It seems that right now drone made a lot of old war tactics and equipement obsolete. War is always evolving, so what weapon or device will be a definitive counter to drones? Im not talking about cope cages obviously, some kind of mini-nuke maybe, that renders all electronics in a certain area useless or something like that, maybe a gun that shoots big nets that somehow turn the drone off or energy beam or whatever

>>509649591 (OP)
mobilised... just to become my fap material... *unzips pants*

>>509649591 (OP)
How do people agree to do things like this to other human beings?

>>509649591 (OP)
less infantry more artillery more civilian casualties in a real large scale war

>>509649702
there are no human being in this video

Bubble energy shields

>>509649591 (OP)
i see what you did there

killer ticks

Depends

>>509649591 (OP)
Self-loading magazine fed shotguns with shells loaded with shit tone of pellets.

Future wars will be fought with giant robots. We already know this.

>>509649799
tried
works soso

>>509649895
>>509649799
maybe yeah, something like that. Energy shield sounds too futuristic tho, i bet drones will speed up evolution of military technologies by a lot

>>509649591 (OP)
Eventually there will be I think, but maybe not. Is there a counter to Artillery? Not really, it just is. You stay in one place and visible, you get shelled. Now you also get droned.
Like, hypersonic missiles and drones obsoleting the concept of "navy" wasn't on my 21st century bingo card but here we are, even mighty murrica don't dare approach goatherder's coast and our Black Sea fleet is basically gone vs country without a fleet. So something will come for drones eventually. Probably something very unexpected, like precise microwave rays or tesla coils or some shit like in a red alert game.

nanomachines

>>509649591 (OP)
Strong winds and bad weather nullify them

Is "Z" russian for drone target? I've seen it painted on everything that drones hit.

>Will there be a definitive counter to drones?
Pogroms and world peace but I repeat myself.

>>509649591 (OP)
>War is always evolving, so what weapon or device will be a definitive counter to drones?
Shield drones.

You have 4 drones hovering around you.
enemy drone approaches, 1 off your shield drones suicide into enemy drone.
You now have effectiveness of 5 soldiers.

The math works out because your side has the affordable drones, while the west have expansive westoid drones.

Lasers that shoot any fast moving objects

EMP? Something that fries lithium batteries?
There's already jamming but now they've shifted to wired drones.
I'm surprised every soldier doesn't have a GoPro or something with a microcomputer that runs basic image classification and triggers alarms at anything like a drone seen.

>>509650554

>>509649591 (OP)
AA point defense
that's it

>>509650616
Ukraine can't build/afford it and Russia doesn't care about Churka Force enough to bother

>>509649591 (OP)
Yes, they are called High Power Microwave (HPM) Systems and they work very well. You can fry the electronics of any number of drones in a general direction

>>509650469
Are you baiting? This shit know and talked about since war began.
Z and V used to identify russian vehicles. Also russians use red tapes to identify allies. Ukrainians use yellow or blue tapes.

Lasers
>instant adquisition of target, just point and shoot
>powerful enough to burn tiny drones or the grenade they carry

Mutts already have a SHORAD variant that has laser active protection, literally just blows up enemy rockets in mid air by burning them

>>509650670
stationary AA defense also seems vulnerable to drones, maybe drones that is specifiacly designed to shoot down other drones, with whatever weapons, something like that anon suggested>>509650554

>>509649675
>>509649591 (OP)
you just need microwave guns that fry the electronics on the drone. it would be like a electronic shotgun. we had the tech since 1960 probably. sucks your government wanted to see if you would evolve anti drone measure mis explosion when they could have built phased aray microwave guns

>>509650862
>specifiacly designed to shoot down other drones, with whatever weapons,
Mauby it can just simply crash into enemy drone at high speed.

It should be easy to detect enemy drone via sound detection.

>>509649591 (OP)
Ironically Shotguns with magazines with a lot of training and a hell lot of training shooting moving targets.

It's the only cost effective way that works to solve the problem.

>>509650862
>>509651008
Also, the western drone has disadvantage. It needs to carry explosives and is slower than your defensive drone. An it is more noisy.

A defensive drone can be made cheap and lightweight (more agile, faster), it just kamikaze into the heavy western drone.

