If you could copy a car or an object without affecting the original car, would it be considered stealing?
No, because the original product is still intact.

It's the same thing with software.
You're not taking a physical product made with real materials, you're copying virtual data to your drive and making use of it.

Companies are not losing money because of it, because we are not taking anything physical from them.
It's the same thing as not buying in the first place, so if that was the case, not buying something (aka, not supporting a product) would be the same as stealing.

P.S.: I know some people are against piracy and will go against my idea, but my logic is flawless and you can't deny it.
But don't get discouraged, discuss the topic and share your ideas on this thread!

Something something intelectual property something something

>>509591744 (OP)
Oversimplification.

Because making a copy debases the value of the original copy, it is actually theft of its value.

Although an imperfect analogy, but you can imagine a warehouse with 999,999,999 bikes in it. The nigger argues, well, it's just within a margin of the inventory keeping error if I steal a bike or not, so what's the big deal?

Pic related is you, voting for Lula because of the gibs.

>>509591744 (OP)
Piracy requires certain level of agency that 90% of the population doesn't have.

>>509591744 (OP)

It is by definition retard

>>509591744 (OP)
>If you could copy a car or an object without affecting the original car, would it be considered stealing?
>No, because the original product is still intact.

and yet people get mad at China for not respecting western IP and mass-producing knock-offs.

>>509591744 (OP)
this is why your country is the way it is

>>509593501
It's not because of that.

>>509591744 (OP)
just pirate. You play into their hands debating this retardation. It's called piracy, not moralcy. You're a pirate, you don't have to justify yourself by definition.

imagine if neanderthals patented banging two rocks together to make fire and homo sapiens couldn't ever leave africa because it was too cold

From /v/

>if purchasing is not ownership, therefore piracy is not stealing.

>sailing the seven seas with pirate bros
>spot a boat on the horizon
>quickly pull over to an island and start cutting down trees
>build a perfect copy of the boat I spotted and cast off again
>got two boats now
>pirate life is good

>>509591744 (OP)
piracy is basically competition for media stores, because better than free is convenience and other features.

>>509592963
>theft of its value
Modern slop has no value in the first place, which is why the IQ ceiling for people willing to pay is in freefall. Anyone with half a brain is no longer paying.

>>509592496
I used to pay for streaming because it was a simple value proposition: cut the cable and watch whatever you want, ad-free, for a small monthly price.

Shareholders decided to increase subscription fees while simultaneously reducing the quality of their content and services, and forcing ad breaks into their paid services.

Finally, I said “Fuck this. I don’t want to play this game anymore” and set up an NAS and download anything I want to watch, without monthly fees, and without being interrupted by ads.

Downloading through a VPN, I don’t get hit with copyright claims, and have downloaded about 7 TB of tv and movies to date.

Fuck the ad jew.

>>509593127
Pirates aren't selling their copies, faggot.

>>509591744 (OP)
Who fucking cares if u prate media or any other digital shit.
Just keep pirating like a chad and stop giving them money, you don't need to explain it to anyone that pirating is fair, when the average troon/basedjak will keep getting offended anyways ''Oh muh fav Companies need do some money, shame on you for pirating, muh science''
Laugh at them call em faggots and rage bait them into oblivion.

>>509595137
Coping. Almost everything has value that is easy to debase, another good analogy is printing money.

The fact that one needs to make a copy by itself proves that for this one whatever is being copied is, in fact, in demand, regardless if it's disparaged as "slop".

If it's truly slop -- abstain.

>>509591744 (OP)
I'd like to interject for just a moment. Piracy is robbery and extortion which occurs on the high seas. What you are referring to as "piracy" is actually copyright infingement or, as I've taken to calling it recently, unauthorized+sharing.

>>509591744 (OP)
Good goyim can't understand piracy, they will keep paying for slop
>b-but is cheap
>b-but is easier than torrenting

>>509591744 (OP)
I’m literally an appraiser so the short answer is yes, the principal of substitution dictates that between identical items, the one with the lower price will sell first.

