Why do right wingers, conservatives and /pol/ generally deny the existence of cholesterol and LDL bad effects on the cardiovascular system ?

>>509228227 (OP)
No I just do cardio

this makes me want to go drink a fifth liquor to clear out my arteries immediately

>>509228365
It's bad for the liver and possibly increase LDL cholesterol as well

Only dry red wine is good due to antioxidants

Yeah, I'm going to need to see undeniable proof he's unvaccinated before we move on to blaming the food or exercise. Thanks.

>>509228227 (OP)
No one denies it but how is your image relevant to this thread?

>>509228531
>>509228531
>Only dry red wine is good due to antioxidants
you think this greasy meatsweat faggot wasn't drinking glasses of red wine too?
it's a part of their meme fad diet lifestyle

>>509228734
are you a retard?
his cholesterol was through the roof for years and he made it worse with his shit diet

>>509228227 (OP)
If you're vaxxed, just relax. Don't get that heart rate up. Exercise can be deadly for the vaxxies.

>>509228227 (OP)
watched the liver king talk about how he has to shit in the fetal position via enema

>>509228833
What exactly is the shit diet?

Why are threads always a left wing asking something stupid? Why are there no real discussions? Why are all discussions controlled?

>>509228227 (OP)
Weird
I have been on 6 eggs a day for several years and my cholesterol has always been well within the healthy range. A little on the low side of the healthy range, too. I get it checked annually.
The problem with these twats who broadcast what they eat on the internet, typically don't 100% stick with the diet they boast about. Like YouTube vegans getting busted eating McDonald's every so often

>>509228227 (OP)
Cool story bro, meanwhile no one else is having a problem. He used to be a fat fuck, couldn't be from when he was a fat fuck - no, it has to be from healthy living. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE 400LBS FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE.

>>509229228
I would assume that his problem was probably eating too much fucking butter and bacon instead of actual meat (or eggs).

>>509229020
Meat good veggies bad.

>>509228780
>Sausage fingers typed this

How do you know he wasn't injecting lard in his veins? You don't. All these health buffs are incredibly retarded. They get a few things right but the things they get wrong are insanely cringe and dumb

Probably has thin bones too

>>509228227 (OP)
Just go on a run fatties

>the majority of cholesterol in your body is produced by your body
>cholesterol is in every cell of your body, it makes up your nervous system, it's used to make bile and sex hormones, etc
>retarded faggot kike shills like OP still push "cholesterol bad" without knowing a single thing about cholesterol, nutrition, or health in general
Shut the fuck up and kill yourself

VAXXED

>>509229475
>another retard who never heard the word - balance or overconsumption

>>509229228
You just mention 'cholesterol'...

What is it? LDL, HDL, triglycerides or total cholesterol ?

There are many components.

>>509229673
I take it, but it won't solve a thing in the long term.

It only helps your thyroid and reduces clotting and calcium infiltration.

It's too tiny amount to cause any benefit

>>509230834
every single plant you can buy at the store or grow yourself is generically engineered by humans and is poison for people
the balance in "balanced diet" should mean that you eat every micro nutrient that your body needs, all of which you can get from animal products exclusively, it's not the case for plants

>>509230993
>is generically engineered by humans and is poison for people

Explain?

>>509231252
He's a retard that thinks "GMOs bad" and has zero knowledge of which veggies are and are not genetically modified.

>>509231252
the plants that grow naturally are all poison, years ago, some retards had the idea to start cultivating them to try to breed out the toxins, they only reduced them, they did not get rid of them
one of the best ways to know what's good for you is to give the food to a little kid first, not that im advocating this, but the idea is that if the kid spits it out, it's shit for you, they have no filters like the brainwashed people do in these times for example
999 times out of 1000 the kid will spit out broccoli and would rather eat a raw egg instead

>>509231746
every single one that people eat today is cultivated and genetically modified, name one that isnt

>Decades on a glorified Vegan Amerimutt diet + anabolic steroids and/or TRT + a few months of eating well

And the Prussian faggot blames cholesterol, which is made by the human body. KILL YOURSELF.

>>509228940
Another roid head. How does that mean muh cholesterol evil?

>>509231810
>genetically modified
You know apple varieties are also bred specifically to make taste and other properties better

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_breeding

>>509231810
Sounds like he knows nothing of farming. Pesticides is another story.

>>509228227 (OP)
blockages take a long ass time to develop not under a year

>>509231810
There are no genetically modified tomatoes presently on the market.
Ditto for wheat.
GM potatoes exist but many places, including fucking McDonald's, do not use them.
No genetically modified carrots, celery, squash, mustards (broccoli, spinach, cabbage, etc.).

Plants for which a GM cultivar exists on the market at all are a minority.

>>509232078
i realized that i used the wrong words, i meant cultivated, not everything is genetically modified
my bad

>>509231759
>if the kid spits it out, it's shit for you

Yes, kids only like candies and sweet shit. If it's sour, like extra virgin olive oil, kid will probably spit it out too.

Hence we should ban EVOO because of the kid..

When I was a kid I ate tons of ice cream and potato chips (boiled in oil). I guess this is the least toxic food.

>>509229673
>vitamin k
>reducing risk of clotting

>>509232230
any type of plant oil is bad for you, that's why the kid will spit it out, i can guarantee that if you give the kid butter or lard, it will not spit it out
there is no animal on earth that ingests as much concentrated plant oils/fat as humans, there is no animal that can stay healthy after constantly ingesting plant oils
they gave live stock oily food and shit like that in the mid 1900s, but they banned them for the animals because it made the animals sick, and they push it on humans now, that's also why there are so many diseases that never existed before ~100 years ago

>>509231759
I loved broccoli as a kid, it doesn't taste bat at all, just a fresh crunchy vegetable. There is a "bitter gene" that makes people hate vegetables.

>>509232730
you ate it boiled and dipped in sauces to neutralize the toxins and bad taste

>>509228227 (OP)
>cavemen eat 3+ times a day
>the best greasiest stuff even, without ever starving for days or munching on berries
paleoniggers are just as retarded as vaxxies and vegans.

>>509228227 (OP)
why do people need to do all these extreme diets? moderation is best. Eat some meat, eat some fruits and veggies, eat some bread (real bread not fake wonder bread), eat some dairy

it's not fucking difficult there's no secret super-diet. Eat moderately and exercise, don't be fat. that's it

>>509228227 (OP)
The real black pill is most of this is genetics and your behavior has a marginal impact on it.

>>509228227 (OP)
Because it's due to your sugar intake.

>>509228227 (OP)
He was just unlucky.

>>509228227 (OP)
Humans are meant to die. This is a fact of life and no matter what you do you will die somehow. These idiots are running around pretending they can live forever if they just do the right steps.

>>509234370
That guy looks to be in his mid 40's.
If he's having these sorts of problems at his age, he's clearly doing something wrong.

>>509228227 (OP)
the worst thing is to eat partial eggs (especially the yolk).
Eggs are meant to eat wholly, the white balances the yolk, but if you eat the yolk only, you'll get clogged arteries.

God punishes you for breaking the cosmic unity of a whole egg.

>>509228531
All the claims of alcohol's health benefits are from studies funded by Jack Daniels. Objective research uniformly shows health damage beginning with even the most moderate drinking, and proportionately worse with increased consumption. There is literally zero benefit from drinking any amount of alcohol.

>>509233793
this

Eating all that red meat and cholesterol is terrible for you. No matter what Joe Rogan says.

>>509235808
>There is literally zero benefit from drinking any amount of alcohol.
>humanity has done it for thousands of years
your priest at billy bobs thirds penticostal of heavenly financial told you so or did you learn this at your local walmart ?

