why does everybody list moby dick which is a trash boring sci fi novel about whaling including frequent info dumps about the profession.

I hate how americans reinterpret it into an adventure novel or character study. It wasn't that.
Lovecraft translates to other cultures across the world and invented an entire genre.

>>509527621 (OP)
>moby dick
>sci fi novel
what

>>509527621 (OP)
Moby Dick's a great book, seethe more

>>509527754
>>509527779
yeah you got conned, read the original version its dry material and facts about the whaling industry and profession

Moby-dick is peak. Lovecraft is good too but he at no point managed a single towering magnum opus the way Melville did.

>>509527871
that's interesting stuff though

>>509527942
yes but they all lie about what it is
>>509527926
lovecraft created an entire genre, chinese churning them out in bulk right now

>>509527621 (OP)
What the hell is this? The greatest American novel is obviously the Holy Bible.

>>509527871
that's not what sci fi means at least not in america

>>509528150
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea anon is the closest relative to moby dick, its sci fi

>16 pages attempting to describe some ancient god
>oh and the clocks are shaped like coffins

>>509528096
"Lovecraftian" is an overused term in modern culture. Most stuff people call Lovecraftian really isn't.

>>509527621 (OP)
>Moby Dick
Literally no one who praises it actually read it. The story is a mess, the pacing is horrible and it's incredibly boring with all the needlessly long descriptions of fishing and whaling. Half of the book is a dry non-fiction encyclopedia of maritime customs and whaling, the other half is badly written and hard to follow story that randomly changes in writing style.

>>509527621 (OP)
>novel
Lovecraft never wrote a novel and couldn't write dialogue.

>>509528310
yes that is sci fi but that doesn't at all mean that moby dick is sci fi
also that's not american

i wouldn't worry about. there's no faulkner or poe there either

>>509527621 (OP)
western literature is all boring af and mogged by the average visual novel or manga.

>>509528310
For me, its Two Years Before the Mast

>>509528393
That's what makes it epic you retard. Were you expecting Avengers or Star Wars? Lmfao

>>509528393
based
>>509528380
manhua "Lovecraftian Plague Doctor" was fun

>>509527754
OP is a retard, moby dick is a masterpiece

>>509528559
McCarthy, Pynchon, Melville, and Lovecraft all mog your gay little loli shit. The Incal was decent.

>>509528570
you distort what it is so you can brag about having a writer on your own

>>509527621 (OP)
and where the fuck is 'infinite jest' absolute philistines

Anyone who thinks Gatsby is good is a certified psued. The reason it is studied in high school is because it is extremely unsubtle symbolism which is appropriate to teach retard children who have no experience with literary analysis.

I liked Moby-Dick and think it is a very ambitious and well written work. The /lit/ annotated version is a treat as well.
The Confidence Man is another Melville piece that is interesting. I assume this list is trying to avoid double dipping on authors but that's retarded. Tom Sawyer is also more important/significant than Huck Finn.

I think there's an argument to include a proper Western/Cowboy novel even though they are basically pulp fiction. The genre inspired one of the most noteworthy cultural movements in literary/cinematic history with the Western film so its importance to America is significant.

>>509527621 (OP)
None of those faggots had a cat named Nigger-Man

Moby Dick is insanely good.
And I think American literature is absolute trash. Faulkner is a dumbed down drama queen and the guy from Blood Meridian is so trashy it gets obviously ridiculous pretty quick. Jack London: a simpleton.
Moby Dick is a masterpiece

>>509527621 (OP)
Saul Bellow is Canadian tho

>>509528678
Are you arabic by any chance? You type like a literal knuckle dragging retard. Nobody distorts it, the autism is the spectacle, you're just an idiot.

>>509528719
Blood Meridian would have to be it then

>>509528624
Don Quixote is a masterpiece, 20000 leagues under the ocean is a masterpiece, lovecraft wrote masterpieces

moby dick is a dry, boring mess a story about the american whaling industry

>>509527621 (OP)
>no Poe
>no Yates
>no Vonnegut
>no Kesey
Dogshit list

>>509527621 (OP)
they dont like his cat's name

>>509527621 (OP)
>moby dick is a sci fi novel

>>509527621 (OP)
if The Pale King was finished it would be on that list.

East of Eden is literally Redpill: The Book

central villian is a woman who whores her way through life and learns nothing. a fantastic read, well worth the investment of time

>>509528796
The violence in blood meridian is all realistic and plausible and to think otherwise only betrays an over-socialized naivety. My dreams would be a better example of unrealistic violence.

>>509528543
Or Hemingway

>>509528926
fuck that pinko

cookier timer

>>509528831
>moby dick is a dry, boring mess a story about the american whaling industry
Even if it was, which it is not, the American whaling industry at the time is pretty interesting in itself. But the work is so much more than that it is not even funny. Of everything ever written in America, of every narrative ever spun in that land, Moby Dick is the one to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Russians.

>>509528855
Poes stuff is meh, although i will respect the fact he was a key figure in creating the horror genre

>>509528974
He got what he fucking deserved no question.
Still like some of his written work.

>>509527621 (OP)
I'm not a huge fan of Lovecraft or his genre. His prose is too purple and his genre is too caught in his tropes. I'd argue that by categorising his kind of horror has defanged it too.
Also Moby Dick isn't sci fi. Science fiction needs some fictional scientific development in it.

>>509528380
his works passed into the public domain between 1980 and 2000 or so, and became fair game without paying royalties, which is why you started seeing his name everywhere. cheap sells, free moves.

>>509527621 (OP)
Johnny got his gun ain’t on this list.
Bullshit

>>509529066
it is about the whaling industry, how the industry fuels the US civilization how every part of the whale is used

because they want to make it and adventure, romantic or a character study americans lie about what it is

>>509528855
>vonnegut
you are a man of consummate taste, anon

Why hasnt anyone mentioned Philip K Dick or Robert Heinlein yet? Frank Herbert? Robert Jordan?

