Why are we supposed to be against EVs again?

>>509373705 (OP)
because they're gay and god hates fags

>>509373705 (OP)
Because our vehicles un on gasoline, having them is an embodiment to American freedom.

Simple non-American faggotry.

not very smart to be bearish on ur number 1 export oil

norway is retarded

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway? More like Snoreway.

>>509373705 (OP)
>Why
Imagine one burning, violently.
You're trapped inside, electric doors wont open.

>>509373705 (OP)
There isn't enough lithium in the world to electrify it.

>>509373705 (OP)
EV rely on the government not shutting down the electricity grid and also not draining your cars battery (they are known to do this in America)
EV cars are easier to control the population with, you can't reliable store electricity like you can fuel.
So if the government pulls another covid stay in your house bs they can force people to by preventing the cars from having charges.
Or people trying to leave the state because they no longer like its laws will be stuck.

>>509373705 (OP)
Wait until they find out that they need to replace every EV battery in 6 years because they can't handle that many charge cycles.

>>509373705 (OP)
Pure resistance to change.
Ironically evs are much more decentralized. Gasoline cars require infrastructure. Evs only need power, you could power a car with offgrid energy

>>509373705 (OP)
>Elon Musk (jew) being intentionally a faggot invoke controversy where it's not needed.

>>509373705 (OP)
>Why are we supposed to be against EVs again?
Let's see if their electrical grid can hold up lol...even with the amount of energy Norway is generating through hydropower.

>>509373705 (OP)
>polluting the earth with fuel you burn in your car
:/
>polluting the earth with fuel you burn at a power plant to convert to electricity you put in your car
:)

>>509373705 (OP)
All EV’s have kill switches not to mention you will start getting charged by the mile.
Also you will own nothing and be happy.

>>509374025
>Ironically evs are much more decentralized.
fucking bugman narrow eyed retard

>>509373705 (OP)
Because the current (and future planned) power grids cannot handle the load.

>>509373997
>the government can turn off the sun
Don't be retarded.

>>509373705 (OP)
Also current battery tech (lithium) has been setup to make the ccp rich funding more "hold back the west" garbage around the globe.

>>509373705 (OP)
there has yet to be a fundamental shift in battery tech that will make them economically and efficiently viable

implying we shouldnt be using green energy to artificially manufacture oil to put in your car

having a generator in your car will always be more efficient than putting it in a battery and then transferring it somewhere else

>>509373705 (OP)
Yeah, about that...

ICE engines sound cool

>>509373705 (OP)
>Why
Many homes have a bedroom over the garage.

>>509374011
>6 years

Thats being pretty generous. And its not like one day your battery holds a charge and the next it doesnt.
A half dead battery means your car goes half as many miles before needing plugged in again.

Its also a matter of being so far up your own ass that you think you're helping the environment by offloading the pollution onto the raw energy production and lithium pollution from all the gucking batteries that will be in demand. Its also crazy how much the hazards of battery disposal are downplayed, and what effevt multiplying that by a factor of X will be when more people slop it up with EVs.

>>509374025

You are so fucking retarded it's not even funny. All the faggots are shilling "green, renewable energy" and moving away from nuclear energy. Then they all start shilling EVs, despite the fact that the electric infrastructure is severely lacking the potential to convert every single car to EV, without having the entire country electric network implode. And to top it all off they also want to close the nuclear reactors, so even if the infrastructure was sufficient, the produced energy still wouldn't be enough. And the best part is that the biggest limiting factor is the Li and the Co, which are not only rare, but also hard to mine and basically impossible to be recycled (without huge energy losses and inefficiencies).
In short - stop being a faggot, get your hands off my ICE car and don't you even dare touch the nuclear reactors. I don't want your Jewish products. Fuck off.

>>509374025
nigga ur a sinkie. Who cares if it's decentralised. its not like your HDB got solar meh ? Cannot lah

They don't make cool explosion noises

>>509374075
Norway's power is 88% hydroelectric tho.
They're basically giving electricity away for free sometimes

>>509374475
>moving away from nuclear
People who want EVs typically also want nuclear.
What kind of mental retardation is this?

