Consider the two following tanks.
T-72B
>introduced in 1984
>even the CIA didn't know it existed until it was spotted during the 1986 Victory Day parade with its slightly differenty shaped turret armor
>was basically secret for 2 years past introduction. CIA didn't even know how it was designated so it was refered to as T-72 M1986 in their reports
T-14
>paraded in 2014 for the whole world to tremble in fear
>muh most advanced tank in the world
>10 years later still hasn't been properly introduced
>hasn't even completed army trials
>engine still not ready for mass production
>tank is a mess and gets cancelled because SMO requires lots of tanks now, and it is easier to rebuild and modernize from old soviet stock
The old USSR seems to have been magnitudes more serious about such matters then the modern RF. Chasing clout and cheap propaganda points with unfinished future tanks is just one example.

>>509483126 (OP)
i know one thing man,
Latvians have the best dill pickles.

>>509483126 (OP)
Tanks are obsolete. Future battlefields will require bigger tanks that have a bunch of counter measures such as anti air guided turrets manned or operated by ai. These tanks will also need sometype of electronic warfare system to shit down anti tank guided weapons. Overall it will need to also be heavier to withstand bombs, there will also need to be a solution to mines which a bulldozer in the front can maybe solve. Overall it's a rip off in modern warfare now tanks are good as defensive weapons for instance you could build a trench around a tank and they could in theory help stop infantry assaults otherwise if they are in the offensive there is so much modern bullshit that will just blow it up.

>>509483126 (OP)
Russian army use (Do we still have them?) THREE different main battle tanks, the "funny" thing is that their parts are not interchangeable. T72, T80, T64 if i remember correctly.
Just think of how this fuck ups logistics and production of russian tanks, while other countries mainly have One MBT.

t14 is just propaganda.
I could be very generous and call it an assembly of whatever western pieces they could steal.
but I won't.
lol in 2025 they cry about going back to the 80s. it's that bad!
puccia is a shithole.

>>509483488
Absolutely agree, but it would make more sense (to me) if tanks main gun turrets removed, remove all tank ammunition and used as heavily-armoured APC. Slap bunch of ERA, anti-drone cages so they wont get get killed by a singular drone dropping grenade in open hatch, and if you are luxurious add the active-protection against anti-tank missiles.
It will be perfect to transfer troops in without constant fear of drones, maybe. Maybe.

>>509483883
Nato members don't even use the same ammo in rifles because every member prioritizes their national economy (producing 'stuff' themselves) over efficiency. The logistical clusterfuck in a war would be 100X worse for us. You got 3 generations of tank, we got 3 generations and 20 types of -everything- Imagine being a hohol you ran out of ammo but muh british ammo dont work in muh french gun and muh german shell dont work in muh italian artillery

>>509483126 (OP)
>10 years later still hasn't been properly introduced
>hasn't even completed army trials
>engine still not ready for mass production
The engine is the culprit. It literally can't fit into the hull
And they just can't engineer a new one
Yes, 10-15 years later they literally can't design a new tank engine
All the money were stolen, the tank is practically abandoned now except a few parade pieces that are not combat ready
Source: I read some articles about it actually, they were pretty technical and detailed, but there's no way I would find them now, so, well, trust me bro
>The old USSR seems to have been magnitudes more serious about such matters then the modern RF
Absolutely. Modern russian mafia (government) prefers to steal money. It's actually accepted as long you give a cut to your higher ups, it's a literal political strategy of the whole country. All the tech is either soviet or chinkese

this is the funniest of them all.
it's just a mockup.
the self checkmate!

>>509483440
The only decent ethnic food we have, other then brown lathyrus. Tasty food is for niggers and meds.
>>509483883
Well...the T-64 production over time was replaced by T-80 production, so the imtent was to have two - one high end one low end.
Russia is the state with most total engineering graduates in the world, which explains their combat vehicle autism, which I as an engineer and a War Thunder fan adore and endorse.
But the post isn't about that. The post is about them doing nonsense for clout.

>>509484351
Defense show marketing, East or West, is hilarious to me. I still laugh about France putting up black curtains all around Israel Aerospace Defence's booth at the Paris Air Show a few weeks back kek.

>>509484479


ROFLMAO
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/03/24/russia-anticipates-mig-41-with-electromagnetic-cannon-by-2025/

>>509483126 (OP)
>more serious
Have you considered that the RF simply doesn't have the same economic and human resources that the USSR did?

