The left's constant, nonstop seething is probably having a boomerang effect, to be d3su.
Their tireless rhetoric of
>REEEE! Republicans are literal nazi fascists who are going to kill women & children & seniors & veterans and all the other sky-falling sensationalist things that trigger our emotions!
has gone on for so long, and been repeated so ad nauseam; that even if it's true now (i.e. with the BBB), I just can't believe it anymore.
So even if Republicans destroy the country and beget WW3 and burn everything to the ground, I'll still wholeheartedly blame Democrats and believe it's 100% their fault.
I just can't get behind the party of overly-emotional screeching, virtue signaling and divisive (anti-white) rhetoric.
Hell, maybe schizo retard Musk is onto something with his 3rd party. (But most likely it'll just steal votes from far more open-minded Republicans)

tl;dr - Dems REEEE too much, and it's only hurting their message.

niggers

>>509421013 (OP)
>party of women and faggots is more susceptible to peer pressure than party of men

who is actually surprised by this?

>>509421013 (OP)
doesn't that image just show that the left has more of a "core" belief system than the disorganized right?
Left:
>virtually all anti-white and pro-brown
>virtually all pro-lgbt
>virtually all atheist

Right:
>Can't agree on women (tradcucks vs misogynists, incels, etc)
>can't agree on immigration (civic nationalists vs ethnocentrists)
>can't agree on religion (Christians vs pagans vs people who think christianity is jewish)
etc, etc

>>509421013 (OP)
You act like this is a bad thing? Democrats all agree on certain core things. Human rights. There's an entire group of right wingers that believe no one deserves rights, only they deserve rights, and all deserve rights. That's where the ideological separation comes from.

However this poll is probably skewed. Libertarianism is considered politically right; but that's just a complete mischaracterization.

I'm pretty sure there was a pew research study like a decade ago that showed political extremism was noticeably more pronounced on the left. Reactionary has been being used as a dirty word forever which is really silly since it begs the question of reacting to what. Just another weasel word to style anything right of marx as dirty backwards and wrong. I'm no longer conservative though. I'm actively "regressive" at this point and will not be satisfied until we've rolled back decades of their bullshit. When you've been on the wrong path turning back is progress.

>>509421013 (OP)
The Left's thought is dominated by professional students living on the campuses of Northeastern universities. The Right doesn't have a center of thought like that so opinions are more varied

>>509421013 (OP)
All of the normal, sane people abandoned them or or got forced out when they started pushing nonsense like men magically transforming into women and the mass importation of millions of third world shitskins,and now it is just the worst kind of oversocialized, virtue signalling, purity spiraling retards.

>>509423917
It means the left is a tyrannical cult that will excommunicate you if you veer off their narrow plantation

>>509421013 (OP)
Noone read the study, the reesult is from how and what they ask, if one wants it's possible to create a graph with the opposite result

>>509424334
Even Marx would fucking hate modern leftists.
Honestly, everyone should hate those faggots.

>>509425447
still concerning that the left can unite under anti-whiteness while the right can't even agree on if racism is bad or not

>>509421013 (OP)
Its not the retard screech. Its the fact they push the middle away. The fact they exist only in echo chambers. The fact that any dissent no matter how small is treated as ultimate betrayal.
The left has done this to themselves on purpose. Its step in line or fuck off.

>>509421013 (OP)
Why you you dumb niggers NEVER provide a source?

>>509424290
Bill Clinton: https://youtu.be/1IrDrBs13oA
Hillary Clinton: https://youtu.be/dwTmN2wbJ0A
Joe Biden: https://youtu.be/myywOvx4E8c
Barrack Obama: https://youtu.be/12e6uKM8iZQ

>>509426396
Not concerning if you're a human being and not a cultist

>>509421013 (OP)
>Diversity of thought

You guys can't agree on the shape of the Earth or Michelle Obama's sex lol. You have bigger problems

>>509425620
That goes for any kind of question-based "opinion statistics", which is the kind every paper and think tank from LA to New York wields like a club
>do you believe that policymakers should do more to hold the CCP accountable for their genocide of Uyghrs
>do you believe that the CCP's universal monitoring system used to handle their "social credit system" is an invasion of privacy
>have you or any of your friends or family been affected by Chinese cyber espionage?
>do you think local governments should refuse Chinese millionaire property investors in order to prevent them from driving up housing prices?
And then
>do you believe the United States should be harder on China?
The response to the last question is all that will ever print. It's classic leading questioning and very common in this kind of shit. I legitimately don't give a fuck about so-called "opinion polls".

