In 1945 they controlled half of europe, obviously all of Ukraine.
Ha, they already occupied Berlin briefly at the time of Frederick the great.
They just win territories and give them away, only to have another war later. Or disassemble themselves for no reason to then have another war of unification.

>>509557826 (OP)
>In 1945 Jews controlled half of europe, obviously all of Ukraine.
Fixed for you

History teaches us that empires built on overreach, not unity, collapse. Russia’s cycle of conquest and disintegration proves that without a stable, rooted folk and a just social order, no borders will hold. We reject imperial adventurism. National strength must rise from within — through solidarity, sovereignty, and the welfare of our people.

>>509557826 (OP)
In 1814 you could extend the border into Paris even. But all you're proving really is we have no intention to control Europeans outside of dismantling any military force aimed at destroying us.

Remember Putin proposed a DMZ from Lissabon to Urals? But EU refused?

>>509559296
All Imperial Russia really wanted was Constantinople and restoration of Eastern Rome. But the rest of Evropa kept on stabbing it in the back.

>>509557826 (OP)
It wasn't Russians running the show back then it was communist Jews preying on a war torn Europe to spread their retarded ideology. Stop writing revisionist history you meme flaggot kike.

>>509557826 (OP)
If a country was a girl which one would you have sex with

>>509559682
New idea make anime of the concert of Europe but as girls in HS.

>>509559392
In WWI England and France gave their approval that Russia can have the city and the straits if they're able to take it but it seems like they didn't really wanted it anyway because they fought ridiculously bad.

>>509559772
It just so happened right after Russia fell into civil war U.S joined in. Makes you wonder.

>>509559752
Okay but you didn't answer my question

>>509559854
Hmmmmmm, I'm gonna have to go with Estonia because they have the most beautiful women in my opinion.

>>509557826 (OP)
>They just win territories and give them away
that is not stupid; it's generous
and you should appreciate that

>>509559296
>No intention to control Europeans
No capability
All of your conquests exist because of European powers helping you.

>>509559296
EU is neoliberal imperialism on speed

>>509559918
Estonia would be cute
Denmark would be my pick

>>509557826 (OP)
Russia =/= the Soviet Union.

>>509559831
England tried as early as 1914 to get the usa on their side but the Americans neutrality was still a real thing there at this point.

>>509560117
Oh Danish girls are pretty to.

>>509560217
>Danish girls
ugly as my life

>>509560212
Yes so they had to make up an excuse to join in. At this point the the U.S and Britain were equals, I firmly believe this was a part of Britains great game.

>They just win territories and give them away, only to have another war later. Or disassemble themselves for no reason to then have another war of unification.
fun

>>509557826 (OP)

>>509557826 (OP)
If only Russia had something to offer to its neighbors other than misery and poverty, maybe Russian-formed political blocs and alliances wouldn't collapse so easily...

>>509559682
bestonia

>>509559296
Sounds like a shit deal to make with the the worst liar race in history. Only an idiot would take it. Hell, only an idiot would suggest it

>>509560258
Honestly land if your thinking of ugly check out Finnish girls. Yeah there blonde but fuck there faces look Mongol.

These dumb fuck 4chin autistic niggers really do think real life plays out like like their civilization games.

>>509560279
The US way stronger than the UK even then. The US joined the war because they weren't blind retards. They saw that without russia the entente needed a boost. Its the same reason that they day after france fell in 1940 the US began a peacetime draft and switched over to a semi wartime economy. They knew what they would half to do eventually.

>>509559682
Switzerland, she is the wealthy cowgirl doctor that would feed me healthy cheesy chocolate milk directly from the tap and then take me on skiing trip. I imagine her like Mercy from overwatch, if she was a minotaur monster girl.

>>509559296
Muh poor little stronk russia bullied again! Haha the russian delusions are the best.

>>509560405
And yet we could've just came in and easily ended the war. That war not only defeated Germany but Russia to.

>>509560355
>>509560442
Are you guys ever going to stop being 1 dimensional caricatures?

>>509557826 (OP)
>They just win territories and give them away
you try to occupy half of europe after losing 20 million people in a war

>>509560524
It's not funny to you because you lack understanding and live bumfuck nowhere and have no connection to these things. I guess the aussie equivalent would be abos claiming how they built modern Australia or something.

>>509560279
Usa was very Jewish with lots of power unlike Europe where our monarchs would put Jews in their place. Using civilian ships for ammunition transportation is a criminal act but the usa still did it because it would create nice propaganda when ebul Germans are attacking poor civilians.
Usa loves their ship stories and always used it to start wars for example Spanish and Vietnam war started both because muuh ships were supposedly attacked.
The real game changer was with the Arab uprising and England taking Palestine and promising world zionists to create a Jewish homeland in return for some specific favours.

>>509560355
>>509560442
Russians, jews, chinks. All the same. Insects whose culture only consists of lying and stealing.

>>509560490
WW1 destroyed every empire and manifested the US as the new hegemon.
Bismarcks Germany was dead, the Ottoman Empire entirely gone, France colonial era ended, UK empire started to crumble, Russia was totally exhausted and achieved nothing against both the germans and turks.
Freeing south-east Europe from the turks would eventually pay off after WW2 but at that point it was a total loss.

>>509560405
Stronger only in muuh GDP and industrial output.
You had almost no weapon manufacturer so no experience and your army was bad with bad soldiers fighting like African niggers who are given guns.
But industrial wars are fought with industrial might obviously while England with their empire had excellent logistics all around the world that together with American industry was unbeatable.

>>509559296
>>509559980
>In 1814 you could extend the border into Paris even
You really don't know your history, it was the English that broke Napoleon at Waterloo, not the Russians.

>>509560959
They believe they all alone fought and won against a united Europe under napoleon while napoleon never had real allies they all waited just for thenright moment to switch sides which they did.

>>509560959
Russians rewrite all history they are taught in schools. Basically always, russia stronk, russia benevolent, evil foreigners attack russia who dindu nuffin.

