Why do southern euros never leave their parents home?

Still living with your parents past 30 seems so sad.

yup im 32 and still young it says so right on the map!

>>509298902 (OP)
> Multigenerational homes enrage and confuse the gook
Sad, many such cases

>>509298902 (OP)
we got too many jews that buy homes and apartments to rent out and speculate with

>>509298902 (OP)
I was officially living with my parents for 30 years, even tho Im on my own for the past 10. Its done for tax purposes, I imagine the german people still believe in being honest with these things, then those 14% are actual immigrants

>>509298902 (OP)
It's like 300k for a mid-market house where I live, average wage is 1.1k monthly

>>509299229
yeah lmao ok buddy
my property tax for a 60m apartment is 80 pln a year, how much is yours?

>>509298902 (OP)
>Why do southern euros never leave their parents home?
Why should we? There's no point to do that unless you are planning on having kids

>>509298902 (OP)
Because we can't leave and we don't have proteslave work ethic. Not spending my life working to pay off a shoebox apartment.

>>509299067
>Multigen homes
Anon I wish. We're just cramped into regular sized apartments and houses if we're lucly.

>>509298902 (OP)
Because we're not bastard children of some single mom who'd kick us out when her child support payments expire.
We were planned, our parents actually wanted us.
Our parents take care of us, we take care of them when they get older.

>>509298902 (OP)
Why are you out of the house for, for acting gay?

>>509299355
Same problem here, houses are just too expensive. It's beyond over

I agree that the worst thing is living with your parents.... I left at 22, and I've never felt so good and free

>>509299592
>I left at 22, and I've never felt so good and free
What's free about rent or mortgage?

>>509298902 (OP)
The Danish government will give you money for rent and food if you're over 18 and still go to school. Extends to university and any other educational programs you can think of. I am sure rest of the nordics do something similar. This alone will bring down the percentage down significantly.

This percentage might as well be "how big our welfare state is".

>>509299667
my grandmother went to heaven and gave me a one-room apartment, but I would have started renting an apartment anyway because living with parents is slowing me down

>>509299484
It especially has no point if you're having kids and the place is spaceous enough, so grandma can raise them for you with your wife while you can continue playing vidya and catching out with friends
easy

>>509299780
>slowing me down
meaning they object to you coming in drunk at 3 a.m. and hitting the furniture on your way to your filthy berloga

>>509298902 (OP)
moving out of your parents house is a jewish trick to get you into debt

>>509298902 (OP)
Looking after inheritance, the other option is to rent from the jews.

>>509298902 (OP)
The only benefit of living alone is fucking around. No other benefit. Your parents also are the only people you can rely on, that will support you if needed.
That is if you are southern euro obviously. Northeuros get shit on by their parents.

>>509299877
it means that I'm sitting on a ready-made meal and becoming soft, I need difficult-control conditions like any other man

>>509298902 (OP)

I think it's comfy. Also based. Fuck society, no pussy no rent / work.

I can't do the same because my family is trash.

>>509299958
Just sign up for the special operation.

>>509299877
some people are drained by social interactions
I noticed I get way more shit done when my parents leave for vacations. Like by orders of magnitude more.

>>509300011
being an expensive worm food is not a very smart idea

>>509300011
that's just being a fucking slave

a man should rely on himself but also be free and have resources and power, not live in absolute filth in the frontline and obeying orders

soldiers can't even rape or pillage anymore

>>509298902 (OP)
I don't get the retards who do. It makes no economic sense to me and also leads to massive job disparity and centralization of power in big urban environments.
You are wasting your money on rent, instead of saving it to buy your first home. You're also wasting additional resources by having to buy or use everything as a single individual. If you're at a home you don't need to buy another hammer if you wanna nail a wall. There already is one there.
You also working for your local community where you grew up in instead of moving to some unknown place where you have no friends or relatives.
Once you get older and get a wife or husband, you literally have free baby sitting at home from your parents. Allowing your better mental well being and less strain on your finances and time.
This whole move out as soon as you're 18 is a modern invention from the Industrial era that wanted to get excess labor from the Villages into the cities. When people had 8 children instead of one or two.

It makes almost no sense to do it now that people have 1 or 2 children. Total waste of resources and you're only feeding the renting mega corps.

>>509300240
This is why gazde built large houses for all their children in the past, but unfortunately the children fell for urban lifestyle jew so they are wage slaving in cities while their big houses and land lay empty
sad

>>509300240
how many out of 100 men do you think save money for their own house while living with their parents ? maybe 10% of the rest just eat their parents' food and masturbate and play games

>>509298902 (OP)
It isn't. It's recommended if you don't love them or if they don't love you. There's is such a thing as a happy family.

>>509300240
>I don't get the retards who do.
but anon, they need to get drunk and hope to get a woman home to fuck
that is literally all 'living on your own' is about

>>509300335
I want to buy one of those houses while bugmen rot here in Zagreb. Just 2 more weeks when my business takes off.

>>509298902 (OP)
>Go move out and start paying rent to me goy!

>>509300240
Would you stay at home if your parents were actively trying to destroy your life?

>>509300335
>gazde
funny, we use the same word

>>509298902 (OP)
I see catholic vs protestant/godless split on that map if anything.

>>509300364
I envy people who are so blissfully ignorant of life that they think the only valid reason for moving out is because you want to fuck and get drunk

>>509298902 (OP)
>Why do southern euros never leave their parents home?
Where does your picrel show that Southern Europeans NEVER leave their parents’ home?

