Since its rise to dominance, Western Civilization was always led by a European country, up until 1945.
In the 1400s, Portugal was the most dynamic country in Europe, sending expeditions around the entire continent of Africa and all the way to India, founding the trading city of Goa in India.
After the discovery of the New World funded by the Spanish Crown, Spain became Europe's superpower and the vanguard of Western Civilization for about a century and half.
In the latter 1600s, the tiny Dutch Republic became the most dynamic European power, growing immensely in wealth and influence due to excellent trade relationships, especially in what today is Indonesia. The established powers of the time, which were Spain, France, and England, looked at the Dutch Republic as an upstart unworthy to be the leading power of Europe and so they ganged up in the Netherlands to attack its trade routes and defeat the Dutch Republic militarily. It worked, but during the Dutch Golden Age of the latter 17th century, the Dutch were Western Civilization's most advanced nation.
Then comes France in the 1700s; France was Europe's dominant power until the French Revolution, which kicked off a quarter century of continent-wide warfare that ended with the Battle of Waterloo in 1815. After Waterloo, the British Empire became the leader of Europe and the vanguard of Western Civilization.
The Pax Britannica lasted until 1914 with the outbreak of World War I, which shattered the perception of peace and stability guaranteed by British might.
Between 1914 and 1945, the West didn't have a clear leading country, though the British Empire remained the most powerful country in the world.
Of course, after World War II, Europe was in a bad state, its morale was shattered, the will to fight to maintain their colonial holdings was gone, and so Europe's colonies began to break away and form independent countries, starting with India in 1947.
The US emerged as the leading power in the West in 1945.
>>509600066 (OP)Since 1945, the USA has been the leader of Western Civilization, with Europe playing a secondary role for the first time since Western Civilization began to expand outward in the 1400s with Portugal's feats of navigation and seafaring.
Sailing and naval expertise were at the center of the West's rise to dominance in the world.
But I wonder, how do Europeans feel about the West being led, since 1945, by a power that is not based in Europe, but instead in the New World?
Do Europeans resent the loss of their preeminence and central role in world affairs? Are there many "Ameriphiles" in Europe who see American dominance as a positive turn in history? What's the assessment?
Euros are cucks. They worship whoever rules them.
>>509600066 (OP)What's it matter when Europe and the US are both ruled by the same cabal (masonic sect ruled by jews)
>>509600066 (OP)We know you lot have put your influence to good use. Spreading your culture where it doesnt belong
The roots of Western Civilization are in Egypt before Greece and in Sumeria before Egypt AKA modern Iraq.
Abraham is from what is now Iraq and Sumeria was the oldest human civilization in history. The torch has been passed all the way from ancient Babylon.
>>509600066 (OP)They had to shut up and accept it to get American gibs to rebuild their countries after ww2
Here is your America led Western civilization bro
>>509600414>The roots of Western Civilization are in Egypt before Greece and in Sumeria before Egypt AKA modern Iraq.>Abraham is from what is now Iraq and Sumeria was the oldest human civilization in history. The torch has been passed all the way from ancient Babylon.Yes, I know about the Bronze Age and Near East, and how the Fertile Crescent is the source of agricultural practices that eventually spread to Europe, beginning with the eastern Mediterranean like what today is Greece, and especially the island of Crete, where Minoan civilization flourished.
I'm talking about the modern West, which emerged from the Middle Ages with the Renaissance and then conquered the world.
>Europe gets colonized by the USA after WW2
>Whites go extinct.
>Chinese hegemony incoming
How do they do it?
>>509600706There is no international trade without the USA allowing it by not actively sabotaging the just-in-time supply chain. China’s economy is export oriented as a result of their inverted demographic pyramid. China will collapse after the USA sabotages international shipping by no longer policing sea lanes while arming pirates. All nations must be on board for the just-in-time supply chain to function. Any disruption no matter how small is catastrophic. One bad actor can ruin it for everyone.