>>509529348
op's a little confused about what sci fi means

>>509529083
I like Poe for his style and poetic sense, certainly one of the greatest American writers but reading OP again, I wouldn't call any of his best works an 'American novel'. Same applies to Lovecraft even if he was far inferior

>>509528887
You are talking about a man unironically writing about tranny characters named Bussy. He is also, and I kid you not, an actual Hollywood script "writer" you better believe it. Blood Meridian, his most highly regarded work, is meandering and boringly ridiculous with an unmenacing, comedic break main villain that behaves like a court jester, a literal clown.
At least blood meridian has both the Apache attack and the buffalo hunter passages, which are the peak of McCorthy's writings. Both passages, together, comprise three pages, four at the most.

>>509529434
I just mean in terms of good american authors in general. Everyones too busy sucking off the boring shit they had to read for english class it seems

>>509529171
whaling was high tech at the time fueling US society, this is the same as an AI novel with massive info dumps about transformer architecture today
it was Sci Fi, the whale is the fantastic element and based on a real incident not as abstract as the standard interpretation makes you want to belive

>>509527621 (OP)
They lost moby dick cuz all mayo are gay af

>>509527621 (OP)
They try to make you forget about real American novels. The novel Arrowsmith used to be required reading in all schools in the USA for years until they decided to pivot to nigger lover fiction

>>509529348
>Robert Jordan
WoT sagged too much in the middle. I'd put him on top for best American fantasy authors though.

>>509528680
this, plus DFW's personal favorite, Don DeLillo

>>509529449
Nothing you said has anything of substance to it. It's completely incoherent seething that fails to effectively communicate anything about your opinion.

It's actually Robert Howard.
But Lovecraft is definitely up there.

>>509527621 (OP)
darryl cooper is a gatekeeping shill
the holohoax did not happen. there is a reason that glownigger got on toe rogain (another glownigger) podcast

>>509529348
not a dune fan (space nukes, lawrence of arabia in space), philip k dick is not as interesting as lovecraft but good
read the bladerunner book in school way back opening was some emotion modulator? hazy as fuck

I tried to recommend Blood Meridian and Suttree for a group reading project in my high school English class, and my snobby teacher shot me down because she didn't know who Cormac McCarthy was.

>But the canon!
The canon is fucking boring. Forcing some kid to read Proust in English is going to make him hate reading forever.

>>509529853
I think anyone above 6th grade reading level could get the gist of my post. Sadly, that's the absolute minority of your population, and a particularly rare demographic among /pol's Ameriflags

>>509529572
You know, you do have a point here but you should had explained this in the OP.

>>509527621 (OP)
Imagine reading The Call of Cthulhu when it came out. Giant monsters weren't really a thing. Even King Kong hadn't come out yet.

>>509527621 (OP)
Lovecraft was canceled because of his strong antisemetic views among other things. But he did marry a Jewess, for the money.
Moby dick is very gay, and desperately needed an editor. But it does have a lot of questionable spermatozoic passages.

>>509528719
Moby Dick and Huck Finn at 1 and 2 are correct. Tom Sawyer isn’t even close to the significance of Huck Finn.
>>509527621 (OP)
Of those choices Scarlet Letter should be higher, and ahead of Gatsby. Minor works by better authors are superior to the DEI choices. List needs some Henry James, too

>>509530429
It must have been awesome

>>509530191
I read that holes book by Louis Sachar (shias disney movie, my little brother had it) and it was better in my mind because I didn't understand as german teen that it was africans+jews? appropriating gypsy culture so the social justice interracial thing was not as heavy handed for me

it is deeply pleasing to read in how symetrical the story is and how nearly all elements interlock and are used, even if it is simple, preachy, woke
my autism was with it the most pleased in a book

mechanical and by narrative it is masterful, hate me all you want

>>509530301
You said nothing specific. Judge Holden is not a "literal clown", the story is meandering and "boring" only to someone who watches capeshit. Don't pretend like you said anything of value when you just threw out random claims.

>>509527621 (OP)
Books are for faggots.

HPL's only real novel was "Mountains of Madness" which wasn't great (his shortstories are better).
Robert E Howard on the other hand gave us a masterpiece in "Beyond the Black River". Although at 22k words (so LibreOffice tells me) it is barely even "novella".

>>509527754
You missed the part where they go fishing in space.

>>509527621 (OP)
American Psycho is the great American novel

>>509527621 (OP)
No McCarthy?

>>509528150
>a fictional story about the science of whaling
>it’s not sci fi
Seriously ?

>>509530766
He is literally a court jester that dances on tables and concatenates the most ridiculously pedestrian, comedic "plots"
You should read Moby Dick, fatsobro

>>509528657
Ahem..Nabokov...

>>509529171
>>509529083
>Poe
>Lovecraft
For me, it's Arthur Machen

>>509530191
TK k* the LG at the end

I tried to avoid outright spoilers

>>509530766
>You said nothing specific.
I actually mentioned specific passages and characters in his books, you lardbrained illiterate mongofatso diabetic

>>509531251
>spoiler
Yeah. He was also the one who strangled the child and got the band run out of town. Big hands and big hand marks on the kid's neck.

>>509531251
What about JH and the shitter?

>>509527871
I loved that part though. Unexpected.

>>509527621 (OP)
HP lovecraft isn't even on the list of greatest American writers. He's still better than Steven King.

>>509531187
Oh my God it's actually astounding how incapable you are of communicating clearly. Is it an ESL thing? You and the OP sound like literal apes.

I have read Moby-Dick, I love it. Blood Meridian is just as good if not better, I have a hard time picking between the two.

Anyway you're just seething incoherently like a typical impoverished male who can't form words properly. Sounds like you need to beaten, it's probably the only language you understand,

>>509531337
Yes for the parts of the novel you think are good, aka for nothing that actually relates to your argument. Did you not realize I would retort this? Are you stupid?

>>509527621 (OP)
Why is Huck over Tom?

>>509527621 (OP)
East of Eden by Steinbeck should be 1.