>>509374293
They're investing in sodium battery fabs because they perform better in the cold but, they're like 60 percent less energy dense or w/e. Basically, battery tech is dogshit.

>>509373705 (OP)
imagine how easy it would be to cripple a country that relies on electricity. the distribution of electricity is so centralized compared to oil/gas.
this seems like a huge tactical blunder. those cars are going to be useless when WW3 breaks out

>>509373705 (OP)
>Why
Don't take a nap in your car.

>>509373705 (OP)
Autism man bad
So lightning car bad

Isn't a hybrid better than a pure EV?

>>509373940
Australia has the same problem, we are switching to renewables despite having enough coal and uranium and selling it to China.

>>509374573
>power GRID
>centralized
That's like saying the internet is centralized and could be taken down easily lmao
You could take out regional power for a few hours and that's if you're doing a lot of damage in very specific areas. You aren't going to somehow take down the entire grid even if you were a nation state

>>509373705 (OP)
Nobody ever made steam engines illegals.
Nobody ever taxed steam engine to death.
You are doing those things because you know EV are inferior.

>>509373705 (OP)
They are too quiet. I want my town to be LOUD.

VRRROOOOOOOM NIGGER

VRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>509374355
What we must do is to invest more than pocket money in fusion energy, which is the only thing capable to replace fossils.

>>509374540
What?

Try using free gas in an electric

>>509374257
Nigger most states require you to feed back into the grid. Even if you are able to, you have to have the wealth to build your own infrastructure to do so. That's not economically feasible for the majority of people. All of this EV shit is about control and tieing you to the grid.

>>509374951
If you're going to live off grid, that means generating your own energy. If you rely on a fuel station for energy you will run out in no time at all.

>>509374722
yeah but they also didn’t have the internet and infinity food back then. those niggers NEEDED to get places.

4/10 people on the roads literally don’t need to be there. it’s only going to get worse.

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway doesn't charge the 25% VAT on electric cars. You get free or discounted rides on ferries as well as toll bridges. You get free registration. Many councils offer free or discounted parking. Etc, etc etc. The Norwegian government steals from the taxpayer and uses the money to force social control.

>>509375125
go jump off a bridge.

Electrics have less hero potential.

>>509375113
You don't need guns.
You don't need a familial house.
You don't need more than gruel.
You don't need freedom.
You don't need rights.
You don't need to leave town.
You don't need independent medias.

The elite know what's best for you. Have faith in them.

>>509373705 (OP)
Because governments are using tax payer money to incentivize and subsidize the purchase of EVs. I've seen so many programs "Give up your ICE car and get up to 25% on your first EV purchase", also, they are creating these "green zones" in our cities where only EVs are allowed and if you come there in an ICE car, you will need to pay.
People who buy gas for their ICE cars pay a tax that is used to repair the roads but which cars damage the road more? A 1.3-ton gas car or a 2-ton EV? EVs are almost always heavier than gas cars because a gas car carries maybe 60 liters of fuel in its gas tank but an EV might have a 500 kilo battery... And still somehow less range than a gas car.
They are a humiliation ritual and the government knows this. If all the rules were equal for ICE cars and EVs, there would be much fewer EVs on the road.

>>509374542
The mental retardation is the American AI-bot who reads at 5th-grade comprehension levels.

He's talking about governments and congressmen, not people.

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway? More like No Way!

>>509373945
Mechanical doors also fail
They should have a redundancy though

>>509374425
>A half dead battery means your car goes half as many miles before needing plugged in again.
All the EV guys avoid this part. Looking at Rimac when they did their top speed run, within 40 seconds it produced 2/3rds of its max power due to draining the battery at that speed, meaning that at 60% or so it can't make max power. So there seems to be a small operating window for the EV to be capable of delivering max power on demand, whereas an ICE will produce max power 24/7 with fuel and cooling without any drop.
And I spoke to a guy at Ferrari, and they said in their newer hybrid model that it should just be run is "qualifying" mode 24/7 to keep the battery at 100% since it uses the ICE to constantly charge it, but I don't know how much power it requires from the engine to do that.