>>509228227 (OP)
Don't eat cows

>>509236058
eating meat is what you'd eat in nature, retard

>>509236627
And in nature you'd die in your 40's or 50's.
But you'll probably blame that on the "gatherer" part of "hunter-gatherer."

>>509236761
>And in nature you'd die in your 40's or 50's.
that's an assumption, you dont even know if 1000 years happened
>But you'll probably blame that on the "gatherer" part of "hunter-gatherer."
what paid individuals say about what humans did gorillions of years ago is a made up assumption, like most of history

>>509237121
Then why are you making claims about what people were eating in nature?

>>509228227 (OP)
Meat works well.
Eating butter on steak is not something that works well.
Fried bacon and eggs is less than ideal.
Having shitty genetics that cause constrictions before your cholesterol can even be considered is suboptimal too.
>/pol/ generally deny the existence of cholesterol and LDL bad effects
Because if you aren't a skinny nigger-tier genetic reject: cholesterol converts to testosterone, and converts well. This nigger isn't able to use or metabolize that, due to genetic defect or complete lack of an appropriate workout regime to create demand for conversion.
>LDL specifically
Requires exercise to manage, no amount of diet will fix inactivity. Don't blame good food for your slothly habits.

>>509237233
because the only edible thing in a world where humans built nothing but small shelters and never cultivated plants are animal products, shit like honey and fruit

>>509229097
You know why

>>509228227 (OP)
Whoever told people to eat high amounts of eggs needs to be sent to prison for life. You idiots are clogging your arteries and fucking up your livers..

>>509237371
As well as tubers/root vegetables. And seeds. Lots of leafy greens were edible and available to them as well. Flowers too.
You might be able to make this argument about grains but before cultivation they more than likely chewed on the grains which is why they started cultivating them in the first place.

>>509237636
tell me how does dietary cholesterol clog peoples arteries

>>509228227 (OP)
the human brain is 60% cholesterol
if you don't eat cholesterol you're stupid

>>509228227 (OP)
Vaxx status?

>>509228227 (OP)
It is something sigma grindset hustlers don't want to accept, but some people are born with shit genes that will kill them regardless of whatever actions they take in life. Some people are born with a tendency for narrow bloodvessels, a tendency for arterial plaque buildup, a tendency for all sorts of unfortunate things, and they could spend their entire life living as healthy as possible and still keel over a die young regardless.

>>509237667
>As well as tubers/root vegetables. And seeds. Lots of leafy greens were edible and available to them as well. Flowers too.
all of those have toxins, especially seeds, that's why they taste so bad, not everything that you once read in a textbook is the truth, but you do you, i cant stop you from eating toxic food that will make you die faster
>You might be able to make this argument about grains...
grains are just carbs, you need way more micronutrients than just carbs to live

>>509237935

Up the butt

>>509229097
This board was usable when iran was bombing israel

Now the israeli spam is back

>>509228227 (OP)
I don't like them as people so i want them destroying themselves.
Listen rightoid goyim, teh joos is indeed trying to poison you with carbs like joe rogan said.

>>509237869
Thats not saturated fat in your brain, only good and fast absorbing nutrients are found in liver, eggs livers nuts and green leaf is all you have to eat

>>509238212
Also fish and flaxseeds

>>509232230
>>509232078
>>509231252
>>509230952
>>509230893
Why are you trying to argue right wing scum out of premature death?

>>509236479
make you feel good
doesn't make you good

>>509238000
>all of those have toxins, especially seeds, that's why they taste so bad
They don't taste bad.
Your argument basically amounts to "I don't like thing therefore nobody ate them ever even in a setting where food wasn't as abundant as today."
Hungry people will put any old shit in their stomach. There is some minor toxicity associated with most plants but we've adapted quite well to handle them to the point that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks by an absurd margin.

>grains are just carbs
Dunning-Kruger. Grains have a lot of micronutrients. Granted, a lot are removed in modern processing techniques.
>you need way more micronutrients than just carbs to live
This is correct. Which is why a varied diet where you get your calories from many different sources is ideal.

>>509238212
>>509238296
Dreadful diet advice

>>509231746
Plants are bred to be pest or even pesticide resistant, hardy to transport, look good and then sometimes tasty. Nutrition is not on the list and it is compounded due to fertilizing - thus eg. one orange today equals 1/4 of orange of lets say beginning of xx century.
Meat and treated in thr same way with a side of eliminating fat - that lowers the taste. Ive had real pre-new guidelanes homegrown pork once. Once, while 8 years old. I remember the taste abd color and smell and it was 24 years ago.

>>509228227 (OP)
This dude is on steroids; his head is huge. Also, I bet he drinks like a fish. OP is a communist jew trying to get normal people back on goyslop. Get fucked, you bug eating faggot.

>>509228227 (OP)
Is this the part of the charade where we all pretend like ketogenic diet didn't always require intermittent fasting?

>>509238558
He is just a manlet.

>>509238462
Show this mythical varied diet that gets all your vitamins and minerals

>>509238558
Nooooo ugly mexican nazi, don't kill yourself with 10x more than optimal saturated fat intake!
NOOOOOOOO!

>>509238524
>one orange today equals 1/4 of orange of lets say beginning of xx century.
This is a myth.
There is a statistically significant drop in nutrients density by weight (not nearly as big as you're asserting) but per fruit it's not far removed.
Oranges got bigger and so the micros are more sparsely distributed throughout.
I'm not saying this is a good thing. But you were essentially lied to about this topic.

>>509238462
>Your argument basically amounts to...
strawman, my argument is that if you wouldnt eat it in nature, you shouldnt eat it ever, im appealing to nature
>There is some minor toxicity associated with most plants but we've adapted quite well to handle them to the point that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks by an absurd margin.
no we didnt, you read that in a textbook and choose to believe it, in reality, humans dont have digestive systems that can ferment plants like cows or gorillas do, our guts are made to digest meat
>Dunning-Kruger.
im not claiming that i know everything, at best, im just wrong
>Grains have a lot of micronutrients.
list this "a lot"

>>509228227 (OP)
>bro you can heal damage you've done to your body in less than a year

>>509238500
Liver king diet > Joe Rogan diet - steroids and supplements peddling

>>509231746
>veggies
Is a word we made up, to sell goyim pig food.

>>509238860
>But you were essentially lied to about this topic
We have been lied to about every single topic for generations now. The concept of Truth isn't even an established idea in the modern world. The last and final morsel of reliable information we have is: never trust anything said by a jew

Every American is destined for triple bypass heart surgery and the meatlords are speedrunning it

What are these right wingers

I'm a national socialist and an atheist who believes in the fact of evolution, so I believe humans are obligate omnivores that are meant to eat fruit, fish, and fowl.

>>509238842
Some meat, some fruit, some veggies, some nuts, some grains. If you're deficient in something, eat more sources of it.

>>509238950
>my argument is that if you wouldnt eat it in nature, you shouldnt eat it ever,
And I'm saying you would be eating veggies in nature. You assert that people wouldn't be because they "taste bad." I did not strawman you.

>humans dont have digestive systems that can ferment plants like cows or gorillas do
We cannot digest cellulose. Good thing cellulose was not part of my argument.

>list this "a lot
Pic related, per 1 cup.

>>509228664
This is the only reasonable approach.

>>509239346
>And I'm saying you would be eating veggies in nature.
>We cannot digest cellulose. Good thing cellulose was not part of my argument.
you cannot digest fibers in general, that's why when you eat salad, most of it goes through you, in the process of doing that it starts rotting inside you for the 1-2 days it's inside you
that's why your farts smell so bad for example
>pic
i admit, this is me moving goalposts, but it still goes with my argument
now show how much of those you can absorb after the oxalates in them reduce your ability to absorb them

>>509228227 (OP)
I don't, I had a blood test recently and my cholesterol is mildly in the wrong areas and I'm trying to get healthier.