If you could duplicate someone’s car 50 times, you would have 50 cars to sell which would lower the value of the original car, also they would have identical VINs as well which would cause an issue if you then sold it and it was later discovered that it was stolen (that’s what dupe VINs are)

>>509595949
based, I'll never understand people who say they need to pirate cause the media is too shit to be worth anything. what are you doing spending your time watching movies and playing video games that you hate?

>>509591744 (OP)
Based and checked!

>>509596154
Copyright is the real pirate who robs humanity of knowledge.

>>509596431
>I price gouge
You are part of the problem.

>>509591744 (OP)
>Why don't I live in a high-trust society?

Corporate bootlickers can't and won't do shit. Copyright and IP laws are fucking gay.

>>509593501
I second that; not realy the reason.

>>509595218
>Downloading through a VPN, I don’t get hit with copyright claims
One of the few perks of hue-land

>>509597405
because jews wrote copyright law to be damn-near infinite

>>509592963
The Mona Lisa doesn't decrease in value within the Louvre just because I downloaded a copy of it.

>>509591744 (OP)
piracy is only possible today because of the digital prison we have built in the 21st century.

You would ideally actually support physical media like CDs since they offer you media without any need for the internet (or in other words a "check in") and I can sell physical media back as well. All while still being "Legal" and benefits everybody and all consumers and actually makes life and the economy real.

20th century physical media (and even 2000s) and offline life is true digital freedom

I hate how humanity just had to take such a shitty direction.

>>509592963
Not true unless you're selling the copies to people who would've bought the original.

>>509598199
how copywright law always bad though?? You think it's ok for like fucking bungie to come in and blatantly steal (or well... copy/duplicate) some artists work for their own Jewish profit motive?

>>509598356
It obviously does, retard. Although there are multiple factors in play here, so it's a poor and very imprecise analogy.

First off, if one is satisfied by reviewing a copy it lessens their desire to travel to Louvre, which, obviously, reduces the value of this particular attraction.

This is exacerbated even more, if a copy being made is claimed the qualities of the original, or even being the original.

However, there's another factor here that plays somewhat towards increasing the value of the original, which is hype.

From here it follows that the best sort of communication about Mona Lisa is to spread very bad copies of it (e.g. take down hires copies only) or even moreso only verbal gossip type of description.

But, poor analogy overall, faggot. Keep it straight next time.

>>509598356
You're not making a copy, you're sneaking into the museum without paying for a ticket.

>>509599065
The root cause of debasement is the use of the original. If you make a free copy for yourself only, without reselling, you still debase the original by reducing the probability of you paying for it.

Memeflag faggot.

>>509592963
how is it jews can copy right a phrase but I can't copy right my own face or DNA???

>>509591744 (OP)
If you share or consume without any desire to hijack someone's brand, profit from it or do anything nefarious, i don't see the problem. Even better if you're a pirate who plan on funding or tipping the people involved in any content you enjoy. Haven't seen a single valid argument against that.

>>509599492
Well the probability of me giving jews my money is 0. Its a pirate life for me matey.

>>509591744 (OP)
It depends on which end of the stick you are. It is a zero sum game. And it is about the money. You either lose money or win money. The bullshit you write is meaningless justifications. You would write completely opposite justification if you were a creator of the stuff being pirated and wanted to be paid for the efforts you spent on creating it.

Even if Piracy would be stealing, I'm doing this willingly and without a shred of remorse that I'm doing the right thing. I wish to understand the memetics that shape our cultures, and wish to shed light onto those that erode national narratives. I don't feel bad stealing from thieves, fuck jews.

>>509592963
Hylic: detected

>>509592963
this

also,
>end women's rights: because it should be obvious to you by now
>enforce monogamy: because otherwise men have no reason to participate in civilization
>end all government handouts: because taxpayers (i.e. white men) should not be cuckolds through taxation and because single mothers and niggers and beaners should work and contribute or else starve. If they don't work then they should not be allowed to eat.

there should be no such thing as a single mother in our country. Their options should be to submit to their baby daddy (who would be forced to marry and provide for them) or to starve to death on the streets.
>but, anon, what if she acts like a complete insufferable cunt all the time?!
simple solutions for this problem: don't marry drug dealers, and make it legal for men to beat their wife. There is no problem with women that a couple firm backhand slaps can't cure.

and again: there should be no EBT or any other government handouts.
work and contribute or starve.