E-motors and batteries only seem to make sense on cars if they're producing an extra 100-200hp or less, and only as a hybrid system with an ICE rather than a pure EV.

>>509376069
whats the point of electric cars when u can put a self driving software in a gas car

and u dont have to wait for it to charge

it makes no sense to use electric even in 2200

>>509373945
Ok but what does this have to do with EVs?

>>509373705 (OP)
>Like the steam engine - quaint, but primitive
Is this nigger unaware that almost all power generation is based on steam engines?
Fucking fission reactors are just advanced steam engines.

>>509373705 (OP)
Evs are more toxic

>>509373705 (OP)
how many people drive in Norway? every day?
also im sure theres some gay EU regulation that makes it so they literally cant buy an ICE vehicle.

>>509373705 (OP)
we need grid energy for bitcoin and ai

>>509376122
because that would cause too much pollution!!! (please ignore chinese lithium mining and battery manufacturing pollution)

evs suck, the battery tech is not there not hooking them up to powerlines is retarted

>>509374025
>Ironically evs are much more decentralized
You can turn and machine every component of a diesel engine in a backyard workshop with a fairly cheap lathe/mill combo.
You can make your own bio/diesel out of almost anything, including all kinds of waste products.

You CANNOT make your own EV-tier batteries in a home workshop.
You CANNOT make photovoltaics at home.
You can make pretty slick wind turbines though.

>>509373881
...//////////////////////////////////////////////////thread

>>509376451
>You can make your own bio/diesel out of almost anything
I hate evs but this is not true, you also can't create your own motor oil without some sophisticated industrial process (I've looked into it many years ago)

motor oil is what will fuck you over, not gasoline

>>509373705 (OP)
Because EVs are being forced as a universal solution to a nuanced problem? I've been to Germany and EVs work great there, where the climage is temperate. I live in Minnesota, where it gets ass-blastingly cold there several months a year and hot and humid the rest of the year. I imagine everywhere south of Tennessee is ungodly humid and hot, and everywhere in the US southwest is just really fucking hot. Not exactly ideal battery conditions. And those aren't even extremes. Imagine trying to keep that circuitry alive in bumfuck Siberia, the Aussie wastelands, or some Honduran jungle. Not to mention the risks involved in substantially heavier cars, battery recycling/disposal, and the fact that you are still burning fossil fuels to keep the power plants running.

>>509376161
Elon Musk is not just malicious, but a total moron.

>>509373705 (OP)
The technology doesn't work and they're not functional replacements for combustion engines at all. Also, the amount of carbon emissions increase from all the carbon energy they have to produce to supply EVs with power. Then there's the strip mining for rare earth metals required to build batteries, the chemical waste they produce, the unstoppable fire hazards, etc.

>>509373705 (OP)
>more telemetry
>more spying
>takes long time to charge
>burns your family alive
>weird looks
>fake sounds
>shit quality

>>509376765
YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY !

>>509376136
you stupid faggot, the batteries in those oversized golf carts burn underwater or in the vacuum of space, they burn all the time, apparently you never read the news

>>509376595
You can absolutely create diesel fuels out of damn near anything, some madlads are even making it out of waste plastic.
You're right about motor oil, though - just about anything you can mix up at home (shy of buying the precursors by the barrel) will make you a vastly inferior lubricant, and you'll be fucking your engine up.
Still, buying a barrel of motor oil is infinitely more feasible than setting up a Li-ion battery manufacturing station in your shed.

I hate Elon more and more with each passing day

>>509374553
Yup, we'll probably get to a good spot eventually, but its certainly not now

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway is super rich and they subsidized the fuck out of electric cars and electricity. I assume they taxed ICE cars heavily too.

What's wrong with nordicks?
Seriously, why are Scandinavians so gay?