>>509560799
You know I also think that Germany could've kept the war going in WW1 but seeing Russia gone I feel like your country though that was good enough. At the time the Russians were having there civil war and Ukraine and Belarus was a thing making it seem like there absolutely no future possible threat from the East.

>>509561142
Give me an example.

>>509559296
>muscovite churkas won waterloo
Is this what the subhumans mongols are taught in schools? Lmfao

>>509561319
Every single one of these invasions was in self-defense, they are taught in schools.

>>509560959
The british were about to retreat before the prussian/russian coalition arrived and bailed their asses out.

>>509561321
In a way yea. >>509561515

>>509561452
I said pick one.

>>509557826 (OP)
USSR failed because the Russians were in charge. They fucked over everyone involved and nobody in Eurasia is going to let them be in charge of anything for a century to come anymore.

>>509561586
In russian schools they are taught that Finland was preparing to attack them in 1939 and they had no choice but to invade in self-defense.

>>509561142
Based

>>509561671
In Finnish we have a word that is like "to russia something" which means, to fuck something up royally.

>>509561737
So the fact that the Finnish border was only miles away from one of there biggest and most important cities isn't valid enough for you?

>>509561586
Ukraine 2022 u fucking nigger

>>509561223
While liberating east Europe took stress away from us making Ukraine a puppet sending us many many resources and food as compensation it was still not enough to compensate the British naval blockades.
Our navy was sent on pretty much suicide missions and revolted while the homefront went downwards more and more.
Our army was still decent and could fight but only as long as the homefront feeds it enough ammunition and food.
There was no real way to stabilise the homefront with Austria Hungary collapsing too we were all alone.
The only option would be to fight to the bitter end like in WWII but we didn't do that for good reasons.

>>509561846
Ukraine increased artillery attacks on the Rebels and we're actively trying break through the front lines. Next.

>>509561836
That Finland was never going to attack their much larger neighbor and just wanted to be left alone isn't something your brainwashed russian mind can comprehend?

>>509557826 (OP)
Those were good things, russians understood that its time to gtfo but americans didn't, dissasembling the USSR was also a good thing, the execution of the dissasembly was horrible though

>>509561907
This is a blatant lie

>>509561829
Classic Russian

>>509561949
Might make rights

>>509561932
That was happening.

>>509561908
Maybe your country shouldn't have been so greedy after being granted independence.

>>509557826 (OP)
Russians are not fucking stupid. The Russians had no intentions of conquering anyone at all. Never. You retarded shit will never understand Russians from the perspective of a bloodthirsty nafo faggot. You're going to have to change your mindset.

>>509561979
>russian talking about greed
You lie, rape and pillage, steal and murder. That has always been what russia does. Why are you surprised when nobody trusts you subhuman niggers?

>>509562049
This desu outsiders always wanted to keep Russia down as far as the Mongol yoke. The Teutonic knights tried to conquer Novgorod and failed then Lithuanians tried to keep Moscovy from being independent from the Golden Horde. Europe fucked the Byzantines the same way in 1204.

>>509561321
Nigga are you retarded? Russia beat Nappy once than occupied Paris. Redditbrainrottedniggasbelike

>>509557826 (OP)
No, it's just that breaking things is easier than making things. So Russia is good at war, but bad at economy. So they fight, occupy and conquer, and then they find themselves unable to actually do anything meaningful with all the occupied land, and then it starts to weigh down on them and it ends up with their country ruined.

>>509562085
Bla bla bla. I'm sorry anon but ever culture has its shared of senile mentally deranged psychopaths. Get that through your inbred finngolian skull.

>>509559682
I would have patriotic sex with Germany

>>509562049
Russia is a pretty big country with tons of other ethnicities for a 'people' who never wanted to annex and oppress anyone ever.
Schizophrenia is part of the Russian character

>>509561452
finniggers never mention that fact that they let lenin through their borders into russia

UHG!!! I am a bad and naughty boy because my taxes go to pay Zeliboba for cannon fodder services. But I am to cowardly to enlist to the Ukrainian army myself.

>>509557826 (OP)
They have no cultual power, no one wants to speak russian, look russian, live the russian way, not even russians.

Basically just draw a straight line down the map from east germany. Everything on the right belongs to russia. They're not european in any shape or form, they're dirty gypsies and slavic rats. They fucked up letting the US use business for political leverage in the EU to push eastwards (then the US has the gall to try and get out of paying to secure it), and fucked up letting all kinds of their ex shit holes join the EEA.

>>509562178
It's 4am in Ohio oblast. Why are you up at this hour sperging about rusniggeria goodboi who dindu nuffin? You russians are just like jews, always playing the eternal victim and blaming others for your niggerish behavior. You shouldn't be so greedy after Poland graciously granted you independence. You didn't even say thank you.

>>509562315
Bla bla bla Viborg is a nice commie lock comfy Russian city.

>>509560556
26 million
Do not diminish the achievements of my ancestors

26 million to spend another million today to hold ukraine today kek

>>509562276
Only niggers want to speak French

>>509562137
>This desu outsiders always wanted to keep Russia down as far as the Mongol yoke
Tranny mindset
take your meds

>>509562445
The achievement of your ancestors is to enslave and kill Europeans while moving jews safely to Israel.
Germans were good warriors but poor thinkers

>>509562491

>>509562315
Is Donald Trump a VPN Zigger from NYC oblast? Otherwise why would an American halt weapons shipments to Ukraine, Ukraine is incredibly important to every American.

>>509562276
This all applies to your country as well.
Your flag should be vehemently opposing globohomo after what your leaders have done to your country instead of sucking them off and clapping while Macron wastes your tax money to line his pockets and giving some to hohols. Same with germans, but they are beyond help at this point.

>>509557826 (OP)
I mean, you could make this argument for many western countries.

>>509557826 (OP)
In the 90s nobody knew that Ukraine would start killing its own ethnic Russian people, with protection by the Budapesht memorandum.

