Discussion of ETII - An explanation for trannies, furries, and more. - /pol/ (#509373924) [Archived: 650 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: fWrKm6jH
7/3/2025, 7:46:01 AM No.509373924
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Let's talk about ETLEs and ETIIs, /pol/. Now, you probably haven't heard those abbreviations before. Let me explain.

Based on studies of heterosexual male fetishists, transvestites, and transsexuals, Blanchard (1991) proposed the existence of a hitherto unrecognized paraphilic dimension, erotic target location errors (ETLEs), involving the erroneous location of erotic targets in the environment.
ETLEs can involve preferential attention to a peripheral or inessential part of an erotic target, manifesting as fetishism, or mislocation of an erotic target in one's own body, manifesting as the desire to impersonate or become a facsimile of the erotic target (e.g., transvestism). ETLEs are believed to manifest in men whose preferred erotic targets are women, children, men, amputees, plush animals, and real animals.

Blanchard suggested that these paraphilic sexual interests represented erotic target location errors, i.e., developmental errors in locating erotic targets in the environment. Because the desire to impersonate or become a facsimile of the kind of person to whom one is attracted can have significant implications for identity, Freund and Blanchard coined the term erotic target identity inversion (ETII) to describe this type of ETLE. The best-known examples of ETIIs occur in men who are sexually attracted to women and who are also sexually aroused by the idea of impersonating or becoming women. Also known today as "transgenders".

ETII is a specific type of ETLE, where a person's sexual arousal is directed towards themselves, often in a different physical form or identity. When one's sexual arousal is based on imagining oneself in another physical form (such as an animal, the erotic target is said to be one's self, or erotic target identity inversion (ETII).

Thoughts?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-008-9446-6
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19308843/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_target_location_error
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Anonymous ID: PDbWtzAIUnited States
7/3/2025, 7:50:48 AM No.509374166
>sexualities that lie outside of the norm of benis in bagina means mental illness
no fucking shit, sherlock
Anonymous ID: qWvQ8dauBhutan
7/3/2025, 7:55:10 AM No.509374394
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>>509373924 (OP)
10% accurate, tops
as usual
oooof
Anonymous ID: Qhgf2jNVUnited States
7/3/2025, 7:58:15 AM No.509374550
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>>509373924 (OP)
It sounds like the type of science that will have to be done in the future where it's not illegal to think such thoughts.
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Anonymous ID: dQXlEiyYUnited States
7/3/2025, 7:59:35 AM No.509374614
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>>509373924 (OP)
Breaking out the ufo faggotry huh? You catch an iranian missile or something faggot?
Anonymous ID: dQXlEiyYUnited States
7/3/2025, 8:00:14 AM No.509374649
>>509373924 (OP)
Whoops,
wrong thread.
Anonymous ID: wQ7Lsskh
7/3/2025, 8:05:47 AM No.509374905
i am a classic mtf who gets off on wearing my mothers clothing including make up and a wig of hair that looks like hers - short dark red hair - or else as slutty as possible, especially 'africanized' slutwear for mature white women like animal print blouses, large gold earrings etc., black heels and stockings etc., or else all black leather top with a blonde bimbo curly wig, and i imagine her being fucked by black men while i am dressed like that watching and locked in chastity or else being fucked/sucking bbc myself, while being racially humiliated, also wearing toilet seats/being pissed on, whipped etc./other masochism/extreme humiliation, eg forced into prostitution with/by mother and her black boyfriends dominating me. i have an asian dominatrix my mothers age who does all this to/for me and lets me call her mother and lets me wear all such clothes, whips me, does hypnosis role play (its not real) but i've only ever been forced to have oral sex with old white men, sigh. i've never had sex with a woman, only kissed
Anonymous ID: fWrKm6jH
7/3/2025, 8:10:14 AM No.509375160
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>>509373924 (OP)
The creator of the modern-day "trans" flag was also a heavy victim of ETII.

Robert Hogge ("Monica Helms") discovered he was a "woman" when he wore his own mother's underwear and watched bras rolling in the laundromat he worked at.
He expressed desires to be a little girl, as well as writing stories containing things such as child brides and a man assuming his dead wife's identity.
>"Sexual excitement topped the list of what came over me while wearing women's clothes."