>>509600948Yep, I do tend to think the USA will remain on top of the world for at least another century, and might even be the new Roman Empire in the sense that America might be the culminating empire of modern, Western Civilization, the way the Roman Empire was the culmination of Classical Civilization.
Maybe America will rule the world for 500 years like the Roman Empire did. I don't know, but I don't see China or BRICS overtaking America or ending American hegemony.
I'm not saying American world domination is good or bad, just that it's a fact and will likely endure for a long time to come.
>>509601287For example, Trump and Israel BTFO'd Iran in two weeks, and Iran might have been the strongest power in the Middle East (after Israel).
For all its problems, both geopolitically and internally, the United States remains incredibly powerful and, really, unmatched in the world.
>>509600948Weird chatgpt response needs to lower the temperature parameter,getting word salad.
>>509601416I can see that. The USA has been the main pusher of globalization, at least when globalization was really popular in the 1990s and 2000s. Globalization is really just the American Empire under another name. Globalization is not really ending now, not at all, but changing its form from one of openness to a more closed and government-controlled approach to world affairs.
>>509601416But also, Europe is not guiltless in globalization and multiculturalism and the damage these have done to Western societies in terms of their demographics. Yes, American influence is strong in Europe and multiculturalism probably spread to Europe from America, but many Europeans embraced it wholeheartedly. It takes two to tango.
In 2015, many Europeans were holding "Migrants Welcome!" posters when the Syrians began to arrive.
>>509603101>many Europeans embraced it wholeheartedly.What's 'many'?
Certainly not the majority
>many Europeans were holding "Migrants Welcome!" postersIf that's what you mean by 'many', you're fuckng retarded
>>509603266There wasn't strong opposition to migration in Europe until the last few years.
You can try to claim most Europeans are blameless and this is just America's fault, but evidently few Europeans saw fit to protest until things got really bad and obvious.
>>509603591>There wasn't strong opposition to migration in Europe until the last few years.Simply not true
Dutch turned majority anti-immigration a long time ago, in the late 1990s
In 2002 we had a political leader assassinated for it when he threatened to win elections in landslide
The fact is, Europe's ruling class is hand picked by (((transatlantic institutions))), that is to say, America
>>509600066 (OP)We don't see you as Western. You're basically just another Russia.
>>509604029Okay, I can believe that. You have a co-opted elite who are only allowed to become elites because they are supporters of Atlanticism, whose institutions are controlled by the US.
>>509604166>You're basically just another Russia.Please explain.
I kind of get your point but need more details.
For example, Russians are seen by Nordicists as mixed Asiatics. What do you guys see Americans as, exactly?
But whatever race you see us as, we are, culturally, Western, and we do rule Western Civilization for now and most likely we will rule for some time to come.
>>509604166Also, why do nationalists in Balkan countries crow about European racial purity like a Nordicist would when all the Balkan peoples have Middle Eastern admixture, like from the Ottomans and Huns?
>>509600066 (OP)It was either USA or Russia. This is a no-brainer.
>>509600066 (OP)It's led by a rootless elite and multinational corporations. Wouldn't say it's led by America.
>>509600066 (OP)America was populated by the rejects of Europe. The three major emigrant groups from Europe to America were in no particular order:
Never-do-wells aka work shy losers looking for easier pastures and a quick buck.
Criminals on the run.
Utterly demented and obnoxious christcuck fundamentalists that pissed off the state churches with their never ending sectarianism.
What you are asking boils down to "how do europeans feel about the rejects of Europe leading western civilisation". The answer is "you are not civilized and have never been, so you cannot claim that title". You americans (and canadians) are our garbage. Our scumbags. Our chris-chans. Our pedos. Our "I'm better than you because I am a christian of sect X". You are the sum of all the shit people we exported instead of properly culling. That is what you are.
>>509600414>The roots of Western Civilization are in Egypt before Greece and in Sumeria before Egypt AKA modern Iraq.Eh, no. This is christcuck injection of christianity where it does not belong.
