>Republicans pretend universal healthcare is this insane radical idea that has never been implemented successfully
>Meanwhile the majority of the planet has it and it provably results in both lower overall costs and better outcomes
>They'll say the US can't afford it meanwhile Israel has it and we give them billions every year
>Even brown shitholes like Brazil have successfully implemented it
Why are they like this?
Shit if we didn't already have firefighters or public defenders they'd say that those are communism too.

>>509412896 (OP)
>and better outcomes
nope
kys

>>509412896 (OP)
Separating healthcare coverage from employment would be a catastrophe for (((business owners))) in America.

>>509413049
Where'd you hear otherwise? Sean Hannity? Ben Shapiro?

>>509412896 (OP)

wait a minute, my congressman tells me US NUMBER 1 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD

>>509412896 (OP)
who cares? what we have works great. we spend more than any other developed nation per capita and have the best services.

>>509413148

elaborate, how so?
I thought this would be a welcome for a business....especially a small business.

I'm not giving niggers and spics another dime. They already consume the vast majority of all public services.

What you do t seem to understand is that the US is not saying 'if we had universal healthcare it wouldnt work', the US *HAS* universal healthcare and it doesnt work. Our nation pays more per capita in mandatory income taxes to government accounts for single payer health care than any other nation in the world, and most of the US is denied health care to the point where an entire secondary healthcare industry exists just for these people who cant afford to rely on overfunded government healthcare and choose to pay themselves instead ON TOP OF already paying the government healthcare.

>>509412896 (OP)
>provably results
>probably
thread over

>>509413425
>the US *HAS* universal healthcare

>>509413425
yes it is a huge scam. brought to you by the health industry lobby and the medical school boards. it has nothing to do with single payer, socialism, or whatever. just like law school makes lawyers expensive, med school makes doctors expensive.

>>509412896 (OP)
billions must die

>>509412896 (OP)
I'm not saying the following is true but I heard it on here and I want it confirmed. I heard that it all comes down to medical research. The US funds medical research more than any other country, whereas the other countries simply consume the results of that research, effectively "leeching" off of the US and then pretending their system is more efficient. True/False?

>>509413808
Its complete cope from cohenservatives. Drug companies send more on advertising than R&D, seriously look it up. They charge us more because they know they can get away with it. If it were unprofitable to sell their drugs in Europe and Asia they wouldn't sell them there.

The problem is not that healthcare is privatized, it's not. The problem is the existing government regulations that try but fail to universalize healthcare. Certificates of need, AMA given state power to act as a licensing cartel, mandating coverage for preexisting conditions, tax breaks and preference for employers, medicare and medicaid encouraging providers to shift costs to private patients. It's anything but privatized.

>>509413244
The US is number one (in deaths attributable to medical errors) kek.

>>509413291
Lots of people, especially older people and people in dual income households, only work so they can get insurance through their (((employer))).
Take away the need for employer based insurance, a giant chunk of the labor force drops out.
Less participants in the labor market = more bargaining power for the workers
Now (((employers))) have to incentivize the remaining labor force with higher wages or other benefits.

>>509413624
The reason doctors are expensive is because of licensing. Cheap doctors arent allowed to exist because they will be arrested for daring to try to practice medicine without earning 500k in government-controlled loan debt first. It is absolutely a government problem.
And before you >muh lobby, Who is it exactly that allows the lobbyists to exist?

>>509414934
people are getting replaced by AI anyway, we don't need them

>>509413808
Unfortunately no.
While the USA leads in new drug patents the US pharma industry are also notorious patent trolls who will patent anything and everything. Including attempts to patent human biological processes.
Meanwhile European pharma companies have a much better conversion rate of patents to products.

That being said the main issue is that the nations with nationalised healthcare have much better bargaining power relative to the USA whose fractured healthcare system has limited bargaining power and little incentive to bargain.
If your healthcare system was nationalised you'd have absurd bargaining power.

>>509412896 (OP)
Billionaires are eating America alive. It's happening in every country.

An epi-pen costs $700, the vial containing the same exact medicine only costs $4.

>>509412896 (OP)
European countries where people are thin and eat healthy foods and exercise can afford universal healthcare.
The American people are too obese, diabetic, mentally ill, and messed up for us to afford to pay for everyone.
It's simply a numbers game of sick and fats.

>>509417022
European countries don't allow poison in their food like burgerstan does.

>>509417854
It's also a matter of laziness. Do you buy bread from the store that is made to last for weeks but also eat unhealthy preservatives, or put in the minimal effort to make your own bread?

The amount of animals that the green grasses of American lawns could feed is staggering. Such wasted potential. Tens of millions of people could have a few chickens and get their own fresh eggs quite easily.
Simply boiling fruit in sugar and water and canning it in a mason jar can create your own fresh pies, jelly, syrup and fruit preserves without any weird chemicals or high-fructose corn syrup.
People can make their own food, fries, burgers, desserts with little effort and there aren't any weird chemicals in it.
An entire population getting sick because noone wanted to prepare their own food is staggeringly crazy when you really think about it.
People don't even need soda, you can make your own lemonade/limeade/orangeade quite easily and it's fresh and delicious.
The dental impact of all this junk food and soda is also staggering in the numbers of affected.

>>509412896 (OP)
Correlation is not causation.
Euro doesn't have US levels of addiction problems and morbid obesity. Not to mention it has no open borders with even worse country in terms of LE.

>>509413291
people that change jobs get more wage growth than people that stay 'loyal' so when employers hold you hostage with healthcare you lose out

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>>509416597

>>509412896 (OP)
>>>Meanwhile the majority of the planet has it and it provably results in both lower overall costs and better outcomes
fuck no
Imagine waiting more than 9 months for an "urgent" referral.
And then all that happens at the appointment is the "specialist" says "this is out of my league, here's another referral, fuck off for another year"
You literally still have to pay for private care to be able to get anything
government funded pharmaceuticals are mostly good though, except that you cannot pick your brand, so you do get some retarded shit, like:
>the government changes the approved medicine for epilepsy to some cheap indian trash that's supposedly the same thing
>women can't get their estrogen anymore because it's suddenly government funded and now all the trannies are usurping the supply
>all the epileptics start having seizures
no refunds :)

>>509419660
Really this is what women used to do before they were forced into work

>>509412896 (OP)
JD Pants said the US couldn't afford it because of something to do with Europe.
So the idea is, you get universal healthcare and each American gives Europe $2k a year splitting the $4k they've saved. I think that is what the transparently gay Vice President meant anyway, it was hard to follow.
>>509419948
European countries have open borders with Poland, Hungary, Romania, the list of third worlders goes on and on.

someone explain to me how if health care is already expensive giving coverage to even more people who aren't going to pay for it will somehow make it less expensive.

>>509421209
>government funded pharmaceuticals are mostly good though, except that you cannot pick your brand, so you do get some retarded shit, like:
>>the government changes the approved medicine for epilepsy to some cheap indian trash that's supposedly the same thing
This is a completely normal occurrence in the US. Doctors change your meds around all the time usually because they get kickbacks. Ask anyone with ADHD or schizophrenia how often their meds get switched for no reason.

>>509412896 (OP)
So leave.