>>509649591 (OP)
No idea. Nobody knows how these things will play out.
Back in the war in the Pacific, Japanese cardboard "Betty" bombers flew over HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse and sank them.
At that moment, the battleship's day was over - it was obsolete - but it still carried on for decades yet. We last used a battleship in open conflict 50 years after Prince of Wales was sunk.
The Aircraft carrier took it's place, but now has been rendered obsolete by the same drone technology. Also, to some extent, hypersonic missiles.
If you told the captain of a capital ship back in the 1980's that his billion dollar floating city with 5000 men on it would be rendered obsolete by weaponized toy helicopters? He would have you thrown over the side.
What will counter drones? No idea. Perhaps autonomous counter-drones that will follow around squads or vehicles or whatever - even ride on top of them till needed - and then launch when needed.

>>509649591 (OP)
I don't know why in the vast majority of these drone footages, the soldiers don't carry buck shot shotguns to counter the drones. Sure it still may be difficult to shoot the drone but it's better than other weapons to use, just shoot the drone like you're shooting at ducks.

>>509650779
>Wrap drone in tin foil
>Leave gap for gps
>bye bye multiple million dollar chink crap

>>509651331
depending on the power it would instantly drop down as molten tin if you tried that. let me guess, you’re brown?

>>509651279
In WWI, the Germans thought that US soldiers were acting "unfairly" by using shotguns and tried to have them banned, like 'dum-dum' bullets were banned.
The Germans thought the shotgun was barbaric but it also had a lesser known role: Experienced US soldiers who were wing shooters were using their trench guns with buckshot to deflect thrown hand grenades away from their trenches.
German potato masher grenades are significantly smaller than a drone, and using buckshot out of a short barreled trench gun to hit a flying target is difficult.
I know. I have one hanging on my wall 20 feet away as I write this. I've tried to hit clay pigeons with it.

>>509651279
Survivor bias

>>509651634
Tin foil is not made of tin.
We have aluminum foil now and have for the last 80 years.

>>509651663
But you might as well have at least one soldier carrying the buckshot shotgun because once you see a drone you're pretry much fucked, even with the buckshot shotgun you're likely still fucked but it seems like the best anti-drone weapon to use in a desperate attempt to shoot the drone.

>>509651754
in ukraine and russia they use tin foil made of tin. and aluminum would melt too bud

>>509649591 (OP)
Drones are pretty much a new variant of artillery, bombers or attack helicopters. Hard to counter and you have to resort to hiding most of the time, but it is nothing new under the sun. Real combat was never supposed to be quote unquote "fair".

>maybe a gun that shoots big nets that somehow turn the drone off or energy beam or whatever

Yea, imagine there is this thing called "shotgun". You could probably shoot down a drone with a regular rifle as well, if you had appropriate gun handling skills, but the thing is that Ukrainians and Russians getting forcefully drafted to this globohomo proxy war have never had a gun in their hands in their lives and are so ill trained that they struggle hitting a drone even at near point blank range.

>>509651331
If you are in the military and have clearance contact ONR on this. They have done testing with shielding with things like copper tape and the results were pretty bad for the drones.

There definitely will be ways to protect drones from microwaves like faradai cages and grounding, but they are going to be expensive and inconvenient. The bigger problems right now is that HPMs are not ready for the frontlines. They are huge, easy targets and too slow to point in all directions so you would need to mass them

>>509651634
I am starting to believe you are a glowie now, only a glowie would need to cover up a huge defense flaw like the one I just pointed out.

Go fuck yourself glow niggar.

>>509651961
i’m like tom clancy where my high iq allowed me to just know things

>>509649591 (OP)
>drone made a lot of old war tactics and equipement obsolete.
More importantly, they made a lot of modern tactics and equipment obsolete.

The IS military is currently shitting itself because of this. It’s why they’ve been so hesitant to be seriously involved in the Israeli-Palestinian war and why an Invasion of Iran isn’t very likely.

I’ve posted a white paper from the US Army War College hundreds of times that discusses this topic, but no one is interested so I’ve given up. Basically any moderately-sized war will require a draft; that’s not my opinion, it’s the opinion of people who advise the military.

>>509651894
I have thought about this - there's those of us who have paid attention to weaponized drones since they were on display at the Beijing Olympics - that was a display of military power, but few people paid attention other than weirdos like us.
We will be seeing them here, in the US. I just consider this a foregone conclusion. There are probably containers and conex boxes full of them at different points across the US, just waiting for an agent to get his GO order.
I envisioned something like a smallish point-defense weapon, like a belt-fed shotgun using No. 4 or No. 1 buckshot - the pellets in No. 1 buckshot are all .30 caliber, and there's 27 of them in a 3" shotgun shell.
Using something very reliable off-the-shelf as a platform - something based on a Browning M2 receiver, or even the smaller 1919 receiver - using disintegrating links would work. Cyclic rate is rather low for your mini CWIZ but the number of pellets make up for that. It would chug out it's 500-600 rounds per minute, each one with 27 pellets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PRAjroxlJI

>>509649591 (OP)
Armored Cores

>>509649591 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=inflatable+balloons

>>509649591 (OP)
What catches birds?

