Among developed nations (almost an unfair comparison) America is
>Number one in per capita medical expenses
>Number one in medical bankruptcies
>Number one in malpractice deaths
and it has
>A lower life expectancy than any European country
We spend more for worse care and you've been brainwashed into believing there's simply no other way.
Sad!

>>509442236 (OP)
paying 0% of my paycheck, because hospitals killed people for covidbux and I'm never going to one

>>509442236 (OP)
Fat people should only be included in the public fund if they take ozempic or lose the fat any other way.

>>509442236 (OP)
One is optional and you can shop around, the other is mandatory and if it sucks you are stuck.

>>509442517
>>509442670
Insurance is "optional" if you don't mind gambling with your only life yeah. Hope and pray you don't get in a car accident or develop cancer.

>>509442236 (OP)
4% wouldn't cover most people's care. when you pay 4% it's for someone else's and a smaller portion of the population. they left that part out. the real percentage is much much higher

>>509442774
>Insurance is "optional" if you don't mind gambling with your only life yeah.
says the vaxxie
fuck you and fuck hospitals
doctors need to be hanged before I will trust the US medical establishment again

>>509442517
this.
Until the medical murderers are punished the entire profession is confined to stitching up wounds and xraying broken limbs. Using google and web based pharmacies for the rest. fucking hack murderers

>>509442774
it certainly is optional
>t. not an obese fuck
>t. hasn't paid a single dollar in premiums for the past 12 years

>>509442236 (OP)
I think the issue is these benefits are going to illegals. We are being forced to fund illegla's benefits. While not directly, the illegals DO GET OUR TAX MONEY somehow someway via programs and God knows what else.

>>509443037
>t. not an obese fuck
What do you think only obese people get sick or injured?

>>509443209
You're paying for illegals with private insurance anyway. When they go to the emergency room and bail without paying that cost is passed on to everyone else.

>>509442236 (OP)
>it's bad to pay only 20% instead of 24%
what did he mean by this?

>>509442517
>>509442517
based and /thread

>>509442774
I did all of my cancer treatment on medicaid. Suck it faggots from both sides. I'm a drain on the system and I hate everything that isn't from the exact same specific part of Europe my ancestors came from.

>>509442236 (OP)
>Paying for a product you receive bad
>Having money taken from you whether you benefit from it or not good

>>509442774
The response to cancer by the medical industrial complex is absolutely retarded and a hilarious example for you to use
>Bro you need to pay them because what if you need someone to macro dose you with radiation and cut parts off of you?

>>509442236 (OP)
Death to all pieces of shit who blame "men", "whites", "heterosexuals" or "americans" when we have been under Jewish occupation for a century or more

>>509443270
>sick
Yes
>injured
That's stupid people

the real problem is fatties.

as a fat fuck. i can say this. if you take away our insurance. we won't strain the healthcare system. and you can all have free health care.

>>509445643
No. The problem is niggers and spics. Without them, we could give everyone free water, electricity, education, healthcare, subsidize the birth of more White children, and fix all our infrastructure.

>>509442236 (OP)
the most important part of being an american is
>never admit when you're wrong.

Is there anyone who actually pays the advertised price of regular marketplace health insurance in the USA?
People with jobs at large companies/corporations:
>health insurance provided by company, either free or extremely cheap
People who only work part time:
>free health insurance via ACA
Illegals:
>don't bother with health insurance at all, just go to the ER for every issue and "me no habla ingles" when it's time to pay the bill
I guess maybe if you're working some kind of tech startup or something, but even then I'm sure there's probably a way around it.

>>509442517
>>509442236 (OP)
Insurance is communism, particularly mandatory car insurance.

Drive without insurance
Kill any cop that asks for proof on insurance
Kill any senator that doesn't immediately vote to become this communist shit

Communist control act

>>509442236 (OP)
>>509442670
>>509442774
what stops people from taking that 20% of your paycheck and putting it in a box instead ?...for insurance

>>509446587

>>509446928
Very few states allow that.
The few that do require you to own 25 cars.
The one that will allow normal people to self I sure requires you to give about $100,000 to the state in a bond, which will not increase in value with inflation, and matches what you'd give to Jew insurance companies over a lifetime.
So when you die and the bond money goes to your kids, it's worth about 5% of what you put in.