>>509373940
You want to sell the oil to foreign buyers for a high price. Not fuel the domestic economy with it.

>>509373705 (OP)
That's nice, I'm still not changing over to an electric car.
I'm going to keep my petrol car with a manual gear box and I'm not changing because I like it. I like the sound of it, I like how it drives, I like the feel of it, the pleasure it gives me when I drive it.
Best part is? It takes me 30 seconds to put fuel in my cars another 1-2minutes to pay for my petrol and I'm good to go for another 150-200 miles no worries.
You can keep your cobalt slave labour electric vehicles, I'll stick with my good old fashioned oil rig extraction power that harmed no one.

>>509374425
>Its also a matter of being so far up your own ass that you think you're helping the environment by offloading the pollution onto the raw energy production and lithium pollution from all the gucking batteries that will be in demand.

So these things don't happen with gasoline cars? There is zero pollution and from producing gasoline and disel? And it takes no energy?

>>509373705 (OP)
Not the right country, but still applicable

>>509376136
>what does this have to do with EVs?
Cell phone sized powerbank did this.
Imagine what an EV battery does
Passengers were lucky it happened *before* takeoff.

>>509373705 (OP)
energy density and safety tied to that energy density are the two biggest reasons for why EVs aren't a huge thing. next up is cost. most people can't afford an ev and to install a two phase charger. after that, once widespread adoption happens, we run into power transmission issues. You'd have to, at minimum, double the power transmission capabilities of every line servicing domiciles. They wanted to roll all of this change out in ten years. It took a century to build our petrol service network we have today, through private business investment. Electricity is run through utilities that are heavily regulated by the government. what could go wrong? Now you want all semi trucks and medium duty trucks to be EVs? Each semi is basically a small foundry in terms of power it needs for one 6-8 hour shift. Hydrocarbons are just sequestered solar energy, and we should use it while we have it, because once it is gone or no longer being used, things will become much more expensive. Allow the marketplace to organically shift to a superior product instead of legislating us all into electrical shortages.

>>509374542
do they? all the pro-environment western types hate nuclear as far as I've seen.
they have no problem building more coal or oil plants to power their EVs though.

>>509373881
Fpbp

>>509373705 (OP)
idk I never used a gas powered bench grinder and my grandfather gave me his and it still runs like new so fags gonna fag

>>509379280
so your problem isn’t the instant torque or the speed - it’s the fact that the car has a reservoir of explosive material that could explode and cause a fire

good thing we have gasoline cars otherwise that would be a serious issue

>(all EV’s or gasoline cars with electric lock mechanisms have manual releases per federal law btw)

>97% of all cars sold were EV
>0% of those were teslas

>>509377274
Fuck off Ireland. You pay the most for electricity out of the entire world. Your shitty wind power is bad and it costs more. You still have to import natural gas because wind and solar simply don't work without gas peaker plants and a complex grid. That's why renewables suck and cost more in the end.

>>509373705 (OP)
I can repair and tune my petrol car myself quite easily as these cars are relatively simple in terms of how they operate. Plus, fuel is a mostly cheap and pretty stable liquid that can be easily accessed and transported if needs be.

Repairing and tuning a gay EV yourself is just never going to be possible for 99.9% of people. And the means to charge the battery is just not easily transportable or accessible.

Scandicucks are just useless, effeminate faggots who are more than happy to give up any reasonable ability to self-repair their shit or whatever because they are all just metrosexual yuppies.

does anybody have that landscape shot? looks pretty and that's all i came into this thread for

>>509373705 (OP)
Ya not getting trapped in the wilderness because a power line goes down a hundred kilometers away. Kill yourself

>>509373705 (OP)
>Combustion engine cars will be like the steam engine
Ubiquitous in thermal power generation? Steam turbines are used in most kinds of power plant.

>>509380847
Sure just keep the Sontarans out of it

>rare earth minerals
>Africa (China,) Australia.
>Not fossil fuels but still fossil energy use removed from end user, and in production
We still need fossil fuels for everything else. Such greenwashing scam. Cars are just becoming retarded.
>But new thing can cost more
Fuck this gay society.

