moroco it would be a different story

>>509208310
huh? wtf

>>509208310
Philippines is an aryan country doe

>>509208378
>greek insulting an italian
Bruh

>>509208378
the print you showed proves his point

>>509208378
Hey look, a Turkish rapebaby

>>509208441
I read that North Africans and Arabs were never more than 10% of the population of Iberia during Al Andalus. So modern mass migration is already literally worse than medieval Islamic conquest

>>509208520
Mostly just banter. What else is this place good for? Not gonna take anything here particularly serious. Anyways, don't ever think of invading again.

>>509208555
Oh noooooooooooo.
70-85% ancient, how much is going to be near east? I'm gonna ask grok now about Portugal. BRB

>>509208378
>LLM babble
figures, it's also not aware of the much more recent and complete studies, like Olalde's

>>509208201
this should give you a rough idea of what's going on, EEF = croatia_N_cardial, WHG = Germany_meso, WSH = Yamnaya, notice as you move eastward in the mediterranean it's not just a matter of differing steppe but also extra sources from MENA

>>509208648
yup true, but what saved us is two things
1 the arab armies where mostly berbers
2 the muslims got expeled after the reconquista and never really mixed with the population
with regards to the current situation the shitskins are mostly kept in the big cities and they dont mix at any significant level with the natives so Reconquista 2.0 will begin

>>509208658
the kraut jew having the lowest IQ takes of the thread
sure go asky mommy about portugal

>>509208658
by the way, did you even read the screenshot what you posted? Does kraut reading skill meet the minimum requirements to read more than the first sentence ?

>>509204254 (OP)
What is your opinion of Ilia topuria's outstanding performance?

>>509208719
>The AI is not aware of recent data
?????????????????????????????? That's sure some brutal cope if I've ever seen one.

>>509208555
>>509208880
>>509209001
seething

>>509208796
is this a modern day sampling or an ancient dna sample? what is the croatia group?

>>509208796
Damn lol. Maybe modern Greece and S Italy really shouldn't be considered European.

>>509208796
Although the Greek Peloponnesian bar is very European. Maybe just the islands aren't Europoors

>>509209147
he references only Lazaridis 2017, which has 0 actual formal analysis on the continuity in the region, whereas you have Olalde's 2023 study which does precisely that: you are clearly ideologically motivated so there's no point in even talking with you

>>509209150
the targets are modern, the sources ancient
but I can add some ancient targets too for comparison, good example would be seeing Sicily, notice how from IA to Greek to modern Sicilians you have collapse of EEF ancestry

>>509208719
at this point its just better to sample by founding population dna than checking recent gene flow from one area to another, otherwise in places where there is intermitent bydirectional gene flow for milenia the data becomes meaningless. Is NA was borderline colonised by mediteranians during the roman time and then inflow up north hundreds of years later it seems like a new population is mixing in when in reality is the same population just a different lineage.

>>509204254 (OP)
this piece of mooroccan shit is trying divide and conquer tactics now like the abrahamite kike-minded muzzrat he is

GET THE FUCK OUT OF FRANCE

YOU DON'T BELONG THERE

SHITSKIN FAGGOT MUZZRAT NAFRI

SWARTHY FILTHY MOOOOROCAN SANDNIGGER

>>509209594
i'm french with spanish ancestry nigger.

>>509208719
Have you retard EVER visited that link? Look at Greek_Macedonia. the "Ancient Greek" part matches the black part on picrel. Do early Medieval Slavs not count as "Eastern-European related"?

And what about Bulgaria? They are mostly Slavic, no ancient greek. Which ethnic justifies them being more than 50% in black? It can't be the Medieval Slav as we've seen with Greek_Macedonia.

>>509209638

YOU ARE A FUCKING FILTHY MOOOOOOROCCAN SANDNIGGER NAFRI

GET THE FUCK OUT OF FRANCE

YOU DON'T BELONG THERE

FILTHY FUCKING SANDNIGGER

>>509209644
where do you think I got the >>509209340 screenshot, ideological clown?
that image is just estimating the direct Slavic ancestry, look at the supplementary for the more in depth models using other sources
pajeet tier denial, classic fellaheen behavior

>>509209507
>those modern Sicily bars

It's joever

>>509205072

>>509209740
I am brown and circumcized can i have work visa? What kind of janny work can i get in formerly al andalusia?

>>509209740
you're hysterical

>>509209748
reeeeeeeee :)

>>509209748
dont waste time with him

I saw a D&C thread made by French flag a few weeks ago about Spaniards are defiling Southern France genetic. Have you changed the target to Italy now?