>>509562586
France is African nowadays because since centuries you believed your culture can tame the beasts.
Israel has majority former soviet Jews while the Jews under German control all went to the USA.
German thinking was right even we even warned you about your niggering but you wouldn't listen.

>>509561836
And Russian border was only miles away from strategic choke point defending Finland so it maybe its Russians who should shift their border hurr durr (two can play this game).

>>509562819
Yes but Finland is a rural shithole which has less people then St. Petersburg.

>>509559296
The reason Prussia was configured to fight fucking everyone is because they're smack dab in the middle of the continent. It's also why they were built to win decisive victories and why it was absolutely fucking over for them in Verdun/Somme and Stalingrad.

The reason Russia couldn't be in Paris is because Moscow is in the ass end of nowhere and so Russian doctrine couldn't take them much farther than Berlin/Vienna/Constantinople in theory.

>>509562752
>Spain
Their feminism problem makes much more sense now.

>>509562860
Just when you think russians can't get any dumber and more deluded. You don't even have a toilet in your shithole apartment.

>>509563006
I don't live in an apartment sweetie I own a house.

>>509561737
You were offered to exchange the land near Petersburg to gain 2x more lands in Karelia. You refused and screeched REEEEEE.

Moreover, your Finnish president said in Nazi Germany in 1937 "The enemy of Russia should always be the friend of Finland".

You were openly hostile to us and refused to make even a profitable for you trade. You have only yourself to blame for losing the entire generation and the second largest city.

>>509562752
We didn't need you French were really aware of the problem. You didn't warned us btw, you are refering to pieces of propaganda pounting the use of colonial troups which didn't left Germany.
France is the head of Europe, Europe fell when the head of our king fell. What came after are orchestrated wars giving more and more power to masons and jews in Europe.

>>509560959
>it didn't happen
>we didn't want it anyway

hon hon

>>509562610
>anno 1380 posting
You are mentally ill. Please seek help.

>>509562085
Did you forget that you built concentration death camps few years before Germany, herki?

>>509563220
Go look at fag porn you defensive tr00n.

>>509563227
you will believe anything your bosses tell you.
you will eat their shit and smile at us with it between your teeth.
you are the most pathethic people on this planet. slaves.

>>509562860
St Petersburg is pidor city founded by liberal faggot. Russia don't need it anyway, Lenin admitted it himself moving capital to Moscow.

>>509563258
Please seek help anon.
You are randomly marking JPGs of random historical battles.
You are mentally ill.

>>509563158
LOL, French looked like niggers even in 19th century.

>>509563281
> memeflag reee when the reality is mentioned

Wow, that's a proper finn anger.

>>509563039
>surrender you defensive lines In exchange of forest in nowhere
Literally that pic >>509561949

>>509563303
It's trve tho you thurdbrain.

>>509563297
It's a very important Baltic sea port for Russia. Your just malding because subhumans Finns can't have it.

>>509563227
Putting prisoners of war in camps is common practice Igor

>>509563456
Hohol, why are you not in the trench fighting Russia? Europe and the Ukraine are in danger.

Get your shit together and go die for the kike.

is not it hilarious how every single country that were under iron courtain was pretty much ethnically intact till the point they decided to join western block? i mean there must be SOME noticing here? right?

>>509563464
Cool, you are still mentally ill and schizophrenically seeing connections! Get help!
>>509563434
Go and cum inside your wife, so that she can birth cannon fodder, so your son dies for your master :)

>>509563039
Liar. You russians lie like you breathe. That is why nobody trusts you.

You demanded that we surrender land to you so you can build military bases there to prepare for conquest just like you did with Baltics. You were openly hostile to us and refused to leave you alone. Now your shithole is collapsing and you have only yourselves to blame. You literally can't stop behaving like violent niggers.

>>509563569
Not when you put civilians there and start murdering them way before Nazi Germany started doing this.

To think, your entire culture is based on having the eternal hatred to Russians. Without us, there is no Finland, no Finns, no Finnish culture.

>>509563695
Yawn. More jewish lies. Just stop it with the vranyo. We actually don't think of you at all. You are an insignificant weak insect. Once Monke dies and russia collapses your people will be begging to join Finland.

>>509563158
>we took part in the Coalition parade in Paris!
>WE OCCUPIED PARIS
fukken ruschink retards kek
and we Poles razed Smoleńsk to the ground in 1812

>>509563693
> butthurt nooo yoouuu
Wow, it was fast even for a screeching finn. Shows very well why you're such non negotiable retards who wanted only to murder people in the death concentration camps.

Thanks for Viborg though. If it wasn't your finnish stubborn retardation, this city wouldn't have been Russian.

>>509560646
>>509563693
It's funny how propagandized swamp rurals are in believing your bunch has any sort of special understanding on anything just because they're allowed EU-approved hate hours, only to break down in a psychosis at slight opposition to your dogmas.

>>509563695
When was that, during the civil war or something when communists were killing tens of millions of people right next door? I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, if its the civil war then yeah communists got brutally killed because they started killing first and made a coup in this country
>your entire culture is based on having the eternal hatred to Russians
Personally I dont hate the russians at all, but you do have several delusions about history that should be corrected

>>509563636
Kys faggot.

>>509563782
>LIIIIEEESS WHY DIDNT MURDER CIVILLIANS IN THE DEATH CONCENTRATION CAMP WAY BEFORE NAZIS

Lol, you have a spot for this.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE-%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0

You're one little lying finnish nazi)

>>509563791
>part of a coalition in 1814
>that didn't exist even in 1813 before Russians liberated the ungrateful dogs

Kek
cry about it in your national anthem pshek

>>509563889
>When was that, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about
The absolute state of finnish education.

You are a retard who doesn't know his own history. Or just a little lying finn playing innocent.

>>509563898
triggered, schizo?
I recommend Haloperidol.
You are opening random screenshots in paint and argue with ghosts.
and this is what shills for these genetically damaged snowniggers LMAO

So why doubt their intentions?

>>509563853
>>509564035
Hello ruskis
this will be your son
thats the prize for eating the czars shit

>>509557826 (OP)
>In 1945
>Stalin: "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war ....The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
>Khrushchev: "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,"
>Zhukov: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."