>Still living with your parents past 30 seems so sad.
What “seems so sad” about living with the persons who always love and care about you??

>>509300586
no split here, Catholicism is faggotism, Protestantism is truth

>>509300586
Catholic/Orthodox vs prottie/atheist.
Then again, even the Orthodox Church is formally called Catholic.

>>509298902 (OP)
This is not Japan where we make six figures and houses cost peanuts. Here we have sub-Saharan African tier wages and rent is priced for the ruling class here, the Northern European tourist

>>509300394
smart choice, fuck cities
>>509300476
kek

>>509300348
No idea I did it like that I'm 37, lived with my parents until 33 or 34. Had my girlfriend for years by that point, well several. Nothing special. And I didn't even save a lot I basically saved my rent so about 1/3 my income monthly. Well I do work in IT so my wage is a bit higher.

>>509300364
You can rent fuck places and you can fuck her in your room thats on the other floor that you parents aren't on. You can fuck in the car, you can fuck outside. Like whats the problem?

There is a thing called Hotel or and now Airbnb too you know?

>>509300462
No you move out, obviously this is case by case basis. Some have retarded parents that don't own a house so they rent. Some have retarded parents that are religous nutjobs, some have this and that.

But as you can statistically in the OPs picture most people get along. If we didn't society would fall apart.

>>509300586
Kurwa, we're not catholic, neither are Serbs and Albanians are so muslim that their women can be found in every brothel from here to Germany. Although their men can also be found in every jail from here to Ireland, which is kinda muslim.

>>509300648
the other reason is dad rapes you at night and you want out, sure
but degenrate families aside
99% of young people move out to be able to drink and fuck without mom frowning
everything else is just dressing up your inner monke in noble motivations

>>509298902 (OP)
Why write every country in its English name except Turkey?

>>509300770
>You can fuck in the car,
good luck

>>509300786
>we're not catholic
No, but culturally you're still close enough to teaching of original church than other "orthodox" autocephalsies (who are usually sects that have more in common with protestant heresies).

>>509300998
I did it in my fucking Twingo back in the day of 2008.

>>509301124
the Fiat 126 had non-reclining seats
the only way to fuck was if the girl was short enough to ride you on the passenger's seat
or bend her over over the hood but that's technically not fucking IN the car anymore

>>509301243
Poorly designed fuckmobile

>>509299537
kek pay your debts

>>509300770
So if you didn't save a lot, what was the benefit of not moving out, other than postponing maturity? I am not trying to be a dick, but that's literally what it is. You keep living with your parents, and they take care of your housing situation, which is literally less mature. I just struggle to imagine wanting to live with my parents but I get that not everyone hates their parents.

>>509301352
>Poorly designed
Italian, of course

>>509298902 (OP)

It's a map of industrialism

>>509300969
What about wanting to actually do something of your own, independently, without relying on your parents, or anyone else?

>>509301391
what's with this retarded notion of increasing your difficulty as if that in itself has any value
you can live with your parents and even have mom make you obiad without becoming a dependent leech

>>509298902 (OP)
>living with parents past 30 seems so sad
I know something even sadder - working with your parents in a non-Instagrammable, women-repellent job because the pay is good and normal jobs simply can't compete.

>>509301540
I think you have a
>fuck you dad
kind of problem and feel you need to prove something to him

>>509301391
>but le matoooritee
I hate spooks. What's in it for me?

>>509300586
what are you talking about
everyone I know tells me they'd much rather live on their own if it was affordable, this has nothing to do with religion unless you believe Catholics are universally poor

>>509301124
twingo was basically designed to be teenagers first fuckmobile

>>509301407
To the british cars then

>>509301684
I just always felt like I wanted to actually do something by myself and not just get stuff for free. I can listen to great music performances, but I still want to make my own music, even if it's shit.

>>509301687
I guess it's like trying to convince a homeless guy to get a job. If you can't see any benefits to living on your own, there are no benefits for you.

>>509301391
>postponing maturity?
when I got my first job, I didn't move out but volunteered to contribute 1/2 of living costs to my parents, utilities, tax and shit
I did grocery shopping on rotation with mom
I contributed money when shit broke and needed fixing or replacement or refurbishing (old house)
mom usually made dinner, but not always, there was no obligation
how's that postponing maturity?

>>509300240
>instead of saving it to buy your first home.
Lol even if you save 100% of above average salary it is usles.

Quit coping. We would all like mutt salaries and housing prices. Mutts can buy a house in texas for one year of labor not 50.
Also its fucking great being at the mercy of boomers.
I know poeple that earn 10x croatian income and they still have less than some retard that inherited 2 appartments.

>>509302072
Yeah, I'm not a materialist consoomer.

>>509298902 (OP)
Why are Poles living at home? Poland is rich and 1st world in 2025

>>509302144
You've literally chosen physical comfort over more uncomfortable alternative

>>509300770
>There is a thing called Hotel or and now Airbnb too you know?
So fuck 5 times a month and spend more money than renting.Great plan retard
You must be some HDZ nepo baby.

>>509301866
>everyone I know tells me they'd much rather live on their own if it was affordable
Because being grumpy and complaining about everything is our national feature. I don't believe these whinny bitches have it that much worse than Balts or Czechs.
>you believe Catholics are universally poor
I believe catholics are more tolerant towards their parents' faults. Czcij ojca swego i matkę swoją and stuff.

>>509302215
Communist execution of polaken intelligentsia was rough, I see. This is a non-sequitur.

>>509302241
LOL yeah I fucked whores because I realized it's cheaper than dating.

