I don't think I've ever understand Libertarianism. It's never worked. It never will work. It fundamentally relies on people not being corrupt or a system that can't be corrupted. Laissez-faire has no safeguards or regulations. Its actually even worse, because it almost encourages the most corrupting influence that exists, money, to be directly injected into politics and policy-decisions.

No offense, but do you have to be stupid to truly be a libertarian? Even worse, every time a libertarian tries to make a point it reinforces in my mind that they're idiots.

>>509520130 (OP)
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
lolbergs confirmed leftoids

>>509520130 (OP)
>It fundamentally relies on people not being corrupt or a system that can't be corrupted.
I'd say it's the exact opposite. Libertarians will generally insist that people are necessarily corruptible, which is why they should be restrained as much as possible from using the monopoly on legitimate violence that the state affords them to their own corrupt ends.

>>509520130 (OP)
Lolbertism gets really stupid when it gets into banking. Enjoy constant bank failures and shylocks ruining the economy constantly. Yes it's possible to have a central bank that isn't created for the benefit of and run by jews.

>>509520190
this

>>509520130 (OP)

Libertarianism isn't particularly rational, but your understanding of it is hilariously bad.

Fuck jewgreed capitalist kikes

>>509520695
Go ahead break it down for me.

>>509521431
Not to toot my own horn but I think I did a pretty good job of breaking it down for you.

>>509522117
>>509520409
I disagree. Libertarians raise the individual, the citizen, the man onto a pedestal. They think government should be limited, because it's the inception of corruption.
That I find fundamentally flawed, because it ignores that government is essentially people. Sure, it's people that have organized, cooperated and acted, but the building blocks are the same people Libertarianism would empower. To take it further, I would argue that corporations are worse. Most corporations follow stock holder theory as a form of ethics. While a government MAY be morally corrupt, it's not a given that their choice of ethics can't be duty-based or common good. It at least has a chance to reign in the worst tendencies of corporate greed with the notion that societal good trumps personal, or corporate gain. It's a necessity, even with the inherent risk of despotism or tyranny.

>>509521431

I resent seeing my fellow Americans profit at my expense

people rag on libertarians for being extremists or utopian or whatever but the alternative is whatever the fuck our modern chimera leviathan blood-totem surveilance debtmaxxer governments. arguments against libertarians would be more effective if we didnt have pedophile nightmare hellscape rulers right now

>>509523067
I don't typically identify as a libertarian but some people have called me that, so I think I might be more qualified to speak to what libertarians think than you.
>Libertarians raise the individual, the citizen, the man onto a pedestal.
That's the opposite of what I said. Individuals are the people who make up the government.
>government is essentially people
And we agree on that.
>They think government should be limited, because it's the inception of corruption.
No, government should be limited because (among other reasons) the people in government are corruptible by nature of simply being human, and government is a tool for them to use in a corrupt way.

By insisting that libertarians think other than than the way they do, you're just fighting a strawman.

>>509520130 (OP)
>It fundamentally relies on people not being corrupt
yes
most people (including myself before I realized the truth) believe that is possible
most people that are economically liberal really believe the lie of muh free market
I have a masters in economics and it took me to start actually working in the companies that preach for liberalism to realize it was all a lie

>>509523604
Monumentally based.

>>509521431
>your libertarian ideals are irresponsible and harmful
>t.government that destroyed multiple countries around the world for no justifiable reason and intentionally subverted all sense of homogeneity within america

>>509520130 (OP)
what a retard pic from a gay OP
>working for yourself
You fucking retard, what are barriers to entry, what is taxation? Starting a business is exponentially easier with access to capital
I'm running a fucking bar with gambling machines. My own fucking business
I spend 5€ for a bottle of wine from the supplier and earn 25€ from customers for chugging it down in small glasses. I'm rich right? No, because i'm barely earning shit after the government takes 50% i own and 50% of everything every supplier and customer makes. Plus VAT and hidden taxes. I get 100 middlemen for everything, plus absurd rates for electricity. Oh and i got solar panels. It doesn't fucking matter, because the govt stiffs me on bills with their smart meters. They're out to scam ME for their failures and wastage. if i increase monthly expenses in electricity consumption by 20 cents, i get a 4€ increase in the bill, because all the fees and taxes go up.
And the gambling machines? I'm again barely making anything for drawing in clients, hiring catty chicks to keep them entertained and addicting them to the machines and alcohol and lottery tickets. Since i'm running a SCUMMY BUSINESS at least i should be making cash without fucking inventing new fucking economics to make shit work.

So don't bullshit me retarded NEET of an OP shill nigger, most people work for an employer because SO MUCH value is stolen being a business owner is fucking awful unless you're jumping on speculative fads every year or violating the law. Fuck you and your ass society that makes people too tired and jaded to even engage in capitalism.

>>509520130 (OP)
That meme is only true in lolbert paradise where a free market actually exists. Meanwhile, in reality, capitalists/big corporations lobbied to pass tons of laws and regulations intended to strangle competition by making it prohibitively difficult and expensive for new/smaller businesses to exist. Then they took advantage of the scamdemic to completely shit down the throat of small businesses. Shart Mart and Amazon could stay open and post record profits, meanwhile all the small stores either had to close down or could only allow a couple customers inside at a time.

>>509520130 (OP)
>Laissez-faire has no safeguards or regulations
it does, it just ensures the unnecessary or harmful ones are removed
having none of them would be anarchy

>I don't think I've ever understand Libertarianism
you likely won't because you voluntarily refuse to by creating a parody of it in your mind that can be easily deconstructed rather than the real thing

>It fundamentally relies on people not being corrupt

All systems do to some degree. One ruler to rule em all? The ruler gotta be a good person or else they gonna turn into a tyrant. System where power is evenly divided? The people who inhabit the system gotta be good or else corruption happens. Even if you try and limit the government, it won't really SOLVE the issue, perhaps just slow it down. If the people who make it within the system don't give two shits about the people they are supposed to work for it's doomed to sooner or later become a bad government