Falcons (defensive drones), shotguns and nets.

Nothing better than dead white Christian men. They're not even hiding it anymore. At least 100 years ago they were scared of us.

>>509649591 (OP)
Lasers, probably.

Most people here underestmate drones. Its over 100km/h fast. Which means you will have 1 or 2 seconds to shoot them down in effective range with a shotgun. Every other countef to drones is to expensive

>>509652967
Lasers need power. Lots of it, if you're going to be burning and melting things and not just fucking around with a cat.
That means vehicular power or a generator.
If you make it small with a battery and a capacitor, you will get what? One shot maybe two? Then they send three drones.
Your fancy laser will cost quite a bit, while 3D printed drones can be stamped out like paper-clips in a shed somewhere by a barely-literate operator.

>>509649591 (OP)
AI assisted targeting built into a mini-radar directly on the gun.
>Or localized micro defensive drones.

>>509649591 (OP)
AI targeting systems + lasers.

>>509653137
>Most people here underestmate drones.
Yes, they do.
>Its over 100km/h fast. Which means you will have 1 or 2 seconds to shoot them down in effective range with a shotgun.
If the target is stationary, yes. If the target is driving away, then no.
Relative speeds drop, increasing time for reaction.
Drone goes 100kph. Vehicle is driving away at 80kph. Difference is 20kph, which is now how fast it is coming towards you.
You could pick flowers in between shots if you wanted. That's pretty slow.
>Every other counter to drones is to expensive
As of right now, yes.
The counter will probably be something very simple, which makes people fee stupid.
Like jammers.
>"We can just jam the signal with these jammers we already have."
>Dipshit drone operators: "We can get a really long extension cord, and use that..."
Which is what a fiber optic cable is. A really long extension cord.

>>509652911
If those are normal sized books, he must be less than three feet tall.

>>509653895
you must not have seen the talmud lately

>>509654044
It must be a wheelbarrow of bullshit

>>509653137
>you will have 1 or 2 seconds to shoot them

This applies to anything coming at you to kill you in a war, so your point is redundant.

>509650050
>retarded jannies missclicked
lmao

>>509649591 (OP)
Drones are crap.
How many drone-kill videos have you seen? 200? 500?
In that same time, Russians have killed 1.5 million hohols the old-fashioned way.
You can stop these drones with a fucking net.
Think about that: A FUCKING NET!

>>509649711
They can take out artillery with impunity just as easily.

>>509649591 (OP)
There are multiple venues i imagine, i will mention three:
- More advanced electronic warfare; basically "smaller drones"
- Biological attrition; think molds, bugs and bacteria adapted to feast on all that sweet sweet exposed, potent and vulnerable cheap material (this is obviously more pre-emptive and attrition focussed, it is basically meant to raise costs and deployability prohibitively)
- Pulse weaponry; be that EMP or literally just acoustic pulses, electronics are a lot more vulnerable to shocks than just about anything else, and it solves the issue of them being hard to target
- Their limited effectivity: Artillery is still lord and master of the (land) battlefield in peer-level conflicts

>>509650789
>Are you baiting?
Yes he very clearly is, but you didn't take the bait because you calmly explained it to him instead of raging at the obvious implication that Russians get blown up a lot

>>509649591 (OP)
Yes, lasers. There are already devices which autonomously detect and kill mosquitos flying in the air in less than a second.

>>509650276
I figure a miniature cwis with a 50 cal and a radar could be mounted on most vehicles and work pretty well. Could be done with current technology. You could design a drone to defeat it for sure but only at substantially higher cost, same could be said for emp hardening. Probably will be seeing a lot of active defenses like this in the next 5-10 years. I also anticipate a wave of unjammable drones. Not using mere cables but either laser signal or directional antennas focused up toward satellites.

I wouldn't count navy out just yet but we have yet to see how the hypersonics will end up. I am also curious about an unmanned sub that could emerge next to a coastal city and let lose a couple hundred drones. Without a crew it could cross an ocean on diesel, be smaller and quieter than anything out there, any submerge after releasing it's swarm.

>>509654400
>Artillery is still lord and master of the (land) battlefield in peer-level conflicts
I wonder about this. The us has all but stopped investing in artillery, opting instead for air support. With a wide variety of options including helicopters, close air support, targeted strikes, and drones. Meanwhile a few countries in europe have made tremendous advances. Faster auto loading, faster targeting, exponentially increased accuracy, and better mobility. I am still waiting to see how it plays out because to my knowledge it hadn't been properly used yet. Let alone by a country with a networked battlefield that could take full advantage of it. I don't see artillery going anywhere. But the sort that is pulled behind a truck and manually loaded belongs in the world war 2 era for sure.