>>509564207
>the butthurt belt cope gore

Lol.

>>509564122
Checked, I genuinely have no idea what you mean, I do know about the USSR genociding the ingrian finns for zero reason tho

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_the_Ingrian_Finns

Hundreds of thousands of people, nothing even close to that happened to russians in Finland

>>509563496
How port would help land super power in the and war?
Baltic fleet was enormous embracement in WWII. 2 (two) finish minesweepers completely paralyzed Baltic fleet and its remains after death march fleeing his in Leningrad all war doing nothing.
Russians shouldn't play with ships, they are natural born landlubbers they don't know how.

>>509560310
You're talking like a woman

>>509557826 (OP)
Track my family all the way to russia before africa because africa is a country
and we love eating yt boys like you in afrikkka
we are the true slavs we are the true eastern european
we are the negroid out in full force with our 10 footers slung over our shoulders impregnating every woman that looks at it
the sight has them on their knees shaking with pleasure
You see the slav negroid cock has psychokinesis we can make women orgasm without contact time and time again since we so skilled with our two brains one in the glans and one in the scrotum
soon your wife too will feel the power of the negroid slav and all of his melanated power.

>>509564207
tooltime bros... not like this..

>>509564269
genuine question tho no trolling
do you all faggots learn history from wikipedia
do you seriously quote it as reliable source
i mean you do know ANYONE can edit that shit right?
again not saying you are right or wrong, just, do you really?

>>509564269
Genocide flows in Russian Mongol spirit infused blood. They don't consider it something worth noticing.

>>509564257
>Education completely in shambles, have to spend money on chinese motorbikes instead (that will be ridden by your sons)
lol
lmao
rofl

>>509557826 (OP)
>give them away,
russia "gives" only when forced with superior strenght.
they fucked off from germany cos USA had the nooks working and battle tested while they do not

>>509557826 (OP)
getzel, gaza wont liberate itself. fuck off be useful.

>>509564269
>Checked, I genuinely have no idea what you mean
Then you should grasp the idea and start asking questions why your poor little innocent Finland first in history even before nazis built concentration death camps where put civilians, including children, and murdered them en masse.

And you can continue researching why the Finnish president in 1937 was shilling with nazis on how Finland is the friend of Nazi Germany.

>>509564324
You can follow sources and check story themselves.
Wikipedia is not a proof but a table of contents
You should be retard if you don't understand that

>>509563958
>russian wikipedia
Lol. You niggers will be grateful when we liberate moscow and finally end the russian muslim terrorist menace once and for all. In the meanwhile keep seething and lying like a jewish rat.

>>509564443
wikipedia is a massive propaganda machine and NOTHING from it should be taken as a fact including sources, too bad you are a faggot and use literal jewish site as your source of information, sad

>>509557826 (OP)
>>509559296
Quite frankly, there might have been Russian troops over there but you never controlled it. Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, other Balkan nations, were on the winning side and very independent entities from Soviet Union. Even Berlin, Ukraine, and Romania, while far more Cucked, still had quite some sovereignty. Poland is a mystery for me since they were on the winning side and still they lost

Finally, Russia lost their Iron Curtain in order to trade with the West and that made a few Russian’s Jews super rich. It was Russia itself to dismantle the Soviet Union, not NATO

>>509564460
How is Hitler and the great Germany, hans?

>>509564297
It's in their identity. Keep in mind these interim countries (Poland, Czechia, Baltics...) have never been sovereign. They had independence at certain times for sure, but it was always enforced from outside forces like with the HRE in Czechia.

Take a look at Polish' national anthem - white man Napoleon save us. Now they do the same with article 5, a new holy cow emerged. They have no concept of building something by themselves for themselves without someone else's approval.

>>509563158
You could have let the carps alone tho."For example, the Cossacks caught and ate all the carp in the Fontainebleau lake. These enormous carp, some measuring 1.50 m, had been breed since the 16th century and were the pride of the town."

>>509564514
>there might have been Russian troops over there
Lmao

>>509564324
It does list sources both russian and finnish ones, its not even a debated topic, its not a politically charged issue at all that there would need to be some type of agenda involved to misrepresent the facts, everyone knows what happened because there were no secrets made about it at the time, its not like you can hide hundreds of thousands of people going missing

>>509564583
Mill yourself you fucking nafri shitskin.

>>509564583
they did pay for the champagne though

>>509564583
*kill

>>509564439
Tell me where those concentration camps were first and when tho, like I said I have never heard of them?
>Finnish president in 1937 was shilling with nazis on how Finland is the friend of Nazi Germany.
Gigabased

>>509564552
Lmao this retard. You are literally controlled by jews and zog and have been since the days of the soviet unions creation, you dont know shit, youre a brainwashed subhuman, a good goy, a useful idiot.

>>509559296
lmao you couldn't do shit. you lost every single significant battle against frogs only. euros cared about balance of powers there. what makes you think Anglos wouldn't utterly buckbreak for breaking it had you tried chewing more than you could fit in your mouth.

>>509564640
kek
It's fun to read the witness of this event both from Russian and French sides.

>>509564439
There truly is no hope for you brainwashed russians. You actually believe all the blatant lies you are taught at school. It's the sign of a weak nation: unable to tell the truth. I will enjoy seeing your pitiful empire crumble once Monke falls out of a window.

>>509564583
Perhaps you shouldn't have attacked Russia in the first place if you wanted to save your precious carps, no?

Be grateful that the city wasn't burnt like you did with Moscow.

People in the west don't know what true freedom means.

Your rights and freedom is given to you.
But in the core essence nothing is allowed. ''You can do this and that''

In other places it's the other way around. You are free, but they might take away some of your rights or freedom, reasoned so. Wether you like it or not. But atleast your still, a sivereign natural born free man.

Instead of some cattle with 100 roads to choose from

>>509560355
Lol you are thinking of anglos

>>509564807
>"unable to tell the truth"
>"you will collapse in two more weeks"
Is this irony too on the nose for you to be pointed out or?