>>509302073
It's just difficult for me to imagine not wanting to just do something of your own. I guess pathological individualism is nothing to brag about

>>509302262
Cost of living in Prague and Vilnius is higher than Warsaw

>>509302266
I'm ignorant of history

>>509302147
Most Poles will tell you they're too poor, but honestly it's a cultural thing. I'm 43 and I'm living with my parents. Together with my wife and our children. Why would I live elsewhere when here is a house that I'm going to inherit and old parents that need my attention?

Their mothers are making canoli and sweeping the floor instead of working in an office and sucking dick.

In 50 years these nordic languages will only be spoken by elderly people in remote villages.

>>509301866
Its artifical scarcity. Old fucks also like it like this. Barely literate boomers working robot thier manual jobs got one appartment from commies and built themselfs 2 houses no permit or loicence needed.
Now you cant build anything without 1000 papers and inflated land and even if you design nuclear bombs for a living you have less wealth mentioned boomer retard.

>>509302487
>I'm 43 and I'm living with my parents. >Together with my wife and our children
Not sure if that’s pathetic or extremely based, traditional and familypilled.

>>509302711
tbqh it all depends on the size of the house
smol house = pathetic
large house = extremely based

>>509299951
> Last year, 9000 people were found at least a week after they’d died alone. Helen Coffey investigates how our increasingly fragmented society means more of us are slipping away unmourned and unnoticed.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/11/a-lonely-deaths-epidemic-is-sweeping-the-uk-as-thousands-go-undiscovered-for-a-week-or-more/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokushi

>>509302465
Shouldn't, every local police force under communism took a different shape, from completely new and remade from initial mob to pretorian guards who just kept their jobs, the array of policial history is the meat and bones of the XXth century record genocides

>>509299754
Danish people have no concept of family unit. Nobody cares about their parents, they just leave them to die in old care homes

>>509302487
My neighbor lives like that
old man Waldek, his wife, their three sons
all three sons are married and have children of their own
they all live together and work the same job together
the old man is retired now, he mostly mows and waters the grass
literally nothing wrong

>>509298902 (OP)
Only 48%? well people voted for this (actually nobody votes don't matter)

>>509302815
I'm lucky enough to have more than 200m2, it seems it's enough. My sister tried to live with her mother-in-law on 100m2 and it ended up with divorce.

>>509300240
It made perfectly sense 60 years ago when USA was exporting their economic model everywhere and one salary was enough to pay for a house, a family and two cars, now that you need two people to pay rent in a bug box it doesn't

>>509303003
>mother-in-law
here's your problem lol
separate bathrooms and kitchens make a lot of difference too especially to women who love to play queens of their little kingdoms in those places and always find fault with how another woman does things

>>509298902 (OP)
Personally I live with my parents still because I threatened to kill them if they kick me out. They want to kick me out but they are afraid of doing so.

>>509298902 (OP)
As much as I love moving out on my own, I don't understand why it's seen as a bad thing to live with your parents. We've been doing it for most of human history.

>>509302921
Economic incentives are magic. Take people's money, give it back to them as benefits, eliminate the economic need for family support. Everyone would behave like danes under these circumstances.

>>509298902 (OP)
i'm 30 and live with my parents because i gave up on life, Tamagochi-kun

>>509302921
Based
>>509303453
>Just be at the mercy of your parents forever bro
Fuck that. If I could move out and not be a literal slave I would do so.

>>509303510
giving up @ 30 is kinda lame, honestly. You can spend 5 years to completely change your life and you'd still only be 35.

>>509298902 (OP)

It be like

>Finland
''Our son is 30-years old and doesn't want to leave his home, we have failed as parents!''
>Italy
''Our son is 30-years old and wants to leave his home, we have failed as parents mamma mia!''

>>509303606
Im not playing rigged games. Fool me once and all that.

>>509303604
>>Just be at the mercy of your parents forever bro
>Fuck that.
Not everyone has such a terrible relationship with their parents like you do. How can you threaten your own family? That's actually sick. Are they monsters? Are you?
My parents wanted me to stay.

>>509303604
You gotta pay your debts if you want to buy yourself out of slavery. Facilitating your own hitting the bottom by working a shit job you can't escape is the best way to motivate yourself to be better.

>>509303688
Makes sense if all is gonna do alone is live like shit or put the head in the oven

>>509298902 (OP)
How do I pay for my own place with Californian prices and Mexican wages?

>>509303734
>How can you threaten your own family?
Do you need a step by step manual or is this just a stupid question?
>>509303754
I give it one more year for it to work out before I start killing people how about that?

>>509298902 (OP)
In Singapore it's 71% for that same age bracket.

>Indonesia 67% for 16-30 year olds
>South Korea 81% of people in their 20s

>>509303510
on the off chance that you're a petite brunette woman, come live with me

I left at 27. There's no point in leaving if you don't have your financials in order. You're just gonna get fucked and pay some rent jew half your income. Or share a house with 2-3 fags which is infinitely worse than living with your parents.

The notion that you have to leave once you're out of high school is very deadly and a very stupid western phenomenon. Most people don't have their shit in order at 25, let alone at 18. It's what causes so much of the youth to grow up to be completely fucked up drug addicted wrecks

>>509303688
more like

finland:
"It's cold and dark outside, the next human settlement is 2 hours away, I sit in my house most of the day, it gets annoying to have mom peek over my shoulder all day so I move out"

italy:
"It's perfect beach weather, I'll go out, dance and flirt with girls, eat some fresh baked pizza with the bros, play some soccer in the park, go home it's 10 pm, mom is already sleeping, no reason to move out when I'm only at home for sleeping"

>>509303876
If you do, take out as many muzzies as you can. If you do I'll be starting facebook fan pages in your name

>>509298902 (OP)
>only 16%
way more lmao

>>509302419
Anon... do you have protection or...

