Now that libertarianism is a proven objective success, why do you still reject it?

He’s a Jew that created a rugpull

if you stop printing money then shouldn't that stop inflation

>>509229499 (OP)

And how are the people handle it, do they have jobs and somewhere to live these days? Are you aware of the fact the Mileis fanbase mostly consisted of illiterate argentinan youths who couldnt even read his political manifest?

>>509229728

>>509229615
Ppl from singapore did that launch

I have less of a problem with the economics of libertarianism (they proved very successful like you said), but with the social aspect: Druggies, sexual degenerates, rabid open-border lunacy.
Line go up but being an alienated, hyper-individual without identity or belonging is more damaging to the soul of a social creature like a human than economic hardship ever could be.

>>509231036
i don't think in a libertarian society there'd be laws against making friends

>>509231036
Libertinism doesn't have to be part of libertarianism. I don't think people should be locked in cages for doing drugs, but I do think it should be discouraged. I believe there should be social stigma for a lot of these antisocial behaviors, but that's not what the state is for. Also open borders aren't necessary a libertarian idea either. I mean it's really a system that revolves around private property.

>>509231243
Being obtuse isn't an argument.

>>509231525
Druggies should die

>>509229499 (OP)
3d printed libertarianism isnt freedom its the loss of everything valueable, op is sick in the head

it's fun how milei fellaters only post xitter screencaps with relative percentages and only for one year

>>509231720
well unless there's a law against making friends i don't see why you'd necessarily become alienated just because people can legally buy pot and shit

>>509231243
we have pretty liberal social laws and immense, unimaginable prosperity already and social isolation already exploded and people are more unhappy than they ever were.
And identity and belonging isn't even necessarily talking about friends anyways, but a tribe, a very extended family, a culture, also a goal that's bigger than yourself. Humans are made for being part of a kind of collective, we like it and we thrive in it spiritually/psychologically, it's obvious.

>>509231835
Yep ... Argentina is due for another financial crisis in a few years and, when that happens, the Milei shills are going to say it has nothing to do with libertarianism, as usual

>>509232030
i don't think there'd be laws against making a tribe/family/culture either or against having goals

>>509231525
>Libertinism doesn't have to be part of libertarianism.
fair, but I (at least at first glance) would say, that this is a small minority position in libertarian thought though. Same with being against open borders. The last one is especially hard to sell the "we need more freedom" crowd.

>>509229726
The main source of inflation are commercial banks who create credit out of nothing.
The higher the interest rate, the more they want to lend (and thus create money, fueling inflation), except, as you can see in the EU, they then still don't lend to help the economy, but rather cherrypick big borrowers since one credit of 10 mil with interest is more profitable and less of a hassle than 10k credits at 1000 with interest.
As far as Milei stopping inflation goes, I don't care enough about the country to have the full picture, but he nearly completely loosened the competitive use of USD in his country, only controlling the exchange rates to some extent. You can make deposits in USD, pay in USD, can use your hidden USD funds without getting taxed for revealing them, etc. So, it looks to me like he stopped inflation of the Peso by simply allowing Argentina to inflate the USD instead.

>>509232345
I think if you listen to guys like Tom Woods, Bob Murphy, read the articles that get posted on the Mises Institute, you'd be impressed by the amount of very reasonable libertarian voices there are who are also socially conservative.

>>509229499 (OP)
every argentine I know back home are bleeding money out the ass as they devour their meager earnings
kike fantasy numbers=\= reality

>>509232337
are you slow on purpose? It's not some weird "what if" scenario either, we are ALREADY living it.
People have less friends, say their live has no purpose, people marry less, people care about their families less. And all of those problems you can link directly to liberalization of: Divorce and marriage law, atomization of the person because ethnocentrism or religion is taboo or on its way out, liberal laws about abortion, sexuality and birth control destroyed the match-making process, migration: because our societies are filled with people who don't speak our language or speak it badly, don't follow or like our culture or understand our attitudes. If you can't talk to your neighbor, the chance that your neighbor becomes your friend is close to 0. If your neighbor hates your culture, he won't like you either.

And libertarian thought will only accelerate those processes even further.

>>509232797
>create money, fueling inflation
yeah i think we're on the same page
i know it's not literally printing that's just shorthand the point is that adding to the money supply in excess of economic growth causes inflation we can probably agree on that

>>509232852
thanks for the suggestions. I will look into it and am open for my mind to be changed

>>509229499 (OP)
he lowered inflation while raising poverty rate.

>>509229499 (OP)
I am all in favor for drastically reduced social spendings and less technocratical retarded regulations, but I am not in favour of free markets when it means China gets to destroy our industries.
We also all should do like Belgium when they can't have a government, somehow the country gets better. Fuck politicians they ruin everything.

>>509232061
Good lord that webm.