>>509228344
What cardio do you do? Running?

>>509239805
it's only in the wrong area if it's low

>>509228227 (OP)
The sugar industry paid for fraudulent research proving that sugar was healthy. How many people died of diabetes because we were told that sugar was safe?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html
https://foodscience.news/2021-06-11-1960s-sugar-industry-paid-science-blame-fat.html
https://nature.berkeley.edu/garbelottoat/?p=1867

Glycation and skin damage
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9655929/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5643203/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20620757/

Two decades of Alzheimer’s research was based on deliberate fraud by 2 scientists that has cost billions of dollars and millions of lives.

What should the punishment be for scientific fraud that costs lives?

https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/two-decades-of-alzheimers-research-was-based-on-deliberate-fraud-by-2-scientists-that-has-cost-billions-of-dollars-and-millions-of-lives/

>>509228227 (OP)

>>509228227 (OP)
They're just retarded and fell for the grifters. In science you have to look at the total available evidence, you have to actually read and understand the papers and not just cherry pick them like grifters tend to do. The grifters also cherry pick studies and/or misrepresent or misunderstand studies and retards parrot the same shit. I've had many discussions here on /pol/ about this topic and they pick weak evidence over strong evidence. Animal/mechanistic studies over randomized controlled trials in humans for example. Or they link a study but they fail to read it properly and they misunderstand the conclusions.

Cholesterol is one of those things that people love to argue about because it's so fucking complex and people get lost in the mechanistic details. It ultimately boils down to people not understanding weight of evidence and falling for grifters because of it.

>>509229228
Trust the Science™!

>>509239659
>you cannot digest fibers in general
Which is basically the definition of dietary fiber. Yes. Cellulose is a big contributer here.
You'd be surprised how little fiber is actually in most vegetables. You can extract meaningful amounts of energy from vegetables just fine.

>how much of those you can absorb after the oxalates in them reduce your ability to absorb them
Oxalate sensitivity is fairly specific to you. If you already have digestive issues, there's going to be more of an impact than if you're healthy. Some bacteria in your gut actually break the stuff down.

>>509228531
Red wine is full of tanins, which cause gout, which leads toall soets of rheumatoid chronic diseases. necrosis and death. Gout medication loses efficiency every time you try to treat a new flare up. Gout medication causes heart attacks. All alcoholic beverages are poison.

>>509240170
>you have to actually read and understand the papers and not just cherry pick them like grifters tend to do
reading words from a piece of paper is not science, retard
it's academia and dogma, not to mention all the study sponsors that pay them to agree with them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3eMWLG7Rro

>>509229294

>>509236479
Humanity has done lots of things for pleasure, doesn't mean its healthy.

>>509232291
Is that wrong?

>>509232806
I can eat it raw and it doesn't taste bad. You are just incorrect. Are you like those flat earther schizos who refuse to accept they are wrong about even the basics?

>all these knownothing morons and shills chiming in with their awful advice
Eat raw animal products from unmedicated animals if you actually care about your health

>>509229689
>>509228227 (OP)
this, run or skate a few miles a day and you don't have to worry about this stuff, even walking a few miles to the store everyday helps instead of driving everywhere.

>>509230993
Okay I’m not one to bite hard on these shitposts but yours is masterfully crafted, meat and animal products contain all nutrients needed, I’m pretty sure you can survive with all necessary nutrients off eggs alone.
With plant diets this is much more difficult you must eat tons of different plants to get the same nutrients from just one animal product and usually these nutrients aren’t as bioavailable as they are in animal form. Vegans have difficulty just achieving a normal protein intake from all sources in general

>>509240076
Sugar industry does sugar industry things, who cares. The scientific consensus on sugar hasn't changed, we know it's bad in excess and have known this for a long time. The sugar industry could only fool the media and retards that take a single study and think it's the scientific consensus.
>What should the punishment be for scientific fraud that costs lives?
The problem is that it isn't that simple to claim "fraud". Take for example a study done by coca cola. They compared children's performance in school and they found that children that drank coke performed better than those that didn't.
THE MEDIA: BREAKING NEWS ALL SCHOOL CHILDREN SHOULD BE DRINKING COCA COLA
Reality: They compared children given coke with children that didn't get anything to eat for hours (breakfast was skipped).

You can design ANY study in a similar fashion and the meat and egg industry does the same shit. There are countless studies financed by the industry that show that eating for example one egg does not raise cholesterol at all. How do they do it? They select people already eating a ton of cholesterol and give them 1 egg and compare them to people who also eat a ton of cholesterol. The result: no statistically significant rise in cholesterol. Now take someone who barely eats cholesterol in their diet and give them one egg every day and the results would be different. This is because it's not a linear relationship between ingestion of cholesterol and blood levels. There's also the issue of individual differences, some people uptake cholesterol more readily than others through diet.

>>509240300
(((dr eli))) or (((dr greger)))?

why don't people just fast every now and then
I do it like twice a month, feel fucking great afterwards

>>509228227 (OP)
important question: how long has he been a carnivore for?

this stuff doesnt appear overnight mind you

>>509228227 (OP)
High LDL alone is a minimal risk factor for heart disease.

>>509241077
whats cholesin mr cholesterol scholar

>>509228531
Holy shit you’re retarded do you get all your health info from magazine covers?

>>509240305
again, you do not have the digestive system to digest most of it to make it into the energy you're claiming
you can directly correlate the amount of shit you shit out with how much plants you eat, meaning you digest way less of it than animal products for example
in my anecdote, i eat mostly animal products and some carbs, all of that is digestable, and i shit on average twice a week

>>509228344
can't outrun high cholesterol retard. whatever response you make just know you're fucking wrong.

>>509229485
You're retarded or nogger minded if you aren't on the side of the illuminati at this point

>>509240552
i can eat a lego brick raw and it tasted good when dipped in sauces, that doesnt make it good for me
>Are you like those flat earther schizos who refuse to accept they are wrong about even the basics?
im the guy who probably argued the most with polish schizo

>>509229228
this thread is frustrating. high saturated fat and low fiber is the cause of high LDL.

>>509241006
im not shitposting, sorry
>With plant diets this is much more difficult
it's not difficult, its impossible, plants or the magic fungus that vegans eat dont provide more than 10 micros, that's why vegans are so unhealthy

>>509241504
Repeatedly asserting something does not make it true, nor does it convince anybody when you're speaking to real people and not NPCs like yourself.

>>509241365
>you do not have the digestive system to digest most of it to make it into the energy you're claiming
And I'm explaining to you that more plant matter is digestible than you think.
2 second on Google shows a cup of chopped carrots has a little over 12 grams of carbs and a little under 4 grams of fiber. That 4 grams represents the indigestible portion of the carrot.
I'm not about to argue about the health impacts of dietary fiber with you because that's a whole other rabbit hole. But I'll add that just because something isn't digestible doesn't mean there's no benefit to eating it.

>>509241504
high LDL is caused by high blood sugar that keeps damaging LDL thus creating sdLDL that is responsible for most CV damage people suffer from

>>509228227 (OP)

stfu yuropoor fagget. nobody cares about fake news. go big or go home... 'murica.

>>509228227 (OP)
That is a grifter, he lied about his diet and exercise. He then used drugs to achieve the build. The exact same as every other fitness grifter.

>>509228227 (OP)
>Somehow the food we've been consuming for hundreds of thousands of years is akshually poison, goyim

the yuropoor mind can't imagine picrel. probably banned for faggy reasons. exceeding your sugar ration, or whatever other 1984 communist muzzie socialist bame gay idea.

>>509228227 (OP)
Vaxxed

>>509240332
Post covid-19 brain rot, the post.
>>509241289
I'm not an expert on the mechanisms of cholesterol but I understand enough to know it's a complex topic. To me, details of mechanisms within the body are not important. What ultimately matters to me are health outcomes.