>>509374257

>>509373881
Fp bp

>>509377007
To be fair the ones exploding are chinese.

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway is subsidizing EVs like hell.

>>509374071
>Let's see if their electrical grid can hold up
That is not the problem.
It's that it's waste.

>>509373705 (OP)
They devalue at a rate of 8-12k per year. They're a disaster for the middle class.

There needs to be a system where you don't own the battery, you borrow it. BYD solved this with swappable batteries, makes charging quicker too to just swap them at a station. Western scam companies don't want to do this, they love EVs because they force the consumer to pay out the ass for planned obsolescence garbage.

>>509373705 (OP)
Because all EV cars are literally moving botnet that not just it shares your location in real time, but also can be remotely killed and shared with bank or police if needed. Plus the engineers are laughing at the you and your family footage, and jacking off to your wife naked boobs.
btw, all that happened with Tesla, google them. thanks no thanks, I will still use my mustang 2014 for another 3 decades

>>509382141
That's all new cars.

>>509373705 (OP)
we will see what happens when norgay's oil runs out and they can subsidize their EV scheme.

Evs arent nothing new, theyve been around since the 19th century and have always been shit. Thats a really long time with barely any advancement, they are still shit and nobody wants them hence the mandates and subsidies

>>509373941
imma gonna see some lions now

>>509382214
>can
I meant can't

>>509373881
fpbp

>>509382190
No, new cars don't have remote kill switch like ALL EV, some don't even have cameras except the backup one, others not even a screen with apps just the old bluetooth one.
>bbb but ECU is a computer mmmkkkaaaay!!
yeah you have to literally connect to it, nothing is remote

Not every country has access to this much cheap hydroelectric energy. The entire country is basically mountains and water.

>>509373705 (OP)
software cars, the moment we added computer to cars they started to use them create way to create false scarcity, and false options.

>car has everything
>car is sold and they make profits
>they make you pay to turn on things you already have in your car.

>>509374257
The weather does that, retard.
Solar is ok as an additive but relying on it is retarded.

>>509380200
Norway has one of the lowest energy prices in Europe and is an exporter. And it's hydro. Their oil is sold to foreign retards who like to huffs fumes.

>>509373705 (OP)
I don't think the combustion engine will be phased out for awhile. Infrastructure is ongoing process and the EV market still has not produced a vehicle for the everyday family.

>>509373705 (OP)
Because you don't have as much water energy per capita as the norway niggers.

>>509375256
Seems like the elites are building a new Soviet Union because that aptly describes it.

New Explosive Vehicles (EVs) are shilled because they can be remotely controlled and shut down unlike older gas and diesel cars.

>>509377274
>be country that is only rich because of Apple
>"noooo! you're country can't have an industry that gives cheap resources to the public so they can drive anywhere they want for nothing! You have to make the richest sell it B2B so only the rich can benefit from it!"
Fuck off you 94 IQ potato nigger, we should have wiped you all out after you all died because you couldn't learn to farm anything other than pomme de terres. We have the same issue in the UK where we have abundant oil but nobody gave a shit about investing in refinement infrastructure so we literally buy it back at a higher price than what it costs to drill for it.

>>509373705 (OP)
>look at this percentage!
>doesn't say the number because it points out that car sales are just down not EVs spiking hard
Uh huh

>>509373705 (OP)
> Why are we against EVs?

Lmao there is no "we"

/pol/ is loaded with retards of all stripes. There is no hivemind here, you want that, go to Reddit or something.

Anyway, to answer the real question, why so many here oppose EVs: Retards brainwashed by kike-controled petroleum industry, of course

There's like 4, maybe 3 EVs I've literally ever considered as a choice, and they are all beyond my rational scope due to their nature, it being hyper luxurious or limited edition concept.
EVs are like goyslop in vehicular form, plastic food for plastic goyim in plastic (toy)cars.