>>509484542
There was also an article from Economist that partially addressed this issue, arms production used to be much easier at mass because it was simpler. No advanced chips mumbo-jumbo, any fridge or car factory could have been converted into ammo production overnight because most of the machinery was the same. Nowadays everything is highly specialized and it takes 24 months to produce one fighter jet
On the other hand it's easier to mass produce simpler tools like FPV drones, you can even 3D print them in your garage
https://archive.is/ObDH8

retarded thread with retarded posts by retards

>>509483126 (OP)
>The old USSR seems to have been magnitudes more serious about such matters then the modern RF.
Just how retarded are you russian rape babies?

>>509484063
Nah...the T-14 was based of Object 195 which had soviet roots, but was cancelled.
Unlike the T-14, however, it wasn't ever dragged out to a military state parade.
>>509484192
Then you wouldn't have long range direct fire support. The rare instance where tanks are quite useful, even now.
>>509484285
There are standards regarding bullet weight, load, barrel twist etc. Only the french where a bit weird with the famas, but now that is being replaced by the m416.

>>509483883

>>509484894
Also read a book before asking such retarted questions.

>>509485221
War has changed, it's all about hypersonics, drones and motorcycles, now.

>>509484285
meh this is kind of bullshit. If you mean rifle ammo, its either 556 or 308 in the vast overwhelming majority of cases.

The british surely use 556 in their rifles just like we do here in sweden. For artillery, ok here there may be differences. But thats the entire point of NATO - all countries have to agree to use certain types of ammo, which are all mostly american. Shells, casings and bullets, and often the weapon systems themselves.

Production of the engine for the T14 was disrupted by internal sabotage in the mid-10th.

You heard about it here

>>509485221
trashcan 195 right there

>>509485422
>we never needed tanks.

>>509485546
>internal sabotage in the mid-10th
da, hato sabotaged little puccia.
how sad.
you should sue at the un.

>>509485581
>romania flag
literally gypsies on EU dotations.

>>509483126 (OP)
It's cheaper and faster to produce T-90s currently it will take years and time to switch production

>>509485804
Yep.

>>509484192
Depends the doctrine, I don't see the Asians army using nothing but numbers and raw materials, maybe NATO and the SCO can build advanced vehicles. They don't need a individual turret to down the drones maybe a potent laser or radio beans can do the work.

>>509483126 (OP)
Russia is a lot weaker than the Soviet Union which makes it even more humiliating that Russia is solo raping all of NATO to death.

>>509483126 (OP)
because russia on its own is a drunkard shithole, the only time it was relevant was because it was part of central europe

>>509483883
>Just think of how this fuck ups logistics and production
Yeah but imagine how bad it would be if you not only didn't produce your own tanks but were part of a military alliance that relied exclusively on the limited production and logistics chain from a single foreign entity on another continent

>>509484426
>Tasty food is for niggers and meds
holy fucking cope ahahahahahahag

>>509483126 (OP)
The USSR were subhumans with resources.
Russians are subhumans without resources

>>509483126 (OP)
>The old USSR seems to have been magnitudes more serious about such matters
nah, CIA was trying to justify own existence by overblowing danger

>>509485546
Sabotaged by their own chimp IQ

>>509483126 (OP)
In production currently there are 200 waiting to be sent to the front. T72 will be phased out since its low orbit aircraft. T14 had to get updated for better armor and crew survivability. There going to build up a stock and train them with the surviving tank crews from the T72's and send them out in a hail marry. But this time it will be infantry supported tanks unlike the start of the war. Drones will act as a rolling arty barrage. The mass conscription is coming for the russians and they need to stock up for a bit. Belarus is getting annexed too.

Call it.
Cigan or hohol draft dodger

>>509483126 (OP)
Honestly they should have canned that design because it doesn't belong on the battlefield rather than drag it's development on. Russia and high tech tanks don't go together, they have a lot of territory to cover, now a lot of money gets stolen and brain drain affects entire eastern Europe.

>>509490938
Also those shitty modern tanks would get disabled by one nearby artillery blast.

>>509484063
How many world class tanks do you have and produce?

>>509485581
Never said we don't need tanks. Stop projecting, you liberal cuck.

>>509486694
I wouldn't call it a humiliation but a victory nonetheless.

>>509490119
And soon to be your neighbor.

>>509490990
Not to mention the T14 still has thin roof armor which would get penetrated by a FPV drone charge and send the turret flying (this time without the crew)

>>509490990
Drones are dropping anti tank mines. There needs to be new material designs entirely. Normally a tank could likely handle a few weak anti tank weapons like AT4's and RPGs without getting the entire crew killed. However it will disable it with a few well placed shots. Then ATGM's came along and almost guaranteed a first hit kill. Arty would take between 5-10 shots to land a kill but the shrapnel can destroy a tanks functionality in a few well placed shots. A direct hit would kill it above a certain weight class 100mm+.

Now with drones you can land it right were it needs to go and not even the crew gets lead time to detect it coming since its such a small and much faster device than it was 10 years ago.