>>509228227 (OP)
Vaccine status?

>>509228227 (OP)
Because right wingers are evil a d they want people to die

>>509241848
>And I'm explaining to you that more plant matter is digestible than you think.
not true, we will need to agree to disagree here
the more you shit, the less of the food you ate and actually absorbed, now compare how much vegans shit with how much people who only eat animal products shit
the difference is clear as day
>>509242322
how so?

>>509242664
Left wingers are evil and they want people to die

>>509239346
>veggies
Anytime you veggie eating retards come in here I want to break your neck.
Veggies not only taste like shit but aren't efficient in feeding humans. Hence why most vegans and vegetarians are frail and pale.
You've bought into the lie of eating green shit you can't digest well.
Fermented greens are better but not much.
But to honest go ahead down another cup of Monsanto flavored spinach. Just so it kills you faster.

>>509228227 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsVg2Zyffg

>>509228227 (OP)
the body makes cholesterol. they are needed for hormones.
there is a theory that inflammation in the blood vessels causes the body to deposit cholesterol while trying to deal with it. i like the theory.
we can point at studies that have patients with normal cholesterol suffering heart attacks.
>In a population, a lower LDL level is—on average—associated with a lower risk of heart attack. But about half of all heart attacks occur in people with "normal" cholesterol levels. An individual person may have a whole range of other conditions that could raise the risk. Some of the best-known ones are smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, and a lack of physical activity. Other potential contributors include secondhand smoke and air pollution. In addition, there are likely genetic and lifestyle factors that we don't fully understand.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/ask-the-doctor-heart-attack-despite-low-cholesterol
tldr; cholesterol isn't the cause but the symptom.

I haven't done cardio in like ten years. I'm not fat though because I smoke a pack a day. Is it over for me /pol/?

>>509242687
>the more you shit, the less of the food you ate and actually absorbed
Poop is also a means for your body to eliminate waste, not just from the food you eat but also natural metabolic processes. Poop is brown because of dead red blood cells being escorted out of the body for example.
I'm not vegan. But I do eat a varied diet and even enjoy my fair share of objectively bad goyslop on occasion.
I'm 5'11" 160 lbs. with no known health issues. And I poop once per day.
If I wanted to build some muscle, I'd get more meat in my diet but the diet I eat suits the lifestyle I live.

>>509242878
Read the discussion. You are uneducated on this topic.

>>509243303
>Poop is also a means for your body to eliminate waste
this is the whole point of my argument, the more plants you eat, the more waste you produce compared to just eating animal products and carbs in my anecdote from before
>varied diet
i hate this phrase so much, its actual brainwash, you can survive off eating just cow meat your whole life, you dont need any variety, all you need are the micros
>You are uneducated on this topic.
and since when is everything that's written on the internet or in textbooks the truth? you're here on /pol/ you should know better

>>509241848
>That 4 grams represents the indigestible portion of the carrot.
>indigestible

>>509228227 (OP)
Idiocy

>>509228227 (OP)
Vaxxies cope in many different ways while they scream two more weeks at me.
I never said anything about 2 more weeks. I’ve just been sitting back watching random people irl have heart/cancer problems at a rate of 4x what I remember before 2020.
It’s a shame that there’s no refunds and they’d rather listen to corrupt jews than a friendly gardener who really cares about nature and humanity.
Nature is king.
Reject all kikery.

>>509243303
>Read the discussion. You are uneducated on this topic
Why not just post your blood work (you've never done it)?
Oh wait your a dysgenic 160lb del.
You have 0 reference other than what you read online.
I'm not a carnivore dieter but you can live high quality life on a carnivore diet over a vegan one that's for sure.

>>509242807
Guess we know where each other stand then.

>>509244773
It was an add on to your statement. Both left and right wingers are evil and want people to suffer and die.

>>509228664
Yes.

>>509245032
I can’t say I disagree but I pick the side that isn’t going to take my health insurance fuck right wingers evil faggots

>>509242687
>how so?
Science is almost all about reading the fucking literature. If you're a researcher example and you don't read the literature you're a moron of the highest degree. Only by understanding what the current state of research is can you begin to start answering the unanswered questions or even begin to contribute anything meaningful. It's extremely rare in science that everyone is blatantly wrong on an issue and no one caught the flaws.
>not to mention all the study sponsors that pay them to agree with them
Literally not an issue. If we have publicly funded studies in many different countries around the world pointing in the same direction then we can be relatively sure that it's not biased.
If you base your understanding on a single study then you're doing it wrong, especially if it's industry funded. You can even exclude industry funded studies if you like when making up your mind on something.
>video
Peer review does have its flaws but if you can prove that everyone else is wrong you can still get past it but your study has to be exceptional. Peer review tends to catch a lot of mistakes before publishing.

>>509246226
>Science is almost all about reading the fucking literature.
this is where i stopped reading, you're actually a dogmatic zealot, digusting

>>509246405
Tiktok videos and Telegram isn't science my man. Neither are your favorite grifters on Youtube.

>>509246752
those are not science, science is a methodology, not the act of reading dogmatic papers, dumkopf

>>509243815
>this is the whole point of my argument, the more plants you eat, the more waste you produce
No. You miss the point. You can't control metabolic waste with a change in diet alone. Pooping less is basically like having the garbage guy pick up your trash less often. It's a problem.

>you can survive off eating just cow meat your whole life, you dont need any variety, all you need are the micros
You can survive off basically any diet. Even a vegan diet is doilable since B12 comes from bacteria in the soil.

>and since when is everything that's written on the internet or in textbooks the truth?
Yeah, we should take your alternative and just pull shit out of our ass instead.
You probably learned your arguments from a fucking youtube video.

>>509246226
>Science is almost all about reading the fucking literature
Worthless appeal to authority.
Define the scientific method.

>>509244669
Where did I ever advocate for a vegan diet you fucking moron?
Meat is healthy. So are veggies.

>>509246226
I SMELL REDDIT. GET HANS OUT OF HERE.
in all honestly, peer review does not just "have its flaws" and the literature pointing in the same direction does not mean we can be "relatively sure". There are countless examples of the entire literature being completely fucking wrong, and even themselves flip-flopping on issues within a time span of 10 years. If you believe this you just haven't been around long enough, which btw you are forgiven for if you're just some twentysomething talking too much game about ""Science"". Btw, you write like a leftist, if you care about that.

>>509246841
>>509246921
Ah yes, I see you two have reproduced the results from multiple randomized controlled trials all on your own. Next we'll go tell the public they can't trust anything they haven't verified themselves in their own studies.

You two are beyond retarded.

>>509246938
>Where did I ever advocate for a vegan diet
>>509246867
>Even a vegan diet is doilable since B12 comes from bacteria in the soil.
Lol, LMAO even

>>509247096
>There are countless examples of the entire literature being completely fucking wrong, and even themselves flip-flopping on issues within a time span of 10
Come, give me examples.

>>509228227 (OP)
Vaxxie vaxxie gonna have a heart attacky

>>509247145
That is not me advocating a vegan diet any more than advocating a carnivore diet.
Both are retarded. But both are doable.

>>509245965
kek

>>509247142
Again, define the scientific method.
if you are the supposed expert you attempt to pass yourself off as this should be easy.

>>509247142
>Next we'll go tell the public they can't trust anything they haven't verified themselves in their own studies
Or told by people they trust. Why is the medium (yt, tiktok, papers) so important to you? A wrong or harmful idea can be conveyed by all of them, equally a true or useful one.

