why did usa lose in afghanistan?

>>509539380 (OP)
mountains my nigga. the same reason why you can't beat commie kurds

Mountains made it difficult to occupy land with boots on the ground.
The country is quite big.
The population was against the occupation, meaning they would have needed either a genocide or a cultural genocide to win.
It became a massive money sink for virtually no gains.

We didn't. We created and actively fund the Taliban

>>509539380 (OP)
You don’t think the USA could genocide the entire population of Afghanistan?

>>509539380 (OP)
define "lose".

>>509539380 (OP)
>why did usa lose in afghanistan?
You had to move a division 20 miles to fight one cave nigger. Then repeat.

Cost too much, so they fought slow to continue the grift for 2 decades and spread it out over time so it wouldn't scare the goyim paying taxes.

>>509539380 (OP)
we won, talibros will help us kill iranian shitskins in ww3

>>509539380 (OP)
The USA won. Both in Vietnam, and in Afghanistan. The US always wins. You're seeing bombings and soldiers, the military complex win all day. The citizens are eating shit, but the military complex, the real US, is winning hard. They have infinite funding, trillions lost in an instant, many country leaders play along on a controlled field. That's a win.

>>509539380 (OP)
Real life doesn't work like a Total War game.

The Afghanis wanted one thing and one thing only: their country, how they wanted it. They were willing to fight for damn-near 30 years - literally a generational war - to get it.

All we wanted was to decimate the Taliban/Mujahideen's ability to strike at the US and our allies. We succeeded in that and the leadership in Kabul learned a valuable lesson: if you do any ignorant shit, we'll wipe the floor with you and occupy you until you get a case of Act Right.

Basically we got what we wanted. Colonialism isn't getting revived in the 21st century, anon. There's no incentive to like there was in the past.

The retreat from Afghanistan was a shameful shit-fire that's true. But, really, we got what we wanted. The US just failed to properly communicate the mission and sold, "muh democracy" propaganda to normies because they think the same American population that was making high-brow political drama popular at the same time the war was going on can't handle a 45-minute powerpoint presentation explaining what the goal is and how this should pan out.

>>509539725
That's not the question.
>>509539777
The US wanted to get rid of the Talibans. Talibans are now ruling Afghanistan.
The objective was clear and it failed: a lost.

>>509539912
Actually huge.

controlling ownership over poppy fields and lithium mines. lmao yeah we lost

>>509539380 (OP)
everybody loses in afghanistan

>>509539380 (OP)
Everybody in this thread is hilariously wrong.
First:
Afghanistan was a NATO operation. NATO failed in Afghanistan.
Why did NATO fail in Aghanistan?
Because they assessed the new democratic regime and its military to be stable enough to defend itself without NATO boots in the ground.

NATO invaded Afghanistan and decisively defeated the Taliban. Within months, the population centers were secured. Within a few years, the mountains were cleared. The mountains beat the soviet union, but they were cleared out before most NATO countries even knew they were at war.
The Taliban fled to Pakistan and there they stayed. They attempted to reinvade the country several times but failed each time. Eventually, they just stopped.
3 years of Afghanistan saw combat. After that it was a policing and occupation mission for a decade. This was not costly or high-intensity occupation. The populace was largely indifferent to occupation--most of them had grievances with the Taliban and the rest were basically bribed with development money.
For those 10 years, nobody ever got any fucking action. At most, militants would sneak across the border in groups of 2 or 3 and try to car bomb a school or plant IEDs on the road. Getting shot at was so rare it earned you bragging rights, and largely the infiltrating groups would only shoot at you from outside firing range, to try and bait you towards an IED. There was no real combat and next to no cost beyond the salaries of the soldiers and the price of gas/maintenance.

So NATO started leaving, bit by bit. The US were last to leave because they had taken on the burden of arming and training the new Afghan state's military. Eventually they said "good enough," signed a ceasefire with the Taliban and left.

As soon as the ceasefire was signed, the Taliban reinvaded again, beat the new government and took power.