>>509531603
me too but it did catch me off guard everybody lied about what moby dick is and isn't, its a sci fi novel about whaling it is not about one mans heretical struggle with nature
it made me appreciate and understand how much at the time was fueled by whales in the US

>>509531188
He was a Russian novelist, even though it was written in English
Russian novelists mog American authors though. We don't have anyone on the level of a Tolstoy or Dostoyevski, or even Nabokov

>>509527621 (OP)
East of Eden is underrated, Steinbeck in general gets a bad rap

>>509531597
>>509531500
I think it’s possible the judge did the other ones. I think he exists in a weird twilight space as part corporeal form and part apparition borne of the men’s evil desires. His scene with TK in the outhouse was the kid giving in to his desires after having overcome them for so long, JH won the battle for TK’s soul

>>509527621 (OP)
whew I was worried Jane Austen was going to be on that list
take THAT Charlie Kirk, you weird pretentious fag
American society is finallying healing

>>509527621 (OP)
>No Blood Meridian
Trashed.

>>509531912
Yeah I like that interpretation of the outhouse. How JH is sort of the devil incarnate/man's depraved desires and he took over at the end.

>>509531912
I also think mr beast exists in a similar space fwiw

>>509531018
WE'RE WHALERS ON THE MOON

>>509532055
My interpretation was the girl was hiding in there. Being embraced by the judge was metaphorical

>>509527621 (OP)
lovecraft cant possibly be the most amazing american writer because he literally copied lord dunsany for the basis of all his work. he was so obsessed with dunsany he became him. disingenuous, but he was self admitting of this.

>>509532079
Kek

>>509531680
I talked about the only worthwhile words McCorthy has ever written in his entire Hollywood scriptwriter life. I also mentioned the Bussy character, by its name. The tranny character is actually named Bussy. And it is spelled out seriously.
The Hollywood version of Blood Meridian is sure to come. Sure to come.
They will probably cast Samuel L. Jackson as the clownish comedic break villain because Americans think this Samuel guy looks bad ass when the whole world thinks he would perform better in the role of a ridiculous destitute beggar for pennies on some street corner
>Sounds like you need to beaten, it's probably the only language you understand
The average Brazilian male eats you for breakfast. Get a fuckin grip

>>509527621 (OP)
john dos passos fucking sucks. how does he keep getting shoehorned into the conversation

>>509531803
Is there any good modern writers? In any country? Only guy I could think of that is big in America would be John Green

>>509531803
As child I enjoyed reading british whosdoneit's the most outside of encyclopedias, agatha christie (hercule poirot the waffle nigger) and edgar wallace ( the mixer)

>>509527621 (OP)
>Lovecraft translates to other cultures across the world and invented an entire genre.
and lovecraft didnt invent shit. he copied dunsany, who also borrowed from eastern cultures

>>509531803
But you do. Melville.

>>509531803
Wait HP Lovecraft is a good contender to take on Russian novelists. Also if we bring poetry in the mix I think we have the world beat at least there.

Youre all pretentious faggots.
>muh Classic Novel
Fiction sucks, first of all, second, you are biased from their fame when you read Muh Classics (that Jews chose to call Classics).

Shakespeare is the best example. Modern English speakers can't even understand that language, but they make you read it and pretend to like it as a Good Goy conformity test

>>509532254
you discounting the transformation and streamlining is unbecoming, hater

>>509532130
It's been a while since I read it, but it's not entirely clear I recall how much time has elapsed between TK entering the outhouse and the "discovery". So maybe it the girl was already in there, or maybe not. I take what you mean about the metaphor certainly.

Why no Grapes of Wrath?

>>509532352
you're a retard. kill yourself

>>509532478
spiritual pajeet

>>509527621 (OP)
>No Lovecraft
>No Jack London
Into the trash it goes

>>509527621 (OP)
Lovecraft has great prose, but simplistic stories.

Pic related is the real goat. Literally the entire genre of poetry is named after him. Europeans have nothing equivalent

Moby Dick is the greatest American novel.

>>509532573
effete emo trash, existing hurt

>>509532573
Lord Byron mogs Poe

>>509532573
Forgot about that fucker

>>509528520
>Lovecraft never wrote a novel and couldn't write dialogue.
Only women and faggot care about dialogue. And novels are what happen when jews use way too many words to convey fundamentally simple things.

>>509528831
Lovecraft did not write any masterpieces. He has amazing wordplay, but the story itself has always left something to be desired.

>>509532544
https://hplovecraft.hu/index.php?page=library_etexts&id=511&lang=angol
>Dunsany is like nobody else. Wilde is his nearest congener, and there are points of kinship to Poe, De Quincey, Maeterlinck, and Yeats; but all comparisons are futile. His peculiar combination of matter and manner is unique in its imperious genius. He is not perfect, or not always perfect, but who indeed is continually so? Critics complain that he sometimes mixes satire with the atmosphere of tragedy; but this objection is a conventional one, and argues an unfamiliarity with the Irish tradition which has produced such perversely immortal classics as James Stephens’ „Crock of Gold”. They cavil, too at his introduction of walking stone gods and hideous Hindoo idols on the stage; but this cavilling is pitifully blind in its interpretation of apocalyptic visions in terms of theatrical mechanics. Any criticism by the present writer would be of the nature of a plea; urging a less complete metamorphosis of the old myth-making Dunsany into the newer and more sparklingly satirical Dunsany. A reincarnated Sheridan is precious indeed, but the Dunsany of „A Dreamer’s Tales” is a wonder twice as precious because it cannot be duplicated or even approached. It is a wonder which has restored to us our childhood’s dreams, as far as such things can ever be restored; and that is the most blessed happening which the earth may know.
>At 7:00 a party consisting of Miss H., her aunt, young Lee, & L. Theobald set out for the great event. Arriving early at the Copley-Plaza, we obtained front seats; so that during the address I sat directly opposite the speaker, not ten feet from him. Dunsany entered late, accompanied & introduced by Prof. George Baker of Harvard. […]

[146] Egged on by her aunt, Miss Hamlet almost mustered up courage enough to ask for an autograph, but weakened at the last moment. Of this more anon. For mine own part, I did not seek a signature; for I detest fawning upon the great. […

>>509527621 (OP)
mark twain likes to write the word nigger a lot so he's my choice.