>>509247206
Cholesterol for one, ironically, recommendations about (red) meat and eggs and dairy and carb-only diets, pretty much all psych drugs discontinued in the last 15 years. man they even got basic shit wrong about muscle energy systems and what vitamins are supposed to do. Antioxidants? Have you actually looked into what supposed benefits they are to have and how they are established? But anyway I can smell a "source?" when I see one. Good luck trusting the Science.
Also for the record, science isn't what's done by scientists, you mongoloid. Anybody can wear a coat and pretend their accreditation makes them a Scientist. Also also I stand by my original point, that if you believe the peer review system is good enough then you simply haven't seen shit yet. It's understandable for the redditor.

>>509228227 (OP)
Wouldn't taking a bunch of Viagra just flush out his arteries?

>>509232135
>Ditto for wheat
>Plants for which a GM cultivar exists on the market at all are a minority.
What is Roundup ready™

>>509247605
There is no roundup ready wheat on the market.

>>509228227 (OP)
I've read every article ever printed where they interview people who lived to 100+. Half of the people claim they never drank or smoked and the other half drank and smoked during the interview. Who the fuck wants to live to 100 regardless? I'm out this bitch at like 70 tops.

>>509246938
Zyou vill eat ze hel'tie boogs
>I miss klause like you wouldn't believe
New villain is kino thoughbeit

>>509231759
>if the kid spits it out
You're using the test wrong.
It's "if the kid fucking dies."
Then you don't eat that shit and pop out another.

>>509236761
>And in nature you'd die in your 40's or 50'
No, generally if you make it to 30 the odds of making it to 70-90 are good. It has been this way since the bronze age.
The 40s-50s number comes from average life span of all born, including every baby that died before a year old.

>>509228227 (OP)
Gotta do ketosis if you're gonna do high fat high cholesterol. Low carb isn't enough, you gotta use all the fuel, it'll go stale sitting in the tank.

Intravenous cholesterol is used in place of testosterone in your body, there's plenty of benefits to a high turnover high fat diet, you should basically always be on a caloric deficit for it.

>>509246867
>Pooping less is basically like having the garbage guy pick up your trash less often.
that is a wrong analogy, you simply produce less trash, because you use up more of the original material
>You can survive off basically any diet.
no you cant, like i already said, plants dont have more than 10 micros, that's why vegans that want to live start eating eggs and shit like that, eating just plants is not sustainable
>Yeah, we should take your alternative and just pull shit out of our ass instead.
im just using logic here, i came up with the arguments myself, especially the amount you shit one

im going to sleep now, enjoyable convo, we can continue in another thread if we get the chance

>>509247426
The medium is less important than the content that is backing it. Some youtube grifter telling you it's fine and natural to smoke tobacco and he's never got cancer is a completely different level of evidence than countless studies that can prove a dose response relationship between tobacco smoking and cancer.
If a Youtube video backs up their claims with links to studies, at least you can see where they're coming from, but in a lot of cases they're just cherry picking whatever they want and/or they misrepresent the study or misunderstand it completely.

>>509237667
>likely chewed on the grains which is why they started cultivating them in the first place
No, the first cultivation of grains was for animal fodder.

>>509247145
He's a low effort man, moob having, veggie shitter. He's completely average in all means and does not try to think about alternative diets because that isn't a safe consensus for him. I would have said general concensus but I'm not quite sure what the zeitgeist even is for a "balanced" diet.
It's the same retards that'll argue with you that fluoride is necessary and is actually good for you!
Or that protein is all the same regardless of its source.
Pro tip. It isn't.
>>509246938
>So are veggies.
Why do veggie niggers always always remind me of the smarmiest little fags around.
I'm not saying certain plants don't have great flavor or medicinal properties but you kale slurping homos need to be mulched in a chipper.

>>509247908
>is a completely different level of evidence than countless studies that can prove a dose response relationship between tobacco smoking and cancer.
No one trusts the Science after COVID 19

>>509247831
This argument really only holds true for civilized society. Pic related only goes back a few hundred years and even it says you're wrong.

>>509228664
thusly

>>509247704
LMAO, ok.

>>509247871
>that is a wrong analogy, you simply produce less trash, because you use up more of the original material
You are, again, missing the point. There is metabolic waste you produce regardless of diet. These fester in your gut if you poop less

>>509247871
>plants dont have more than 10 micros
This is false. You can get all micros except b12 directly from plants (not that I'd recommend it) and b12 you can get from soil.

>>509248056
Wrong. First documented cultivation of grains was for beer.

>>509247908
The same applies to the studies. Cherry-picked data, statistical manipulation and 'replication-crisis' come to mind.
I get your anger and I agree with you, but angrily hating some medium because idiots use it to grift off of other idiots isn't smart either.
Same with tradition, a lot of it is usefull, allthough not studied and written down in papers - but hundreds of years of people using it successfully.
A healthy mix of scientific curiosity, reading and experimenting your self is the best option, imho. Just sad that on some level you can't test yourself and have to trust others - but at that point you can't know for sure. There are a lot of grifters in academia as well.

>>509248251
So the Spanish flu hit the young while COVID killed the old. Anti-historically of course.

>>509248383
Sincerely look it up. There was an incident where an experimental cultivar made its way into the market resulting in steep fines for all parties involved.

>>509248130
I knew covid and the scare behind it was complete bullshit the moment Merkel said "keine Abschottung" (no isolation) in regards to refugees from the middle east, which was at the beginning of covid.
You just don't trust the "science" presented by the media and government. They pushed the vaccines without the decades long trials that they used to do in the past, which is why I didn't take it. Thinking all scientific research is junk because of the media and government is retarded. My takeaway from covid is to distrust the media and government.

you retards were given 2 straight years between 2019-2021 to become vegetarians, even god willing.

fucking dying for your disgusting inane habit of consuming and encouraging continued consuming of the flesh of your atrocious murders is not so bad. you're like retarded cats hiding the remains in the dirt. worse than cats.

>>509248887
>Thinking all scientific research is junk because of the media and government is retarded.
It is. There is a peer review crisis. Until that's resolved and they actually pursue real science, I just assume its all fake and gay. But, I think nukes and satellites are fake and gay too. They don't have half the shit they pretend to have.

>>509248614
>Anti-historically of course
What do you mean by this? 99% of US deaths from Spanish flu were people under 65.
Spanish flu was famous for its abnormal pattern of mortality.

>>509248992
I am a predatory animal, I'm not prey, I don't think like prey. What appeals to prey doesn't appeal to me. I'm here to kill a gazelle and lay on the ground for a day, you go pick leaves, faggot.

>>509228227 (OP)
vaxxed. it wasnt the eggs or butter, nigger lover.

>>509228734
>No one denies it
thats wrong

>>509249296
able slayed animals.
able got killed by cain, who gathered leaves.

lay there, dead weight.

>>509248992
>you retards were given 2 straight years between 2019-2021 to become vegetarians, even god willing.
what? the vegetables have rotted your brain.

>>509248887
>My takeaway from covid is to distrust the media and government.
You don't understand what the fundamental problem is with current "science". Everybody and their grandmother learns about the meme that nobody can trust big corpa doing their own inhouse "science" because...well because what? Because they would fucking lie? Yes, they would lie, but there is also so much pressure to get a certain result and so little funding in trying to prove the opposite that you can't trust the support structure of said science. Well wooptidoo the same is true of many of the things we like to call science. Setting aside the obvious trapfalls that scientists like to build their little empires on results that generate a lot of interest (or "funding" as they like to call it), once government policy is based on the SCIENCE it becomes permanently corrupted by power and instantly useless. Social science studies? Garbage. Psychiatric medication and psychological "clinical" diagnoses? Garbage. The structure of modern science and how it is funded by the government makes most if not all of it complete garbage, and the only things that are somewhat salvagable are the hard sciences or those whose conclusions are immediately tested by reality, like engineering. Unfortunately even the hard sciences are feeling the pain, though not publishing outright bullshit, they seem very capable of meandering into nonsense studies suited only to build some professor's little academic kingdom. Peer review lmao, only a small speck on the giant fucking garbage heap of problems that modern science has.

