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Anonymous ID: Hwt8zkt/Russian Federation
7/2/2025, 9:20:55 AM No.509288002
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Sry for bad english in advance.

Can somebody explain why exactly many people nowadays use the term "zionism" the way they do? And when exactly the switch occured?

The word started existing even before Israel's creation and initially meant creation/existence of a country for jewish ethnicity. And as far as I know the official govt of Palestine(I am not talking about HAMAS) doesn't want destruction of the whole Israel. They want to take about 10-15% of Israel's land and that's it. So they r not against Israel's existence. And the initial meaning of the word "zionism" meant simply having country for Jews. So the official govt of Palestine is not against zionism.

Nowadays I see a lot of people using the term as synonymous to "occupation of Palestinian lands" or "genocide in Gaza" which is very much different from initial meaning. Drasticly different. So who exactly did such definition switch and when exactly? Feels like it's probably not the Israeli govt who decided to start using the term "zionism" this way.

Also feels weird that people just cannot use the word occupation for occupation or the word genocide for genocide, they just feel the need to use the term "zionism" instead, and when I hear such people talk I cannot even understand if they want complete destruction of Israel or they just say one thing and expect everybody else to have telepathy in order to understand that by the word "zionism" they meant exactly land occupation/carpet bombing of Gaza.
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Anonymous ID: FjZ25rynEstonia
7/2/2025, 9:24:20 AM No.509288137
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Anonymous ID: sU/xMiqW
7/2/2025, 9:24:52 AM No.509288152
Shalom rabbi and no Zionism = Greater Israel, Third Temple. No amount of sugar coating will work now. World has woken up to your Bullshit. Also Hamas are freedom fighters and Based.
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Anonymous ID: 44h/H0OuUnited States
7/2/2025, 9:27:34 AM No.509288268
>>509288002 (OP)
Zionism is any policy of the Israeli government, because they are a Zionist state.
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Anonymous ID: QzPzpS6DCanada
7/2/2025, 9:28:09 AM No.509288291
>>509288002 (OP)
I had an ex that looked like that but paler and better looking lips
what phenotype is this?
Anonymous ID: Amr5Tk3FUnited States
7/2/2025, 9:40:02 AM No.509288758
>>509288002 (OP)
"Zionism" sounds vaguely like a slur. It means people that support the existence of the present government of Israel.

The recommendation from jewish organizations is to stop using it, in their own online manual of word-style. To use it means you take a side in the conflict, against Israel. Legal thinkers use the term "Zionist Entity" when they want to convey the meaning that they don't recognize Israel.

Pro-Israel people say "The Jewish state" to give the foreign country an air of familiarity, though baseless. We would never say, "The Chinese state" or "The Muslim state of Saudi Arabia".

The point is that good persuaders choose their words carefully, as they hold a set of assumptions behind them, and if the wrong term is used, then you might be making a case in favor of the viewpoint you oppose.
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Anonymous ID: HzSO6QRzAustralia
7/2/2025, 9:57:16 AM No.509289513
>>509288002 (OP)
They use it as a safe way to say jews without being racist, which is a cardinal sin in leftist world views.
Anonymous ID: Hwt8zkt/Russian Federation
7/2/2025, 10:02:35 AM No.509289739
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>>509288268
OK, if it's the case then the people who use the term this way while saying "I hate Zionism" sound as if they hate every single policy of Israel, which still sounds kinda generalising and dumb.

>>509288758
TY for explanation.
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Anonymous ID: 1ucjq9T4Romania
7/2/2025, 10:11:07 AM No.509290079
>>509289739
Zionism is exactly that , israeli government policy , it is a zionist state after all
Now i know a lot of anons here are gonna say its kike shit however its not , its just governement policy heavily influenced by fanatical beliefs
Not all jews are zionists however the ultra orthodox ones are 90%
So its a goverment policy heavily influenced by orthodox jewish beliefs
Jews talk about theocratic states like Iran being the bane of all of existence then bend the knee to rabbis
Sage ID: q938I/a9Egypt
7/2/2025, 10:33:49 AM No.509290990
>>509288152
>Also Hamas are freedom fighters and Based.
They are based on operations by mossad and aman
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Anonymous ID: 1ucjq9T4Romania
7/2/2025, 10:37:11 AM No.509291117
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>>509290990
True
Anonymous ID: jeqaiWKDUnited States
7/2/2025, 10:40:31 AM No.509291244
>>509288002 (OP)
'zionism' is the word pussies use when they mean to say 'the bad jews', they're too chickenshit to come off as racist

they're all bad
Anonymous ID: xv6FAc11United Kingdom
7/2/2025, 11:17:15 AM No.509292770
>>509288002 (OP)
they say it because they want Israel to not exist, for it all 100% to be a Palestinian state.
>but this is unreasonable
best avoid talking about Israel outside Russia unless you want a headache, it brings out all the crazies because of Jerusalem.
Anonymous ID: LZ5e/yLEUnited States
7/2/2025, 11:29:38 AM No.509293310
>>509288002 (OP)
the term changed with the actions of zionists
they are just really shit people
when the term was first coined, people didn't know how amoral and disgusting they are
but now we do
hence the negative connotation
Anonymous ID: Jesm14PpIsrael
7/2/2025, 11:32:30 AM No.509293419
>>509288002 (OP)
Zionism in the simplest terms is Jewish Nationalism. The people who use it as a pejorative are the same people who despise Nationalism (and/or hate Jews)
Anonymous ID: MxYqIF3HUnited States
7/2/2025, 11:34:15 AM No.509294009
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>>509288002 (OP)
Jews are just trying to force their Golems back into their Bush Era mould by forcing out “Terrorist” and “Zionist” again but they mixed shit into the clay for the past 30 years so nothing makes any sense anymore.

Colonialism as a term was whapped over the heads of white people for years but now suddenly it’s an antisemitic dog whistle lmfao