You still need tanks for fixed positions like trenches, dug outs, outher armor and bunkers but it needs to be supported with more infantry instead of these piece meal attacks we keep seeing from both sides where there is almost no support let alone a leading drone strike to put the enemy in cover.

>>509491266
3 years and you got 20% of Ukraine. I think we'll be fine sooner or later you'll sign a peace treaty and that's it. The conflict will go back to 2014 levels.

>>509483126 (OP)
>The old USSR seems to have been magnitudes more serious about such matters then the modern RF.
That's not the story of the T-72B at all though.

>>509491272
Not only T-14. All modern tanks I know of suffer from this issue.
>>509491290
Agreed.

Drones make modern warfare faggy, but at least active defense systems are kino. Soviets invented the first and, of course, it used to kill more soldiers than the enemy's AT attacks, but it saved the soviet equipment kek

>>509490452
Call it.
Yakut cunteyes or assimilated nigger.
>>509490272
Don't be mean to engineers. You can't imagine what they are capable off.
>>509489814
>said by a mutt
>>509490264
As per my first post the USSR wouldn't do such retarded nonsense. If they did, there would be a good reason (to cover their own asses or otherwise).
>>509491272
Hindsight is 2025. Back in 2014 noone, perhaps only Assad and ISIS really considered them a threat. Now everyone suddenly has their own version of the cope cage, even the Japs.

>>509491405
The story is the USSR not chasing clout not T-72B having its own issues.

>>509491592
I think the only reason why they have these piece meal attacks anyways is because there contracts are like 6-14 months. Way to short to actually get enough people on the line to do a proper supported attack. Last time they did it too there was simply to many mines in the area.

The drones removing the fog of war entirely to the point that you can pick out scouts, snipers and special forces moving around in the area with little more than a simple AI motion detector makes this war alot harder to fight.

Honestly anti drone and anti mine solutions need to come sooner than later if this war is to progress pass a snails pace. There currently is not enough soliders on the field for either side to actually take ground that would change the face of this war. Both sides have emptied there prisons, mental asylums and homeless encampments to make a change on the battlefield but it looks like its a trickle of difference.

Proper combat videos and not the gore kill the wounded ones really shows the crap that goes on both with FPV drones and cameras on heads. Alot of shit is happening and not enough counter measures are making it to the front.

>>509491956
>Oh the USSR was so much better organized than EmRussia is now!
They slightly changed the shape of the tank's turret. No shit the CIA didn't hear about it as it's an entirely irrelevant change.

>>509491862
cope harder literal who thirdie

>>509492086
>uprated 840hp engine
>improved FCS, ability to launch ATGMs at 5km, outranging NATO tanks.
>improved hull armor composition
>western style NERA modules in turret thus the different shape
Ignorant normie faggots GTFO, this is a site for autists.
>>509492088
You will never be as huwite as lighteyed baltic supersoldiers.

>>509483126 (OP)
My post-Soviet nigger, in your dumbest baltoid delusion, you forget that the best tank is in the world right now is the T-90MC (Ukraine war), as the entire “T” series are the best and most mass produced tanks in the world. The T-14 was never positioned as a mass produced tank. It is a tank of network-centric warfare (google what it is), which accompanies the tank group, it is not the main strike force it is a command tank, the core of the tank group, its main power is in electronics, which it is stuffed with. There are 144 of them in Russia, more than Britain's tank fleet. And yes, even with a prototype engine it is still the most advanced tank in the world.

The T-14 also has its personal combat drone, the Pterodactyl, currently in development. None of the current tank powers have advanced this far in the concept of tank building. Now you can cope about that.

>>509494990

saw this in an anime and thought it would be a great idea for russian tanks to put wings on the turret so it can still fight after the turret is launched into the air

>>509484743
Cope harder, rssukyi

>>509495368
Keeek

>>509494990
When the ammunition explodes, the flimsy little armour plate of the crew compartment will be pushed inward and smash the crew. The same will happen when a mine explodes under the turret. The rear plate of the crew capsule is way too thin (if it really looks like this drawing). How do I know that? I worked with a research team on vehicles that have been destroyed by IEDs in Afghanistan.

>>509483126 (OP)
RF is a ZOG state. Russia lost in 1985

>>509483126 (OP)
I'm sure they got thoroughly infiltrated by intelligence agents during the 90s

>>509496035
They should put a fuel tank in between the crew and the turret basket as extra protection. Or to spray burning fuel all over the crew compartment if it gets penetrated

>>509493713
>improved FCS, ability to launch ATGMs at 5km, outranging NATO tanks.
Try hitting a tank sized target at 5km with your 8x TPD-K1 sight.
>improved hull armor composition
It wasn't an improvement, why are you lying so much?
For a much larger weight than T-72A textolite armor I had a slightly better KE resistance and the same! HEAT resistance.
The main raison d'etre of such armor array was cost effectiveness.