>>509248887
Academics where in the media and demanded trust.
>>509249296
>gazelle
A canadian gazelle.

>>509228664
PUREBLOOD CHECKING IN

>>509249477
>im like da guh from da bible story
over here in reality im eating steak and slinging big dick in hot babes. you're a malnourished brownoid nigger manlet.

>>509242211
Is that a hot cross bun????? This is bewildering, even for goyslop. Must be a delicia spics like rubio brought from his cultured homeland of the weimar of the Caribbean.

>>509228664
>I'm going to need to see undeniable proof he's unvaccinated before we move on to blaming the food or exercise.
how would one provide this?

>>509248251
>Data set for England and Wales
>Life expectancy for a 30-year old 63.9
>Graph trends upward
Damn you found one subgroup that is slightly off from my generalization.

>>509246752
I would disagree with you. As the toothpaste nigger explains, you sound like you're new to the game.

Medicine is one of the fields where findings are routinely wrong. We're talking about more than 20% of peer reviewed studies just being plain wrong. Nutritional Science is way worse, I gather, because the experimental setup is essentially uncontrollable, much less even than for medicine.

A big case study for catastrophic, systematic failure of an entire subdiscipline is provided by the priming literature in psychology, and the related replication crisis in said field. Another example we're witnessing in the making is Climate Science (give it another 5-10 years).

Incentive systems in modern academia are aligned in a way that, on paper, would necessarily predict such failures. Peer review is part of that. Of course that doesn't mean that you and your advisor and friends from grad school are scheming fakers or flat out stupid. But on a large, statistically governed scale, the science industry doesn't produce Truth. It produces The Science.

You'll come to that conclusion eventually. This doesn't mean you have to discard all scientific results in the literature, of course, but that they should induce much smaller updates on your priors than what you are currently assuming. People are way wronger for way more profane reasons than what you think.

>>509228664
Bingo

>>509228227 (OP)
being "conservative" or "right-wing" is literally just faith in yourself or what you imagine or want badly enough, or what someone else tells you to believe

>>509249684
>We're talking about more than 20% of peer reviewed studies just being plain wrong
bro something like 90% of the studies are funded by the companies that make the shit in theyre studying. you cant trust these niggers at all. cociane good, cigarrete good. eggs good. eggs bad. meat good. meat bad.

gas em all

>>509240076
Your infographic is fake news.

>>509248624
They rebranded it, swapped the solvent ratio and kept selling. Not even an interruption in operation.
They have changed from sueing to bribing to keep people quiet in the US.

>>509249769
midwit nigger cattle alert. that is not what it means at all. this fag goes on r3ddit and shoves bananas up his ass.

>>509249674
And do you have any reason to suspect it's different elsewhere?
Show me one place where your generalization holds true. Just one.

And remember: this data only goes back less than 200 years and your generalization is meant to apply thousands of years in the past.

>>509249808
I'm low balling the numbers and draw modest conclusions to remain persuasive and credible. But you do you.

>>509249879
all data is fake and gay, stop arguing about it retards.

>>509234588
checked, that something was getting vaxxed

>>509249874
stop projecting so hard, anon

>>509249899
i wasn't correcting you , autistic retard. why get defensive and snarky? god damn i hate germans. i hope a nigger kills you.
>but you do you
id have struck you down on the spot for saying that, reddit faggot cocksucker.

>>509229485
Saw a video clip of this guy today. He has a tiny head.

>>509249955
>conservatism is like uhh... just believin in what u believe in... or something someone tells u
you're a fucking retard. this isn't projection. you are a public schooled nigger mutt faggot.

>>509249991
Ok, good to know

>>509248251
>>509249272
>Spanish flu was famous for its abnormal pattern of mortality.
another way of saying it was complete bullshit and the stats were somehow rigged like they were for smallpox, polio and covid

>>509228227 (OP)
It's impossible to discuss this topic with people who fell for grifters and various internet bullshit.
No amount of studies, raw data would move them.
I say let them eat all the meat they want, non stop. LOL.

>>509248584
>Cherry-picked data, statistical manipulation and 'replication-crisis' come to mind.
Happens, but that's why I don't trust any single study. If we have many studies on the same or similar topics from multiple different countries, all publicly funded, and they all show the same trend then we can have a relatively high confidence. This is as close to general acceptance of a fact that we can currently get.
>but angrily hating some medium because idiots use it to grift off of other idiots isn't smart either.
I don't hate the medium, I just hate that people take what's on it at face value.
>reading and experimenting your self is the best option
I do this and I agree, but for most people it's not practical.

>>509249872
I wasn't talking about roundup itself, retard. The new formula for roundup is 40x as toxic as the glyphosate stuff and you can still get the glyphosate stuff if you look for it.
I was talking about roundup ready cultivars of wheat where no such thing exists (legally) on the market.
There's roundup ready corn.
There's a cultivar of the bespoke bean that's roundup ready.
But not wheat. There is no GMO wheat of any sort on the market.

>>509241382
also if you abuse cardio you would fuck your heart faster, yea it will change its shape as a muscle but it won't be healthier because at the end of the day the heart is A PUMP with a limited number of pumps and will wear down, ideally you lift weights to be fair if you want to abuse physical exercise, you get more benefits that way, just avoid having many peaks in BPMs

>>509249879
No, you already proved it. They only thing you are quibbling about now is the margin of error of an estimated generalization.
Try to keep up.

>>509250406
>you already proved it.
No. I disproved your assertion and you're too low IQ to realize why.

>>509228227 (OP)
Dumbass wasn't eating his 'dines and macks.

>>509250332
>(legally)
There you have it. Nothing happens because those responsible for enforcement are not doing their job.

>>509250544
How illiterate are you?
Re-read this >>509248624
>There was an incident where an experimental cultivar made its way into the market resulting in steep fines for all parties involved.

>>509228664
Yep. Began antivaxx in 2020/21.

They really fucked a lot of people up with that shit.

>>509249645
It's in their file.

>>509247831
>if you make it to 30 the odds of making it to 70-90 are good.
>>509248251
>Pic related
>>509250501
So the first claim an admitted generalization was 30 year old have good odds to make it to the 70-90 age range.
Your graph shows the range is 63-80 for a 30 year old alive in the 1840s onward.
Now explain what was disproven.

>>509250315
>If we have many studies on the same or similar topics from multiple different countries, all publicly funded, and they all show the same trend then we can have a relatively high confidence.
>for most people it's not practical.
There is your disconnect. For most people it is not practical to rely on those or even read them. So the general acceptance stems from grifters, shills and media. Sad but true.

>>509250619
>There was an incident
So one incident. Where the government held a multinational corporation to account. I'm sure they are batting 100% on enforcement.
Thanks for the laugh.

>>509251065

>>509232291
Vit K is basically natural warfarin

>>509249520
Laying on the Savanna ground of British Columbia, watching the zebras run by. >>509249477
Come kill me then, I prefer violence to peace with niggers like you. You aren't and will never be good enough for us to not hate eachother, cause youre cursed, and I don't deserve to be.

>>509251065
Making it to 30 gives an average life expectancy of 63 in the 1840's and we can see a clear trend.
Your assertion was that people making it to 30 had a "good chance" of making it to 70-90 pre-civilization. Which is not supported by the graph.

He'll, to have a life expectancy of 70, you had to make it to fucking 50 at the start of the graph which indicates a significant rate of death between 30 and 49.

>>509252074
Do you understand what average is? Do you think that graph shows the upper limits of age brackets or average for age brackets?