>>509303876
esl moment.
I'm not asking "How to threaten family".
I'm asking how does it get to that point. Your family sounds broken. And you also seem to have a fatalist view on society. Maybe that's a greek thing, idk.

>>509303932
>western
it's not even western as a whole
it's just American
and just a short thing because American boomers had it so easy after WW2
a blip in human history

>>509303978
No I will take out as many of you as I can. Whats with the narcissistic entitlement euros have for someone who is homicidal/suicidal in their own societies to do their own dirty work for them? Its you who made me homicidal/suicidal, I want to hurt you on my way out, not be your savior on my way out.

>>509302921
>Danish people have no concept of family unit.
Post documentation for your claim.

>Nobody cares about their parents.
Post documentation for your claim.

>they just leave them to die
Post documentation for Danes just leaving their parents to die.

>in old care homes.
Care homes for old people do NOT exist in Denmark - we only have care homes for very ill and sick people, and instead of being killed humanely and quickly, they are slowly tortured to death (by thirst and starvation).

>>509298902 (OP)
>>509300240
>This whole move out as soon as you're 18 is a modern invention from the Industrial era that wanted to get excess labor from the Villages into the cities.
Swedish puritan invention that got imported into the US, mass adopted and then re-exported.

Cpt Swedistan is to blame. Look at the numbers. The closer to swenska the lower the numbers of multigenerational family/clan homes. Sweden's numbers being fucked with due to way more new sweeds and all that compared to the other around them.

>>509300705
Hows the spanish poon tang? I need me some spanish gf

>>509304029
I was being sarcastic with you. Why do you pretend its impossible?

>>509298902 (OP)
Coming home from work and finding my mom cooking for me, cleaning the house and doing the laundry while I save up to buy a house
>seems so sad

Leaving home at 18 to pay rent that significantly decreases your monthly income and have to take care of everything at home until you have no more free time
>seems so cool and funny

>>509304058
Not exactly. The nordcucks kick their children out of their house even faster, but it's at least compensated by the fact that at least Norway and Denmark are swimming in cash. America is doubly fucked because most young Americans can barely afford to pay their rent, let alone all the other living expenses which leaves them drowning in debt and having their life fucked by the time they reach their 30s.

It's sad really because this is not natural and solely promoted by the rent jew. The system needs to churn out new people to constantly rent otherwise the system will burst.

>>509301124
Everythings bigger in a twingo

>>509304124
Lol I'm literally a polack and you talk to me as if I'm an american boomer. Proud to be so high on your list.

Anyway, you can figure out your life, it's slow in the beginning, but then it happens very quickly. Don't give up

>>509304168
You keep avoiding the question. I'm not pretending anything it's impossible I'm just asking about your life.

>>509302711
It's a great model. Bills are shared between more people, income is greater because wife can freely work, as grandparents are free nannies/kindergarden. Until my parents are disabled it's all working like some bulletproof machine. When they die I guess we'll be living like all these other 2 generational families.

I wonder why this model is shitted on by more "modern" people. Probably influence of jews or something.

>>509299355
True actually I was looking at house prices in Portugal and Spain... for research...
It's almost the same prices that we have, I have no idea how you guys can cope with those prices.

>>509304273
Im talking large scale, taking out as many muzzies is large scale enough to fit the entire europe in the concept. Why would I do that for you? You do that for you, if you feel so good then it means society was made in your image therefore you defend it, its defence has nothing to do with me.

>>509304237
>The nordcucks kick their children out of their house
Name “the nordcucks” who have ever kicked their children out of their house.

>>509304295
Drop the "how could this happen *gasp* how horrible" idiotic tone and I will answer

>>509298902 (OP)
Med mother cooking too hard to give up

let me know when $800 / month apartments in a white neighborhood are available!

>>509304597
Nah, it's too late. I've been respectful this while time, while you're being a cunt for no reason. Your life story isn't interesting enough for me to start begging for it. You're not special. You're just like every other resentful teenager in existence who blame their parents and society for every problem they have.
Enjoy your "killing spree". We all know you won't do shit. Kill yourself you pathetic resentful loser.

>>509304856
Dont forget to close the door subhuman boomer.

>>509298902 (OP)
there are no houses or space left. the government doesn't let private business to construct new homes and they don't construct new homes, either.

there are like 50 million people in my country. there should be like 11 million at max. even if we kick all the immigrants out, we should kick like 20 million of native spaniards out, too.

in the average house you can find at least 6 to 10 people living in them, from greatgrandparents to greatgrandchildren.

>>509303490
bla bla no it's a genetic trait that goes hand in hand with being a worshiper of state like Germans
you cannot both be a farm-animal and simultaneously family-oriented and the choice is between either or
>>509303604
but you would rather be a rootless slave to the state that could not possibly ever have your interests in mind, but your family could
>>509304127
Typisk idiot uden selv-bevisthed
we wuz vikangz and liberalism is unnatural for us
The governmental policies of taking children from their parents reflect the people's genetic predispositions
The reason elderly are so lonely and suicidal is because their inbred, mentally ill offspring have no concept of the family unit and actually living with their parents or at the very least keeping contact with them

>>509304978
not a boomer
just someone tired of kids like you who think you're special for suffering, while you take zero responsibility for your own life

>>509299936
based saudian.