>>509426832
https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjso.12665

>>509421013 (OP)
>that graph is literally this meme
kek

>>509427058
you realize the democrat party is pretty much done for, right?

>>509421013 (OP)
wow so much difference and yet both sides suck off Israels cock. Fake politics

>>509427367
Good fuck them.

>>509424290
And now trump is -5 in approval. Man this bill is going to destroy him.

>>509421013 (OP)
The right's core beliefs depend on wherever Trump's mental dartboard gets hit on that particular day

>>509423917
Open-mindedness is better than closed-minded arrogance. You're not omniscient & don't hold all the irrefutable answers to every facet of life. The right is more willing to accept & act upon this obvious yet crucial fact.

>>509421013 (OP)
Ideological decentralization is not a virtue. The Left is evil and overplayed their hand, but at least they're coordinated and purposeful.
The Right is full of evil factions too, but can't agree on anything. Neither is viable.

>>509424290
>Human rights
>Blah blah, we're good, they're bad, we're wonderful benevolent humanitarians who just want all good things and they're nazi fascists who want to kill children & seniors & women and start WW3 and rape kids blah blah...
Shut the fuck up. This is the exact irony that's proven by the data. Leftists' self-image is so delusional & grandiose. You literally view yourselves as heroic & just, while your policies are fucking evil & prejudiced behind the guise of retarded "reverse/anti-racism."

>>509424589
>Professional
Such a prestigious sounding word to mean "centrally indoctrinated."

>>509421013 (OP)
the left don't allow people to have different opinions. they just label anyone who doesn't agree with everythint they believe as nazis. so that's not surprising.

>>509425620
Welcome to statistics. People eat up black & white numbers like holy scripture, because it's easily digestible for simple-minded retards. Just like all the bullshit "data" libs love to quote that pretends niggers & spics aren't far more violent & criminalistic, etc. You can always frame shit in a way that adheres to what you want to be true. And that's all these liberal college student "social scientists" do. You'll never once see a public funded study that shows Africans having 20% Neanderthal DNA, or that spics are 100% more likely to be cartels who chop people up, etc.

>>509427367
Hardly.

>>509421013 (OP)
They only made me despise them more the fact that they have completely inundated /pol/ with the same screeching bad faith disingenuous bullshit. /pol/ catalog is a mirror image of reddit these days.

>>509429751
That’s hy you couldn’t get them on your side.

>>509429921
Good luck with your -5 approval.

>>509426832
Because it's incredibly easy for even full-blown retards like you to use google and find it yourself.

>>509421013 (OP)
From where I’m standing, its the GOP that is overly emotional and screeching

>>509430278
Nice substantial & thought-provoking logic you got there.

>>509423917
Sure, if you want to call a retarded purity spiral a, "core" belief system. Fuckin' zoomer doesn't remember how retarded conservatives were after 9/11 and the reason libtards ever got to where they were. Diversity of opinion is a good thing because it makes people justify their positions instead of parroting emotional talking points.

>>509430278
Yup. They are -5 in approval. They are doing themselves in. Didn’t even need democrat preaching which turned out to be useless after all those decades.

>>509421013 (OP)
fools rarely differ

>>509421013 (OP)
That study makes sense: If left organizes around general causes that benefit a wider variety of people, "diversity is our strength", they'll have a broader range of acceptance. The right is made of groups that are more tribal and push for specific types of exclusion. The white nationalist, the Muslim theocrat, and the zionist all fall on the right though they have drastic disagreements. The disagreements on the left are small and petty by comparison.

>>509425447
There has been more factionalism among right wingers in recent years because influencers have flooded the space trying to cash in on the grift. They all feel the need to have hardline opinions on everything because they’ve convinced themselves it’s a winner-take-all game. Almost none of these people are interested in actual mobilization or leadership; they just want to be known as “the guy who is always right.”

/pol/'s discourse was always kind of like this because it’s male-dominated and autistic, but it’s way worse when people are being drawn in at the prospect of being able to shitpost professionally on Twitter.

>>509431066
What do you mean?

>>509421013 (OP)
>Earth is flat and Ivermectin cures prostate cancer is political diversity of thought
mfw

>>509421013 (OP)
The left didn't stand up to the far left about 10 to 12 years ago and this is the consequence.
Constant finger pointing at moderate liberals for not being woke enough is not a strategy.
The left was completely hijacked by corruption and strange ideologies. Total chaos is the result of freedom without objective truth and morality.
Without Christ, people are more susceptible to the lies of demons whispering in their ears.

>>509425447
You can have differing opinions about gender shit and still be left. Or did the study say otherwise? Why doesn't the study get quoted or posted?