>>509494990
Whatever T-14 was supposed to be is irrelavent because even your own army refuses to accept it into service.
Yet it somehow ended up in the victory day parade, because a certain insecure cunteyed kgb manlet had a desperate need to flex something.
The USSR would have never done anything as stupid as gloat about a fantasy tank during an official state parade.
It is also highly debatable whether the T-90M is the best tank fighting in Ukraine (where afu aren't even getting the top shelf stuff), considering
>5km/h (walking pace) reverse speed
>autoloader ammunition exploding on direct impact
>two part ammunition resulting in limited penetrating rod lenght and ap capability when compared to german/american 120mm guns.
Some points are also applicable to nato tanks, but still..

>>509496035
This is not a real bluprint, but a schematic. The crew armor capsule is an important feature of this tank, it is specially designed to protect the crew from everything - from mines, from ammunition explosions and so on. There is no plate there - it is a monolithic armored capsule, its purpose is to protect the crew. It is also the only tank in the world that has a semblance of a toilet.

>>509497377
>KE
According to an article published by Andrei Tarasenko, the first version of the T-72B hull armour (referring to the "Improved T-72A" from 1984) was 20% more effective than a homogeneous plate by mass, so the ME coefficient is 1.2. In a separate article, the armour is stated to have an effective thickness of 490mm RHA.
>HEAT
Applying the ME coefficient of 1.2, the "Reflection-1" armour would have an effective thickness of 496mm RHA, which makes it essentially equivalent to the 500mm RHA effective thickness of the basic T-72A

And in modern battlefield HEAT is a far more common tank threat that KE.

>>509497423
>your own army refuses to accept it into service.
Nigga, where are you getting this information from? Whether or not it's accepted or not, they won't tell you.

> (where afu aren't even getting the top shelf stuff)
Picrel

>T-90M
T-90M and T-90MC

Didn't read any further. A copium of the stupid military noob, the eternally seething baltoid.

>>509498054
That balticnigger thinks he knows a lot about tanks but most of his statements are overgeneralized lies.

>>509498366
>balticnigger
Baltnigger*

>>509498366
He also thinks Russia is fighting at the own limit, so he is obligated to take everything he has in arms. But it's not his fault he's stupid, it's the latvian information resources that make him look like a brainwashed retard.

>>509498678
>He also thinks Russia is fighting at the own limit
Kek
>it's the latvian information resources that make him look like a brainwashed retard.
True

>>509484542
That for sure. The current rulers of russia make sure of that.

>>509483126 (OP)
It's not surprising that Russia put some military projects on the back burner after the mid-2010s oil price crash. This is nothing out of the ordinary. For example, the Future Combat Systems project in the US was cancelled after the 2008 financial crash.

>>509499468
Russia today has half the population of the USSR in 1989 (144m vs 285m).

>>509499841
And 1/10 or less of the industry and brains.

>>509500154
Keep in mind that R&D and productive potential doesn't scale linearly, it scales exponentially due to scale benefits. Russia still develops their own weapons including most of the components, so this scale effect is very important.

>>509484683
I feel like every modern piece of tech taking forever to build is a way bigger issue. Hard to believe US carriers where built in a year back in the WW2 days

>>509497629
>there is no plate there
kek
Sorry, but you have no actual idea what you're talking about.

>>509497178
It doesn't matter anyways since that thing would be a waste of resources in the face of the current threats to tanks. I guess it won't be built in larger numbers. I assume they will skip that one for a newly designed vehicle that is cheap to manufacture in large numbers and has a specialized protection package against drones.

>>509497377
>>509497681
So the composition is different as per my last psot. Also is 20% insignificant? They clearly cared about nato tanks shooting apfsds at them, otherwise they wouldn't weld literal plates on their front hulls.
>>509498054
They are refusing to deploy it into ukraine.
https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/03/04/73295120/
Yeah it got finally accepted sometime last year, kinda missed it. But compare it to USSR, where tanks are revealed publicaly literaly years after their acceptance. Why is the RF so insecure?
>T-90 and T-90MS
The T-90MS is an export model for jeets and other russian alligned militaries.
The T-90M is the version currently in service with the russian army.
>>509498678
>>509498366
To the honest white people of europe it is a know fact that the prefered debating tactic of the vile slavic kike is to slander their opponent when they bring up uncomfortable truths.
Even claiming things they have never themselves said is not below their reprehensibleness.
The more one interacts with them, the more it becomes clear that the fetilization of soil is the highest purpose they could possibly ever achive.