Seriously, just drive without insurance and kill cops on sight

Yeah, I'm sure white americans love the idea of
their money going to spics & niggers
what a great fucking country

>>509442236 (OP)
>4%

They can't help but lie, can they?!

No NHS is spending a laughable 4%

>>509442236 (OP)
Medicare sucks balls. So the government takes your money every month for a service that sucks balls.

Having choice is what makes America great. Let the market adjust in accordance to demand.

>>509442926
>>509442517
Honestly this, I'm not going to trust anything until lots of people are executed starting with the high level pharma jews

>>509445895
Do you ever let yourself indulge in the fantasy of what this country could be if every nigger and beaner disappeared overnight? How wildly prosperous, safe, and happy we could be without that ball and chain around our collective necks?

>>509442236 (OP)
>Number one in malpractice deaths
You can't have malpractice deaths if you can't afford to see a doctor, and/or you die waiting for a doctor.

>>509442236 (OP)
>Number one in per capita medical expenses
And also a bunch of fat fucks.
A curious coincidence.

Trump and Kennedy recently announced that they are working on free healthcare for Americans. I'd say that the only ones conveniently forgetting (and whining) about this are the leeches, jews and insurance companies (although I must have repeated myself there somewhere). We first have to stop wasting money and this is how it is done.

>>509442236 (OP)
REMINDER

Every Israeli citizen gets free Healthcare for their entire lives.
American taxpayers send them $4.8 billion every year.

The more you know

>>509442236 (OP)
you have no idea how bad healthcare is in canada. i dont even have a doctor

>>509442236 (OP)
Insurance costs this much because of the heavy regulation put on the healthcare industry.
Aside from that, in a free country people are FREE to not spend money on healthcare and take the risk.

Like with anything, a free society allows for a lot more variance in outcomes then a non free one.

>>509442236 (OP)
4% of your pay over 50+ years so you can possible have government subsidized healthcare for the last 4-8 years of your life is a lot more than 20% a year.

>>509442236 (OP)
Cut out the middle men all these fucking lawyers and suckers that dont provide anything useful.
They charge 500 bucks an hour (if that is even an hour because most likely it isnt) they will suck you dry on your expenses and you are too stupid to have the guts to say anything.

>Im fit and never need a doctor
I went 21 years without visiting a doctor. Now Im getting older and having my first real health problem and the whole shit sucks so fucking bad. Insurance needs to be completely done away with. Everyone wants to be well. No one wants to die.

>>509442236 (OP)
Medicare pays at a like 50% rate compared to insurance (the money the Doctors and hospitals get payed), yet it's 5 times cheaper... Sounds like it's more communist than insurance to me.

>>509442236 (OP)
Both are wrong. I'm an anarchist and think anyone who advocates for any form of government is commie scum.

>>509442236 (OP)
What is given must first be taken. All taxation is theft.

>>509442236 (OP)
I have the same experience. Most republicans I know (friends, coworkers, neighbours) have all told me they regret voting for Trump. He promised lower egg prices, and instead got us into a trade war with our allies, women's and LGBTQ+ rights abolished, a billionaire has seized control of private citizen's data and federal funds, our military is about to invade Gaza (so much for no new wars lel), he's appointed literal traitors to his cabinet, armed ICE agents are raiding schools and children's hospitals, and EGG PRICES HAVENT GONE DOWN.
I know it's hard to admit you're wrong, but Trump is literally one of the biggest mistakes in American history.

>>509442236 (OP)
>A lower life expectancy than any European country
have you seen the american diet? it's slop

>>509446928
Oy vey anon you can't just have a savings in case something happens because that's straight up illegal. You have to pay us so we can deny you coverage when you need it the most.
Maybe we could work it out so that you automatically have a percentage taken out of your paycheck for the pedophile elite in the government to manage your healthcare instead if you think that's a more fair option.

>>509442236 (OP)
You already spend like four times as much as we do, in terms of gdp%, on government healthcare.
All that medicare shit you're getting fed is not the same as nationalized healthcare, it's just cartelled insurance, just like your government backed college loans.
Wake the fuck up and go slaughter both sides, you're getting played for absolute fools.

>>509442517
based

>>509451787
2 more weeks

>>509452522
>My non existent friends said this so you should believe me
Do you expect us to believe the story of the Kamala voters at the coffee shop with the one MAGA screaming nigger for no reason was true too?