The same humanoids that demand handouts while visiting a friendshouse cannot move from home after 30 years on this earth. Fucking niggertier humans, grow up

>>509305024
Didnt you just demonstrate that families dont have interest in mind in your post I replied previously?

>>509305090
When did I ask? Why do you think your thoughts are interesting to me and you automatically believe I asked you?

>>509300660
catholicism is the only valid and original form of christianity. protestantism is a cult made by a heretic fag.

>>509305419
>protestantism is a cult made by a heretic fag.
its THIS and only THIS

absolute hyper-insanity to call 'protestantism" 'truth'

>>509305024
ZERO documentation, but a post solely consisting of NEW lies - you have to go home, Abdul.

>>509301388
apparently, they already did. it's US who is fucked with their debt now.

>>509298902 (OP)
Because they realise that housing is a scam akin to bitcoin, but worse.
Bitcoin at least doesn't degrade as badly, isn't as vulnerable to risk.
Houses as an investment is a fraud, speculative value increase is fake growth.

>>509301540
being independent doesn't exists, you'll always need help and deep interaction with your surroundings and no society can exists withouth families living together.
that's kike/nigger/madmax level of thought.

Your parents, for most white people at least, are the only people who will ever really love you, until you have kids at least, so you should spend time with them while they are alive while spending less money on useless shit. Boomers who want to kick their kids out asap are soulless golems.

>>509298902 (OP)
Im italian american i moved out right at 30.

Its because italian mamas are very persistent and accomodating.

>get home from work with busted tire
>mama cooks dinner. Says she will cover the cost of the tire and take it in to the shop for you so you dont miss work

>get a parking ticket for speeding
>mama says dont worry she will go to your court hearing and scream at the judge and get it dismissed

>short on cash for dinner
>dont worry she will take you out to your favorite steak place

Its very very difficult to say no to that especially since saying now will lead to a 10 min argument with your angry italian mama

>>509305745
It doesnt exist artificialy, and you are losing to browns so easily, and I laugh. Fuck christianity btw.

>>509302147
they have a family they get along with. they don't need to run away from single moms/drunken dads, etc.

>>509298902 (OP)
>In 2025 only the richest 20 % is able to afford their own housing.
Souce: https://www.novinky.cz/clanek/ekonomika-koupit-byt-si-muze-dovolit-uz-jen-petina-nejbohatsich-40527106
I fucked off from my abusive parents at 18 and been in the downward spiral of wage/rent slavery ever since. If my parents were not pieces of shit, I'd still live with them in my 30's to save as much money as possible for my own house. Just like it was done for thousands of years.
The
>you have to live on your own as soon as possible or you are a failure
is a jewish psyop to jack up real estate prices and funnel young people into permanent debt slavery.
Fuck the usurers.

>>509298902 (OP)
they hate the family unit

>>509302431
you're either a kike or your family sucks so much you prefer being totally alone.

did you knew that your life expectancy declines when you're on your own?

>>509298902 (OP)
It's even worse with Anglos, america included. Home at 40 years old and probably don't even know how to cook. It's important to still visit your family and keep in touch though since retards always straw man argument this shit

>>509302147
Poland and Italy are matriarchal in house structure.

If you look at men and women wages in europe there are only two regions where the women earn more than the men. Its in rural italy and rural Poland.

Not sure what polands deal is but in southern italy all the men become lazy farmers that fail 3/4 seasons and do manual labor while the women commute to decent hospital/nursing jobs and have steady work.

everything > 50% is a wealth issue
everything >20% is a cultural issue
everything 20% and below is a housing issue.

>>509302921
that's awful. i took care of one of my grandmas and my dad, too. i'm also worried about one of my mother's cousins because she lives alone, after taking care of parents, aunts, nieces, husband and children her whole life. if something happens to her, we will not arrive in time :/

>>509298902 (OP)
that's what I thought in the 90s before everything was completely destroyed. now I understand that individualistic society is cancer

>>509298902 (OP)
live with your parents. put all the money you save in an index mutual fund. do not listen to roastie propaganda.

>>509303754
>suffering needlesly to be a slave of kikes is ok.
kys.

>>509298902 (OP)
A normal apartment that isn't falling apart is minimum 200k and minimum wage is 800, most people that don't do minimum wage make around 1200€ a month. That's why, because its fucking expensive when your wage is third world poor

>>509303950
i live in spain and i don't go out. but my father is ded (took care of him until he died) and my mother loves to be at the church or the neighbourhood association so it's like living on my own. i also buy groceries, clean the house, repair shit, etc.

>>509304437
We don't hence living with parents

>>509305745
I said DO something INDEPENDENTLY, not being isolated from society at large, Kaczynski style (and he obviously lived and didn't die the moment he was alone).

I feel a larger sense of accomplishment when I make 2000 euro using my own immediate resources in contrast to getting a 1000 euro from my family. Living on your own is a part of that sense of accomplishment, and leads to more opportunities to feel it again in the future

>>509304437
>I have no idea how you guys can cope with those prices.
by living with our parents and grandparents lol.

>>509306413
I've had to work for the kike a little bit, but I liberated myself eventually. Do you prefer your parents kiking indefinitely?

>>509298902 (OP)
Yay, Montenegro fucking won! Number one in Evropa, who's laughing now?

>>509307050
>who's laughing now?
Everyone, at Montenegro

>>509299447
>property tax
For me its 700, then again, Im talking about czynsz, which is much higher for most of the young polish people

>>509306999
Im not doing an artificialy placed humiliation ritual even if you make me a billionaire. It is that simple. I will kill random people for their pocket change instead.