>>509373705 (OP)
Is Norway not really cold anymore? These retards know those "cars" will be junk in 5 years when the cold kills their batteries, right?

>>509382457
You are not allowed to drive a gasoline car in many cities in norway and they have huge subsidies on evs. On top of that, their electricity price is low because of hydropower. So they have the ideal situation, but it still costs them a lot of money to switch. It's crazy how small-minded resource rich nations are. Norway is facing the same fate as Saudi Arabia.

>>509377274
>high Price
If the demand drops you cannot demand a high price

>>509380005
>instantaneous torque
Lol, I'll enjoy it once you can find any torque in an EV.
Also, I like actually going places other than work and back home, but you enjoy your ~150 mile range. Yes, the ranges these companies tell you are lies and are at best laboratory benchmarks if not just straight up theoretical maximums.

>>509373705 (OP)
i hate climate faggots so much it's unreal

>>509373705 (OP)
Better alternatives such as hydrogen.

>>509383114
Does not pay off. All serious calculations have resulted in a production price that is far too expensive. But at least you could continue to use large parts of the infrastructure. Gas is and remains king. I'm betting on a future with oilseeds and diesel. But first the jews will rip us off for a few more years before reality catches up.

>>509382555
EVs are also dependent on your kike controlled petroleum industry.

>>509374692
That's so when our population IQ average is 80 it won't be too difficult to maintain power generation.

>>509373705 (OP)
no superchargers infrastructure everywhere = useless. even people who like EVs had to give up on them cause of lack of chargers
everything else is secondary

>>509383873
Coal is way easier to maintain than solar.

most EV parts are from china and explode. Hell, not even white people can make EVs stable.
It's extremely unreliable technology that needs more research. I hope all those Norwayniggers burn.

>>509380847
learn to wind your own motors and how canbus works for teh ebin electric car mods

>>509383873
>IQ average is 80
africans never mastered any energy generation
I dont think they even had steam engines

>>509373881

>>509373705 (OP)
Because morons like>>509373881
were fed propaganda from traditional car manufacturers and have never given it any thought

>>509373705 (OP)
1. Making battery generates a lot of pollution as CO2.
2. I don’t see direct evidence that human activities causes global warming.

>>509373705 (OP)
Lol batteries are terrible in the cold, this is a retarded statement.

>>509373705 (OP)
easy to be an EV heaven when you have infinite money from oil to export AND infinite free electric power from waterfalls
without that Norgay would still be eating rotten fish that's sat in the ground for six months
pic related is Norgay's entire success

>>509384692
Incorect. They had a shitload of slaves to power their economies before whitey destroyed it all to build modern cities.

>>509382304
Lol you're a naive retard.

>>509373705 (OP)
Fuck elon musk, he's a fucking aspie with friends, and money.

He isn't intelligent.

>>509382455
why are british "people" so emotional and why do they all have a drinking problem like you do?

>>509385390
they need it to cope for their teeth.

>>509373705 (OP)
>tiny country and too dangerous to walk on the street or take the bus
wow congrats

>>509385373
Lmfao

>look guys, AI told me my idea was great, Elons an idiot!

>we need to bring water into space

Not only that

>we need to heat it up to make it into steam

I'll let you figure out why you're retarded. Good luck

>>509373705 (OP)
>Why are we supposed to be against EVs again?
EVs are in principle superior, much simpler, more powerful, reliable, amazing - with one huge issue, the battery. Battery is expensive as fuck, gets shitty after a couple years, very limited range, charging takes too long.

People especially hate EVs because the government is mandating and pressuring to buy EVs. Which is retarded. Fix the battery, and economics has everyone getting a EV by choice, not by legoregulatory pressure. Battery needs to be dirt cheap, thousands-mile range, last a long time, and charge in under 2 minutes. All the rebates for EVs and all this bullshit.. all that money should have gone into battery R&D.

>>509373705 (OP)
Surveillance machines that third parties can intermediate. Tied to a credit score, your next ride could be to a voluntary quarantine camp. Computer says so.