>>509557826 (OP)
>They just win territories and give them away
>Or disassemble themselves for no reason
But enough about the UK kek

>>509564552
What is the russian identity? Alcoholism, lying, stealing, being a nigger slave?

>>509564297
Funny how you agreed with his point.

>>509559296
>DMZ from Lissabon to Urals?
some standing army imho is necessary if only to keep cadres, but also for unexpected invasions from space (if earth terrorism is too small for you)

>>509564679
>Tell me
Why should a foreigner teach a finn about your own country Finland and your history?

Do your own research, if you are a retard not knowing own country's history.

>>509557826 (OP)
Yugoslavia was not behind the iron curtain. Fix your map kike.

>>509564823
>like you did with Moscow
>you
Anon.. nah this is too much.

the truth is: it was us, the dutch, that defeated napoleon at waterloo almost singlehandedly. anything else is propaganda

>>509564871
>What is the russian identity
Proud inheritence of Ulus of Jochi.

>>509564959
Gogi, when a Patriot AA missile falls on civilian houses in Kiev and kills people, who is responsible for their deaths?

>>509564894
iirc there was a proposition to have US troops ready in the UK, our troops behind the urals and every country could have a spec-ops unit against terrorism, 50k soldiers max or so. Whatever, now it won't happen this century probably.

>>509560911
>army was bad with bad soldiers fighting like African niggers who are given guns.
you say this as if it matters when you have superior manpower and industry

>>509564923
Because its something I claim never even happened, its on you to tell me when and where since you have outlandish claims like that, I cant debate about fantastical topics I know nothing about and you invented

>>509564923
He has done his research, unlike you. You are just parroting kremlin lies and rewritten history. Again, the sign of a weak nation. You cannot admit your faults and wrongs, and must always pretend to be strong and in the right. That is why you rewrite history with your lies. You can't admit what actually happened because it would make your leaders look wrong, and your entire society is based on believing your leaders are infallible. You know Monke was wrong and stupid in attacking Ukraine but have to pretend he was right because you can't admit how weak you actually are.

>>509564823
It's just a joke Vlad. It was one of the few event where Russians acted like subhumans. French people and Russian went along well despite the pre war propaganda.

>>509565058
Military literacy check.
How much explosives does Patriot missile contain?

>>509565058
I don't know what modern analogy has to do with you employing scorched earth tactics and burning Moscow to the ground before Napoleon arrived.

The dust has settled and it's easier to understand now that as the popularity of their narrative of the just war against GAYTO is slowly fading, but the Russians are also part of the butt hurt giant slav faggots.

>>509565101
>I claim never even happened
And who are you to claim anything? A filthy little lying angry swarm rural retard shilling for nazis? Yeap, it's you.

It doesn't matter what you claim. The only thing that matters is that what was in the reality. And in the reality were Finnish concentration death camps for Russians and even Karelians where you put civilians and murdered them en masse way before your friend and ally Nazi Germany started doing this.

Our whole conversation shows very well why the Viborg liberating war was started.
Your country need to be come up with another shenanigan so more territory of Hateland could be liberated.

>>509560287
It's not about territory, it's about sending a message.

>>509560959
Kek how the fuck do you not know your own history, battle of Waterloo was after the angry manlet returned from exile for seconds, he's talking about the angry manlets first defeat that sent him to exile.

>>509565217
I get it, in the mountains there is not much oxygen, so things need to be explained directly.

If it's Russia's fault for all missfunctioned Ukrainian Patriot AA missiles killing Kiev residents, then it's also French fault for all things happened to Moscow when they invaded the city for a few months.

>>509565163
Memeflag hohol retardation check: how many shrapnel does a Patriot missile contain?

>>509559296
>Remember Putin proposed a DMZ from Lissabon to Urals? But EU refused?
I member. But that was not europes decision.

>>509565417
>A filthy little lying angry swarm rural retard shilling for nazis? Yeap, it's you.
I'm not filthy, lying or angry and its debatable if I'm retarded, other than that yeah accurate
>And in the reality were Finnish concentration death camps for Russians and even Karelians where you put civilians and murdered them en masse
What is this event called and when did it happen? I've already told you several times I never heard of it, how is it so insanely difficult to provide some context?
>Our whole conversation shows very well why the Viborg liberating war was started.
Actually I agree, you are talking some weird nonsense about death camps but refuse to elaborate further, our conversation is just as nonsensical as soviet demands back in 1939, its like talking to a half loon desu

>>509565217
It started burning when he was there, not before he arrived.
Why do you illiterate cave trolls comment on things you don't even know about.

>>509564978
gypsies control the netherlands, its true. Everybody knows it

>>509565417
You should consider the fact that stalin did not always tell the truth.

>>509559296
Russia has for centuries conflated security with expansion. Any check on that expension is met with sullen resentment and undying hostility. There is no European nation that compares in arrogance, but it can only end one way. Wave after wave, century after century, you bite off more than you can chew and hollow out your own society. As long as there was a huge technological and political gap between you and the vast Asian heartland, this could stand, but it has reached the point where you will be pushed back there as well. Frothibg at the mouth, you will keep flinging yourself at the wall until you will be so diminished that true insignificance awaits. And all the while we scratch our heads wondering why the fuck you imagined it to be necessary.

>>509564534
Hitlers goal was to destroy the soviet Union and do you see nowadays the union still around anywhere? Naah that shit union collapsed so Hitler got his goal.
How's the 3 day special needs operation doing?
1 million puccians killed so far and no end in sight.

>>509565628
He is right. Modern Russians had nothing to do with Russians back then same goes for all nationalities.
You should put things back in their context.

>>509565746
Stalin had many russians killed and then pinned it on you. Many of these massacres have only become known in recent years and the russian government only admits them when the evidence is incontrovertible. The russian military historical society is working hard to keep stalin's lies alive. I'm actually a russia fan, but their obsession with stalin is really annoying.