>>509251227
These kinds of arguments are retarded. You have zero evidence backing up the notion that there's GM wheat anywhere in the market. There's not even an incentive to do so as the whole purpose of its existence is to withstand glyphosate so using it for its intended purpose would be a dead giveaway that you're breaking the law.
I showed you that the government is willing to prosecute over this and you're just sitting there saying "nuh uh."

It's absolutely moronic.

>>509228227 (OP)
>goes carnivore for health
>Burns the shit out of his meat
>Constantly ingesting heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).
>Oh no, I have heart disease guys, what did I do wrong!?

Some people can't be helped because they always find a way to fuck up any advice you give them.

>>509252286
I understand what an average is. I don't think you understand what the graph is telling you.
The gaps between lines represent deaths that occur between corresponding ages.

>>509228531
wine also has sulfates for preservation, unless it's homemade, i doubt you'd get any benefits from it, thats for your organs, the brain just get damaged by ANY amount of alcohol, you'd get better health by replacing it with nicotine chewing gum

>>509249684
I'm sure there are studies that are plain wrong or have wrong conclusions, that's not my point. I see people regurgitating the same nutritional bullshit that some grifters are regurgitating on social media and youtube here on /pol/ while the overwhelming scientific evidence shows the contrary.

If that overwhelming amount of evidence is all wrong then humanity has a way bigger problem than nutrition and heart disease.

Nutritional science gets a lot of shit because of the observational studies, there are however a vast amount of randomized controlled trials and cohort studies, and they also show the same result as in the observational studies. One example that comes to mind was a clinical trial in a mental institution where they had 100% control of the diet and they were tracking cardiovascular events over 12 years.

>systematic failure of an entire subdiscipline is provided by the priming literature in psychology, and the related replication crisis in said field
I'll be honest, social sciences and psychology is not my interest so that may be the case.

>Another example we're witnessing in the making is Climate Science (give it another 5-10 years).
I don't really care about this topic so I've not read into it either but as far as I'm aware it's very heavily reliant on computer models. I wouldn't be surprised if they were flawed.
>You'll come to that conclusion eventually.
I've never said it's perfect, it's the best we've got. The only alternative is doing your own studies, preferably on yourself. Regarding nutrition that's entirely possible, you could test if dietary cholesterol has an effect on your own blood cholesterol. Some people are lucky and it has no effect, most people however are not so lucky.

>>509252640
And you are quibbling about and error of 7 years in the low end and 10 years on the high end, based off of England and Wales. Pic related shows United Kingdom in the middle of other European countries.
So again Ill reiterate, you have proven my point and are now quibbling at my margin of error compared to yours.
Link related is source of pic
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-life-expectancy-compare-countries/#Life%20expectancy%20and%20per%20capita%20healthcare%20spending%20(PPP%20adjusted),%202023

>>509229387
would eating too much butter be bad?

>>509232291
k2 prevents calcium from going into your veins while making sure it goes into your bones, how is that bad for the heart?

>>509252437
>I showed you that the government is willing to prosecute over this
One case. Go take your vax now, the government knows best.

>>509253287
You forgot a crucial part of your own point: that we were talking about people PRE-CIVILIZATION. The graph goes back less than 200 years.
You can't even keep your own argument straight.

>>509253552
And you have shown NO evidence that there's GM wheat on the market. Absolutely none.

>>509236761
you'd die from injuries from hunting, infections, kedney stones, bad water or bacteria/viruses/sexual deceases, i doubt heart attacks were the main cause of deaths in 50yo cavemen, if they avoided all the previously stated causes of death they would confortably reach 80yo, none of this has to do with their meat diets

>>509253599
>we were talking about people PRE-CIVILIZATION
Cite the post that mentions PRE-CIVILIZATION.

>>509228227 (OP)
Vegans are left wing so so right wingers adopted carnivore

>>509253849
Sure. I said >>509236761 in response to >>509236627
Then you said >>509247831 in response to me.

>>509253664
Define "the market".

>>509253993
Available to purchase for human consumption.

>>509228833
>his cholesterol was through the roof for years
How do you know that?

>>509239346
why would you get vitamins from veggies when mean and liver contain x4 times the weekly doses you need? most veggies will give you various types of inflamation in the digestive system, with little to no acquired vitamins, for example most of the carrot's vitamin a is wasted because your gut cannot break down the keratin, broccoli release chemicals that inflame your gut, spinach gives you oxalates and kidney damage, all in tiny amounts sure, but why bother with them?

>>509253973
Seems like I said bronze age, that is post civilization.
You mentioned hunter-gathers these still exist to this day in isolated regions.
And the other anon mentions nature, when did nature end? This is news to me.

>>509232135
There are a lot of hash browns that are made from gmo potatoes. Also all of mexico's corn (which comes from the usa is apparently set to be gmo despite them not accepting it. They're being forced along with the usa.

I've also been reading that they are putting unsafe pesticides on almost everything. Strawberries are supposed to be one of the worst (maybe for how well it gets absorbed and stuck in them.

>>509254047
So is that anyplace selling a food grade bag of unprocessed wheat, or does that include every food processing plant that utilizes any part of where?

>>509235808
I highly doubt that. Moderate alcohol helps to break down shit in the body similar to what it would do on your work bench. It helps people relax after the peak of stress in their day. Literally adjusts the heart to peaceful rest instead of anxiety. Red wine I think has antioxidants? And If you have ever hung around a retirement community too much alcohol can kill some but moderate alchol seems to keep the rest going. There was a woman aged 118 or 122 who drank daily. I've also heard of another super centurion around the same age who slept most of the day and ate one hard boiled egg a day. Alcohol can easily wear you down as well though. If someone is fighting an infection and in a bad state it can definitely make it worse. Not good for colds etc either. So there would be some science behind this like most things.

>>509254186
>Seems like I said bronze age
Fair enough. I missed that part. So we're talking about 3000 years ago vs the 200 represented in the graph. My point still stands and you just piped up with a non-sequitur.

>the other anon mentions nature
Flip back through the discussion. He was arguing that nobody ate veggies before mass cultivation.

>>509254196
Yes, I alluded to the "innate potato" in the post you you were responding to. I was responding to someone arguing that all plants we eat today are GMO which isn't true (he later acknowledged that he was conflating selective breeding with GM).

>I've also been reading that they are putting unsafe pesticides on almost everything.
The discussion was about genetic engineering but we can discuss pesticides if you want.
Even in the absolute "worst" cases the pesticides present on the food by the time it reaches the shelf are biologically irrelevant.

>>509254466
Any use case where the GM wheat would be used in any way other than research.
I'll even drop the "human consumption" part because it's not even used for livestock feed.

>>509236627
You should read up on the appeal to nature fallacy.

>>509253272
>If that overwhelming amount of evidence is all wrong then humanity has a way bigger problem than nutrition and heart disease.
Sooo close and yet sooooo faaaaar. But honestly, you sound young, give it a few years and your natural skepticism will catch up. You'll see some shit that's so egregious you can't help this nagging thought about how WEIRD it is that it was published and let sit at all, just like how you've apparently already embraced the truth that youtube grifters and mainstream media are both not to be trusted, ever. And of course weird is the mother of doubt.

>>509254116
Seems on point from what I've read. Do any suggestions for staples to shop for? I tend to just go for brocolli, avocado, tomato, eggs, chicken, multigrain bread, cabbage, dairy, some real butter, pineapple, oranges, asparagus, steak, potatoes, pasta, sweet potato, green beans, rice, beans, and branch out from there. Somewhat in that order.

>>509228227 (OP)
its the jewish manlet genes
jews are broken

>>509254116
More bioavailability isn't always a good thing. Convenient you mention vitamin A since if you eat too much of that your skin falls off.
Veggies reduce appetite and therefore you're less likely to overconsume calories if that happens to be a problem for you. Fiber, which many anons here argue is bad because you can't digest it, feeds gut flora.
These are just a few examples of where your argument fails.