>>509532779
he created an entire new genre, he is underrated for politics
should be celebrated similar to wagner

>>509527621 (OP)
None of the American books are good

>>509532868
>>509532779
again, you don't know your literary history. Lovecraft did not create anything. He even self-admitted this in his letters, saying he had 'poe pieces' and 'dunsany pieces', but no 'lovecraft pieces'.

>>509532933
he was wrong

>>509527926
mythos>novel

>>509532868
The genre sucks though
>Le monster is undescribable
Is basically all the genre boils down to and nobody ever did it as well as Lovecraft did

>>509528146
baist

>>509527621 (OP)
I blame Ishmael.

>>509532995
it sucks when it is not played straight and brutal

>>509532981
>HP LOVECRAFT CREATED THE SPOOKY 2DEEP4ME COSMIC HORROR HE CREATED IT HE CREATED IT HE CREATI--AAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKK

https://sacred-texts.com/neu/dun/swld/swld09.htm

I just finished reading blood meridian for the first time an hour ago so this thread is kind of surreal. I hadn’t considered the girl being in the outhouse. It was an incredible story. Any anons want to weigh in on the epilogue? Seemed absolutely beyond understanding and I don’t care what Reddit thinks

>>509528872
I've come to the (perhaps tiresome) view that it is largely finished.

For me its Thoreau

>>509532933
He was humble

>>509533101
calm your autism, you think that if an author drew from somebody else in a better
and more coherent narrative way then they deserve to be listed? no way

>>509527621 (OP)
>see list
If Hispanics are the gods of Literature, anglos are the pajeets if writing... because their best is shit.

>>509533100
Lovecraft did not invent nihilism. He did not invent the idea that humans are small. And he did not invent the idea that there are beings out there which we cannot fathom with our logic

The "lovecraftian" genre is really nothing more than a vibe, and at best just a fandom

>>509528831
Moby-Dick is a fucking masterpiece, a richly-written epic about man's futile defiance of the divine. Ahab is one of the most extraordinary characters ever conceived. No other novel has so successfully fused the Shakespearean and the Biblical.

>>509531912
>I think it’s possible the judge did the other ones.
Nope. The Judge is explicitly noted to have tiny hands, meaning he couldn't have strangled the child. The Kid did it.

for me, it's Adolf Hitler

>>509533356
now put them together, now codify them, now build archetypes out of them
van gogh didn't invent blue, he didn't invent canvas, he didn't invent ears, he didn't invent yellow

>>509527621 (OP)
who the fuck is john dos passos. sounds like a mexican. and never heard of willa catha either. sounds like a lesbian. also where the fuck is hemingway on this list. or pkd. utter bullshit

>>509528096
>chinese churning them out in bulk right now
Source?

>>509527621 (OP)
Kind of agree. I can't think of another author that managed to create such a vast unified mythology as he did.
In that regard he is without peer.
But there are so many other American writers that wrote better.

Edgar Allan Poe
Isaac Asimov
Philip K Dick
Heinlein
Clarke etc

While I love Lovecraft's stories, I think my personal nomination absolute best American writer of all time would have to go to Ray Bradbury, bar none.

>>509533473
>>509533279
>>509533303
delusional retards. lovecraft was a fraud. read some real kino like pegana and stop riding that poor retard's dick

>>509533396
thats what americans pretend so they think they got a masterpiece on their own, moby dick is a sci fi story about whaling and the american whaling industry

>>509527621 (OP)
this dumb turk thinks moby dick is sci fi lmao
hp lovecraft is based for naming his cat Niggerman but let's be real nothing he wrote is above Stephen King tier.

>>509528559
Stoner is great. Vollmann if you really read.

>>509533539
Oh also forgot Robert E Howard, Conan stories kick so much ass.

>>509533420
The entire showdown in the desert is fuckin kino

I read "The Hobbit" recently and it's easily one of the best books I've ever read.

>>509533538
deepsea embers
lord of the mysteries
are the two I remember of the top of my hat not genre purist,
this manhua "Lovecraftian Plague Doctor" was nice

>>509527621 (OP)
i like pound

>>509533689
And American as Apple Pie

>>509531227
>Arthur Machen
great but sadly not a burgermutt

>>509527621 (OP)
What is the best Lovecraft tale and why is it The Rats In The Walls?

>>509533689
Amazing how it's so easy to read. I remember as a kid I was absolutely absorbed by the riddle battle between bilbo vs gollum. Then when I tried to read LOTR I just couldn't make it through the pages. It surprised me how difficult it was seeing as I easily read through Harry Potter

>>509533232
Walden's one of my favorites.

I share the same birthday as him, dimebag Darrell, and Fred Durst Aug 20th

>>509533902
it's one of the few that are real horror. That vision of inbred degenerate slave beings in pens goes hard.

>>509527621 (OP)
Top 3 are overrated high school kid trash, steinbeck is gay, so is scarlet letter. Rest I never heard of. Shit list

>>509533562
Moby Dick is a prophecy about the fate of America.

An insane quasi-Jew leads a multicultural crew on a quest to destroy Whiteness itself and everyone dies and the ship of state is destroyed.

>>509534016
>The Hobbit
>Harry Potter
>I just couldn't make it through LOTR
These are the people you are discussing literature with

Lovecraft is anoncore for sure, and I respect that, but great literature? lol

>>509527621 (OP).

Come on guys, Guillever's Travels, the one promoting White colonializing places and stuff was cool.

>>509534321
yes, it will stand the test of time

Tbhaitch I prefer Lovecraft's short stories to his longer form ones.