>>509539380 (OP)
Winning a war is irrelevant. What matters is the MIC getting paid. If glowniggers can run some drugs while they're there, all the better

>>509539380 (OP)
because it's their land

>>509539996
I didn't get anything. What did you get?

I had a dream last week US went into afganistan, again, it was a surprise and when it was announced most of the work of being there was done, some kind of a deal with those towell heads!

It wasn't a conventional military shit, but talks and process was ongoing and then it was announced, a deal, and people were talking and were surprised.

>>509539380 (OP)
boomer politicians thought it would be possible to turn Islamic anarchist tribes into a liberal democracy

>>509539380 (OP)
uhm uhm sweatypie get this: They just CHOSE not to win!

>>509539380 (OP)
We won, but then we could never leave because nature abhors a vacuum and no one was going to take responsibility for the region. The US was ultimately the victim of its own suicidal altruism when what we should have done was go in, fuck shit up, and leave.

>>509540571
>NATO
>Not US
Sane thing. Only time article 5 was triggered, it was in the absolute servitude and obedience to the US. NATO without the US is a doghouse without a dog. NATO operations are the US' personal cumrag, to use and discard as they please, to objectives only they care about

>>509539380 (OP)
we didn't lose, we did a strategic withdrawal because the mission was accomplished

>>509540571
If you want to ask, how did the Taliban reclaim Afghanistan, there's a few places to cast blame.

Pakistan's government backed the Taliban (despite being a US ally). NATO failed to realize this. When we left, the Taliban were being reformed and retrained with fresh Pakistani recruits and equipment the Pakis were smuggling in from Russia. NATO mistakenly assumed the Taliban would stay beaten but instead they turned into a proxy for a perfidious ally.

Our departure was premature, and everyone knew it. The decision to leave wasn't based on any real belief that the afghan government was ready or that we were no longer needed. It was a decision made at the sole behest of President Trump, with his executive authority, because he felt it would be politically beneficial. It was made against the recommendations of the JCS and all military intelligence and expertise. The evacuation of US troops was carried out under Biden but it was carried out under the provisions of a treaty Trump had signed, putting his successor in the unenviable position of committing perfidy or letting something extremely stupid play out.

And despite that, we utterly failed to form an effective Afghan military. We misjudged the character of the Afghan people and their appetite for freedom. At the end, they considerably outnumbered the Taliban with superior equipment and training. They were fighting not for America, who had left, but for the government they had elected, who was accountable only to themselves. And they chose not to fight. Their army had been essentially hollowed out from corruption and embezzlement and everyone hated each other so much they would rather inflict the Taliban on their neighbours than protect themselves from it. It's questionable if they could ever have been made into a functional army

We killed more of them than they killed of us. There a hundreds of thousands less Muslims in the world thanks to our might. That’s a win in my book

>>509539380 (OP)
Because they didn't just nuke all the muslims (and kikes) including you.

>>509541206
GWOT was based as fuck, 2.5 million dead pisslams and so many more from the civil wars and birth defects from all the D.U scattered all over the place lol

>>509539912
The Taliban siding with us is in those doomsday prophesy posts.....

>>509539380 (OP)
US won every battle in Afghanistan. Same as Vietnam. The problem is you can't actually conquer a nation that doesn't exist. There is no Afghanistan. Occupying their "capitol" for 20 years means nothing to tribes people in the mountains who never even heard the word Afghanistan before and didn't know they were a part of it. Historically no one ever actually conquered every part of a nation, they just went to the capitol and on paper owned the nation. The citizens recognized this and everyone agreed it was conquered. When there are no citizens and no recognized nation, you by definition cannot conquer it.

>>509541498
Which ones?

>>509539380 (OP)
Too hard

>>509540013
>they wanted to get rid of the taliban but they couldn't because you can't kill an ideology that hides in a cave because it's scared of getting killed
fascinating observation, obviously whitebro.