>>509442236 (OP)
Is there any damn thing in the universe more jewish than (((insurance)))? Shakespear really was right about (((lawyers))). Whisky breath fuckers.

>>509442774
the affordable care act caused insurance to skyrocket so everyone ended up paying more for worse service. adding government to anything tends to make it shittier. also see: student loans

>>509451045
We'd still have the leftists with their bullshit environmentalism crippling our industry so Asia can compete.
So it's not just the niggers and spic siphoning all the wealth. Americans are the most intelligent, and industrious people on the planet. We have the most powerful economy in the world, even with all the handicaps placed on us.

>>509454917
>We'd still have the leftists with their bullshit environmentalism
Stopped reading there.
The biggest problem we have is that there are way too many people on the planet...

>>509456229
>stop feeding all the browns
>their populations drop back to pre-1900s numbers
Stupid moron.

>>509442236 (OP)
Who the fuck is paying 20% of their paychecks for insurance?

>>509442774
>yeah
The fuck are you on? You are required to be on a plan, and your employer is required to buy into and offer them

>>509442774
You need car insurance to drive in the US you know.

>>509456544
>You need car insurance to drive in the US you know.
CHECKED
Plus paying 20% for something to protect me from you is way easier to justify than paying 4% for something to protect you from you.

Don't forget property tax and HOA to keep your paid-off house.

>>509457880
To make sure that the rich actually pay their fair share in taxes. We are over 30 trillion dollars in debt, but right wing retards just voted to give billionaires more tax breaks.

Jewsa is a fucked up country beyond belief

>>509456544
MedPay coverage is optional, more money, and not even an option in every state. Also its coverage is very limited anyway.

>>509442236 (OP)
Canada is also 20% if not more. The average family of 4 with two working parents pay $17,000+ a year (depending on province). Plus they also need to spend another $3000 at least a year on private health insurance to cover things the public doesn't. Also public health care your average wait is 1-10 years if not an emergency, and the doctors are the worst because anyone with talent leaves the "post nation state" hellhole Canada or EU has become. Socialist health care just because a grift for politicians and their friends/family.

>>509442236 (OP)
>bro keep adding more taxes
i'd be able to afford the insurance if I wasn't paying for medicare.

>>509442236 (OP)
I did the math on the cost differences if I lived in taxes and made the exact same salary.
The average leaf pays 8k in taxes for 16 hour waits, wall to wall jeets, and regularly people die waiting at the ER.
I would pay 10k less in taxes just comparing dollar for dollar and the us dollar is worth 30 percent more. I could afford the best health insurance going paid out of pocket and have actual first world healthcare, chances are my employer would have a plan anyway.
You're being lied to, socialized healthcare is a nightmare, at least the way leafland and bongland do it. Both are being crushed under the jeet onslaught and will fail in the next 5 to 10 years outright.

insurance model is indefensible. It is essentially a nedless overhead cost. The only possible good argument is that i don't want to pay for others who don't pay, but that fails because hospitals are obliged to treat patients even if they can't pay. So you end up paying premium to cover the ones who don't pay

>>509442236 (OP)
there's no such thing as a 4% social contribution covering healthcare, in france when an employer pays 100k a year the employee is left with 56k BEFORE income tax (which is higher than in the us too), all for a health coverage which is significantely worse than a bronze plan in the us

>>509462162
The only reason private health providers charge only that is because alot of their costs are subsidized by the government with your tax money.

>>509461826
It's about 8k per capita in tax that goes toward healthcare for leafs, on average. You can easily afford insurance for that.
>>509462162
Texas not Taxes

>>509462258
Income taxes do not all go to healthcare.

>>509462264
I'm a leaf you portugese faggot, its 100% subsidized with the crushing tax I pay so jeets can import their relatives for for me to pay for.

>>509442236 (OP)
>lower life expectancy than any European country
That's because Americans are insanely fat though, doesn't have much to do with the health care system. They can't really save people that don't want to be saved.

>>509442236 (OP)
When I was single I paid <1% for health insurance.
Now I have a family and pay 3%
Can I have my 4% back?
>B-but you'll be helping others
I'd rather tithe it and help my church and town directly than give it to federal bureaucracy for state funded child castration

>>509462342
shut the fuck up retard go learn to read

>>509462359
I mean the private healthcare costs are subsidized by your tax money, retard. Learn to read your own language.