>>509429046
But the right isn't open minded, they're consistently more isolationist and tribal. Even that heat map meme is about how the right doesn't even extend considerations beyond their tribe. See pic.

>>509430956
>parroting emotional talking points
The right believed cats and dogs were being eaten in Springfield despite the lack of evidence. The disagreements on the right are that of a white nationalist, a Muslim jihadist, and a zionist IDF.

>>509422572

>>509421013 (OP)
The left:
>the earth is round
The right:
>the earth is round
>the earth is flat
>the earth is contained within the firmament
>the earth is hollow
>the earth is 1000 times larger than wheat we believe it to be

>>509421013 (OP)
I kind of doubt this study personally. I don't thing the right covers this much space, though they may be excluded from the liberal side "muh left left me" but share so little in common with the right wing in america. Classical liberals are kind of like utopians that exist outside of left-right politics but get grouped into the right wing through conservatism.

>>509423336
we need millions to do a study on this

>>509424290
>Democrats all agree on certain core things. Human rights.
Unless you are in utero. Go back to r.eddit you faggot.

>>509432733
Classical liberals lean right because that economic philosophy largely favors the elite and that traditional hierarchy. It's why "leftist" isn't about freedom, it's about protection from consolidated power. The right is about freedom, but the freedom of that consolidated power. It's like of you're a Muslim true believer, despite how oppressive the religion is, you're free to do what you want, as in the oppressive woke liberal laws aren't going to protect people from you if you wish to harm people as the religion may permit.

>>509421013 (OP)
>REEEE
Go back. I'm serious.

>>509430278
>From where I’m standing
It's called Hell shitface, little warm isn't it?

>>509432286
>You can have differing opinions about gender shit and still be left
Didn't troons excommunicate JK Rowling over exactly that?

>>509432305
The /pol/ right:
>the earth is a billiard ball that fits in my ass

>>509433333

>>509421013 (OP)
Youre so far in the cult youre pretending all the shit you just said isnt happening, when your cult members already admitted to it all. Actual brain dead cult

>>509421013 (OP)
Same desu.
How many decades did we sit through smug liberals on tv telling us how smart they are and mocking the concerns of Republicans as paranoid and stupid? Except whoops turns out they were right all along?

It's not like Democrats are any less warmongering.

>>509424290
> Democrats all agree on certain core things. Human rights.
What the fuck is a human right?
Oh right whatever it is that you want, how convenient for you.

>>509433532
She had to be coaxed into helping the labor party by them saying they're anti-trans. When that's her priority, when her "feminism" extends to global trans shit but never to any reaction to Roe v Wade in America, she's not really leftist on social or economic topics. She didn't identify as leftist so it's not an excommunication as it is petty. The most activism she does is anti-trans, and it still isn't the level of violent disagreement between white nationalists, zionists, and Muslim extremists.

>>509423917
>doesn't that image just show that the left has more of a "core" belief system than the disorganized right?
And cults have a "core" belief system as well. That's not always a strength.
It's funny how showing this graph proves both the left and right correct in their own assumptions.
>The right are a bunch of fractured idiots with no central beliefs!
>The left are a bunch of indoctrinated idiots with no individual opinions!

>>509434055
It's wide and inclusive. The right differs greatly on topics like women and what can/should be done about them. On the left, sure there's disagreements on what is a woman, but it's not as drastic or consequential as the debate on the right.

>>509434209
>indoctrinated
The more educated on something a group is, the less differing in opinion they'll have. Sure, it could be brainwash, but getting closer to the actual truth as a group will have the same result.

>>509421013 (OP)
>>509423917
This is why the Left is more effective.

>>509421013 (OP)
The left painting anyone who opposes them as a nazi speaks more to them being retarded than it does the 'right' having more diversity of thought.

>>509421013 (OP)
/ck/ is meeting up at the park in multiple cities and /pol/ is invited!

>>>/ck/21436604

>>509421013 (OP)
there are many ways to be wrong, just one way to be right

just kidding

>>509421013 (OP)
the way that's formulated, it probably comes from some website called conservativethinking or other such dogshit. you're not fooling anyone huffing your own farts

>>509421013 (OP)
Because one right-winger believes in Pizzagate, the other not but believes that moonlanding was a scam. One thinks Bill Gates invented Cobid, the other believes it was Sorros and another things it was China.
Doesnt make the diversity of thought better. Just they dont agree on a reasons thing.

>>509429046
right wingers are full of shit and think they're right because they conjured those opinions on their own. they're literally retards who think their own opinions are more important than already established facts. they've become so contrarian that they now intentionally try to not make any sense

>>509423917
The right is disorganized only in that they have to come up with weasel words to hide their believes because it's still verboeten to just openly say that you hate niggers and spics.