>>509233077
i'm sure you don't have friends and hate your family but not everyone is like that and allowing people more freedom to for example smoke pot isn't going to make everyone be like you and even if it did it's their decision not yours

>>509233115
>adding to the money supply in excess of economic growth causes inflation
Yea. It's what the kike banks in Germany did to create the wheelbarrow meme of Weimar fame.

>>509229917

Bs. Jewish tricks my dude

>>509233698
I am talking about clear observable social trends we see in every advanced economy from Japan to South Korea to Germany to the UK to the USA and all you have is ad hominem and some retardation about taking your pot away:

No, I have friends.
No, I have a great relationship with my family and my parents are still married at age 65+.

That you don't understand that finding friends and being part of a larger mono-culture are not synonymous BUT very dependent on one another, is troubling.

>>509232797
>The higher the interest rate, the more they want to lend

>>509234620
what a coincidence that neither you nor i are trendy in this way
actually i think you way overstate these trends
anyway a nanny state won't help people find friends or build this mythical monoculture all it can really do is jail people

>>509229499 (OP)
It's not lolbertarianism, it's just the absence of leftism.

>>509229499 (OP)
Leftist parasites will always be parasites.

>>509229499 (OP)
>cut inflation from 25% to 2% in one year

He nuked the economy in his first year and created hyperinflation, then in the following hear he listened to economist and it magically reversed the nightmare he'd personally created.

Wow, what a leader

>>509229726
yeah, but that requires balanced budges or budget surpluses. The leftist parasites want to spend much more than can be reasonably taxed.

>>509235015
technically he's not wrong, banks may hold out on lending in the hopes that interest rates will rise later, but borrowers still want to borrow less of course

>>509229726
>if you stop printing money then shouldn't that stop inflation
No, not by itself, not increasing the money supply is a good start but there is a lot more to actually get inflation down versus pausing a rise in the rate of inflation month after month, year after year etc

>>509229917
Valueless gibs in consoomer pockets ≠ economic development

>>509229728
>Argentina has a 99.51% literacy rate
the flag meme is real

>>509235286
what's going to cause inflation if there's no new money

>>509229499 (OP)
Inflation is down and everyone is in abject poverty, that's the lolbert promise I suppose.

>>509229499 (OP)
>Remind that in Argentina anything resembling the Murrikan Lobby industry is extremely illegal and considered corruption

Our problems were a massively bloated state concentrating all the power. in Merika it's more of a coalition of corporations and institutions that argue in favour of each other interest before pupeteering the politicians into fucking the vooters, but in Argentina politicians answered to nobody

Consider Milai as a Plutonium dildo as capable of chemoing a shitty tumor as it is of causing ass cancer

>>509229499 (OP)
I wish we had a milei

>>509229499 (OP)
This retarded cut down inflation by creating a crushing recession, I hate him so much, it's killing all the middle class

>>509235026
ok, you don't understand that fewer doesn't mean 0 necessarily.
People report fewer friends on average than in the past. That's a trend Putnam famously observed and warned about in Bowling Alone. That means more people have no friends as well, but many people have friends but fewer than they would have if they were born in 1950. And the funny thing is, you brought up friends specifically, I talked initially about being part of an identity group or collective, which is related but still very different. You can have friends and be culturally+ethnically Chinese and you can have friends and be culturally+ethnically Norwegian, but you can't be culturally Norwegian and Chinese at the same time, at best a weird mix.

And yes, a "nanny" state shapes culture because it influences deeply how people behave, are you dense: You drive on the right side, the Brits drive on the left side. Why? Because it's the legal requirement. That's a massive cultural trait on which side of the street you drive.
"The state can't dictate the side I drive my car on, they can just punish me for wrong-way driving"

>>509235251
The last administration to balance the budget was Clinton's. Rightoid parasites love their military welfare

>>509229499 (OP)
>Here's how Argentina cut inflation
>..... and this is why it's a bad thing!

>>509233115
No it is literally credit creation out of nothing and has been empirically studied by Richard Werner, you can watch Princes of the Yen film on youtube or find his refereed articles on google scholar

>>509236088
dude you own Milei

>>509229499 (OP)
how much did wages increase? I mean you didn't cool inflation by creating a depression?

>Libertarianism is proven correct because it is needed to cleanse the socialism
Libertarians don't understand national interest and just worship the economy, not realizing that the global economy doesn't give a shit about them and could move capital out of their country almost instantly if they got a slightly better rate somewhere else. Capitalism always incentives slave labor because you don't have to pay slaves. Once entrepreneurs run out of ways to innovate they just focus on reducing labor's wages. That's why they flood countries with immigrants and care very deeply about the birth crisis. The birth crisis means labor will get more leverage and better wages and they absolutely hate it. Milei was needed to fix the mess the socialist created, but if left in power would create a whole new libertarian mess.

>>509229499 (OP)
Argentina is one of the most expensive countries on Earth right now

>>509229499 (OP)
lmao

>>509238015
Their currency is still in free fall. So the fact that prices are no longer rising so sharply can only mean that they are lowering people's standard of living.