>>509540868
uwu :3

>we won!!!
The US is far from the only force that took Kabul but couldn't enforce its influence beyond the city and surrounding areas. This shit happened with ancient Indian empires before Islam was even a thing.
the only times these lands were properly conquered was by the mongols

>>509539380 (OP)
No clear objective/too much cost

>>509539380 (OP)
because trump pulled out early
he learned his lesson after eric was born

>>509539380 (OP)
Same reason the United States has lost every war it ever fought, not in a movie. America even lost the civil war against it self and got niggers. The reason is simple, American's heart is not in it, it's more of a vicarious sort of thing.

>>509543972
The objective was to secure a fuck ton of opiates for big pharma, people act as if modern wars had anything to do with ideology and not this being mere pretext for corporate takeovers, resource influx and eliminating competition. You lost because the US serve kikes instead of God, and the taliban was with Allah ending the literal pedo narco government you installed

>>509546759
Huh, I just thought it was because they where stupid fucking faggot idiots more worried about promoting butt sex then military objectives.

>>509541139
That's a lot of words for go home faggot...

>>509541206
>We killed more of them than they killed of us. There a hundreds of thousands less Jews in the world thanks to our might. That’s a win in my book

>>509539568
Which is exactly why I am afraid of a ground invasion of Iran. Iran is mountainous, and it could easily turn into an Afghanistan 2, Electric Boogaloo

>>509547972
Don't forget to promote gay sex with more money then your combat pay.

Oh and your secret glocktives are to get dark money for the shadow government projects to attack the American civilization population.

Then when you get cancer from the depleted uranium lead.
Niggers we gave proactive diploma's to will kill you with malpractice after we milked your healthcare benefits dry or not you never know with niggers.

>>509539380 (OP)
https://youtu.be/Y1NZCgjqfVc

because the goal was not to win but to expand the borders of Israel.

in this sense, they did win, as millions of Mohammodeans were deported from the Israeli border States directly into the West, thus creating a "win-win" for the Jews at the hands of the United States military complex.

>>509539380 (OP)
>implying the goal was to win the war
you don't understand americans and their jew overlords. Afghanistan was a 20 year long cash cow for the US MIC paid for by US taxpayers.

>>509539380 (OP)
Because the goal was not to win, winning would have been easy. Simply going from village to village, slaughtering everyone including animals, plowing salt into the earth, and poisoning wells and sources of water. No the goal was to make money for defense contractors.

>>509539380 (OP)
We didn’t we inflicted 10x casualties we just lost the political will to keep fighting don’t be mistaken by the schizophrenic nature of a democracy with a military loss the US has never lose a military conflict only political conflicts abroad

>>509541522
Cope. You guys lose money many times. Vietnam, Afganistan and now Ukraine is still in the process. If Iran didn't agreed for ceasefire you will bleed MORE.

>>509550191
This we could have killed all the rag heads with a better roe. I killed so many of them bro. I still cry every night about it. I killed so many people bro

>>509547972
i think most of the american higher ups in the military is aware of this already. what i think is more likely to happen is USA does more airstrikes on facilities in iran like what just happened and slowly get sucked into defending israel from rocket attacks but also not wanting to fully commit to boots on the ground. just a slow drain of resources and munitions that the USA cant really justify or afford
>>509550191
>>509550281
>we didnt win because we were nice enough to not commit enough war crimes
if this is your terms for 'winning' then the conversation is irrelevant because at that point, just use nuclear weapons and get it over with, thats all you need to win a war right? faggot mutt logic

>>509539380 (OP)
the west really doesnt know how to fight religious wars

>>509539380 (OP)
I mean, there wasn't much to WIN. Weren't they just guarding poppy fields and covering up a bunch of boyrape? I'm no military strategist.

>>509551022
You will kill when your told to kill.

Insubordination will result in Me turning your world upside down into the darkest reaches of soul crushing hells abyss.
Am I understood?

>>509539380 (OP)
the afghanis were untrainable, thats the reason why canada withdrew in 14'. those goat fuckers were yellow.