>>509438715

>>509421013 (OP)
more lik left out
>>509437795

>>509444444
lets see who got quints

people ITT are too emotionally charged to interpret OP's image without attributing some kind of malice or stupidity to the other side.

the left isn't even 200 years old, and have been controlled by a small number of intellectual elites in academia since the beginning, all of whom spend all day consensus building and indoctrinating their pupils rather than letting them think for themselves

the right's intellectually tradition spans fucking millennia so it's inevitable that there would be more diversity of thought

>>509421013 (OP)
i think youre just confirming that you are indeed retarded my friend

no link tho

>>509434771
>Left is more effective.
They are really not
They are just neo liberal puppets

>>509421013 (OP)
It's not that difficult to see. The left tends to move toward a stateless world, while on the right, there are various kinds of ideologies that seek to either reduce the state a bit or nationalize everything.

>>509439499
>the right's intellectually tradition spans fucking millennia
What do you think the current divides are about, the divine right of kings?

>>509439499
>implying a single person on this weebsite has read any right wing polemics besides anarchist jews or pat buchanan if we are being generous
/pol/ book club threads are always the same infograph dumps and people posting Jpgs off of google search of the most obscure and esoteric books they can think of (that they never summarize). Most online right wing discourse is centered around the past 20ish years with the occasional nod to WW2 or the constitution.
checked btw

>>509440214
>What do you think the current divides are about, the divine right of kings?
yes? are you not on xitter?

>>509421013 (OP)
The right can’t agree on shit or centralize their ideas
They have zionists and antisemites
Noticers and npc’s

>>509441480
The left is everyone controlled by mass media
The right is everyone else

>>509421013 (OP)
>>509423917
>doesn't that image just show that the left has more of a "core" belief system than the disorganized right?
What it shows is that the left is a cult and "the right" is just an exonym used to label everyone outside of that cult. It's not that the right has no core principles etc, it's that the right isn't even a real group. It's basically just the leftist word for "infidel". It's like how muslims might call christians and hindus infidels but that doesn't mean christians and hindus see themselves as a group. If christians believe one thing and hindus believe a different thing then this isn't a contradiction. It's not an example of "infidel hypocristy" etc because they aren't actually the same group. They don't see themselves as infidels, they are branded infidels by a 3rd party.

I never self-identified as "right wing", This was always a label applied to me by leftists when they wanted to attack me. Eventually i started viewing the left as an enemy and feeling a sense of solidarity with other people who were branded right wing in the usual "enemy of my enemy" sense, but I never internalized the right wing label since that felt silly, like self-identifying as an infidel who has infidel values etc. This felt like the political equivalent of geocentrism, putting my enemy at the center of the universe and allowing them to define all the terms etc.

>>509441829
>This was always a label applied to me by leftists
It used to have a meaning
It meant you supported the King

>>509427134
Allowing the humanities to occupy the same institutions as math/informatics/physics/etc and allowing them to call themselves "scientists" has been a disaster. I don't think it's possible to state just how much damage this has caused to our societies.

>>509439499
agreed.
>>509421013 (OP)
>>509425447
as others have said ITT leftists tend to have a core suite of beliefs and most leftist ideologies aren't mutually exclusive at the end of the day. now compare that with the right where christian nationalists and pagan revivalists are both right wing but completely contradict each other.
>erm pagan revivalists don't exist outside of 4chan and twitter chud
my example was based off of what I see on /pol/
>>509432286
>actually understands the heat map meme
rare for this board

>>509442051
The real problem was all the universities built for the GI bill after the war recruited professors that were refugees whos credentials were destroyed by the Nazis

>>509421013 (OP)
>define right-wing ideology very broadly
>define left-wing ideology as a very narrow selection of beliefs
>discard any data points that don't fit into these definitions
>"aha! I've proven it! left-wing ideology has less diversity of thought than the right!"
left infighting is a meme for a reason lmao

>>509442026
Yep, but languages mutate and evolve and the modern usage is basically a completely different term that is used in a completely different way. The old meaning is now just etymology.

One of the most important steps in understanding the modern world is the realization that there is no such thing as "English". English has split in to a bunch of mutually intelligible dialects, and this is often worse than being mutually unintelligible because it creates the illusion of division where none actually exists. When people speak mutually unintelligible languages they *know* that they don't understand each other, but when people speak mutually intelligible languages they often *think* they understand each other when they actually don't.