>>509605371>What you are asking boils down to "how do europeans feel about the rejects of Europe leading western civilisation". The answer is "you are not civilized and have never been, so you cannot claim that title". You americans (and canadians) are our garbage. Our scumbags. Our chris-chans. Our pedos. Our "I'm better than you because I am a christian of sect X". You are the sum of all the shit people we exported instead of properly culling. That is what you are.It's no wonder Americans enjoy putting our boots on your necks and making you choke.
It turns out Europe's rejects are greater than Europe's non-rejects, since we're in charge of you and have been for 80 years.
>>509601287>Yep, I do tend to think the USA will remain on top of the world for at least another century,Given the demographic trends in America that is impossible. I give you 10 more years, max, before you have your Soviet Union 1991 moment, and afterwards you will never recover, because America will be looted down to the bedrock and below by its jewish ownership class. The shift-host-to-China plan is still going on. The chinks will yield sooner or later because they really do not understand the jews because of chink autism.
>>509600066 (OP)I don't feel anything anymore.
>>509605449Dark Age Europe was defined by three major cultural influences: 1) the Germanic tribes, 2) the remnants of the Roman Empire and Roman culture, and 3) Christianity that took shape in the Near East.
The Near East is definitely part of European culture and has been for more than 1500 years due to the dominance of Christianity as the major religion of Europe since medieval times.
>>509605646>Given the demographic trends in America that is impossible. I give you 10 more years, max, before you have your Soviet Union 1991 moment, and afterwards you will never recover, because America will be looted down to the bedrock and below by its jewish ownership class. The shift-host-to-China plan is still going on. The chinks will yield sooner or later because they really do not understand the jews because of chink autism.I doubt it. China is even worse off, demographically, than the West is, due to their one child policy that was upheld for decades. Yes, there were exceptions in the one child policy that allowed certain groups to have multiple kids, but the pressure not to reproduce was very strong for decades and, as a result, China is in deep shit now.
Also, the Chinese have never been the greatest fighters against foreign powers, while the West have been proven to have the best fighters in world history.
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>>509605646Collapse is inevitable but the last one to do so wins. Collapse occurs quicker from aging than diversity. The USA will literally outlive Russia, and China. The USA will be able to have a civil war and Balkanize without outside interference unlike Russia and China. The USA will arm Chechens and Uyghurs to make the Balkanization of Russia and China very painful.
The USA is in the process of nearshoring manufacturing. Once nearshoring is complete the USA will sabotage international shipping to disrupt the just-in-time supply chain. China’s economy is export oriented as a result of their inverted demographic pyramid. China will collapse after the USA sabotages international shipping.
I'm not reading all that shit.
I don't like it but the (media addicted) older generations think America's great and should take charge, provided the Democrats are in control (and would agree with a Democrat dictatorship).
I've heard Spain is gayer than the US and in some ways my country is too. And then there's Germany and Sweden... what horrible fates.
>>509605583>It turns out Europe's rejects are greater than Europe's non-rejects, since we're in charge of you and have been for 80 years.That was only possible by the treason of Britain and France. Its not gonna last forever, given that there are multiple trends pointing at a total american collapse. Check usdebtclock.org, mix with american demographics, and add in the rest, and you can see a total massive trainwreck coming up real soon now, historically speaking. You will not find refuge here and you will have to go down with the ship. I would not be surprised if the jews that own you will export food and fuel from a future bankrupt America to international customers while americans starve and freeze to death. Its not as if they have not done that before in other places.
>>509600367Nigs run the world. There is reason the white stuff is pushed so hard, Jews are just banking managers mostly
>>509605646In what way is Sweden better off nimwit, at the end of the day we are all fucked and we are brothers so stop the infighting nigger. I love Europe probably more then you and I had no choice in the matter, worse you born in Europe and still do nothing to save it, you are the worse traitor, I had no choice in the matter, America was a scam from the beginning I’m not arguing against that.
>>509605703>The Near East is definitely part of European culture and has been for more than 1500 years due to the dominance of Christianity as the major religion of Europe since medieval times.Christianity is an alien graft that doesn't really fit so it has always been partially rejected even when it was enforced. And once the enforcing was removed, it just died on its own.