Hack them with quantum ai

>>509654690
>I figure a miniature cwis with a 50 cal

Better use some laser or shotgun shells with buckshot's, than this outdated trash.

>>509654340
Ukrainians have killed three times as many russians. The russians rely on meatwaves instead of tactics.

>>509649591 (OP)
Hard countered by electronic jammers and spoofers

>>509655074
Lasers have potential but why use an exotic and expensive system that doesn't exist yet when we have perfectly good and incredibly reliable tools already? Also at present it would be heavier, require substantial constant power, and more susceptible to atmospheric conditions.

Buckshot is a terrible idea. 70 yard effective range is far too short for adequate defense and the plastic cases can not be loaded nearly as quickly. Not to mention the pellets travel a third as fast and slow rapidly. Yes you could put some tungsten high velocity brass cased 10 gauge in production for enough money, but why go through extra effort for a still inferior result?

>>509654913
I dunno about that, the US is not a land power military-wise so unsurprisingly they are not leading in such tactics and technology, as Ukraine experienced rather painfully.

And actual proper ordinance is never going to be really fast so i'm afraid that what you call outdated is in fact the standard and will be for some time still.

The only thing remotely comparable in the US forces are the mid-range ship guns, and those are pretty much never used in similar roles since ships are much easier targets at that range than artiklery.

>>509649591 (OP)
yes.

Nukes are now irrelevant because of Drones.

It's pointless to spoil the earth, destroy good infrastructure when you can send a fleet of micro drones that just airblast people in the foreheads. This is coming.

China will unload a freight container of them on Taiwan soon to show dominance, it will shock the world. China will completely immobilise an entire country with drones in a single day.

They'll then send 4 ships down to Australia and Canada and just simply park them outside as a show of force, Australia will submit and become a vassal state of China, abolishing the Commonwealth ties and becoming a Republic, Free (under China)

Once China then controls the entire Asia region, it's game on. To take out the US as world hegemony they need to pluck out the 5 eyes. They'll pluck them out 2 at a time.

>>509655403
>dErp

KEK

How small can drones get? U dont have need to blow people up to make then useless for combat.

>>509655474
>that doesn't exist yet
It exist many years already.

>>509655474
>perfectly good
Lol no, 50cal not good for such task. Buckshot's much better, they already use hunting rifles to shot down drones as well as buckshot 5,45 ammo for AK. Use 50cal to shot down small, slow, plastic toys is cretinism.

>>509649864
Why all of them are built like holocaust survivors or stalkers from half life

>>509656220
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/30%C3%9729_%D0%BC%D0%BC

Such grenades weight 280 grams, special charges for drones with plastic case even less, so drone must be big enough to carry one or more of such.

>>509656220
Poison drones have been suggested a long time already (as at those sizes and weights explosives become pointlessly weak), but the thing is nature already does that better and we already know how to counter mosquitos decently.

No China's minidrone bug-sized scout is a much more sensible application of tiny drones, as that adds a previously unavailable dimension to warfare.

the counter is nukes

lots and lots of nukes

someone drops a grenade on one of your infantry you incinerate their capital city

the truth is this, we as a species need to agree upon some rules of war to keep things at least semi dignified or we must have no war at all

>>509656233
buckshot is used by humans because of the limits of visually identifying a drone in flight. Radar could shoot them at a much longer range. Needless to say this is not only safer but means a single system could cover a much larger area and overlap that much more. 5.45 is not bad since it is at least relatively flat shooting but 308 or 6.5 creedmore is as small as I'd consider going.

>>509649591 (OP)
butterfly nets, tennis rackets, shotguns

>>509655503
>is in fact the standard and will be for some time still.
In the third world but it is largely vulnerable and irrelevant otherwise. I'd take a predator and apache over it any day.

>>509652231
>I’ve posted a white paper from the US Army War College hundreds of times that discusses this topic, but no one is interested so I’ve given up.
I'd like to see that paper if you don't mind!

>>509649591 (OP)
i suggest we return to the aztec death whistle for extra psychological damage

>>509649591 (OP)
the counter to drones is autonomous drones with sufficient reaction speed to take down incoming drones

>>509652967
Crazy how we got this incident from both perspectives on the same day.

>>509649591 (OP)
>Will there be a definitive counter to drones?
Yes, there is a counter to them right now - Striking the enemy's cities and infrastructure so they don't have resources.