>>509591744 (OP)
If you could copy cars at no cost then car manufacturers would have no reason to design and build cars as it wouldn't be profitable. You'd end up with no new cars being made outside of hobbyists.

>>509596154
I kek'd
stallman, plz!

>>509595257
Selling isn't stealing.

>>509600175
You would pay people money to design the new cars because they have a track record of designing better cars than other people
It's called commissioning

>>509592496
>intelectual property
a jewish construct

>>509592496
The funny thing about intellectual property is that patents and copyrights expire over time and the content in question then becomes public domain after expiration.

The real flaw with intellectual property is why is stealing bad only for a short time after the contents creation and then it's perfectly fine to steal it forever after expiration? If these laws had any validity or logical consistency then shouldn't stealing it be bad forever?

>>509600175
Brother, if you could magically produce vehicles at zero cost then you'd be living in a world where businesses are no longer necessary and neither would money as people could just magically create any resources of technology they need. That's literally the world of Star Trek and it's a commie paradise. If finite resources are no longer an issue then capitalism is unnecessary.

>>509599530
Because it's the jews, faggot, not the intellectual property rights. What is it out there that they have not debased or degenerated?

A good share of dissatisfaction how the modern copyright works is the jews.

>>509600412
It was actually a White man's construct because jews were stealing the White man's ideas and passing it off as their own.

>>509599645
Yeah. But with that, a honest man should understand why he does it. It's because the jews, not because the intellectual property rights are wrong.

>>509600655
White in the same way jews are "white" you mean

>>509599530
You can, but you need to start a corporation and then patent your face and DNA as a product of said corporation. Legal entities have rights, actual people do not.

>>509600655
Truth pill detected

>>509600730
No, the White man has been inventing things for ages. jews were REGULARLY stealing our music, our machines, our ideas and trying to claim it as their own. Copyright and Intellectual property is a defense mechanism against the jew using its bank powers to outspend you and run you out of business.

>>509600175
>you'd end up with no new cars being made outside of hobbyists.
and that's bad how?
The most used OS in the world right now is maintained by hobbyists

>>509592963
>making a copy debases the value of the original copy
Not true.
>imagine a warehouse with 999,999,999 bikes in it
>if I steal a bike
This is not piracy, it's stealing. You couldn't find even one example where piracy is bad? Way to prove my point! A more accurate example would be that I look at the bikes, draw a blueprint, and build my own. Did the bikes lose value when I built my own?

>>509599293
>It obviously does
How many times do I have to download a picture of the Mona Lisa to make them throw the real one into the bin because it's worth nothing?

>>509594237

If the wright brothers did to their planes what Universal Studios would do, we'd never have gotten off the ground. Property, by default must be physical, there is no such thing as intellectual property because the second you released it to the world everyone now has it by merit of the fact that they have to think about it. Why did authors make money 200 years ago? Because they were really good at selling paper bound into books.

If an artist produces a work, and some guy on the street plays it and takes tips for doing so...is he stealing? No, because that band cannot be everywhere at once. Ever notice how once movie theaters stopped being the source of income for movie studios the quality died?

Intellectual property laws are retarded. "We have a special formula!" Good for you, all you did was figure out the right combination of elements. You don't have any right to that combination since you found it first. What if another guy figured it out 8 seconds after you? Does he get no pay off for his efforts because he "stole" the formula? But he didn't! He thought it up in isolationists.

This is globohomo society at it's best where the only way to participate is to sell out to the big guy first because our labor is worth nothing and only IP has value....which is retarded.