I pay 30% for healthcare for other people and 2% for myself

>>509442863
the real numbers is that medicaid covers 1 persons health insurance for 20% less than the average health insurance.
you could be saving 20% on healthcare right now if you could buy into medicaid
also you never have to fuck with the insurance company on the phone about what drugs are covered or not, or weird copays, it all just works

what this alternatively means is that 20% of the population could be freeloading on medicaid, and it would still cost you nothing, and you would have a more pleasant experience.

this is assuming the massive collective bargaining doesnt drive medical costs down more which it is proven to do in every other country

Why won't leftoids ever acknowledge the part where yurop hasn't been paying for their own defense until Trump made them.

>>509442236 (OP)
nigger, when I get payed about 25% is immediately taken in tax and when I buy something I have to pay another 20% in tax, most of that is to hold up our failed medical system. If you think 4% is going to cover anything for any length of time, you're a retard. 4% today is 10% in a year and 40% in 20 years. They will jack that up forever. Juan needs his diabetes feet amputated because he drank too much soda living off your welfare, better get a second job to cover it for him.

>>509442236 (OP)
I don’t pay 20% of my paycheck to insurance. What is he talking about frens?

>>509442236 (OP)
Do these faggots not understand capitalism? They would fight a monopoly tooth and nail and yet not see the stupidity of preferring state run. Does the state(government) do anything well? Why would you expect them to run your healthcare well?

>>509442774
So if I get in a car accident and I don’t have insurance they leave me to die on the side of the freeway? Why have I never seen this happen?

>>509462620
>Does the state(government) do anything well?
Clearly they do healthcare better. They do defence better. They do roads better. They do policing better.

My employer pays my insurance. It's not my fault these retards can't find a good job.

>>509462451
We don't have private healthcare costs, Canada has a single payer (failing) system you absolute fucking twelve IQ mouth breathing subhuman portuguese baboon.
Why the fuck do they even allow you mongoloids on the internet? I swear even jeets aren't as retarded.

>>509462543
I don't know my insurance cost less than the medicare payment.
Faggot doesn't understand 4% is a lot more than 60 dollars a month.

>>509442236 (OP)
Why not pay neither?

Why pay a government at all? Why don't governments pay you instead for their right to exist?

>>509442236 (OP)
>20% to insurance
lmao

>>509462667
How do you know? There's no fucking alternatives

>>509462687
Damn you really are mad
See>>509462162
>I could afford the best health insurance going paid out of pocket
I'm just going by what you write. The only reason insurance is that "cheap" is because a huge part of their costs is subsidized by the government

>>509442236 (OP)
How about i keep 100% of my paycheck?

>>509442236 (OP)
>>Number one in per capita medical expenses
>>Number one in medical bankruptcies
>>Number one in malpractice deaths
>and it has
>>A lower life expectancy than any European country
Literally none of this shit affects you if you have your shit together and are at least middle class. The only problem America has is that it has a glut of fat loser drug addicts who can't control their behavior or delay gratification.

>>509462806
By your own country history. You have many local polices, like state polices and sheriffs. The reason the FBI (government police) was created was because local polices were too inneficient to handle some type of criminals. In Europe roads were essentially privatized. To move goods people would have to pay tolls to a series of local lords, cities, monasteries... It cripples trade. Defense should be obvious, states without a strong central army got destroyed in the 17th century

>>509442236 (OP)
you worship kikes, boomers, and niggers

>>509462835
I am really mad, that portugal didn't have free abortions which would have saved me from ever speaking to you most likely.
You're not very good at math are you? If I pay 10k less in taxes and STILL would make more money dollar for dollar without exchange even considered, while paying for top tier insurance, and getting top tier medical care when canadians are dying waiting 16 hours in a sea of jeets what exactly is the problem?
And then you consider everything is cheaper across the board and the dollar is worth 30% more.
And that's just income tax, Canada also has crushing sales tax, crushing property tax, etc. It's estimated the actual rate by the time everything is accounted for is more like 60%, income alone is close to 30% off the top.