>>509649591 (OP)
NO ANON.
NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY.
THAT IS YOUR FATE.
THEY WILL NOT PAY THE BONUS.
DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS
YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST DRONES.
1 minutes you're right as rain,and the next you're on fire. WATCH.
NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS.
YOU DESERVE BETTER<3

>>509657572

>>509649591 (OP)
>How to stop drones
EMP bombs and aerial signal jammers. It's not challenging to nullify drone warfare, but it is challenging to counter drones while on a budget. You'd need a modernized and bulky stockpile of ECM and ECCM to effectively neutralize the drone threat.

>>509649591 (OP)
bump
NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS.
KIKE CONTRIVED SHLOMO SLAUGHTER.

>>509654606
>There are already devices which autonomously detect and kill mosquitos flying in the air in less than a second.

What?

>>509657656
Exactly anon.
NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST DRONES...
THINK HIDING IN THE BRUSH WILL SAVE YOU.

>>509651663
They had no qualms about using flamethrowers tho. To monkeys, it's only unfair if somebody else is doing it.

>>509657731
It's safe to join military in China.
They are just glorified cleanup crew for floods/other natural disasters and save&search resscues.

>>509655420
>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>509657718
How do you use signal jammers on fibre-optic drones?

>>509657865
daaaaaaamn

RIPPED OPENED BURNT TO A CRISP.
NEVER JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS.
EAT TENDIES IN MOM'S BASEMENT PLAY VIDYA.
PLAY AIRSOFT.... DO NOT JOIN ANY MILITARY ANONS.
DEATH BY DRONES IS GUARANTEED.
DON'T BURN TO DEATH FOR KIKES

>>509657859
's true
https://photonmatrixlab.com/

>>509658170
seething NAFOid appears, how unexpected

>>509658311
>seething
>gets mad over the war he claims he wants so bad
>nafo hurr durr
>nafo = virtually everyone significant
>still hasn't won
Cope vatnigger.

all politicians are kikes, doesn't matter what pretty words they throw you way, they're fucking kikes

>>509657981
top kek. If this asian pacific pivot is real... DO NOT JOIN ANY MILITARY. IF YOU WANT ADVENTURE TAKE UP BEAR HUNTING WITH A COMPOUND BOW. WHITE WATER KAYAKING. etc etc... Seriously never join.
You're cannon -disposable expendable- fodder
DRONES WILL DECIMATE YOU.
RAGDOLL

>>509658251
Amazing, really.

I wonder how much that shit costs...

>>509649591 (OP)
>what weapon or device will be a definitive counter to drones?
Right now, other drones are the best counter to drones.
It sounds stupid, but they can track them with radars, get up close and disable them either with an onboard miniature gun or a net before they’re able to inflict human casualty.

Directed energy weapons are largely obsolete. However, a very strong laser like this could essentially burn the drone right out of the sky: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSE

In short:
A combination of ground based portable lasers and drones that take them out is the best current defence.

In future, we might develop an EMP type device but this is still a while away.

>>509658630
Pic rel is a drone equipped with a gun that can kill other drones

>>509658630
>Directed energy weapons are largely obsolete.
says who?

THE drones already use gAi targeting. They'll phase out human pilots.
DRONES ARE GETTING SMALLER FASTER & MORE LETHALITY...
DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY ANONS

>>509649591 (OP)
Bird netting.
Costs like $20

>>509658630
>>509658691
Things that will NOT work against drones:
>Pistols, rifles
>Running
>Hiding
>Throwing rocks or clothing
Things that MIGHT work against drones:
>Tank nets
>Buck shot
>Dugouts
Things that DEFINITELY will work against drones:
>High powered laser
>EMP rifle
>Other drones
>Net guns (minimum 50m distance)

Other drones can also be equipped with nets that drape down below it to “catch” other drones. Pic rel

>>509658765
It's situations like this, that makes me laugh at these anons who think a shotgun can save them.

>>509649591 (OP)
The counter to drones is to stop invading Ukraine.