>its another vegan latvian thread
I see you

>>509229020
Akhi, there are delusional people on this website, usually right wing, who believe in "meat only" diets and eat an excessive amount of red meat and eggs. They deny the negative effects of all the cholesterol because "don't trust muh science" and end up dying at 40 from heart attacks

Those are the type of people ops thread is addressing

>>509256010
>not believing in meat only diets and warning about cholesterol
>v-v-vegan shill

>>509228227 (OP)
Their logic is literally
>Steak = manly
>Manly = good
>Therefore, eating only meat is good

>>509256283
I personally don't care one way or another about his dietary lifestyle but he's a pretty noticeable poster kek

>>509256689
Yep. It’s funny how much dietary choices overlap with politics. If someone is vegan, there’s a 99% chance they’re a libtard. If someone is a carnivore, there’s a 99% they’re a right wing chud who’s obsessed with being macho

Switching to a no seed oil diet at the ripe age of 50 will not undo 50 years of plaque build up while you had seed oils in your diet

It's also very hard to escape artery clogging food agents, even if you cook with lard or tallow, all modern lard and tallow is homogenized which micronizes the fat globules and still allows them to enter your blood stream

The best thing you can really do is take supplements like aged garlic, which are proven to break down plaque deposits

>>509255417
You're claiming that you can not trust any studies at all and I'm simply going to have to disagree there.

>>509257265
Well you can't separate veganism from politics because it's the whole point of the diet. There's also plant-based, that's without the politics.

>>509228227 (OP)
americans say they are poor but then do stupid shit like eat 1kg of red meat daily.

>>509258145
You're a nigger cause that's not what I said. With those reading skills you can't trust any study at all, but hey who are we kidding you knew that's not what I was claiming, but it was more important to claim victory. Funnily enough even scientists are not immune to wanting to get things right. Feynman warned us and we didn't listen.

>>509241960
This is an incredible photo.

>>509228227 (OP)
Prolonged steroid abuse can cause atherosclerosis, which is the buildup of plaque in the arteries.

>>509240076
so i should give up eating bread?

>>509228227 (OP)
Vax status please?
>>509228664
Oh jinx!

>>509228227 (OP)
90% of heart problems are genetic. Some people get bad plaque buildup, some have a malformed valve, rhythmic issues ect.
It's a fucking crapshoot

>>509258840
So then, is the scientific consensus wrong or not on any given topic? So far you seem to say the scientific consensus can't be trusted. They don't just come to a consensus after one study and you know that.

>>509260088
you:
>So far you seem to say the scientific consensus can't be trusted
also you:
>You're claiming that you can not trust any studies at all
It's honestly my mistake, and I misread the kind of person you are. So I refer you back to my previous post and call you a nigger who only cares about winning rhetorically again, pretty much the antithesis of a scientist. Time for bed, good luck with your mainstream science, nigger

>>509228227 (OP)
carnivores are some of the most gullible retards out there, even worse than vegans
vegans just have to supplement B12 and end up with less B12 deficiencies than carnivores overall because they're actually aware of this common deficiency - carnivores on the other hand more commonly (than vegans lol) have B12 deficiencies so bad that they develop anemia, on top of needing to supplement fiber, potassium, vitamin C, and probably other things I'm forgettin
imagine not just eating a balanced diet kek
it's even funnier because they try to emulate the diets of ice age Neanderthals, whom they probably ironically (and falsely) believe hunted and cannibalized their ancestors

the carnivore diet is by far the funniest meme diet

>>509260218
If you claim that the scientific consensus can't be trusted, then that infers that all the studies that the consensus is based on also can't be trusted.
Have a good sleep retard.

>>509256167
But there is no correlation between "excessive" amounts of red meat and eggs and cholesterol.

>>509260370
L M A O
yeah good night, maybe that won't sound as pithy as you imagined it to be in the morning

>>509229475
your gut bacteria hate you and want you to die so they can be free

>>509228227 (OP)
Was he vaxxed?

>>509238806
you also shouldn't be eating bacon and fucking butter with every meal

>>509260634
Yeah with a total dogshit diet. Turns out that's unhealthy.

>>509260552
You vastly underestimate how much evidence is required to reach consensus and it clearly shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest picking any scientific field and reading a bit into it so you start to grasp the amount of evidence required for something to be considered a fact in the scientific literature.

>>509260978
Sure thing buddy, talk to you again in 10 years, or maybe when you've finished your phd and spent a decade in the field, one that isn't stem. Mine is math. But again, it's my bad for misreading you. You're already convinced you know what things are like cause of what it says on the box.

>>509228915
This is the answer.

>>509228227 (OP)
Any kind of useless, divisive topic to dilute the board and make it less interesting to users, eh? Also meat clowns get everything they deserve, who even cares about them anymore?

>>509254688
fact: i have never been sick when i was a alky, my body was too hostile for anything to survive.
drinking a 375ml and being in shaky withdraws 6 hours later only to start in on the next 375ml really swings your bodies core temp plus all the toxic aldehydes just makes you absolutely immune to anything

>>509230288
You posted ketolard cringe from 2015 bro. Your body makes all that it needs, you don't ever have to eat any.

if meat was bad for you and vegetables good, meat would taste bad and vegetables would taste good and we would not bother to produce or hunt meat in the first place. even a cursory understanding of natural selective pressures makes this obvious. sugar is slightly different for its seasonal availability in the past but even then nearly everything you eat is broken down into sugars at some point. we eat to repair and grow our animal bodies, animal bodies are of course gonna be the best material possible for this task, every CELL in plant matter is encased in a cell wall which you cannot digest and need bacteria to make it pass through your system, this causes stomach upset and inflammation

>>509231746
>>509232078
>You know apple varieties are also bred specifically to make taste and other properties better
You can't seriously compare selective breeding to lab created GMO organisms and expect to be taken seriously? Now where just where have I seen this exact argument and double spacing?

>>509228344
That man would have been dead if he took your stupid advice. Why do you post? I can tell you have no experience in medicine. Just put whatever stupid priors you have about some meme man diet about eating extreme amounts of red meat and overloading your system like a retard is a good idea. I know it might make your small penis feel small but eat a balanced diet instead of owning the vegan. Like two retarded mirrors crashing into each other.

>muh seed oils
How did this get so much traction with schizo types? I get the vaxx scare, I didn't get it either because it was fucking suspect how they were giving it out for free, and I get that red meat is actually good for you, but there's no fucking proof out there saying seed oils will make you gay or the shit you guys claim.

>>509262913
there are two studies at least from the fifties that showed mice fed the same calories and macros but the test group got their fat from seed oils and the control from butter and the illustrations of the at first skinny and then big fat rats in the seed oil group are compelling


anecdotally i feel MUCH better when i avoid sneed oils

>>509262628
i've been trying to lose weight and i'm honestly starting to think that, i've been sub 1,000cal for over 2 months and only lost 10lbs and im getting at least 10k steps in

>>509262395
>Any kind of useless, divisive topic to dilute the board and make it less interesting to users, eh?
What is going on the world today anyway? The onslaught of similar topics has been considerable.
>>509262913
>muh seed oils
It's not black and white, really high quality non gmo seed oils are good, yes, the lq and cheap mixtures often used in industrial food manufacturing, that are also sold to unsuspecting normies, those are really really bad for your body.

>>509262913
>How did this get so much traction
this right here

>>509262913

>>509228227 (OP)
Idk

>>509262628
dietary cholesterol doesnt raise cholesterol retard

>>509232291
This guy is right for the wrong reason. Sudden unsettling of calcium from the arteries can cause a heart attack the same way standing up too fast can cause a heart attack. The correct way to go about this is a very delicate operation that if you're too much of a pussy will worry you slightly lmao lol, bitch.

Do you want to live good or live forever?