The one about the coffin maker getting locked in the body storage shed was brilliant

>>509527621 (OP)
raymond chandler

>>509532933
> saying he had 'poe pieces' and 'dunsany pieces', but no 'lovecraft pieces'.
Why would he describe his own work as a lovecraft piece? That goes without saying, everything he wrote was a lovecraft piece lol

>>509527754
Bro have you ever read it?
Captain ahab was fitted up with a full bionic skeleton, healing implants, infrared and x-ray vision
Seriously though somebody needs to write a cyberpunk moby dick that shit would be nuts

>>509534234
Kek, underrated

>>509534234
big brain on this anon. It all fits

>>509533539
Cordwainer Smith (aka Paul Linebarger) is the great American science fiction writer, mainly connected short stories spanning millennia. Scanners Live In Vain, The Lady Who Sailed The Soul, A Game of Rat and Dragon, the list goes on and on. Just so much more interesting really and so much more beautifully written than anything the "big three" could ever manage too. And yes, Rick Priestley did nick some ideas about the imperium of man, the horrors lurking in the "up and out" and so on. Also it has catgirl escorts in it later in the timeline ("The Ballad of Lost C'Mell" which despite how it sounds its actually beautiful).
In his non-fiction career he (literally) wrote the book on psychological warfare for the CIA ("Psychological Warfare" by Paul M. A. Linebarger).
Get a collected short stories, you won't regret it.

>>509533101
Dunsaney and Lovecraft's Dunsaney inspired works are completely different to the works that inspired the term Lovecraftian.
They are much closer to generic fantasy instead.

>>509527621 (OP)
>Lovecraft translates to other cultures across the world and invented an entire genre.
When I read some of his collected works I was absolutely shocked at Color Out Of Space.
That's sci fi horror from 1927.
The man was WAY ahead of his time.
He wrote X Files type stuff almost 100 years before the show.

>>509530429
Antarctica wasn't explored back then.
Imagine reading "At the Mountains of Madness".
I bet a lot of people lost their sleep.

But my favorite ones are the Dream stories.

Lovecraft is a league above anyone else.
Pure genius.

>>509534616
Mieville has an approximation of that in Railsea. Didn't like it that much, though. Interesting setting but the plot never really hooked me

>>509533186
i just have this feeling that the final cliffhanger was going to be wholly subverted and it was supposed to end on an even more disappointing and unsatisfactory note. rather than the current ending giving you the feeling of "something was about to happen and we'll never know" it feels like an ending of "wtf nothing was ever happening at all" seems more fitting, but im no expert.

>>509534234
good shit

>>509527621 (OP)
>HP Lovecraft is the greatest american writer
unassailable fact

Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!

This single passage is probably the best encapsulation of how I feel about the modern world.

>>509534234
whyatt stagg, the whale is the white man and european civilization
>>509534616
whaling was cutting edge technology at the time, it fueled american society
>>509531113

>>509528831
Moby Dick is about living in a multicultural economic zone run by obsessed zealots with too much power. That's America, Fritz. Captain Ahab is basically a billionaire captain of industry who will destroy everyone because of a self destructive obsession. Mother nature doesn't give a fuck about cry-baby tyrants. Leviathan will smash them to bits anyway. It's probably more relevant now than it has ever been.

>>509528520
>Lovecraft never wrote a novel
"At the Mountains of Madness" and "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward", idiot.

>>509534951
what in 500 years will a chinese or indian man see reading the great gatsby

lovecraft will stand alone, an american beowolf

>>509527621 (OP)
Lovecraft is cringe. You just like him for his autistic/pol/ tier bigotry. Thats good for a laugh but thats it.

>>509528680
>and where the fuck is 'infinite jest' absolute philistines
addiction, entertainment and tennis. and lots of suicide.

>>509535081
sorry no that is not why

>>509531013
R.I.P. Two-Gun Bob, he was a real 1

>>509532779
nah your post did

>>509533694
Modern Chink literature is the most god awful slop ever put to page. Just like their movies.

>>509534309
I was 9-10

>>509535146
Yes anon. You only like and know him from meme quotes about niggers and jeets you've seen on /pol/.

>>509527621 (OP)
I really think Cormac McCarthy deserves to be considered in the conversation

>>509534544
The Big Sleep is 100x more enjoyable than Gatsby (and Chandler's writing is actually memorable). Legitimately hated that book.

>>509532837
prepare to get bluepilled

>>509527621 (OP)
Of course he's a great American writer
That's why they made the "World Fantasy Award" literally a bust of him
Then they replaced it because he said the nigger no no and all his works must be erased
And by erased his name has to be dragged through the mud 24/7 while they cash in on his ip
Modern America really does their legacy artists dirty

>>509533279
the whitest trait there is

>>509535255
wrong, they are slop but made for human consuption US media is made for the polit bureau

Clarke, Heinlein and Asimov

Take THAT!

>>509535055
In 500 years chinks wont exist and poos will still be the lowlife trash they are today. Who gives a shit what they think. Neither race can create or even truly think.

>>509533902
For me it's The Dream Quest of Unknown Kaddath, for the cats that fly him off the moon. Also it was cool for Pickman to show up as a ghoul and have Carter's back like that.

>>509527621 (OP)

Love craft is reat if you can wrap you mind around supernatural fantasy and gothic horror.
The anthology called The Dunwich Horror and Others (edited by Derleth) is probably the best collection of his stories, they get progressively longer and weirder as you read through the book, till you wind full into the Cthulhu Mythos

>>509535399
Nigger you argument is that lovecrafts cringe horror appeals to nonwhite subhumans so it must be good.

>>509535483
You really think indians will outlast the Chinese?

>>509535483
change the examples around you get my point

>>509535055
to say nothing of his letters, most of which would drive anons mad with their blinding basedness

>>509535552
they'll probably rape the chinese like everyone else did

>>509533902
>why is it The Rats In The Walls
Cuz Niggerman makes a cameo in the story

>>509527926

Moby was ignored or 50 years after it was first published, didn't exactly set the world on fire.