>>509658418
>no u seething

>>509658712
Purely because drone guns cost way too much for every infantryman to be equipped with one and they’re not being manufactured in huge numbers (yet)

>>509658973
exactly. <3
no doubt that's what they'll be told.
Do 1 warning a day. let the fucking kikes draft / enlist shlomos

>>509658973
bird or buck shot MIGHT save your ass at the absolute last minute if you’re desperate but it should really not be relied upon
Seen way too many ruskiys get instagibbed trying to 12ga their way out of a drone encounter and it’s just not viable

>>509649591 (OP)
shotguns are banned in warfare


shotguns are a hard counter to drones

>>509659174
Russians are such compassionate people

>>509649591 (OP)
its hard to see what counters drones since theres a kind of reverse survivor bias for drone footage. we never see drones that get jammed and fall from the sky, someone who manages to shoot a drone down, drone operator missing target etc. all that gets released are kills which makes it seem like drones have a 100% kill rate and are responsible for all battlefield deaths. bigger issue is the recon they're able to give, especially as forward observers for artillery where crews can adjust their fire based off of live feedback. artillery teams are starting to turn into super long range snipers now that can destroy squads out of cover as long as they are within range.

>>509659093
But you said:
Things that MIGHT work against drones:
>Tank nets
>Buck shot
>Dugouts
Things that DEFINITELY will work against drones:
>High powered laser
>EMP rifle
>Other drones
>Net guns (minimum 50m distance)

No infantryman can carry this either.

Directed energy weapons are the future.

>>509649591 (OP)
Tiktok taught me how to build EMP devices. Its really easy. All you need is a rod and a ring.

surely they’ve trialed signal jammers? cant use drones if you cant connect to it

>>509651926
Why is he holding the cup like a dainy limp wristed fag? Was that they style for men back then?

>>509659273
true, ending miserable pigger lives is a very compassionate thing to do

>>509651244
Nah. Just have a turret with radio tracking targeting tuned to drone frequencies.
Three mini receivers spread over the surface of an APC would provide enough data to triangulate a targeting solution.
Then have a 20mm proximity shell fired at the location. Boom. Drone destroyed.
Might need to fire 5 to insure destruction.
The old VT fuse needed 155mm to be used, but I am sure it can be done in a 20mm or 40mm at largest, today.

Cost was $18 dollars then, so under $400 each now for the 155mm. Probably could get under $300 for the shell once economies of scale get into effect.

Or have networked APCs feeding targeting information to automated 155mm a couple miles to the rear. SPGs that can fire the shells and move before they get swarmed would be key. Would need a battery capable of sweeping at least 10 miles of front to make sure the targeting drones get wiped and can't follow the battery as it relocates.
Actually, would need 3 batteries so you can have two cover while the third maneuvers. Bounding overwatch for artillery.

>>509659408
meet: the "liberator"

Fighter drones.
Same as fighter planes, but at a much smaller scale.

>>509659290
>Directed energy weapons are the future.
The future, yes. Presently, no.

Every infantryman should be equipped with a 161watt handheld laser

>>509649864
Hilarous how this one pic got deleted in a fucking gore thread
I guess gay sex is truly the most disgusting thing ever

Lazers can disable the cameras sensor

I think as the drone warfare really gets going, kinetic kill style weapons are going to tailored to counter the threat. Theres no jamming the operator controlled fiber drones. Nothing can be done (besides kinetic kill) about drones preprogrammed to strike static targets. EMP weapons that everyone dreams about don't exist and you run the risk of blowing out your own radio front ends if they did exist in a wide area. Directed energy /RF handheld weapons are being developed but its not really doable becaue you'd have to carry imo a bunch of antennas & batteries. Cyber-over-rf is effective if drone to operator communication can be MITM, but if its encrypted all your left with is barrage noise jamming which isnt really effective either and if very easy to DF and destroy. Will take some questions.
>t. ECM glowie anon starting to work more in C-UAV.

>>509659638
This laser can burn through tungsten.
>>509659553
The future is starwars

>>509651663
I have a Winchester 1897 trench gun. Its not hard to shoot skeet with it.

>>509649591 (OP)
You say that as if drones were some be all end all means of war now while they are still toys that can blow up shit couple of miles away at best.

>>509659553
The things currently aren't fast enough to avoid anything once they fire. I guess you could get somebody by surprise but explosives make them harder to dodge. You can still use cover against a gun drone. Plus their power cells only last like 30 to 40 mins. It isnt coming back.

>>509659638
>Every infantryman should be equipped with a 161watt handheld laser
No.

There is no way anybody could target drones with a handheld laser and the speed an distance they arrive. It's far worse than the buckshot myth.

Energy weapons are being developed (believe it or not Britain is mate advanced than the USA regarding this) as we speak, the big thing to work on is the targeting system and range.

>>509659894
The idea is the gun drone is used to take out other drones
they are used still https://youtube.com/watch?v=As_cifXH1Fs

>>509659956
You wouldnt dodge or shoot an rpg either. Most drones aren't fast attack drones. Those are basically rockets with controllers.