>>509373705 (OP)
Is there a charging station on top of that mountain?

>>509385945
The US government literally rebuilt all the cities to make them only usable by car. But since it happened le 80 years ago nobody cares

>>509373940
Oil is used for more than car fuel. You aware than energy infrastructure is under massive strain? Almost as if investing in electric car infrastructure allows more fuel for power stations which is a more efficient use than distributed said fuel to cars. Less civilian transportation frees up a lot of stuff for industrial applications, makes industry on a whole cheaper. As if Norway isn't invested in other petrochemical use cases as well. As if the world isn't gearing up for war. U r dumb xD

>>509385465
KEK

>>509373705 (OP)
because on the opposite side of the globe is similarly sized country that was absolutely trashed to harvest the disposable batteries from

-their land and water will be polluted by the chemicals used to strip the minerals away from what they mined
-the local populations will be displaced because the gov will take bribes to cut deals with mining companies
-entire mountains will be gutted for the minerals underneath, forever changing the landscape

the worst part about EVs, is that it's causing permanent damage to the land and polluting the land longer than most of us will live all for the sake of a temporary EV craze, that's right, it's all temp because hydrogen is THE sustainable future of automobiles, not electric

you're all watching a retard narcissist single-handedly work to permanently alter the entire planet for the worse, just so he can cash in on it and then waste it on stupid shit like getting migaman elected

do you see the line of causation here now? it leads back to one single bald fat niggerfaggot you were told to never trust

>>509385748
Sigh, you really do have shitty reading comprehension, you utilize the sun's power, you stupid fuck. It was a literal 10 minute idea, and you can't even grasp the concept, that is hysterical.

>>509373705 (OP)
What happens to the environment when mining for a single lithium battery?

>>509386171
That is not true. The amount of work done with 1l of gasoline by a internal combustion engine is larger than the work done with 1l of gasoline by burning it in a power plant, transmitting the electricity to a charging station, charging the battery, and operating an electric motor. Each of the steps causes a loss of efficiency for electric cars.

>>509373705 (OP)
foremost because there are no "old" EVs
they force you into having modern, dumbed down, super complex, privacy hellish plastic garbage

>>509376765
>all your friends will think youre a latent homosexual
Dont forget that one

>>509384831
>destroying third world shitholes for lithium is ok
>why are all the brownoids here
you're a gay too

>>509373705 (OP)
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>>509388562
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>>509373705 (OP)
Whocares

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>>509388731
뭐지 이 ㅂㅅ은?

>>509373881
Does god hate Norway, a country with the most beautiful and rich people on the planet?

>>509373705 (OP)
Norway may not be a good example. They are the world's 9th largest fossil fuel exporter while having a tiny population of 5m. Per capita, they are in the top 3 worst offenders in the entire world.

>>509376048
In the 70's sure, retard

>>509373940
Electricity is just cheaper.
Solar panels are stupid cheap now per kW, oil is going to be dead soon.

>>509373705 (OP)
Primarily due to failure to deliver on the "Being a functional car" part.
Utterly insufficient range, gargantuan weight, infrastructural adaptation requirements, risks (fires, frontloading reliance on electricity nets), vulnerability to temperature, salt and moisture (Good luck Norway kek), limited load capacity interfering heavily with the effective range, high costs, subsidy-reliance andsoforth.

No electric tech got overtaken by the combustion engine around the turn of the century... from the 1800s to the 1900s.

For all intents and purposes it, not combustion engines, is the equivalent of the steam engine.

>>509387740
Europe is heading to net 0% by 2030-40.
They won't be burning liquid fuel in powerplants except for extremely low power situations, and at the point they will have so much spare electricity at peak, they can use inneficient energy storage and still come out on top.

>>509373705 (OP)
Too bad. I'm currently hauling ass all over California in my 2016 Camaro SS.

>>509388900
They’ve been saying this forever and they’ve always been wrong.

>>509389039
At the current rate all we're headed for is 0% EU existence by that time.

Reality doesn't run on the hot air of politics, no matter how "necessary" anyone thinks it is.

