Thread 509265151 - /pol/ [Archived: 681 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: NExxLiV7
7/2/2025, 2:25:44 AM No.509265151
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Is there any way in which he would have won WWII? Or was he doomed from the start?
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Anonymous ID: QH7XoK1sUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:27:59 AM No.509265301
He probably would have won if he cooled off with the antisemitism a little, he coulda built the bomb first with all the world's best Jew physicists working for him
Anonymous ID: BK9t56rbUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:28:19 AM No.509265323
>>509265151 (OP)
Stopped at Poland and basically just held it and dug in. Told Italy and Japan not to be retards. France and GB would have tired of fighting pretty quickly and the US wouldn't have gotten involved to save the day.
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Anonymous ID: dzUz0gTgPortugal
7/2/2025, 2:34:55 AM No.509265769
He should have waited for the Soviet Union to inevitably make a move on eastern Europe (probably the Baltics), and then intervene as a liberator, care about optics and cooling it with the war crimes, and then push psychological warfare in the West so they don't support the USSR.
Anonymous ID: b6zJ8jOhUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:36:52 AM No.509265878
He was doomed the moment he invaded Poland. The world realized he wouldn't stop unless stopped by force when he took Czechia just because he could and invading any country after that for whatever reason would 100% mean war. He bit off more than he could chew, choked and destroyed his country with himself.
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Anonymous ID: HNhi1LDsCanada
7/2/2025, 2:37:31 AM No.509265919
>>509265323
They needed steel and most of all ....oil
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Anonymous ID: HNhi1LDsCanada
7/2/2025, 2:40:03 AM No.509266076
The thing is the Germs were propped up by the Soviets, Stalin wanted war so had no problem arming Germany after they were disarmed post ww1. The Soviets knew precisely what the Germans had.
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Anonymous ID: Tm3jIfOx
7/2/2025, 2:40:23 AM No.509266092
Give Poland, Norway, Finland, and Sweden to the USSR. Focus on just western Europe. Don't let the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor until the UK is gone then once you have atomics deal with the USA assuming they haven't joined your side already.
Anonymous ID: Hlf1+GgTGermany
7/2/2025, 2:40:35 AM No.509266110
>>509265878
Pollackia fell within two weeks, then France fell, then the Uk was left on their cuck island
I must have missed what exactgly "the world did about any of this"
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Anonymous ID: b6zJ8jOhUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:42:49 AM No.509266255
>>509266110
That's like jumping from the Empire State Building and boasting halfway that nothing has happened to you and you are enjoying the view so far.
Anonymous ID: y7eDolA2United States
7/2/2025, 2:44:08 AM No.509266330
he should've invaded spain and gotten the UK out of the mediterranian and cancelled the war with russia
Anonymous ID: CF/M0vlrSpain
7/2/2025, 2:44:40 AM No.509266374
>>509265151 (OP)
Yes.
1 - By getting into a deal with Spain for Gibraltar, which would have given him access to the Mediterranean. This did not happen because Franco and Hitler were not on friendly terms despite public appearances.
2 - By recalling the 6th army when it was obvious the Russians were doing a Napoleon bait 2.0. I cannot even come up with reasons for why Hitler simply let them die.
For the Axis to have won, deescalation was mandatory as the pure numbers game was utterly unsalvageable with Russia willing to send their 11-year-olds as meat shields to the front lines.
Anonymous ID: iEYzJgDqFrance
7/2/2025, 2:46:00 AM No.509266450
Alliance with fascist Spain