>>509605839>China is even worse off, demographically, than the West is, due to their one child policy that was upheld for decades.Did i ever mention China? Because the chinks have a shrinking population. Thats all. Ten chinks become eight chinks who become five.
But you have an old and rapidly shrinking white population combined with a massively fast growing black and brown population. And because of your meddling, we have that problem too, but we have a much larger fraction of whites left. And once you collapse, the sooner the better, we can start to adress this american sabotage of our societies. You have no unifying ethnic identity so you will shatter and dissolve in the rising tide of color that will eventually swallow all of America.
>>509600414People who say this shit tend to forget that the 'bronze age' completely fucking collapsed, and people thought elephant skulls were cyclops remains and forgot how to build stacked rocks.
Western civilization had its roots in classical Greece and the height of Egyptian intelligence, and academia when figures like hermes trismegistus were highly revered and Doric column masonry was at its height.
>>509606385This was already addressed here
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>>509605990>Collapse is inevitable but the last one to do so wins. Collapse occurs quicker from aging than diversity. The USA will literally outlive Russia, and China. The USA will be able to have a civil war and Balkanize without outside interference unlike Russia and China. The USA will arm Chechens and Uyghurs to make the Balkanization of Russia and China very painful.Definitely some truth in this
Look at Japan. Its economy is in freefall due to demographic collapse. Germany and even Italy have now surpassed Japan. Maybe Poland did too, I can't remember, but other countries have been surpassing Japan in economic size for the past few years.
Without immigration, economies with a bad demographic pyramid implode.
>>509605990>Collapse occurs quicker from aging than diversity.Thats amerimutt cope. Old white americans die out and are replaced by a deluge of young niggers, spics and pajeets. Genetic decay and the collapse of the dollar combined with absolutely wreck America worse than Russia got after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Its going to be a sight to behold. Imagine formely fat amerimutts in food queues with enormous skin folds hanging from their bodies.
>>509606064>That was only possible by the treason of Britain and France. Its not gonna last forever, given that there are multiple trends pointing at a total american collapse. Check usdebtclock.org, mix with american demographics, and add in the rest, and you can see a total massive trainwreck coming up real soon now, historically speaking. You will not find refuge here and you will have to go down with the ship. I would not be surprised if the jews that own you will export food and fuel from a future bankrupt America to international customers while americans starve and freeze to death. Its not as if they have not done that before in other places.All those trends apply even more so to Europe. European demographics are worse as is European debt.
>>509600242the US has been the leader of Western Civilization since 1917
>>509606154>Christianity is an alien graft that doesn't really fit so it has always been partially rejected even when it was enforced. And once the enforcing was removed, it just died on its own.And Buddhism is an alien graft on East Asian culture, but that doesn't change the fact that it is, and has been for a long time, a very important factor in East Asian culture.
There is no such thing as a pure, unadulterated culture.
>>509606692> collapse of the dollar The USA would then just move towards a wartime economy and reset the currency. After that international shipping would end by sabotage by the USA. Any country that depends on importing food, fertilizer, or oil would be doomed. They’ll be forced to eat their own children lol
>>509606082>In what way is Sweden better off nimwit, at the end of the day we are all fucked and we are brothers so stop the infighting nigger.We have way more swedes as a percentage of the population that you have european people as a percentage of the population. And you are not a brother of mine, you are a chrigger that worships jews and you are our collective enemy from world war 1 and 2.
>>509606759>the US has been the leader of Western Civilization since 1917Not really. The period from 1914 to 1945 is like an interregnum when there is no clear king, just vying claimants to the throne.
The coronation of America, as King of the West, occurred in 1945.
>>509600367What is wrong with American education.
>>509606911Higher percentage but much smaller population than the USA. It would be very easy to overwhelm Sweden in an invasion.
>>509606497>This was already addressed hereNo, collapse comes much quicker from diversity than ageing. And there is no recovery from diversity, the usual "cure" is an invasion and total extermination by a high performing, racially homogenous alien population, which then resettles the land.