>>509565746
I guess he means during wwii

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Karelian_concentration_camps

>>509564854
What kind of nonsense is this?

>>509565153
Also very true. Zero ability to escape their double-think post truth jumble of a mindscape. Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas.

>>509565092
That's the point so you could easily compensate that.
But you were still no help at all at the front only your big industry and the logistics that came with it was the real help.

>>509565970
>I'm actually a russia fan, but their obsession with stalin is really annoying.
Me too in a lot of ways, they shouldn't celebrate people who mass murdered the most russians in history like Lenin or Stalin, its weird and fucked up, I genuinely dont have a clue what he is referring to

>>509557826 (OP)
meanwhile in the UK...

>>509557826 (OP)
>Lend lease didn't help, we got to Berlin on our own
>4th year of the war, they can't even liberate all of Kursk
LMAO, russia will lose the war and then collapse into a civil war

>>509565746
You had the wiki link and photos of your Finnish atrocities and now you claim it wasn't, a nazi sympathizer?

Seeing how a lot of these countries treat their given sovereignity is a disgrace to the men who died fighting to preserve it's.

They kind of have no right to even call themselves a country. All they do is slime with US, sell their youth, and corrupt inherited values.

Europe is to Russia, what Haiti is. A constant failing not self sustaining mess.
Russia is the biggest country in the world btw

>>509566040
think of a two perpendicular axes. One axis is confinement, the other possibility.

The west is high on possibilities (because rich) and high in confinement (a million restrictions).

Other places like developing countries are low on possibilities (most are poor) but also low in confinement (you can go wherever you want).

>>509564439
>Finland first in history even before nazis built concentration
But that is USSR, Nazis literally went to USSR to learn how to make concentration camps(when you were still friends) since you made them during the 20s and 30s, Germans like to learn from the best and best concentration camps were in USSR, what are you kvetching about?

>>509564854
>>509566040
>what kind of nonsense
A very unsophisticated and immature description of what is a common descriptor of liberalism versus socialism or ‘left/right’. Basically, it revolves around being ‘free from’ or ‘free to’. Free from is the liberal instinct to guard against state intervention in you life. Freedom is understood as a lack of interference and infringement on the personal sphere. The other side of the coin - being free to… - has it that there are too many unequal opportunities and that you should assist people to bring them to a situation where they have maximum capacity to achieve what they wish. An example would be giving very poor people free education so they can become what they wish, instead of this being the privilege of wealth. That is the leftist/socialist position. Both are grounded in western thinking. Elsewhere in the world caesaropapistic systems prevail that are more related to our medieval situation.

>>509566020
That is definetly a not something to be proud of but its clearly not anything different from what happened in practically every other prisoner of war camp during ww2 and its only 4000 people which is a drop in the bucket, for comparison soviets massacred hundreds of thousands of ethnically finnish civilians during the 1920s and 1930s who lived in the USSR

>>509566318
Think of it like this

One is good, one is bad.

To clarify the whole axis of how and qhats for the common folk that are shortsoghtenef

>>509565907
Stop lying, nazi. Hitler's goal was to genocide Russians and push the remains eastward of Ural to free the space for Germans and you drang nach osten.

So, how is Hitler and your great Germany, hans?

>>509566040
>>509566346
Look two handicapped nerds who never fought for Dutch independence . And know fuck all about Dutch history.

Never washed ashore, never sailed the 7 seas.

gtfo

>>509566222
They interned russians with the intention of exchanging them for finns later. Disease and starvation killed some of the inmates. Seems to be as much a holocaust as the other one stalin invented. Rhine meadows and russian prison camps should also be called holocaust. My great grandfather lived for only one more year after he returned from russian captivity.

>>509566423
Putlers goal is to genocide all Ukrainians hence you can bomb them as much as you want and they will never surrender. You will bleed by the millions and then when your economy shits itself you will collapse and lose the war, keep kvetching while you can.

>>509566423
This nigger is talking like a Western kiked liberal lol.

>>509557826 (OP)
>>509557994
In 1945 the jews controlled half of Europe, all of France and Britain. They still do.

>>509565153
You are projecting a lot Kraut bro. Once everyone understand Hitler was a zionist puppet we will can advance.
Once you understand there was no good side we can create something new or revert back to when things went well without being associated with occultist schizos full of hubris shamed for the bad reasons for decades.
The propaganda against Russians in nazi Germany was exactly the same than under Napoleon.

>>509566581
Also NA, australia, 3/4 of middle east and have at least economic influence in most former soviet republics.

>>509566369
>>509566346

yes that's also a way to explain it.
However that thinking isn't necessarily western, eg. in english there are two words liberty and freedom, with liberty being borrowed from the french.

Us slavs (I don't consider us western) have "cвoбoдa" and "вoльнocть". The first is closer to being free from confinements or limitations, the second closer to be free to do whatever one desires.

>>509557994
in 1945 jews controlled all of europe and the usa

>>509557826 (OP)
The Russian culture from the soviet days to this day is predominantly characterized by selfishness, corruption and aggressive retardation. It's no wonder they're incapable of building anything that lasts. The only hope for that place is total reformation, and that's going to require a revolution or a complete collapse first.

>>509564514
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Bulgaria was added to the losing side, specifically by request from Stalin. Despite, declaring war to Germany and fighting.
It also was heavily infiltrated by the KGB at every level. Sometimes Moscow knew better what was happening in Bulgaria, than the Bulgarian regime itself.
And no other commie country was as independent as Yugoslavia.

>>509566484
Shows what you know Barry. I smell an undisciplined blaaskaakje

>>509566757
>with liberty being borrowed from the french
So what? It's still a word that's in use, and they have two of them. Moreover, the Anglophone west is not the west in its entirety. Drop this demagoguery.

>>509565417
You lie, plain and simple. That is why he is asking you to provide details. You obviously can't because like all russians you are a liar.

>>509557826 (OP)
They "disassemble" themselves because they are unable to create stable, functioning economies. Common thing in the third world.