>>509660095
I mean either way propaganda videos aside. It goes up flys for 15 minutes then has to come back to recharge. Waste of time.

>>509659894
I meant air to air, in defense.

>>509659453
The problem here is monitoring the spectrum here, identifying the drone. Much like your 5G phones, these drones (when radio controlled) are jumping to different frequencies and channels uncommanded & seemlessly for best connectivity over a wide band. Hard to prosecute, hard to DF. But like I said below I do think just blowing the things up is going to be the golden standard. Rather than tuning to a frequency, I think optical sensors & something like a mini CIWS / C-RAM is the best defense

>>509659956
>No. There is no way
It’s already being done, just on a slightly larger scale and not handheld.
Perhaps some sort of automated or assisted targeting system that burns them out of the sky like a miniature iron dome.
I expect we’ll continue to see developments in this area

>>509660147
>15 minutes
Some can stay up for over an hour. Electric heavy lift drones are usually on a 15-70 minute timer.

A diesel-powered drone can stay airborne for a significantly longer time than battery-powered drones, with some achieving endurance records of over 50 hours.

>>509660095
Thanks for the video by the way. I have seen it before, but didnt have a source. Good find.

>>509660264
We already know about these but they are NOT handheld, like you said.

Britain and the USA already have these but they have severe limitations, so the focus is now onto DEW.

Bring back the blunderbuss

>>509649591 (OP)
Some sort of compact, portable, automated anti-drone artillery system.

>>509659453
>Nah. Just have a turret with radio tracking
Isn't that too heavy?

6 defensive drones can be carried on backpack. No need to waste battery life of shield drone.
This ensures shield drone can have smaller battery an much, much more agile an accelerate faster than attacking drone which needs larger battery and larger explosives.
This is a soldier with 6 extra-lives.

The shield drones just need a method to recognise friendly shield drones.

>>509649591 (OP)
swarms of bee drones

>>509660462
Their testing conditions are a bit suspect, honestly...
For example Rheinmetall's anti drone swarm battery is successfull... Against stationary drones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8

>>509660414
np anon, crazy how easy that pilot makes it look
I’d imagine it’s quite hard. Interesting how the recoil is absorbed too. They have shorter barrels apparently and the shells they use are cut down to reduce the blowback.
The fpv operator probably felt like luke skywalker in the xwing

>>509649591 (OP)
Some kind of smoke spray that sticks to camera lenses.
Some kind of silly string foam great stuff that is super sticky.
So you get like a jet powered leaf blower and just add the smoke foam stuff to the jet and just fill the sky with that stuff. Maybe somehow automate the targeting or just shoot it in every direction.

>>509660264
I've worked with variants of IRCM, more specifically though the AAQ-24. Its an option I do think will be more developed but you really need ALOT of juice to laser a drone out of the sky, so much so that overheating your transmitter is a for sure. Also a huge target, & expensive. If I had cheap bomb drones I'd zerg rush that emplacement untill it was gone. You'd have that paired with optical sensors & a bigass antenna to try and DF incoming threats.

>>509660462
I’d still rather rely on a swarm of defence drones equipped with nets and guns than lasers
It would be nice if every infantryman got a drone gun but again I don’t know how hard they are to aim

>>509660687
that is quite smart.
Spray paint? Some sort of paint bomb or paint ball gun..?

>>509660687
>Some kind of smoke spray
Like a chemtrail but released from a drone and made of something that obscures vision for extended periods

Some sort of “fog bomb”

>>509660745
Hard. Someone posted a DEW 'gun' with that massive antenna and thats not going to work very well for higher freq drones ( bigger antenna, lower freq, smaller antenna higher freq). You instantly kneecapping yourself in range, power, effectiveness. Imo, the only thing that could work would be an RF blunderbuss using waveguides but the power, size & thermals of such a contraption just doesnt work.

>>509652967
why is the camera not affected by the drone

>>509649702
the thing is, many of these men that join *want* to blow shit up and kill other people "legally"

>>509653650
>Vehicle is driving away at 80kph.
you think they fight on a highway?
80 on dirt road or on a crops fields.
you are insane

>>509655403
>meatwave
is a tactic

>>509661230
>Someone posted a DEW 'gun'
I don't think anybody did. Are you getting confused with a signal jammer?
I also think you don't know what DEW is?
It has NOTHING to do with control frequencies.

>>509651013
Shtoguns are completely ineffective against drones you fucking bucktoothed retard.

>>509649591 (OP)
Unless its totally autonomous, jamming should work. Otherwise you might try blinding it with a laser.

>>509661496
NTA
I have already dismissed the buckshot myth but there is no need to resort to stupid stereotypes and rudeness, You fat brown spic/nigger mutt.