The blue and pink stripes on the "trans" flag are meant to represent babies, according to him.
>"The stripes at the top and bottom are light blue, the traditional color for baby boys. The stripes next to them are pink, the traditional color for baby girls." - Robert Hogge
https://web.archive.org/web/20120301065716/http://www.monicahelms.com/blog/category/tg-pride-flag
Anonymous ID: UKW02yNKGermany
7/3/2025, 8:14:53 AM No.509375356
>>509374550
They are just naming and classifying the obvious. Just the framing makes it controversial or not...
>>509373924 (OP)
The abbreviations aren't useful. Erotic target location errors aren't generally paraphilic. So you should write that "Blanchard suggest paraphilic sexual interest are..."
If you want to keep a strong point. You are damaging your point with "that these" in my opinion.
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SS ID: 3hFAPls7United States
7/3/2025, 8:15:23 AM No.509375376
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>>509373924 (OP)
>if it makes you horny then you want to be that thing
>you think women are hot so you wanna be one FAGGOT
This idea is kinda retarded when you think about it. I believe it's porn addiction and possibly demonic influence. When debauchery is openly allowed men and women become beasts.
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Anonymous ID: fWrKm6jH
7/3/2025, 8:18:27 AM No.509375507
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>>509373924 (OP)
Introduction: Erotic target identity inversions (ETIIs) are poorly studied paraphilias that involve sexual arousal by the idea or fantasy of being the object of one's sexual desires.

Aim: To conduct a large non-clinical online survey to investigate self-reported sexual arousal, behavioral expression, and psychological correlates of 4 proposed ETIIs.

Methods: A total of 736 natal males and 549 natal females responded to items about self-reported sexual arousal to the idea of acting as an animal (autoanthropomorphozoophilia) or the idea of acting as a child or infant (autonepiophilia), natal males reporting arousal to the idea of acting as a woman (autogynephilia), and natal females reporting arousal to the idea of acting as a man (autoandrophilia). Data pertaining to sexual orientation, childhood gender nonconformity, gender identity discomfort, autism, masochism, and humiliation were also collected.

Main outcome measures: The main outcome was a measure of self-reported arousal and expression of the ETIIs being explored using 4 items: arousal level (-3 to 3) when imagining being the erotic target exemplar; frequency of engagement in dressing or behaving like their preferred target (0-4); strength of feeling that they would be better off as the target (0-4); and the frequency of consideration of making physical changes to look or function more like the target (0-4).

Results: Mild levels of reported sexual arousal to the idea of being the preferred erotic target were common among the 4 groups, characterizing about half of them. Gender identity discomfort was associated with autogynephilia, autoandrophilia, and autoanthropomorphozoophilia. Greater gender nonconformity was associated with autogynephilia, autoandrophilia, and autonepiophilia. Autism scores were associated with autoandrophilia and autonepiophilia. Masochism was not associated with ETII scores, but humiliation was.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31813772/
Anonymous ID: fWrKm6jH
7/3/2025, 8:38:44 AM No.509376431
>>509375356
Could you perhaps edit the OP post to your liking and repost it here? If there's a better way to be convincing, I'd love to have that. I find this topic interesting and want to educate people on what it really is so that it can be stopped. I get the sense that most people who believe they're trans are genuinely not aware this is a term or a thing, or they're far too deep into it to stop it by the time they're told.

The entirety of the "trans" phenomenon can be explained by ETII paraphilias. Transgender, transage, transpecies, furries, ABDLs, etc.
I hypothesize that if transgender movement is not stopped, other ETIIs will come into the mainstream debate. People who wish to be treated as animals or children because their erotic interests have become intertwined with their own ego and sense of identity.
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Anonymous ID: IjNXP3BxUnited States
7/3/2025, 8:50:08 AM No.509376950
>>509373924 (OP)
>jerk off to women
>suddenly become a woman
I don't think that is how it works.