>>509306032
Having high testosterone declines your life expectancy. I suggest you investigate the benefits of gender affirming surgery and exogenous estrogen. Good luck

>>509298902 (OP)
It's really simple, rent and bills alone without food take 70% of your salary for the smallest apartment in ghettoes, at least in Belgrade. I can never afford to move out and I will never pay the rent jew.

>>509305255
>growing up is being a slave of kikes and dying alone, hating family, while nobody did this ever before in human history and society can't survive to something as 100% individuality.
kys.

>>509307109
You're only pissy because of your low 53% cuck number, I get it.

>>509307412
I was joking sry, I love all Evropeans. 50 whatever percent is fucking crazy though.

>>509307388
I have never ever in my life seen a kike btw. The magical scapegoat doesnt exist irl. If anything it must be one your fucking nepo big families rigging everything around and then demanding community.

>>509299877
nice ID

>>509307050
Monte niggaz are hella based desu

>>509305861
how are we "loosing" to browns who have literally nothing, are gay, drunk and drug addicts who live on the streets and kill each other, because they have no home, job, family, etc?

how is it being traditional and having family, job, property, etc. being a looser?

are you a jeet shilling or something? because what you said has no sense at all.

oh and long live christianity, which is the only religion that creates societies, civilizations and wellness. the non christian countries are nigger madmax of extremely individual niggers who die on the streets.

>>509305952
the jews rule in the blue countries in the map. the lilac and purple ones have no jews in power, so we live in a traditional way.

>>509307278
Are currently killing people for pocket change or waiting for mom to bring you dinner?

>>509307867
You are fucking delusional kek. It took america 2 generations to become 56% and still going downwards. Some retarded gated community nepo kid must have been thinking the same thing back then.

Wait till you find out that if you take out boomers from the demographics equation you already lost.

>>509306831
you don't need to move out to do things by yourself. i do almost everything in my house myself, actually, while my mom is a church or the neighbourhood association.

our parents want their children and grandchildren to help them and take care of them. duh.

I hate living alone. It's not even about the money.
Wish we could go back to shitty farm life where all the extended families were living next to each other with the grand parents and shit.

>>509307326
dude my country has the highest life expectancy in the world, right behind rural japan. being alone gets your life more stressful and way shorter.

>>509308022
You are mad because you only now realize you spiritual had your anus gaped for a fraction of what a holywood actor gets for the same humilitation ritual and I refuse to do it for the entire universe.

>>509308261
spiritually

>>509308261
You're not refusing anything, you're outsourcing it to your immediate family

>>509307671
of course you never ever seen a kike, look at the map. both spain and greece have a traditional lifestyle. we are not ruled by kikes. the light blue countries are, though.

Thought it'd would be higher here honestly.

>>509298902 (OP)
Why shouldn't they ?

>>509308419
You've been getting raped by muzzies for 700 years though. Nothing traditional about muzzie rape

>>509308345
Good. Bet now they regret bringing me to this world before fixing their issues. You should take revenge on your parents for bringing you to this world to have your anus spiritually gaped in a humiliation ritual.

>>509308139
you are fucking delusional, anon. niggers are extremely individual, thus unable to create a society or civilization.

the countries which lived traditional lifestyles with their big extended families created civilization and wealth.

soon everyone will return to that lifestyle. because it'll be either that or total nigger collapse.

>>509308251
I am not arguing for isolating yourself dude, I am arguing for taking a chance

>>509308547
Dude even the kikes couldn't have humiliated me more than my parents did. Now I am in a good place, I bought my freedom

>>509298902 (OP)
you must work for schlomo's cuckbox apartment and abandon your perfectly sized multi-generational home and leave your parents to die and pay rent goy

>>509308548
Guess what you retarded nepo kid. You like your "civilization", a pajeet likes his shit street, a nigger likes his his drug den. Its all genetic teritorial compatibility. If your society changed from "civilization" to drug den that means you are losing.

>>509308633
All the more reason to take revenge on them. I know what you mean, you were automaticaly born in a humiliation ritual and so by indulging the one that helps you escape only makes the situation better. I guess you can see it that way.

we are poor as fuck
no one can afford here even a fucking room in a commie block
shithole country
our apartments are more expensive than in dubai

>>509308856
Well, it's not that I see it that way, it is better. I am extremely bitter and resentful, but I have not murdered anyone, and I probably won't. If you won't actually do it, why be resentful? Either actually go and murder your parents or solve your resentment

>>509308189
rural france is waiting for you, frog anon.

>>509298902 (OP)
it's a poorfag thing from low employment countries

>>509298902 (OP)
Simple answer: because we're poor. Look up the rates of youth unemployment, they're abysmal. There's no hope for young Spaniards to afford our own homes, while our cities are being flooded by south american and african immigrants. Situation is very grim.

>>509298902 (OP)
I am 40 and I have no woman, I have no children, I have no house, I have no friends, I have no money and live paycheck to paycheck. Also I recently had to move back in with my parents. When will my real life begin bros? I'm tired of the grind, I'm tired of this life, just very very tired that's all.

>>509303950
more like nonna is doing all she can to keep little anon at home eating pizza until he’s 40 and has to look after her. as it should be, why do we need to piss away our income on rent and then pay for someone else to look after our old? thats what family is for

>>509309032
Why not both? Im trying to go van life and go inawoods and learn to become immune to societal attrition before I murder my parents. I will do it in the open cause I have siblings who have done nothing to me will be suspects and as a challenge to the rest of society to try and do something about it where its not their bussiness.