>>509566423
russians are getting genocided by churkoids slowly anyway

>>509566757
its an acient debacle but pointless, differences are to be had, but it's much better to seek common ground

something these warmongering fools don't seem to grasp, even if they got the undertoe

>>509566423
Stop lying, jew. Hitler's goal was to defend Germany. He had no choice but to attack USSR in self-defense.

>>509557826 (OP)
no nation on the planet is equal to strategic planning, cunning and hybrid warfare of the international jewry that inherits the holy roman empire, britbong empire and now american empire experience.

stalin realised that very early but couldn't do shit about it but try to be more and more repressive, paranoid and closed off.

it's same with slavs nowadays too, maybe the chinese have countermeasures

>>509566423
They read the tetitis Germania text and weaponized it, they set the Germans up in a drug fueled frenzy

Hitler was a sick man, he lost it in his head. Strayed off into madness

>>509566861
>So what? It's still a word that's in use
Germans as another example don't use the word liberty. They use only frei, free. And they happen to be very restrictive in lots of regards, especially with laws. As a result it's very possible to be both rich and feel enslaved as a German. So yes language does matter, it's not only semantics...

>>509566757
Already the Greeks had the distinction between unfreedom as tied to necessity (labour for survival). They saw this as animalistic and it is the primary reason they disdained slaves, as being completely tied to necessity. Freedom for them was participation in politics (the realm of men), where only the public appearance and deeds were considered worthwhile. We mostly turned their system upside down, putting the meaning of freedom in our shielded house life (oikonomos) instead of the public realm. It’s a core problem of humanity, of which I just explained a modern western position (which that retard seemed to vaguely imply).

>>509566423
Imagine still believing soviet fairytale propaganda. The Soviets really did a thing to russians they succeeded in creating the new soviet men. A mindless slave only existing to serve their masters.

>>509557826 (OP)
Russia turns everything it touches to shit, no matter what historical period it is. USSR set up forced puppet commie govs in Warsaw pact countries forcing the most retarded subhuman economic model ever created on millions of people against their will, eventually USSR/Eastern block was so fucking poor and far behind the western economic development it folded on itself with commies spending everything on military and people living like niggers in africa. Now Russia is not that different, with just that instead of commie party all the wealth is concentrated in oligarch families and their buddies spending it all on yachts and mansions in wester Europe.

>>509567184
Interesting. Yes the Greek saw men who didn't partake in political affairs as quiet literally idiots. At the same time they had distinctive words, like 3 words for love: philia, eros and agape iirc

Did they have something similar with two freedoms?

>>509566803
typical french

>>509566861
there actually is a problem with the french in general

>>509559682
Does it have to be one on the map?
Can we include historical countries?

>>509567211
Imagine falling for this shit. There is nothing shocking you on this propaganda poster ? Maybe because you are a Turkroach

I have belter fatigue

>>509564552
ure the only country in the world celebrating independence from poland you laughable ESL

why do russians even write in english
its so embarassing

>>509567533
Why does Russia make you so mad? Why don't you go back to redit to seethe about them there? I'm tired of belters shitting up my board

>>509567184
>politics (the realm of men)
ancient greeks knew what they were doing

>>509559296
>have no intention to control Europeans
Soviet Russia was pretty aggressive towards its neighbors, is was just that you were allways retarded to fight.
You guys really have this behavior of playing the victim just to justify your wicked stupidity.

>>509559296
How about a DMZ from the Oural to the pacific ?

>>509567598
i dont give a shit about russia. i want russians to stay in their shithole and not poison the internet with their subhumanity. why are they speaking english while they hate the west? why come here? Because they are schizophrenic subhumans. And thats why I hate them.

>>509567598
also, kys newfag

>>509567835
This board is full of retards still falling for WW2 propaganda, newfag isn't even a insult.
You will learn more by reading books than browsing this board but it's not granted. Few people are able to connect the dots apparently.

>>509566997
It was a push for self preservation, and anything we got now, was set foot by, deeds of then. Because partially it was neccesary.
But they just lost it. Everyone knows the truth is in the middle regarding some subjects, you can't deny it. However what do you expect, Russia lost millions upon millions, defending themselves.
For them to say 'Oh mr.Hitler had some valid points,' when at the same time hes spouting out nonsense left and right degrading your people, cause he was injecting dope feeling ontop of it all? Common sense man, that's ridiculous. You have to understand the Russian perspective, you must.. You will.

It's ridiculous. You expect Russia to be bagatalizing, be apologetic to those who straight up, backstabbed betrayed, and tried to do them very very dirty, murdering millions, in recent times.
Sure war is war. But history goes further than cranked up Chaplin. Ofcourse you admire, that which vocally had interest ''supposedly" in your wellbeing. But look
at the state of Germany now. Russia probably would've preserved it better than the 'Germans' did.

Again you, expect Russians to talk in favour of Hitler?
They're not dumb,.. but you're a fool.


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>>509557826 (OP)
in 1609 virginia used to be ALL of this, how could they give it all up??

>>509567269
Depends on the specific field refered to. They saw man as a zoon politikon, meaning that for essential humanity to emerge you require politics. You needed an anchor in society, where politics didn’t tread, from which you emerged in the public sphere (bios politikos). They searched eudaimonia, which is the happiness of meeting your purpose. In order to be free as a Greek you needed maximum ‘freedom from need, nessecity and labour.’ From there comes the hierarchy of sciences (ending in pure philosophy, vita contemplativa), from there comes the insistence that long life is meaningless and only great deeds matter. Freedom was for the greeks in a way a unitary thing, that humanity organized against the cold force of nature. Bit humanity wasn’t all humans; only those that could free themselves from beastial need. Hence women, that had to go into labour to beget posterity, were also always on a lower rung. The dividing line between man and beast ran straight through the city and the individual

>>509559296
>DMZ from Lissabon to Urals?
>Urals
>russians are known to put the majority of their wartime production in syberia during war time

yeah only a warmongering russian hater wouldnt take that generous deal
kek


also you are just too incompetent to hold onto territory
whether its because you dont know how to take care of anything outside of your dacha, or just by pushing all subjected populations to the extreme by squeezing anything you can out of them without long term planning
thats why your empire falls apart all the time

>>509561321
Thanks for outing yourself as a dumbfuck, bro. Don't post on 4chan again, please.