Fraudulent papers with propaganda aspects like this should carry jail time up to 15 years.
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Anonymous ID: fWrKm6jH
7/3/2025, 9:14:48 AM No.509378034
>>509375376
>>509376950
You're completely stupid and cannot read. Is the IQ here 70 or what
Not all men attracted to women want to be one, that's why ETLEs/ETII are called an ERROR. It's a semi-uncommon paraphilia that causes people to troon out.
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Anonymous ID: Yyv2FLyGUnited States
7/3/2025, 9:16:27 AM No.509378114
>>509373924 (OP)
tl;dr, all paraphilias including faggotry/kidfucking are the same thing
Anonymous ID: MCZ/en84United States
7/3/2025, 9:21:28 AM No.509378354
>>509373924 (OP)
>ETII is a specific type of ETLE, where a person's sexual arousal is directed towards themselves, often in a different physical form or identity.
True perhaps but I think it's more important to point out that trannies are turned on by forcing other people to "recognize" and "validate" their fetish, as evidenced by the last ten years or so of culture and media. It's a form of exhibitionism.
Anonymous ID: UKW02yNKGermany
7/3/2025, 9:22:06 AM No.509378376
>>509376431
No, but I want to give you another thought.

Note that the mystic movement can be classified in the same way, religious nonns writing about being touched by Jesus in pseudo erotic prosa. Levitating and feeling erotic joy and love etc.
Later becoming holy icons of the faith, after basically writing fifty shades of faith.

For example Teresa of Ávila etc.

You can use this to balance your postion.
Anonymous ID: P+YLu/f/Russian Federation
7/3/2025, 9:27:43 AM No.509378621
>>509378034
>troon out
victims of gaslighting by other trannies,
just like gays become one after getting molested by another faggot as a kid
Anonymous ID: /uqlE5DfUnited States
7/3/2025, 9:29:30 AM No.509378694
>Let me explain.
>3 fucking paragraphs
No thanks lol
Anonymous ID: niUn5bZyFinland
7/3/2025, 9:44:15 AM No.509379385
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>>509373924 (OP)
too broad a categorisation to be of practical scientific value. thats likely why it didnt catch on from 1991.

are all fetish depicted as " erotic target location errors? "
why?
what is a fetish?
why liking one thing isnt a fetish, but liking another thing is a fetish?
whats the difference between acceptable fetish and error?
who decides it and why?
why even call it an error?
Anonymous ID: niUn5bZyFinland
7/3/2025, 9:50:50 AM No.509379708
>>509376431
>People who wish to be treated as animals or children

daddy dom and little girl roleplay, DD/lg, is hugely popular among women.

puppy play is already a thing.
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7/3/2025, 10:06:19 AM No.509380358
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>>509378034
It's a theory and a dumb one from someone who studied under Freud. Genetic "errors"? Nigga you are a genetic error for being on the spectrum typing out all this shit thinking I'm going to read all this nonsense
Anonymous ID: tpZ21o+PUnited States
7/3/2025, 10:27:27 AM No.509381272
>>509373924 (OP)
It's complete nonsense. If you give the same tests to cis women many of them test positive for "autogynephilia". Many cis women are also aroused by themselves being dressed up cute and feeling girly or enjoy the idea of being the feminine partner in bed.
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Anonymous ID: 6zgAHPaU
7/3/2025, 10:54:34 AM No.509382459
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>>509381272
You are a straight man using words invented by a pedophile. Your paraphilia does not and never will make you a woman.
Women do not get aroused from watching bras tumbling around in the dryer. They do not get wet from putting on a dress.

There's a very good reason to be skeptical of the trans movement and how it's being astroturfed. Autogynephilia functions more like an addiction than an orientation or identity. Understanding it as an addiction also gives insight into the escalating nature of the phenomenon. Men who crossdress start out doing it occasionally as a masturbatory exercise. Over time, the bliss wanes, and the AGP begins to chase the dragon. There are extensive psychiatric comorbidities among this population because addictions, even non-substance-use ones, are regularly part of a mentally ill person’s coping strategies.

Dissociation is the source of the “high” for the AGP. He’d achieve that perfect bliss in embodying any role that was deeply not him. This is why sexism is an absolute prerequisite for AGP. He sees women as another species, not just people who happen to be female. He must “other” women in order to reach that non-self place.
To access that gender euphoria, everyone they interact with has to speak and behave as though they’re women. Otherwise, these men are stuck with crossdressing at home or in CD/kink groups. And that really limits how much they can up their dosage, and how often they can dose.

This is because we aren’t functioning as human beings living and letting live. We are animated props for the role-play scenario that lets these people access a specific mental state. We’re set pieces, and the whole world becomes their drug. And if you speak or act wrong (according to gender culture rules), you have now become the thing standing in between an addict and their fix.

You cannot satisfy an addict. It’s not chemically possible. Trying to do so doesn’t help them and isn’t good for you.