>>509607063Wrong, collapse happens quicker in an aging society because their economy is more easily sabotaged since they rely on exporting.
>>509600242It would be good if it wasnt for USA being a puppet state of Israel
>>509607111>Wrong, collapse happens quicker in an aging society because their economy is more easily sabotaged since they rely on exporting.This was written by a pajeet because this is totally demented chatbot tier thinking.
>>509607215You are an idiot that doesn’t understand how if there isn’t enough young people in a society then there aren’t enough consumers for products therefore the products must be exported to markets that have a mass amount of consumers. This is how capitalism works.
>>509603591I hate when American talk shit while knowing nothing about our history.
>>509600066 (OP)"Western Civilization" is mostly a meme. What we call Western Civilization was Christian Civilization. But Christian Civilization no longer exists. Now there is only America and its vassals.
The only thing that unifies "The West" is the influence/power of the global financial system. Which subsidizes/bribes America's vassals. Who would be third-world countries without the privileges of the financial system.
When America falls, the "West" will go down with it.
>>509607127>It would be good if it wasnt for USA being a puppet state of IsraelAmerica is the main Golem but not the only one.
>>509606662>Its economy is in freefall due to demographic collapse.It looks like it hasn't shifted since the '90s, in GDP and GDP per capita.
Where is it falling?
>Without immigration economies implodeJapan is doing neither?
>>509608467>When America falls, the "West" will go down with it.Yes, like Rome, America may be the culminating empire of the modern, "Western" tradition.
Also, I do think the West is real, and yes, as you say, Christianity is a big part of what has defined it for over 1500 years. The Age of Exploration, the Age of Reason, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution, the New Imperialism etc.: all are shared aspects of Western Civilization.
The thing is there is no such concept as white people. Americans do not consider Europeans to be their kin. The sooner Europeans realize this the better.
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>>509607215You are an idiot that doesn’t understand how if there aren’t enough young people in a society then there aren’t enough consumers for products therefore the products must be exported to markets that have a mass amount of consumers. This is how capitalism works.
>>509600066 (OP)Not European but it plays into our hands since we can leverage our position between other major powers.
>>509600268Said the American cocksucker. All of you Americans, ALL, worship your politicians like it's a Popstar and you on of their fans. The rallies, the parties, waving pictures of old farts. Fighting, literally fighting and killing on streets, in bars, malls, private discussions within the families, friends, the community. Doing events partying said old guy like he's god. Like real fanboys - BUT that you are just "normal" Americans. (crazy fanboys for the entire rest of the world).
So, shove your shit up your own throat you fucking retard. You are the most fucked, most cucked and most thankfully dick blowing worshippers on planet earth. If not the whole galaxy.
>>509600268I'm sure you lot know all about that as well
>>509609895I seem to recall that the Germans nearly worshiped a certain politician at one time too, just as you accuse Americans of doing. In fact, that ended in 1945 in Germany, which I mentioned is when the US took over from Britain as global hegemon and head of the West.
the situation of Europe resembles a lot Greece pre and post Peloponnesian wars, the latter being basically the equivalent of our world wars in terms of large scale mobilization and self-destruction of the powers involved both winners and loser
the USA is a bit like Macedon, enters into the picture over a tired Hellas, militarily it's top notch and technically expands Greek influence beyond the old borders but in turn this basically puts the final nails in the coffin of the old country, it becomes a passive decaying province of a much larger "global"(in the ancient world) world which although speaks Greek shifts its center elsewhere
likewise you can imagine 50 years from now english being spoken and European modes of government being used in the far east while Europe and USA are some second world backwaters
>>509608935>"Western" tradition.What tradition? Monarchy? Nazism? Capitalism? The French Revolution? Socialism? Mussolini? Churchill? Hitler? Democracy? Totalitarianism? Imperialism? Colonialism?