>>509535552
Yes easily. Chinks are the fastest dying race on earth. For all their disgusting ways poos are still thriving. The true lovecraftian horror of real life is that the world is to be inherited by the lowest of races.

>There are blondes and blondes and it is almost a joke word nowadays. All blondes have their points, except perhaps the metallic ones who are as blond as a Zulu under the bleach and as to disposition as soft as a sidewalk. There is the small cute blonde who cheeps and twitters, and the big statuesque blonde who straight-arms you with an ice-blue glare. There is the blonde who gives you the up-from-under look and smells lovely and shimmers and hangs on your arm and is always very tired when you take her home. She makes that helpless gesture and has that goddamned headache and you would like to slug her except that you are glad you found out about the headache before you invested too much time and money and hope in her.
> - Raymond Chandler, The Long Goodbye

>>509535734
>>509535613
I feel like you guys are only saying this because China poses a threat moreso than India ever will.

>>509534234
>Moby Dick is a prophecy about the fate of America.
>An insane quasi-Jew leads a multicultural crew on a quest to destroy Whiteness itself and everyone dies and the ship of state is destroyed.

>>509535847
>China poses a threat
hahaha no

>>509534234
woah...

>>509535847
Im saying that because its an objective fact. China has one of the lowest birthrates on earth and is already one of the oldest populations. Indias population is still just barely above replacement level and its median age is over 10 years younger than china. The only threat china presents is in the mind of neocon boomers and the antiwhite malcontents of /pol/ who are always seeking a brown savior.

>>509527621 (OP)
Melville, Twain, Steinbeck, Falkner, etc., are much better than HPL. You are just a ignorant about literature things. Go to eat Sauerkraut, blondie!

>>509536216
what is better literature Beowulf or Shakespeare?

>>509536216
>Twain
Faggot. Him, and you for listing him. Also, he was a shit writer.

>>509534016
>Amazing how it's so easy to read
No joke. It just flows off the page, it's amazingly well written.

>>509535658

*for 50 years

>>509536349
Shakespeare never wrote literature, he wrote plays. Simply reading them does not have the intended effect so the two are incomparable.

>>509536124
So then Africans will also out compete the Chinese?

>>509527621 (OP)
HP was most based and probably my favorite, but not the BEST, he didnt really write a full novel, which is why I like him, but you gotta bust out at least 200 pages to be on that list

>>509527621 (OP)
>no faulkner
>no pynchon
>no kesey
>no hemingway
>most boring steinbeck

i agree with you on lovecraft but would suggest poe is better

this list reads like it was put together by AI based on Goodreads scores or something.

i feel like the second half of the 20th century is underrepresented on there also.

cool to see Dos Passos on it- feel like he's underrated- just got his America trilogy in the mail and I'm excited to read through it again now that i'm not in high school anymore

>>509527871
people hyperfixate on the whaling parts, never understood why.

>>509528520
he also overused adjectives in lieu of actually describing eldritch horrors. not trashing him at all, i'm a big fan, but i'd rather actually hear a description of the mind-melting alien gods and disturbing runes instead of just hearing how spooky they are.

>>509528657
based Jodorowsky enjoyer!!! hell yeah

>>509528680
was gonna say...no pynchon, no delillo, no DFW. like a 1990s high school freshman english curriculum, minus the elie wiesel

>>509528796
>Jack London a simpleton
that's rich, coming from a brazilian. Martin Eden is top tier Thomas Wolfe-core Americana, one of the best bildungsromans.

Sinclair Lewis, Thornton Wilder, William Vollman, Jack Kerouac, Kurt Vonnegut, Denis Johnson, Hunter S Thompson, JD Salinger, Edward Abbey all have books that are arguably worthy of being on that top 10 great american novel list ahead of Lovecraft.

>>509536788
Everyone will. The only group that might die out before chinks are the koreans. And even then maybe not because data from north korea is pretty sketchy.

>>509527621 (OP)
N-NIGGERMAN? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NIGGERMAN, SAVE HIM.

>>509527621 (OP)

I've read both "Crime and Punishment" and "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" so yeah, I'm pretty much an expert on literature

>>509536874
Book fags are among the dimmer psuedo-intellectuals. Take a "novel", remove the filler and condense it into the critical events/dialog and most wouldn't fill a 20 page comic book. Is reading the mundane back and forth between fictional characters really that enthralling for midwits?

>>509528887
Sure, unrealistic homosexual violence maybe

>>509537122
I dont think anyone with an attention span of a tik tok vid can be considered an intellectual.

>>509536874
>more words= more gooder
midwits actually believe this

>>509534616
>Mobius Dichotomy

>>509537122
Are you autistic? Genuine question. Yes, reading the exchanges between different characters has a value outside of the narrative itself. It's not just about the things that happen, it's about why and how it happened, and everything in between. You can sum up any story in just a few sentences, but it loses all of it, same way you can't put an image into words without losing something.

>>509537296

Nice strawman, genius.

>>509537122
i think you have a point, dickens for example is just words words words with no real substance. the ability to draw the line on where you leave things up to the reader's imagination and where you guide the reader's perception with "filler" is what seperates good writing from slop. both extremes are junk-food writing and the true art lies somewhere in the middle.

>>509527621 (OP)
greatest 20th century writers
* hp lovecraft, dream quest of unknown kadath
* harold covington, the brigade (or maybe hill of the ravens)
* kurt schlichter, crisis
greatest movies of all time
* 28 years later
* fight club
* batman dark knight rises
greatest vidya
* car thief 2013
* knights of the old republic ii: the sith lords
* skyrim

>>509527621 (OP)
Now try to read Gravity's Rainbow past chapter 3

>>509537711
skyrim isnt even in the top 4 of elder scrolls games in terms of writing.

>>509528855
>>no Poe
irrelevant, lovecraft is actually relevant
>>no Yates
who
>>no Vonnegut
irrelevant
>>no Kesey
no name

>>509537572
Idk, but I genuinely have a genius IQ.

I just don't have time for that shit. Read a Stephen King book once then swore off fiction. Especially after Bentley Little. It was fucking ridiculous reading fake people's meaningless banter until something important popped up among it.