>>509463194
The only reason top tier health insurance costs below 10k dollars is because health insurance is heavily subsidized by your taxes. If you stopped paying taxes for healthcare, and your state stopped spending in healthcare, health insurance would be much more expensive than 10k, because health insurance would have to maintain the same services you are paying right now, and charge even more to pay for bureacratic overhead and profit. The reason you are mad is because you can't understand what i'm telling you, and you seem to have a poor grasp of the English language

>>509463461
My taxes would be lower, I calculated for Texas making the same salary I do now, I would take home more money. And my Canadian taxes 100% subsidize the medical system now, not heavily, fully. So I can pay for Jeets to clog the system while I can one day choose between 18 months for cancer surgery (maybe if there even is healthcare left by then for me) or just go get maid and blast off.
What part of this is not computing for your empty head?

>>509463194
Just be glad that your health care system isn't your country's #1 cause of bankruptcy.

>>509463790
First, income taxes do not go 100% to healthcare. And even if you assumed they do, while your taxes means healthcare is virtually free, insurance does not. You will still pay out of pocket even with top tier insurances for many mundane things. It is a bit weird that you were talking about insurance in America, i assumed you were talking about insurance in Canada. But the point still stands, insurance in America is also heavily subsidized by tax dollars.

>>509463914
Why would I care if a jobless nigger doesn't pay their own way and gets caught with their pants down on account of being a dumbfuck?

>>509442236 (OP)
It sure wasn't 20% of anyone's paycheck anywhere before Obama.

>>509446928
Insurance companies have colluded with healthcare providers to charge patients who have their plans less than those who don't. It's a gigantic racket and they should all hang.

>>509464226
Those don't declare bankrupcy, they just don't pay the bills and since they don't have bills or assets, what are they going to do? Impound the bong? The bankrupcies are declared by working families.

>>509464152
Holy fuck you are a broken record retard. I never said they did, I clearly spelled out that the average leaf pays 8000 in tax toward healthcare, for shit healthcare.
The average mutt pays 7000 a year for a gold tier insurance plan.
Leafs still pay for many things with our "free healthcare" My dad spent hundreds if not thousands per month on prescriptions while dying of cancer.
> It is a bit weird that you were talking about insurance in America
Because you are an esl dumbfuck from portugal who doesn't even understand what you are replying to much less what you are trying to say.

>>509464507
Then I guess they should have paid for insurance huh?

>>509464637
My argument stays the same, that 7000 a year is heavily subsidized by taxes.
>Leafs still pay for many things with our "free healthcare"
Same with insurance, except you will pay much more on many more things out of pocket

>>509464677
Many do, but the out of pocket expenses are still large enough to force them into bankrupcy. Others are denied by the insurance company on (sometimes) bogus reasons.

>>509464798
And you still keep going over and over and over the same stupid thing you can't wrap your fucking head around.... Jfc
Little Johnny and Little Billy make the exact same salary, Billy lives in leafland, Johnny lives in Muttland, If little Billy takes home 50k a year in leafland after tax and has shit ass healthcare, and little Johnny takes home 60k a year because his taxes are lower, and he still has up to 10k more which he can now spend on good insurance who is better off?
Think really hard now I know even you might be able to figure this one out.

>>509442926
>cancer didn't exist before 2020
what is this brain rot that is gen z

>>509442236 (OP)
>We spend more for worse care and you've been brainwashed into believing there's simply no other way.

>We spend more for worse care and you've been brainwashed into believing there's simply no other way.

>We spend more for worse care and you've been brainwashed into believing there's simply no other way.

THIS! SO MUCH THIS!

So, the US bringing in all these "doctors" from India is just salt in the wound. We've been completely brainwashed to think that this will improve our medical system. Wake up! Stop importing Indians. Import Indians, get India.

>>509442236 (OP)

>>509457880

someone please explain this shit to me because I don't understand it. I am imagining that health care is like hot dogs or something. everyone wants hot dogs but they're like $100 so a lot of people can't afford them. how is the government giving everyone "free" hot dogs supposed to change the fact that they're still $100? the money still has to come from somewhere, and if there was a way to make them cheaper so everyone could afford them why bother with taxing everyone to pay for the hot dogs when they could just buy the cheap hot dogs themselves?

>>509442517
avoid hospitals in the USA they are profit motivated they do not care about you or your well being they only want money