>>509596534
>I'll never understand people who say they need to pirate cause the media is too shit to be worth anything. what are you doing spending your time watching movies and playing video games that you hate?
I don't hate Family Guy, but it's not worth spending actual money on either. Same with Sam Hyde, I'll watch the free stuff on his youtube for the lulz, but nigga I ain't gonna buy a subscription on yo gay ass website.

buying family guy dvd set = no
downloading family guy from archive.org = maybe
i dont hate it, its just worthless is all

>>509600924
this. also stolen and perverted by the jew. jews have gotten rich and have a 2000 year old book about following us around and stealing our wealth.

>>509600441
It's so that the creators can profit from their creation that they invested time into creating but but once they've gained enough value society benefits from others being able to take advantage of it as well.
If the concept didn't exist at all there would be way less motivation to invest in anything, for games in particular it would just be volunteer work. All games would look like the shit on opengameart.

>>509600074
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>509599476
What percentage of the ticket sales go to the authors descendants? The museum would be nothing without its paintings after all. Or is it okay to exploit artists?

>>509601939

Fuck off kike

>>509591744 (OP)
Hence why it's called COPYleft, ffs.

>>509591744 (OP)
btw this exact logic is the reason you don't own games and only own a license

>>509601623
The only problem is that just like anything that benefits us, the jew has no issues with abusing it. Kind of hard to oppose that when there are many other factors involved.

>>509591744 (OP)
>people need money to pay for shit. economy struggles, crime rises.
>launchers are garbage, drm, malware
>needing an account to play is ass
>anything more than double clicking a .exe is a worse experience than piracy.

>>509593088
Piracy is when you board a vessel, kill the crew, and taking all their shit. But jews decided that borrowing movies or whatever from the internet is the same thing. It obviously is not. They tricked you into thinking something that isn't bad, actually is bad, by calling it something it isn't. Imagine if they remamed "jaywalking", "murder".

>>509601327

Yeah, and ironically what holds society back is the lack of investment capital in developing IP that isn't some goyslop

>>509602512
KEK

>>509604100

Exactly, what holds society back is that basic jobs can't be careers anymore. The Wright brothers were bike mechanics who made enough money to jack around with flight. The rocket engineers who developed a lot of jet propulsion were coal miners kids.

The reason society doesn't progress is because people can't afford to dream because sweeping floors doesn't pay enough to ever relax.

Everyone is so tight fisted with their money they can't afford to risk a dollar of it and so we don't explore. You have to spend money to make money, as it were. So you want good IP? Ensure that the barber cutting hair can raise a family of 5 and own a home, car, take vacations and have a glass of fine Bourbon.... That's how you get the next set of novels that make you feel like the world is boundless.

Everyone talks about how the future will be worse, failing to realize they're already living in it. Liberty died a while ago, we're just masturbating to the idea of it now instead if getting intimate with it.

>>509591744 (OP)
>make something copyable for the express purpose of selling copies of it
>some poorfag third worlder makes his own copies and profits off the distribution of your idea instead
>or just uses it for free himself rather than paying you which is the reason you made it, to make money, and tou don't make any money if people just copy it themselves and distribute it for free/their profit

You'd have to be a kid for this not to make sense. If you're an adult, you're a mental midget. A retard if you will. My business was ruined due to pirating and now the world doesn't get to enjoy any future works that I would create. Enjoy your AI slop and degrading brains.

>>509592963
If I own a car and a car factory builds another one, the value of my car goes down. That's just supply and demand.
"Piracy" is just labeling production as theft. When a megocorp does it it's "production" when you do it it's "piracy".

>>509591744 (OP)
Which is why it's called illegal copy

>>509591744 (OP)
>>509592963
If some guy makes a piece of media that provides countless hours of joy and entertainment to millions of people, then he deserves to make money from it.
You should pay the creator a few bucks for enriching your life, and hopefully encourage them to make more of such content in the future.
People ought to be rewarded proportionally for producing quality work and entertainment.
This doesn't apply as much in the case of AAA studios where all of the people with creative talent are salaried employees who don't necessarily benefit from the success of the corporation.