>>509204790
>trying to divide med bromance
as if we are ever gonna forget the "pigs" psyop
the bromance only intensifies with such threads

>>509208719
That link doesn't even include that image you dumb vpn roachshit

Why do people even care what ethnicity another person has? As long as it's not from Africa or India or anything related I don't have a problem with it.

>>509210064
the image was composed from the data given in the supplementary
you lot are pathetic, like pajeets, unable to keep ideology separated from science

>>509210257
it never says anything about "ancient greeks" and everything else you took out of context unironic 80 iq ROACH

>>509210075
europe has a complex interplay of founding populations and many genetic studies done with diferent referance populations lead to a lot of infighting and discussion even among academia, mostly because europe and the surrounding area through the ages has different ratios of autossomal dna and so debate arrises as to from where does X population belong or what % of Y does X have during th eiron age or medieval age etc, when in reality what matters is what % of WHG - EHG - ANF - WSH does the population have, if its at least 90% of any of those then its european

>>509204254 (OP)
Greeks and Italians are the only true Europeans, rest of Europe are usurpers

>>509210372
more gaslighting, Aegean_BA_IA = classical era Greeks
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR WE PELASGIAN WE FROM THE GROUND SAAAAAAR WE ALEXANDERS 110% SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR FUCK U ALBANIAN SCIENCE SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>509210509
the switcharro

>>509208796
This makes a lot of sense for anyone who has actually been to Greece, both small town and Athens
There's a wide gradient of phenotypes, some Greeks have blue eyes and blonde/light brown hair whereas some look like straight up Iranians/Persians - which makes perfect sense since even before the Ottoman en-shittification of Greece the Ancient Greeks were very East-facing in terms of trade and culture

>>509210389
>what % of WHG - EHG - ANF - WSH does the population have, if its at least 90% of any of those then its european

So modern Romans aren't European? Lol
>>509209507

>>509210512
"Ancient Greeks" consisted of over 50+ genetically unique city-states and micro-nations, you dumb fat guido nigger

>>509210635
modern romans have high ANF

>>509210656
yeah keep going with the gaslighting, I guess we can't talk about anyone's genetics because there's different towns!
ask Herodotus himself what did he think about the two major Greek races of antiquity and whether Athenians and Ionians were different races
the Aegean_BA-IA is such a good proxy that it's found rather uniformly all the way west in fucking Spanish colonies like Empuries, it was a pretty stable genetic cluster

>>509210687
Modern Romans' (Italian Lazio) combined WHG/ANF/WSH is only 70% if the posted data is correct.

>>509210512
You are the only pajeet here literal roach trying so hard with his vpn every single day, squatting on the remains of great civilizations, absolutely worthless people, 90 million turkjeets crammed in a country that's 80% desert, doing absolutely nothing but being poor, dying to earthquakes and larping as some great power both on the internet and irl. You will NEVER have any connection to those great civilizations. You will NEVER turkic, you will NEVER be anatolian, you will ALWAYS be an iranian/arab mutt.

>>509210919
Modern day Turks are the slave/peasant class of the Ottoman Empire. All the great people and warriors of Ottoman Empire were Greek, Slavic, Albanian, Bulgar, etc

>>509210919
concession accepted, keep screeching about how I guess every scientist is paid by albanian mafia to make you look less than 100% identical to Greek stone age hunter gatherers

>>509209507
this data is pointless, the populations themselves being used as ref are very overlaped, its like saying Texas has a 40% newYork component and a 20% Arizona Component and a 40% california component, ok sure, but what is the ratio of founding populations in the autosomal dna

>>509211014
These dudes look like they are having more fun than some guys ITT. Good for them, kek

>>509211031
>the populations themselves being used as ref are very overlaped
literally meaningless babble, I posted ancients in it too precisely for this purpose, you have to explain why Sicani score as much EEF as Sardinians and modern Sicilians much less
special pleading is not an argument

>>509210913
how do you compute that from the graph?
>>509209507
are you assuming the armenia chalcolothic has 0% overlap with ANF?

>>509211141
>are you assuming the armenia chalcolothic has 0% overlap with ANF?
it's absolutely different enough that the least squares algorithm can tell the difference, hence the systematically different results when comparing ancients to modern
again, are you going to post anything more than special pleading and tell me why Sardinians score little of it while Sicilians lots of it using the very same source populations?

>>509211030
>>509211140
Italians have never produced anything, you are copy-cats of Greeks. Ancient Rome was a shitty copy of Greece that lasted 250 years, just like Ottomans were a crappy copy of Byzantines that last 300 years.