For example if someone says "capitalism" what do they mean?
Do they mean it in the doctrinal sense as one of the stages in marx's historical materialism?
Do they mean it in the vulgar sense of "when there's money"?
Do they mean it in the practical sense as the policies implemented by self-identified capitalist parties?
Do they mean it in one of the many other ways in which it's used?

If someone says "socialism" what do they mean?
Do they mean it in the doctrinal sense of no owner-worker distinction?
Do they mean it in the vulgar sense of "when the government does things"?
Do they mean it in the practical sense as the policies implemented by self-identified socialist parties?
Do they mean it in one of the many other ways in which it's used?

All the different dialects of English can communicate with each other well enough for non-technical stuff, but when it comes to politics the dialects have diverged so much that they may as well be completely different languages that only superficially sound alike, and it's important to be aware of this. Sometimes it feels like 99% of people actually agree with each other on the conceptual level, but end up fighting each other due to illusions created by linguistic divergence.

>>509439429
>>509444444

>>509442228
>as others have said ITT leftists tend to have a core suite of beliefs and most leftist ideologies aren't mutually exclusive at the end of the day. now compare that with the right where christian nationalists and pagan revivalists are both right wing but completely contradict each other.
The more interesting thing I notice is that the right is ideologically divided but rightists typically have a unifying attitude, while the left is ideologically unified but leftists typically have a divisive attitude.

Rightists are always trying to find common ground between their different ideologies, for example white nationalists are often familiar with libertarian theory and know how to express their beliefs and goals in libertarian terms, which allows them to cooperate with libertarians despite having different beliefs. In contrast leftists are always trying to police each other and find fault with each other despite sharing the same ideology. They all agree that racism, sexism etc is bad, but they are always trying to henpeck each other for not being anti-racist enough, not being anti-sexist enough etc, which makes it difficult for them to cooperate with each other despite having the same beliefs.

>>509421013 (OP)
>key word = thought
No action

>>509423917
>doesn't that image just show that the left has more of a "core" belief system than the disorganized right?
no it means you cannot stray far from the reservation.
there's some quote floating around from the election that points out that if you agree w 10% of rep's platform they'll welcome you but if you don't support the dem's platform 100% you are ostracized.

The only thing it takes to be on the right is to not like the left.

The easiest shit ever, its not complicated. Everyone hates these freaks.

>>509421013 (OP)
That depends on how you see it you can have some rfks that just talk shit endlessly or you can have a certain common sense (which i kinda dont think a lot of leftists have) i like that other thing more where it shows that leftists think they can stop cars with its hands. They take the edges of them and then think they have more sense than they do, the right wingers that is.
The main problem i have with lefties is that they dont have the nuts to call out bullshit it always has to be in an indirect passive aggressive way like women do. I m just rambling on a tangent here.

>>509443053
>left infighting is a meme for a reason lmao
Yes, but leftist infighting is not typically caused by them having different beliefs, it's typically caused by them accusing each other of violating the beliefs that they all agree on. That's what I was trying to get at here:
>>509444629

It reminds my of something Ted said in ISaIF.
>Generally speaking, the goals of today's leftists are not in conflict with the accepted morality.
>On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of violating that principle.
This is basically the nature of most leftist infighting.

>>509421013 (OP)
I agree. I still vote Dem because the alternative is much worse, but Dems are Dems' worst enemy.

>>509444629
I think the right also shares intuitions between its different sections that all naturally go against progressive or even liberal ideologies. Things like human (and gender) inequality being a fact of life, hierarchy being a natural fixture (though libertarians or anarchist are suspicious of the legitimacy of every hierarchy, even if they believe they occur in nature), objectivity in morality rather than culturally sensitive or even subjective morality, high in group preferences, etc a bunch of stuff that naturally opposes them to progressivism.
You had nazis and libertarians bonding over the 'dunking on SJW' era of the internet just because they both intuitively understand without even needing a rational framework that perceived social injustices are just a reflection of human inequality.
You have Nietzschian darwinian and other materialist philosophies that share intuitive understandings of human nature with christian fundementalists on the right. Even though they dont fit in the same box, they are excluded from left wing thought.
You even see these paradoxical breeds like international nationalism where people despise mixing of culture or global institutions so they bend themselves into pretzels to support the sovereignty of every other nation on the planet against globalism. Then, when asked, they call themselves nationalists for only their own nation and say the rest of the world isnt our problem.

>>509445723
I wouldnt even call that oversocialization or to some degree that is true but is more like they have to be streamlined, thjey have to adapt (and i fucking love these idiots) to something that is out of their control which should be in their control. I guess you could define npcs bý this.