So far 3 people tried to scam me out of my money and if someone actually succeeds then its over and Im gonna start killing without socieatal attrition immunity.

>>509309336
>So far 3 people tried to scam me out of my money
trying to buy a van i mean

>>509299936
Most of the nay sayers here probably kike glownigger bots but then from what i've experienced first hand most Europeans (westerners in general) pretty much the very cattle the jews describe them to be, they are so utterly pathetically superficial and short sighted and are so easily fooled and tricked by all manner of play on their ego or sentimentality .

>Not moving out your parents house ? you must be a loser then !
Really it's no ones fucking business and in fact it's vital for families to stay together and help each other in such a competitive ruthless world, and such arrogant vermin with their intrusive questions should just be kicked in the face

>>509308496
muzzies were kicked out from spain to america from 1601 to 1617, as well as the jews in 1492, until zero of them remained. spain was racially and ethnically cleansed at 100% and repopulated by native germans.

we are basically a mix of pure romans with pure germans, reason why we look like pic related. sorry yoghourt anon, the truth hurts.

btw muzzies are all 100% gay and rape each other in the ass every day, or male children (pedophiles). they get arrested by the police by being openly gay and fucking each other in the ass in public lolololol. that's why we see those online videos of muzzy fags being hanged from cranes or thrown off of high buildings.

pathethic race of fags, they're going extinct, just like the niggers.

>>509308550
yes, you're working for the kikes, just like the 2 IQ pajeet >>509308496 and you're both insulting everyone here and abiding for the destruction of civilization, entire countries and family units.

no, we aren't going to serve you/your masters.

is that clear enough?

>>509308737
nope i'm a traditional kid who lives and works with my family all together. we have our own business, money, property and zero debt. we, like most spaniards, italians, greeks, polish, etc. aren't ruled by kikes, so we are free. we are winners. being independent, alone and in debt is the life of loosers.

you jeets working in this thread with your 2 IQ are failing misserabily but it's normal since we have an IQ over 100 and you're just retarded browns/niggers/kikes lololololol.

>>509308419
So whats with you quoting the kikes if its not kikes who want to make a slave but instead its europeans/countrymen/whatever?

>>509308189
I would fix the tractor and flirt with your hot frogsister

>>509298902 (OP)
My country has the worst real estate prices to wages ratio of the entirety of the OECD. In practical terms its basically harder for locals to rent in Lisbon than it is in Canada or the US (even Tokyo).
No chance. And yes, the politicians are in it.

>>509309502
>Most of the nay sayers here probably kike glownigger
and probably pajeets, hence the retardedndess of their posts which makes no sense.

>>509309999
*Im amazed how the communist flag isn't waving at the wind here already to be honest.

>>509309822
>bragging about having an IQ over 100
Thats why it feels like Im talking to a retard. Anyways enjoy your "winning", dont slip in any pajeet shit on your way to the bussiness.

In the case of it must be because there are tons of gypsy villages where the house price is someone paying you to move in and so it brings the whole average down lol.

>>509311461
>>509309999
in the case of romania*

>>509309690
i literally don't work lol

>>509300660
I have met a couple of protestant priests and they were all shilling for LGBTQ

>>509300364
Just have sex in front of your parents while remaining eye contact with them

>>509311651
He is bragging about having 100IQ and thinks that his immediate visual context in his gated community represents all of spain or something, similar to a nigger but instead of a drug den its "civilization". Kek just tell him to enjoy his "winning", its literally an NPC on an NPC routine.

>>509306214
>Not sure what polands deal is but in southern italy all the men become lazy farmers that fail 3/4 seasons and do manual labor while the women commute to decent hospital/nursing jobs and have steady work.

similar here

We have been getting 500.000 africans/shout american/east europe inmigrants per year for 20 years. And we have been taxed to hell to pay for their freebies because they don't work for shit. They are parasites. So in addition to the inflation, we have a housing problem.
tldr.: neo communism

Nothing wrong with living in multigen houses.

>>509312057
I've been to spain and honestly calling it civilization is a stretch, although I've never seen an ass as great as I've seen on a beach in Málaga. Absolutely fucking stunning

>>509312653
Thats absolute nonsense. Does everyone have the same power in the house? No, its a complete monopoly of power in the older generations. Its like being a newborn at the mercy of the whims of your parents but till the day they die.

In my case I equalized this by having superior prowess to everyone and beating the shit out of them and daring them to call the police. And from there they live in fear of me and wont do shit. But I imagine its not the same for everyone, specially if its a woman who cant impose herself physically.

How does it even work being 20+ and living with your parents?
Do you still sleep in the same bed as when you were a kid?

>>509312920
In his context "civilization" means his NPC routine and his family bussiness? I dont know what it means but he is obviously delusional if he thinks he is winning either on a societal level or on a personal level (imagine waking up on schedule to go to work lmao).

>>509298902 (OP)
several reasons.
1. Generational wealth. when you live in a house that costs millions in the west with all the luxuries you can imagine, why the fuck would i live in a 30m2 apartment without even 10% of the luxuries i am used to? then there is family power, if everyone works, the costs arent that monstrous. also your parents can take care of kids,meaning you can have kids, unlike your disgusting state that is well on its way to extinction. and like south korea. whats the point of you having money if you are extinct in a century?

2. Salaries do not permit renting places ,and if they do, why the hell would you pay more than half of your salary for a place thats not even half as good as the house you were born in?