>>509539380 (OP)
why dont you invade iran? its right next door, you can larp as the real romans for finally conquering persia, and you dont have to worry about 'humanitarian concerns' like israel or the US does, you can just wipe them out and nobody will say anything.
Its basically win/win all around, everyone is happy.

>>509547972
Unlike Afghanistan, Iran is a fairly "modern" country in that almost all of its people are centered in very specific large "modern" cities, and have been for quite some time. They largely don't know how to survive in the middle of nowhere like the Afghans do (I'll give them credit for that at the very least). Attacking Iran is more akin to attacking a first world country. Just a shittier version of one.

>>509551889
I hate democracy too retard imagine fighting in a desert coming home and having retards tell you you lost even though you killed ten fold it was clearly a political loss

>>509552027
I’ll kill toy this time anon

>>509552059
They where the most brazen fighters I have ever seen...

That given they where such stupid goat fuckers they would not train so much as target practice at a bottle before being front line soldiers.

>>509552346
So the ones we could get to train....
Dropped their guns and stripped all but built naked and ran away. When no one was barking orders.

We held everything then gave it back to them and they threw their boots and gun and ran away.

The dam fact is they accepted westernization they laid the global hommo on them thicker then gravy.

I am glad we lost.

Then (((they))) laid the global hommo on them thicker then gravy.

I am glad we lost.

>>509539380 (OP)
its impossible to "win" against an enemy who hides amongst their own civilian population

all you can do is establish a presence and dominate for a few years until you leave and they take it back. You cant eradicate (so, win) over them.

They all knew the sheikh was smuggling beer in soda boxes for wedding parties and they for the most part did not care.

Shlomo can never leave it the fuck alone.

>>509551889
>we didnt win because
Learn to read nigger. I was just pointing out how it would have gone down. And don’t try to complain about war crimes everyone does that shit.

>>509539380 (OP)
Because they turned gay in 20 years fighting them

>>509539912
Why

>>509553098
>its impossible to "win" against an enemy who hides amongst their own civilian population
No, it’s very possible. You just have to kill everyone.

>>509539380 (OP)
Mutts are born losers

>>509540013
or the objective was to embezzle money through mic and it was a great success

>>509539380 (OP)
Lose?

>>509539568
>>509539380 (OP)
its also the way usa fights its wars since ww2. Instead of just using all of the weapons at their disposal to completely buck break and annihilate their enemy they like to occupy the people and spread democracy. Did you know most of our heroin comes from Afghanistan? This was how they introduced the afghans to capitalism. Sell our kids your drugs.

The occupations also have a subtle outcome of creating resentment from those people against American citizens which leads to long drawn out culture wars which do end up affecting regular citizens. Eventually some of them end up in the west spreading their version of democracy which is racial in nature. Corrupting the youth and other stupid shit.

If you ask me just carpet bomb the fuckers and get it over with. Whats left is a righteous people. They would do it to us if they could

>>509539380 (OP)
What a wonderful, well thought out thread. Great job, OP.
Because they are fat and gay btw

>>509539380 (OP)
Refusal to conquer because "colonizing is bad" and USA is told to be anti-colonial and you know this. It's another half assed "yes we will go into a country to kick ass but the moment we do, we will pull back and stop and just leave"

>>509553098
>They were hiding in the mountains
>No, they were hiding among the civilians
>Hurr durr I'm coping hard

>>509553754
>Throws Agent Orange and napalm on villages
>Kills millions of civilians
>Loses
>Well we had our hands tied because we were spreading democracy instead of committing war crimes
Americans are such Jews

You CANNOT win against an asymmetrical insurgency if:

a.) The insurgency has popular public support

and

b.) Aren't willing to go "all the way" (i.e. killing anything bi-pedal that moves - civilian or otherwise)

Now stop asking this stupid question every day you 85-IQ having subhuman niggercattle RETARD.