Invade Uk

Don't go too far in Russia
Anonymous ID: Tm3jIfOx
7/2/2025, 2:49:07 AM No.509266637
Also imagine if the USA joined the Axis for WW2 what the post world would look like. No Mao because Japan would control china. No Cold War because the Germans would have nuded Stalingrad and Moscow. No Jihad because the Axis would have conquered the middle east to control all the oil. No Mexico as Hilter would want the USA to take control of all of NA. No leaf posters for the same reason. No Israel as it would be Italian, Turkish, or German.
Anonymous ID: EfvDD3O5
7/2/2025, 2:50:53 AM No.509266757
>>509265151 (OP)
If Lloyd George had replaced Churchill (as he planned to do), he probably would have done a deal with Hitler.
Anonymous ID: 6jgVExE7United States
7/2/2025, 2:50:55 AM No.509266758
>>509265151 (OP)
The only realistic way Hitler could’ve won is if the Soviet-German Axis talks were successful and the U.S.S.R. became an Axis power alongside Italy and Japan. Without active U.S. involvement, the British would’ve certainly been forced into surrender. The four powers could’ve then divided the Empire’s remains among themselves however they wished. Unfortunately this never would’ve happened because Hitler was an ideologically-driven meth head
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Anonymous ID: b6zJ8jOhUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:52:39 AM No.509266872
>>509266758
This didn't happen because Hitler wanted to control Europe alone. Which is why he could jot accept an equal partner in his alliance.
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Anonymous ID: b6zJ8jOhUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:53:14 AM No.509266907
>>509266872
couldn't accept*
Anonymous ID: 7hqegJPSUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:55:04 AM No.509267027
>>509265151 (OP)
His allies fucked him over more the anything. Keeping WWII a smaller regional war would have been his best interest
A quick breaks down of allies
>Romanian and Hungry: competent enough and a good source of men Germany was always lacking, but near totally dependent on German equipment to actually fight
>Finland: only really here because fuck the Russians
>Japan: half way around the world, unwilling to attack the USSR, happy to drag US into war and fuck everyone in the process
>Italy: political power player, but holy shit they where not ready for a world war

Hitler’s best bet would be to keep Italy out of the war and basically play the part of Spain as a axis friendly, but uninvolved state while not getting over invested in Japan since neither side got much out of that.

Germany gets to keep a political bloc in the mainland of Europe, but without having to go chance failed campaigns on italy’s behalf and Japan begin a time bomb. So Hitler can just bunker up in Europe and wait the English out while bracing for the Soviets to maybe do something or he can try his hand at Barbarossa knowing southern Europe is significantly more secure and Germany doesn’t have to devote to Africa
Anonymous ID: 7hqegJPSUnited States
7/2/2025, 2:57:01 AM No.509267155
>>509266872
The Soviets were also extremely demanding in the proposal. Like demanding Finland no middle eastern terrorist it’s Germany probably couldn’t even promise.
Amusingly apparently talks also turned sour after Molotov shit talked the German army for struggling to take England out. Ya know after the winter war.
Anonymous ID: 7hqegJPSUnited States
7/2/2025, 3:04:40 AM No.509267675
>>509266076
Ehhhhh not exactly.
The German and Soviet military industry were pretty interconnected until roughly Hitler’s second year in office when things deteriorated and the Germans pulled out of most deals and discussions with the USSR.

Shortly before the invasion of the USSR when Soviet and German relations opened back up one while touring one of the German tank plants some minister I can’t remember off the top of my head accused the Germans of hiding their heavy tanks and finding what they where showing pretty pitiful. It genuinely shocked the Germans the Soviets where unimpressed at their tanks and it helped jump start the heavy tank program that had been stalling out
Anonymous ID: CKtzRkxsBulgaria
7/2/2025, 3:08:29 AM No.509267930
>>509265151 (OP)
Yes, if he went with his original plan for invading the Soviets which was to go for the Caucasus resources.
Yes if Italy didn't constantly fuck up, especially the Greek debacle
Yes if Dunkirk was a success
Yes if Stalin opted to join the Axis instead of requesting impossible things.

There are many reasons Germany lost, nothing is set in stone, but Hitler was awfully close at winning at specific points, he just needed a bit more luck.
Anonymous ID: z3cIzhkGGermany
7/2/2025, 3:27:33 AM No.509269134
>>509265151 (OP)
I think every system that is based on the ideas of mortal men and in which mortal men are the "saviors" is doomed. Only the kingdom of Jesus Christ is eternal, only Jesus Christ is the Savior.
Anonymous ID: MYNnUa50Canada
7/2/2025, 3:37:29 AM No.509269703
>>509265151 (OP)
If he beat the Soviet Union (which he got within a hair) then he probably would've won the war. Even with American help, D-Day would've been nearly impossible if the Germans had more resources for defense.
Anonymous ID: a3U5lspMUnited States
7/2/2025, 3:49:27 AM No.509270500
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>>509265151 (OP)
if HH had listened to the general staff then yes deutschland uber alles would likely still be around today...........
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Anonymous ID: a3U5lspMUnited States
7/2/2025, 3:49:52 AM No.509270521
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>>509270500
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Anonymous ID: s12+J211United States
7/2/2025, 3:50:30 AM No.509270568
>>509265919
Oh yeah because they can’t buy it like everyone else?