3. Your village, city, house, wherever you live is surrounded by people you know very deeply and can help you.so why the fuck would you go somewhere nobody knows you where you are on your own? you think some unknown cunt will help you after a month when you realize your salary isnt cutting it? i like to think such good people exist, but i wouldnt count on it.

4. because i love my parents, and i cant fathom just outright abandoning them like americans, seeing them once every few months, or putting them ,God forbid in some home where they will be abused.

tl/dr the cultural gap between a loving family in the south, and the cold uncaring boomer assholes in the west and north is far to big for you to understand why people dont wanna move out.

I ONLY LOVE MY BED AND MY MOMMA

>>509313522
>Do you still sleep in the same bed as when you were a kid?
No, as a kid I slept under the stairs in the closet but I have updated to the spare bedroom since then.

>>509313855
All this stupid shit image you try to project goes out the window once you check birth rates and compare to the percentage of multigeneration homes. Just like the delusional spaniard you are talking absolute nonsense.

>>509298902 (OP)

>>509298902 (OP)
>>509315139
For example 50%+ of young adults in greece should be having children cause they live in multigenerational homes right? Does that look like look like 50%+ of young adults having children to you?

Its out of miserable nessecity that it happens, not because of "muh winning tradition" or whatever.

>>509315139
stop being a fucking defeatist cuck. we have 2 children per household at minimum, enough to maintain. that is in the villages, where i thankfully live. i dont care if city dwellers extinct themselves in their small slave containers they call apartments. by default people have more kids in generational homes, ive yet to see europeans having lots of kids when living on their own. it is not happening, by that logic swedes would have 50 million people, and not being pushed into extinction by arabs.
do the numbers, the most populous places are where generational homes exist. God forgive me for saying this, look at that rathole india, all live in small favelas with 10 rat members.
if you want me to say it, its better to be poor with families and friends and children, than to be rich faggot dying alone in some apartment because "MUH RICH IF LIVE ALONE" mentality.

>>509298902 (OP)
Moving out is a bad decision from a financial standpoint, and we're generally closer to our families so there's less friction or they even encourage us to stay. Personally I'd only consider moving out if I were to get married and have children, which I won't.

>>509315788
You and the delusional spaniard will end up being slaves that produce food to their brown masters much like south african farmers and you will desere nothing less.

Im telling you how things stand and how you can confirm it by cross referencing stats and your answer is "stop being defeatist just do it bro!".

Let me hear you brag about your 100IQ as well.

>>509298902 (OP)
>1pbtid
go fuck yourself

>>509316227
So what, now its bad i have my own fields and food? whats next, you want me to move out and eat bugs?
ok, il hear you out. suggest me the perfect living state of man. where should i live, what should i do, with whom?
i will give you a benefit of the doubt, me and spaniard, i dont know who you are mentioning in this thread. but we suggest whats been standard for longer than humans had civilizations.
Suggest me an alternative. im listening.

>>509316246
>>1pbtid
go tell the reddit mods, they will ban him

>>509316479
No. In my alternative I would have cut your throat for wasting my time and goodwill with your 100IQ rhetoric.

>>509316604
So you dont have an alternative. you are just a defeatist faggot. with hatred that blinds him. maybe even a jew.
ive used my words on an idiot that cant even provide an alternative. here is another (you) we are done discussing, degenerate.

>>509316721
Why would I provide you with an alternative to being an abused slave that exists to produce food for his brown masters when I explicitly said that this is all you deserve? Are you bellow 100IQ?

>>509316227
You're maybe a bit unhinged but absolutely correct Papadopoulos. It's all cope, first of all the parent-children-grandchildren relations are nothing like they were during actual peasant multi-gen homes (shacks), people have children much later. By natural law, the oldest male maintains authority, fuck raising children like that. Another huge problem is that such families tend to be clannish, tribal mentality. It's not a coincidence that fraud and dishonesty is much more prevalent in based favela societies since non-familiars are untrustworthy strangers instead of compatriots. This way of thinking pours out of many posts in this thread. The optimal solution is living within walking distance of your parents' house.

>>509317079
>It's all cope
I know it is. You have got to be completely delusional to think you are "winning" cause muh "trad generational homes" or muh "civilization" or whatever.

>>509317624
Or even on a personal level. Imagine having to wake up on a schedule and you consider yourself a "winner" lmao.

>>509301678
>I know something even sadder - working with your parents in a non-Instagrammable, women-repellent job because the pay is good and normal jobs simply can't compete.
go on ...

>>509298902 (OP)

>>509298902 (OP)
I live with my parents because I have long covid.
I am a literal medcel.

A long, long time ago, older than you can imagine, a Jew read this thread very carefully. He read is so as to understand everything in it. But, once he did, he became the master of this world and all others became his servants.

>>509300476
here it means host

>>509298902 (OP)
>why poor people are poor
Poverty and a higher percentage of home ownership by their boomer parents. Rental is not very sought after here

>>509300660
Orthodoxy is based Protestants are actually deceived my demons. Russian church is great orc fren.

>>509298902 (OP)
I lived with my parents until 32
All that time I saved enough money for a mortgage downpayment.
Now I have my own place and pay 400€ every month wich is far less than rent of an apartment or even a room in a big city.

My peers who left their parents home early are now renting a shitty room for 600€ and have 0 money left at the end of the month

>>509298902 (OP)
The more unmarried people live at home with their parents, the more property is available for newly-wedded couples for less money.

>>509298902 (OP)
I am the 4%