There is no "Western tradition". What we think of the West was created by Christianity. But the West is no longer Christian. Now what we call the west is an atheistic, materialistic, anti-white American Empire.
In short, "The West" is nothing more than a geopolitical alliance based on global finance. Anyone who believes otherwise is a delusional moron with no knowledge of history.
>>509600066 (OP)Your summary looks like it was written down by a teenager that just discovered on Instagram all the various European civilizations and makes a nonsense word salad to prove his point
> uhm yes you see you start with the greeks and then the Romans and then the limes in Scotland and then Constantine the emperor and the goths and then the magna carta and then the holy Roman empire and then Columbus and then Voltaire and then Isambard Kingdom Brunel and then....Anyway, I just want to address the faggot with the muh population pyramid copypasta that I've already encountered 3 times today: the median age of whites in the US is 45, the median age in China is 40 - and even this is pointless. When nukes start flying, the zeihan tier eglin propaganda goes down the toilet. When nukes start flying hundreds of millions of people will die, civilization will just collapse and we will go back to the middle ages all over again.
>>509611088Nuclear war is beneficial to the USA. It would make the US population 90% white after the cities are obliterated. The population of the USA is more spread out unlike the population of China which is mostly along their coast. In the event of a nuclear war the USA will nuke countries like Brazil and Mexico that aren’t even actively involved in the conflict as a contingency measure to make sure they don’t rise up in the power vacuum after the war.
>>509600066 (OP)There are no bigger war mongers than Europeans, and there hasn't been a world war since the US took charge, so there's that.
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>Nuclear war is beneficial to the USA.
the absolute state of glowniggers since migakikes took over
>>509610405the far east isn't going anywhere.
>>509611622They’re going to be nuked.
>>509600066 (OP)americans are rebranded euros at least the ones that matter
>>509611622this can be interpreted twofold, i.e it won't grow further in influence but also won't collapse either? I'd agree with both, I would say the future is in the east, but not in the sense of them becoming a new world empire, they are fellaheens like the orientals Alexander met
>>509611336>there has been no wars since america took chargeThe absolute state of American education. Guess all that budget spent on military and arming of terrorist groups was just for show
>>509610275That's not the same. You do it like the most hardcore fanboy on some concert of xyz. And that not only for Trump or Biden, Bush or Obama. You do that since ever and it's with a flaming involvement of a passion I only ever saw on fucking trannies defending their culture. And no, that wasn't meant to insult you but to state what people, with a more rational, because not involved, view, see.
Dude whatever you write I won't see it since I'm going to bed, second, you're unable to see what I mean cause you live inside of this... Theater. Is absolutely ridiculous what you people do. But you can't, won't, and never will see it. You're lacking of perspectives.
>>509611336*taps head
You can't be a warmonger if you're illiterate
>>509611336there were war everywhere else it's just that Bwagolo was too retarded to write that he just had a huge war against Lwongodu
>>50961324514 million of you died because Hitler wanted Danzig. And there wasn't a single rebellion, single act of disobedience. You just marched o your deaths like cattle. As I said, you guys worship the authority - Americans are just loud about this, but disobedient at core. But you believe your leadership is GOD no matter who it is or what kind of policy they follow. French are possibly the only exception.
>>509616339shut the fuck up muttgolem
Pope down when you address Europeans with a foreskin, remember your mark and your place
Adolf Hitler and the Fascist movements were a genuine return to civilizational vitality, an answer to post-industrial reality. You're a nigger, you're an atomized rootless nigger, you disobey nothing. All those gunz, and no resistance. You're occupied territory now, just like us, all because of your rulers following the six pointed star. Adolf Hitler was the one who stood up against international jewry.
Spain and Portugal been going at it for millenia. Portugal ended most Spanish, little did they know Portugal was backed up by Britain. Britain at the time wanted alliance. Spain got brutally beat, decided to go other lands to seek alliance and resources. Not mention they were under arab rule before for 1000 years.
>>509612047Does Portugal consider anglosaxons part of the Occident?
>>509617601Take the memeflag off brown motherfucker