Louis L'Amour is the only one I cared for because he could pace a book properly. Masterful pacing, but mostly westerns....

All of lovecrafts monsters are some combination of the jewnigger abomination along with all the lesser races ie non whites and the horror they create by merely existing and being themselves plus his based Niggerman.. he got shitcanned for writing abouts what really important in this world ie living in a shitskin free neighborhood preferably country all other authors are psuedo slop its entertainment and not profound or meaningful the bible lovecraft and manuals thats all you need the rest is entertainment

>>509535423
I actually like Van Vogt quite a bit.

I'm more of a Steinbeck guy myself, Hemingway is good as well.

>>509529171
right. atlas shrugged is science fiction

>>509527621 (OP)
It's Edgar Allan Poe.

Wow, that was hard

>>509529348
>Philip K Dick
no ones heard of
> Robert Heinlein
fag
>Frank Herbert
george lucas did it better
>Robert Jordan?
no ones heard of

>>509537830
>eats a soggy fast food french fry once
>thinks potatoes are a shit food and are wholly worthless
i mean i get it anon, but have you considered that maybe you just read a bad book?

>>509528974
Based

>>509530318
> qq i need spoonfeeding i am babby
>>509530906
so it seems.
so it seems.

>>509531013
> please waste my time with thousands of words
get chatgpt to

>>509538093
>Booze, specifically rum
Based.

>>509527621 (OP)
Phillip K Dick is best. Aldous Huxley also great

>>509527621 (OP)
>a 6th grade and above reading list from the 90s.
not a nigger or tranny on the list, this has to be fake

>>509527621 (OP)
moby dick is literally about the despair that can arise in the pursuit of the american dream. it's not sci-fi in any way. i agree it's shit though, that whole list is a pathetic joke. the only decent writers on it are twain and steinbeck. these books would hardly feature in the top 1000 if they were bong writers.

>>509537654
A Christmas carol really hit hard

>>509538554
>moby dick is literally about the despair that can arise in the pursuit of the american dream. it's not sci-fi in any way.
then explain the endless technical scientiifc chapters about whaling and the whaling industry that fueled america
at the time if it was not sci fi

>>509530766
BM is based, John Joel Glanton perfectly captures the essence of White Men at the time and the usage of words known only to those of that century was superb. The judge and his passage on war being a game was brilliant and the purity of the kid is enthralling. Did the slaughter of native Americans bother you? The sheer notion of a filibuster army going to weaker lands and having raids and parties?

>>509538628
his novellas are decent but his novels are paid-by-pagecount tripe imo. you can really tell when he was writing something for coin vs when he was writing from the heart.

>>509527621 (OP)
there is a /lit/ forum you know

>>509539025
lovecraft is underrated due to politics

>read lovecraft
>buy into the mystery completely
>get to the part where the monstrous truth of the story is revealed
>it's just inbred hicks again
Goddamn it
I wish he weren't so obsessed with eugenics

>>509528393
I think its fucking ridculous to put Mody Dick at nr1, HOWEVER the parts about whaling customs are the best segments, u r a fag

>>509539258
The monstrous truth is usually some eldritch horror, anon. The hicks are typically just the ones communing with it

>>509538758
>explain the endless technical scientiifc chapters
this is to highlight that despite technical ability, in the end, the pursuit of lofty goals usually comes down to force of will alone. do you have the right stuff? don't know whether i agree or even see the point of the metaphor but that's what melville means. he's just a mid writer with one good book, he's certainly no dickens but the mutts are mindbroken so much by the slightest success that they named a town after the loser. did you notice any towns in bongland named dickens or in france named hugo or in russia named tolstoy, no? that's how pathetic mutts are.

>>509537654
I can agree with this. Unless there's a moral or lesson from the overall story or the chapters respectively, I find it to be masturbation.

Same with movies and everything else; that's why people like T2 so much (the lesson that there is no fate but what you make for yourself, and how the whole story was geared towards driving that point with plenty of lessons to learn along the way and creative gimmicks like the phone call to Connor's foster parents were added creativity you wouldn't find elsewhere).

I know it sounds dumb, but comic books are more efficient than novels and do the same exact thing. They seem to appeal more to intelligent people than do long drawn out books that could have been condensed into a few pages with the same effect.


>>509538063
It's the concept that I object to. I just don't want to do it, as it's very inefficient. I just see it that way and can't see it any other way. Like an overly convoluted firearm design would be fucking absurd to me. Imagine taking something efficient and making it more complicated with no added functionality. That's reading most"novels".

>>509539591
His most popular stories yes but the less popular ones usually have hicks

>>509527621 (OP)
of those ten, the only one that belongs there is the scarlet letter

>>509539636
Sorry I mean it's only hicks all the way down, hicks breeding with hicks and becoming monsters

>>509528680
that book is terrible

>>509528657
proto pynchon
lil pinchy

>>509539598
I'll also add that I can come up with better stories in 5 seconds then what most of these dick heads making millions do. Especially Steven freaking King. God damn he's awful


I also struggled to get through a book without scrawling down about a thousand ideas for very unique stories from what I read.

>>509539724
dark tower is the only book I ever regret reading, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth after 20 years

>>509539636
Name three

>>509527621 (OP)
I read "moby dick" and "great gatsby" before I could appreciate them but I remember Invisible Man well, and it especially came into view when I learned about what it was. Over-educated fools, zoot suits, communists, you name it. It's like what Forrest Gump would ACTUALLY be if a moron got tangled up in all the important cultural events. I remember those books much better than slop trash so that's going for them too.

>>509531106
women hate him because of how much men love him. men autistically read his works and get into far deeper discussions /heated arguments than they ever get in their oprah book club. she shilled him constantly, so it was like bitches got the invite to the club but not to the back room or whatever

>>509527621 (OP)
You know who rarely gets mentioned in these conversations but is worth a read? Angernon Blackwood.