Last time you guido's acted up, Greeks stacked Italian bodies to make artificial mountains in the Epirus mountains. Learn your place, you are not the Master, you are a puppet, you have no place except as Greece's loyal partner.

>>509210512
>>509210919
Being a pajeet would be an improvement for you irrelevant fucks

>>509211140
im not discussing that, i dont know enough of that region to debate and I dont even know what you are fighting about, and btw EEF is just and offshoot of ANF

Oh hey its that somali again

>>509211318
>Being a pajeet would be an improvement for you irrelevant fucks


Nobody would ever go that low

>>509211255
i was talking to the ameribro that said that romans have less than 70% WHG ANF EHG WSH.
I wasnt talking about your stuff

>>509209792
hey look it's my country!
wow
happy Canada day

>>509211368
ANF is by definition northwest Anatolians from 6000BC, but Anatolia itself changed significantly since then with lots of incomers from the caucasus-iran and levant regions, in fact, it was already stratified 10000 years ago, so calling everything "ANF" is like calling every drink "water"

>>509211255
that discrpancy could be due to the genetic data sample being small, as in the sequence used to identify population A being so small that only population with direct contact show it in their DNA, otherwise all humans would have a 99% overlap with eachother

>>509211568
point being?

>>509204254 (OP)
>Calabria, Campania
>'it*lians'
Siculo-neapolitans!='it*lians'. Btw, the former term is a genetic reality, the latter term is a demented hoax.
Why is it so difficult to nail those facts into poltards rotten brains ?

Reminder.
French flag spotted spamming nigger dicks in the catalog.

>>509211642
>that discrpancy could be due to the genetic data sample being small, as in the sequence used to identify population A being so small that only population with direct contact show it in their DNA
yeah don't bother if you have to make shit up on the spot and again use special pleading, this is what it is, the data is wrong because something went wrong ad hoc, even if it apparently went wrong ad hoc with incredible consistency with history and uniparental data
>>509211715
EEF is pretty distinguishable, there's no need to invoke how 10k+ years ago yeah the popolationn ancestral to EEF, proto-ANF, also contributed to populations of west Asia, nowadays with DNA you can even detect the Anglo-Saxon migration and it was two neighbors separated by a short water distance

>>509211316
>'it*lians' have never produced anything
That is certainly true. It is difficult to produce something when you don't exist.

>>509211861
I dont even get your point I none of my comments was about the italian greek thing

>>509210509
>"Minoan Lassithi"
imagine being forced to cherry pick an irrelevant marker to prove 'it*ly' is a thing. Stop daydreaming Calogero, embrace your Siculo-neapolitan heritage and live happy with it.

>>509205499
Lol cope.

>>509205983
>Someone has to be on the edge.
They don't if there's no foreign admixture.

>>509212136
the fucking basques have the highest WHG of all europe and still they only have 30% WHG
shut the fuck up you stupid nigger

>>509212333
The im lonely and cant afford a Romanian or eastern euro whore thread so im gonna post like a faggot on 4chan thread

>>509212598
dafuck?
what in the amerinigger ?

>>509211980
I was expanding on your reply "are you assuming the armenia chalcolothic has 0% overlap with ANF?"
the reason for my choices in the model are precisely to show the consistent differences in what the algorithm has to choose, even if, say, you have pop A = pop X + pop B and pop C = pop Y + pop B, the algorithm can still tell the difference between pop A and pop C despite the commonality in pop B, when it's so ancient and pop X and pop Y so different
Global25 at best has troubles distinguishing insular Celtic from Germanic ancestry, with that you'd have to be more careful

>>509204254 (OP)

>>509212794
ok sure i can take that for granted, I dont know the inner workings of that algorithm, I haave however worked with statistics mostly for TDA, I was just saying that all anatolian populations have an overlap, as in a low fst distance so, even of modern romans dont have 90% + WHG ANF etc they do have 90%+ of WHG - (...) and a population that is similar to ANF... >>509210389

>>509213167
well it's not that small, Armenia chalcolithic has lots of caucasus-iran ancestry which is VERY different from EEF, and likewise Israel_PPNB has natufian ancestry which is quite differentiated, sure, you could say that within whatever e.g Sicilians score of these west asian sources, a part of it being proto-ANF is not as alien
nevertheless it has implications insofar as understanding how those modern populations formed and how they differ within a broadly caucasian focus

I can do that, change the model and use much older sources, but now not only the fit is worse, but that Marmara_Barcin ANF proxy is absorbing sources of ancestry that are separated by maybe 10k+ years, partly true EEF from neolithic Europe, partly ANF from stone age middle east, so it's swooping up very geographically and temporally distant sources