>>509539380 (OP)
Did they? They have accomplished their main goal, killing Osama bin Laden. The rest of was unnecessary and they could have returned after that. Yeah they lost huge amount of money, but who cares. It is not real.

>>509541139
Trump negotiated a *conditional* withdrawal of Afghanistan. He didn't say "pull out no matter what by this exact date" the Afghanistan catastrophe was 100% on Biden but of course you already knew that you disingenuous fuckstick.

>>509539380 (OP)
during the bronze age the trojan war caused an economic downturn that halted the trade of bronze, combined with other factors lead to a refugee crisis, which wouldn't have destroyed the civilizations but for the mountain people in every nation which attacked with impunity and tore them apart, because mountain men are impossible to catch and contain
when rome conquered britannia they stopped at scotland because despite fighting with superior numbers the forces couldn't secure a win against the hit and run gorilla tactics, eventually hadrian just sealed them off behind a wall because maintain men are impossible to catch and contain

>>509554055
This is literally how the United States won against Britain. How Rome fell. Occupation never works. If you can not immediately win the culture war your only options are occupy with permanent martial law, or total genocide.

>>509539996
>All we wanted was to decimate the Taliban/Mujahideen's ability to strike at the US and our allies. We succeeded in that and the leadership in Kabul learned a valuable lesson: if you do any ignorant shit, we'll wipe the floor with you and occupy you until you get a case of Act Right.
>Basically we got what we wanted.
Why did it take 20 years? Couldn't we have spent a few months ruining shit the Taliban liked to have and then leaving? A punitive expedition, they used to call them.

>>509554703
That wouldn't have made as much money though.

>>509540013
>The US wanted to get rid of the Talibans
it was the sole reason they went there, not to establish democracy or some bullshit, bush speech at the start of the war was something like
"we will get every terrorist and the people that harbour them to justice or kill them"
here 25 years later the guys that harboured them are in power so yes, it was a masssive fail

>>509554560
the tl;dr is that there were no strategic objectives. The US went in, parked our boys in the dirt and effectively waited for terrorists to come IED them do they could shoot at them while trying to flip regimes to ones that would be willing to negotiate peacefully (never worked).
Think about it in terms of, I don't know, a game of tug of war. If all you do is apply enough force to maintain your current position until the other guy gives up. But the other guy is a total schizophrenic freak that doesn't care how much rope burn he gets, how much his hands bleed, or that he's been at the tug of war so long his wife already took the kids and divorced him, he just cares about winning the tug of war. Eventually you'll slip, fall, and lose even though you could have won if you'd just pushed his faggot face into the mud and rubbed it in until he either stops breathing or yields.

>>509541139
>Our departure was premature, and everyone knew it. The decision to leave wasn't based on any real belief that the afghan government was ready or that we were no longer needed. It was a decision made at the sole behest of President Trump, with his executive authority, because he felt it would be politically beneficial. It was made against the recommendations of the JCS and all military intelligence and expertise. The evacuation of US troops was carried out under Biden but it was carried out under the provisions of a treaty Trump had signed, putting his successor in the unenviable position of committing perfidy or letting something extremely stupid play out.
Biden (or rather his handlers) unilaterally changed the date of the withdrawal to 9/11 for shallow symbolic reasons to try to claim the deal as his own, insulting the leaders Trump had negotiated with as it made them look like lackeys there to take orders. To reassert their sense of authority to their peers and subordinates, they bascially switched sides. It was an unforced error by a corrupt and incompetant administration that refused to take any responsiblity for it.

>>509554203
You are totally mischaracterizing it because you watch to much propaganda. I think its interesting though that we have a problem with bombing shitskins in the desert but no problems whatsoever killing like 30 million german civilians by carpet bombing them. And yeah that included women and children.

>>509555094
It really is telling to me how much bleating and bloviating there is about killing non-whites vs whites. In fact look at the people seething that Trump bombed Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities, the same people seething he didn't get us embroiled in a hot war with Russia in Ukraine.