>>509539922
Ok off the top of my head I can only think of the Lurking Fear and Rats in the Walls but I'm sure there are others i'm forgetting

>>509532217
blood meridian will never be made into a movie. if it does it will be worse than mccarthy's other adoptions to film

>>509527621 (OP)
Arguably he has had a far larger effect on media and the culture of media than many of these authors listed there. Also his cat was named Niggerman and that deserves an award of its own.

>>509533554
show vegana

>>509540095
>>509539636
shadow out of innsmouth
colour out of space probably counts

>>509537811
i like kesey's work. i also like wolf's portrayal of him in EKAAT

>>509540147
Don't forget his poetry.

>>509537981
robert jordan was one of Hemingway's characters.
some faggot used it for his pen name, started making a better high fantasy story than a song of ice and fire, married his agent, and gave her too much creative control. you are probably most familiar with the abortion clinic dumpster that amazon put out "the wheel of time"

and where the hell is hemingway on the list?

>>509538474
nice reading comprehension, imbecile

I read those Robert Jordan novels those made sense to me

>>509527621 (OP)
No
>Steinbeck
>Hemmingway
>Faulkner

>>509527621 (OP)
>Moby dick
>sci-fi
Uh what?

>>509527754
It's about an aging DJ that goes on a cruise and shows his dick to people. Still don't know how that's sci-fi.

>>509529171
>His prose is too purple
You're actually brown.

>>509539598
i think that there are plenty of 4-koma manga that are essentially masturbation as well. they have no moral or lesson either, just slapstick humor. that's not to say they have no value at all, just no intellectual value. it's not wrong to enjoy things in moderation after all. In terms of comics being more efficient, that's true but i think that the very inclusion of visual elements removes some agency from the reader. more agency doesn't always equal better experience of course, but there are advantages to leaving things vague in ways that you cannot with drawings.

>>509528680
not even the best DFW book

>>509537830
>Read a Stephen King book once then swore off fiction
many such cases

>>509539641
Hawthorne is trash and you're a faggot for liking him.

>>509539922
>>509540095
>>509540211
>shadow out of innsmouth
the shadow over innsmouth and the colour out of space. also the Dunnwich Horror. backwoods New England was his jam. there was also the one in VT with the hick fighting the squid bugs with the brain jars. Whisperer in the Dark. damn Lovecraft was good.

>>509541233
thats a weird misspelling of steinbeck

>>509527621 (OP)
>Last of the Mohicans on the same list as Huck Finn
There have been daring people in the world who claimed that Fenimore Cooper could write English, but they are all dead now.

>>509541110
in mysteries for example, it's much harder to present unreliable narration and false information when it's in the form of a drawing wIthout the reader just feeling lied to by the author. the uncertainty of second-hand descriptions that pure writing allows is used to the benefits of the reader's experience in pure, well constructed mysteries with a good "trick" that is almost impossible to replicate with visual mediums.

>>509527621 (OP)
>the great gatsby
bye. you have to be so tragically low iq to think tgg is even close to being considered the top 10 of great American novels. its literally for people who's brain has not matured past 9th grade.
>mark twain
>no faulkner
trashest list ever

>>509541368
Either/or. Emily Dickenson had more balls than both of them. God I can't wait to make her into my robowaifu.

>>509541395
Even beside being a libtard proto-woke faggot, Twain was a shitty writer. He was genuinely funny, which gave him mass appeal. But his writing sucks and he's a fag.

>>509541550
10/10

>>509541550
based

>>509541110
>that's not to say they have no value at all, just no intellectual value

That's a damn good point. Everything mustn't be a masterpiece artwork. Fluff, filler and junk hits the spot sometimes.

>>509541110

>inclusion of visual elements removes some agency from the reader. more agency doesn't always equal better experience of course, but there are advantages to leaving things vague in ways that you cannot with drawings.

Another great point. They are incredibly useful in getting a concept or story out. Probably even a useful tool in writing a novel in that you can "story board" the novel and add the filler/dialog between to fill that novel out. Sometimes you want someone to see it exactly as you do, but then you must be a great artist as well. Problem with wroting os you know eveeyone ia going to "see" your characters and story etc. how they want, which in most peoples dim minds is negative. I'll also say that people who have highly intelligent and imaginative minds enough to visualize an author's works typically prefer their own stories and world built in their minds to those of others - so reading is scarce and selective

>>509541506
She's got a femchud face

>>509541945
Not to mention that movies have influenced people on how to "see" scenes in books.

>>509540350
sometimes a great notion would be close to top 10 for me

>>509528393
>muh 5-min attention span
>muh autistic need for consistency
>my simplistic disdain of complexity
>my desire to sound edgy instead of telling the truth...
You got 20 pages in and gave up.
t. well read

>>509528796
Grapes of Wrath bears mentioning

>>509542076
yeah. paul newman did a good job with it too

>>509529083
Poe's horror is ok. But if you can read the raven without being stirred, or Annabelle without weeping, you're an npc

>>509527621 (OP)
I fucking hate Steinbeck.

>>509532871
You're most artistic export was Olivia Newton-John. What books of note been written by Australians?

>>509542832
kek what about men without hats?

the greatest writer in american history is thomas jefferson. eat shit, masturbators

>>509535338
faulkner and fitzgerald are boring as shit. hot garbage - Hemingway, Twain and Steinbech are the american GOATs in terms of consistency of greatness. Like Dickens

>>509536446
apparently, cleverness goes unobserved by you. Twain made stories about human nature quite well, in the most humorous ways.

>>509537830
> muh genius
> read stephan "jew formula" king
> me no like books

>>509527621 (OP)
East of eden is truly exceptional

>>509527621 (OP)
>>509527871
If I wanted to train an AI to mimic any famous author, Lovecraft would be, by far, the easiest to duplicate and you dumbass fanboys would never know the difference. With Melville this would be utterly impossible.

>>509528872
Pale king is amazing agree

>>509528719
>Anyone who thinks Gatsby is good is a certified psued
Based. Gatsby sucked.