>>509567184
you don't know what you are talking about.
Read some history books huh?

>>509567165
yes language matters but most don't know how to speak it

>>509567211
stalin good

>>509557826 (OP)

Every empire is like that though. As long as you expand you grow in other ways too, the moment you stop you decay. Even cancer will eat itself if it can't keep expanding, just look at the history of Islam, whenever it stopped expanding it ate itself. It lives of healthy tissue and might cause growth in some of it but it destroys the whole also because everything is ruined in the long run.

>>509567964
Sounds a lot like what modern schools teach as Maslow's hierarchy of needs, with self-realization ontop being just the eudaimonia of ancient greeks. I guess during Christianity this replaced by faith and devotion, and during the last centuries or so gradually reverts back to hellenism. Although I'm a little sceptical on Greeks understand of freedom, seems a little onesided given they were the ones to own slaves themselves...

>>509567729
>always lying
>always playing the victim
Did russians learn from jews or vice versa?

>>509567926
>newfag isn't even a insult.
You have to go back.

>>509567227
>eventually USSR/Eastern block was so fucking poor
That's exactly why the kikes who seized the Soviet inheritance became billionaires. Because the country was too poor.

>>509567964
you dont know what you are talking about

>>509568360
Never it was your fault. Never you were the aggressor. Never you were incompetent. You were always the victim of malignancy of everybody else.

100% Exactly like a mentally ill person.

>>509568467
idiot

>>509568467
same can be said for you, zogbot

>>509568326
Where ? This is exactly what Iam saying you assume we came here with knowing nothing of the world. This is false I hated jews before browsing this honeypot and never browsed plebbit.

Soviet union =/= Russia. Russia was just one of the republics within the union and when it collapsed Russia succeeded FROM the Soviet union

>>509568543
>>509568568
Oh look, lashing out?
Oh the west is plenty incompetent. Plenty corrupt. Often an aggressor.
I am free to say that. I am free to proclaim that.
You are not.

>>509568467
>You were always the victim of malignancy of everybody else
Now that you mention...
https://exiledonline.com/how-the-west-helped-invent-russias-election-fraud-osce-whistleblower-exposes-1996-whitewash/

>>509557826 (OP)
>They just win territories and give them away, only to have another war later.
War is the health of the State.
It's a feature, not a bug.

>>509560959
Waterloo was a footnote. Leipzig was the real deal.

>>509567959
losing poorfag west virginia was a net positive
t.bestvirgin

>>509564882
I agreed that Poland is roastie. They never talk how they were useless for Russia, only about how their new husband give them more

>>509558034
>>509557994
Codex Pajeet 3 has been officially released
https://odysee.com/@Anonymous:d16/Codex-Pajeet-3:d0

>>509561515
There were no Russians anywhere near Waterloo. A Russian army was on its way, but it was still in Germany at this time IIRC.
If Napoleon had defeated British and Prussians at Waterloo, then he would have had to deal with Russians and Austrians too (i.e. pull off another Austerlitz)
However it wasn't 1805 anymore. France was weak and exhausted. Napoleon was also old and in poor health. Meanwhile his enemies were much stronger than they had been 10 years earlier.
So Napoleon was unlikely survive this. If he hadn't been beaten at Waterloo he would have faced final defeat somewhere in Germany instead.

>>509562291
>Basically just draw a straight line down the map from east germany.
i.e. the Elbe/Carpathians border. This is the reason the Russians refused to evacuate central Europe after WWII.
Their country has no natural frontiers to its west, so control of this defensive line is important for Russian security.

>>509557994
Today Jews control all of Europe, obviously most of Ukraine.

>>509565058
Washington also denied burning New York to deny it to the British.
That fire also happened at the worst possible time of year - beginning of winter.
Such convenient accidents.

>>509568404
That’s the beauty of being a critic isn’t it? Nice asymmetry of reaction, just offhand rejection. So safe and august.

>>509560646
Kek the only buildings of worth in your country are built by Russia, and you have the statue of their emperor smack there in the middle to hit that point home. In this comparison you are the abbo. Even the location of your capital Helsinki was decided by Russians, before them you were Swedish swampfodder.

>>509565903
>Russia has for centuries conflated security with expansion.
Yes because they live in the middle of a grass field, surrounded by other grass fields owned by foreigners. No natural frontiers.
So Russia is really easy to invade.
This makes Russians paranoid. They don't feel safe unless surrounded on all sides by big neutral buffer zone of non-hostile countries.
Europe will always have trouble with Russia because Russians will always feel unsafe.
It is what it is.

>>509557826 (OP)
Ukraine was always Russian though

>>509566338
Concentration camps were first used by Spanish in Cuba in late 19th century. British also used them in South Africa few years later.
They were consequence of advent of cheap rifles and smokeless powder in c. 1880s.
From dawn of warfare until this point, civilians were no threat to soldiers. Sure, they could kill stragglers, but so long as soldiers maintained cohesion and discipline, they could go where they wanted in enemy territory with impunity.
Now a single farmer firing from under cover could harass hundreds of soldiers with complete impunity.
This was a huge headache for regular armies. So they started putting civilians in concentration camps.

>>509559682
Definitely Russia. Frigid, blonde, powerful, cruel. But tsundere with a soft spot.

>>509559296

you just triggered a bunch of childless retards with that post great job u zigger

>>509561907
>Ukraine increased artillery attacks on the Rebels and we're actively trying break through the front lines. Next.
you've swallowed loads of russian propaganda making you immune to any reason and discussion. why don't you go ahead and move there you dipshit?

>>509570594
This shows it clearly.
Similarly to how American Civil War was divided into two theaters by Appalachians, if Cold War had turned Hot, then all fighting would have taken place on the Elbe and Danube, because sending armies across the mountains would be too much trouble.