>>509380005
My favorite part about EV's is how their batteries are already causing more environmental damage then petrol cars ever did, while also taxing electrical grids to their breaking point.

>>509388262
The goysoline shills suddenly care about the environment when their precious black sludge is under threat from EVs.

>>509373705 (OP)
Mandatory EVs are mass-demobilization.
There aren't the resources on earth to replace all ICEs with EVs, which means only the elite will possess individual mobility in their imagined future.
Fuck them, fuck EVs, fuck the kikes

>>509389195
You libtards just can't help but reveal yourself, can you?

>>509373881
You are a retard who will seem sillier with every passing year as BEVs get increasingly better.

>>509373705 (OP)
Aren't EVs terrible for cold environment? IIRC, battery dies faster in cold temps and there's no heating?

>>509373705 (OP)
>failing grifter tries to grift his product

Baffling xaomi is still better

>>509389195
>EV shills only care about the environment until their chosen method of destruction is convenient.
Yes, thanks for clarifying. Your disingenuous nature is why I reject your suggestions to begin with.

>>509389039
>net zero by 2030-2040
Why wait? We could achieve net zero TODAY by paying 1.000.000.000.000€ to Shekelstein's CO2 offset fund.

Net zero doesn't mean "no emissions". It just means reinterpreting the data.

Like Norway. Your 5m people can domestically run on clean energy, while contributing the MTCO2 equivalent of ONE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE

>>509389163
Nice source anon

>>509389163
Anon do you know why the power grid in Texas failed during the last blizzard?

I want a self driving ev robo taxi.

I like EVs because they're convenient for daily driving, and they have very low noise pollution. I can walk next to a road and have a conversation.
I like combustion engine cars because they're fun.
Enthusiasts over here still own and maintain pure combustion engine cars. There are motorcycle and car meetups every year. My uncle has a supra. So we enjoy both, but EVs and hybrids are taking over daily driving and commuting for most people.

It has also made a VERY noticeable decrease in air pollution during winter time. There's a street nearby that runs between two mountains. During winter time all the car exhausts from multiple roads would gather in this valley and made breathing unpleasant. This is no longer a problem.
So overall I'm happy about EVs, as long as they don't straight up outlaw combustion engines. Because let's be real, if 90% of drivers are driving hybrid or EV, that's good enough. One E30 is not going to ruin the planet.

>>509389163
https://sustainability.stackexchange.com/questions/10418/how-exactly-do-the-impacts-of-lithium-mining-compare-to-oil-extraction-over-a-ve

>This means that the 2,250 L/kg *6 kg = 13,300 kg of water usage for the electric vehicle should be compared with 2,000 L/yr * 10 yr *0.5 kg/L = 10,000 kg of water usage to create petroleum for the conventional car.

>battery factories do not appear to have significant waste outputs. The refineries, on the other hand, have a long list of toxic by-products and problems associated with leakage in the input supply chain.

>Electric vehicles have a lower carbon footprint than comparable petrol vehicles

>There's one fundamental difference in the comparison that cannot be ignored. It is the impact of lithium recycling. Lithium as an atom cannot vanish so recycling is very efficient, nearly 100%

>>509374652
They make more sense to me, although the battery will still need to be replaced at some point.

>>509389163
I don't think the electrical grid argument is a good one. We should upgrade the grid regardless to meet our current and future needs.
The EV environmental damage is a good one, and I don't see many lefty libs talk about it for whatever reason. You'd think they would be all over it.

>>509373705 (OP)
>double the price of equivalent gasoline vehicle, maintenance and fuel gap maybe makes up for a 10% price premium
>unreliable as fuck
>Manufacturers don't include electric drive motor in warranty coverage, only the battery
>Level 3 charging still takes retarded amount of time. So unless you like stopping for a sandwich every 2 hours it's basically garbage for road trips.

>>509373705 (OP)
they fucking suck and are gay and retarded
also norway taxes ICE vehicles like 100+% to make EVs cheaper by comparison