>>509657235
Sensitive microphone listening for the drones rotor noise. Autonomous drone with sufficient speed intercept and destroy with proximity explosive.

>>509661472
Someone did above, the droneshield gun. I assumed it was an RF DEW, but I guess its a just a jammer? Idk much about it, but I'd prefer other options vs carrying the drone shield gun.

How effective is birdshot against fpv drones?

>>509649591 (OP)
Who has a webm of Joe Biden saying, "Get a shotgun."

>>509662390
It's super effective!

>>509657572

war is hell, that was really tough to watch

>>509659273
like Americans

>>509652231
Vaguely interested in reading that paper; my take is that the military is sitting back and seeing how the tech race in Ukraine plays out, that there's a western interest in not de-escalating the conflict in Gaza also, that it suits the west to normalize the idea of liquidating large numbers of civilians, that both conflicts are useful as test cases etc...
Re: boots on the ground and a draft - hardly necessary if you kill everyone, "militants" and civillians alike.

>>509660803
I guess if you put some kind of foam that is super sticky in the paint balls and they detonated at a adjustable range if any of the foam sticks to the props the drone will crash plus the paint might block the camera too. I think that even great stuff foam would immediately stick to the props and totally mess up a drone as it expands but it would probably work a lot better if they formulated it to specifically stick to drones. I guess you could even add some kind of fibers/thin string in the paintball to have even a better chance to screw the props up. Like that teflon tape stuff really floats in the wind really good and would probably get caught in drone props.

>>509649591 (OP)
Yes!

instead of cope cages and whatnot,

>we tie up tech bros and use them as protective armor.

Literally just use birdshot load. It's what this load is for. But I think boomers who run Ukrainian and Russian militaries are too stuck up in their ways and corrupt to adapt

Some sort of backpack with an automated automatic shotgun turret is needed for this bullshit to end.

>>509649591 (OP)
>>509649819
Disgusting kike war. Every country should exterminate it's own zogbots starting with intelligence and military intelligence, highest ranks first.

>>509664528
>just spin around and blast the drone with a shotgun

If you can hear the rotors it's too late.

>>509664659
Augmented Reality cameras on the back of the helmet and a heads up display in your goggles could give you a good 10 second warning, at least.

>>509649591 (OP)
Drone operators all deserve the rope.

>>509664782
Well maybe but then you've got to be a good shot. And your birdshot shotgun isn't going to be a great choice for fighting infantry. It's a challenge for sure.

>>509649591 (OP)
in the future the ground soldiers have stealth field generators, two metal boxes, that are housed in wearable vest and drones arent used much because tech makes them invisible to drones but they have to move around carefully

>>509649591 (OP)
Lol, no at all; drones and other shit are mediocres and easily knocked down, despite the delusion of thé turkish regime

>>509665070
oh sorry based on a dream

>>509649675
These are dead ukrainians not mobiks you stupid retard.

>>509649591 (OP)
Drones made the draft obsolete, cause I ain’t going! Lmao

>>509649702

Gotdang. Loves me a dirty foot ho

>>509659407
Adi had dainty mannerisms and was a tea-totaling vegetarian. He wasn't a warrior, unfortunately for all.

>>509649751
You are a tranny

>>509649591 (OP)
Mobile AAA. what's old is new again. Or maybe some DEW if they can solve the battery issue.

>>509661496
>Calls me a retard
>Spells shotgun wrong....

You are wrong, shotguns are very effective against drones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCHfMj2o5eY

>>509649591 (OP)
I believe Raytheon has a few but again ZOG military demands max shekels and that is also what destroyed ROME

>>509653374
Military vehicles actually will often already have substantial power sources for their various parts. If you wanted a kinetic option you could opt for proximity fused prefragmented munitions for autocannon etc or even underbarrel 40mm launchers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaC1LTrHy0

It looks like they're just going for lasers tho.

>>509666252
Filling the air with flak around your infantry to whack a drone seems a bit haphazard

>>509650779
I think this one can fry soldiers as well.
What it will do is boil all liquids in the body near gases. So surfaces of eyes, throat, larynx, stomach, guts, lungs. All liquids a top if these organs, are going to boil and turn into steam, then its blood turn and death will follows

>>509649591 (OP)
drones will be killed by AI guided lasers mounted to MRAPs soon. AI paired with high resolution cameras have already replaced radar for detecting stealth aircraft.

>>509650779
Unless you fly under it or shield the drone in foil or a cage

>>509651634
A thin sheet of steel would work too and just deflect

>>509665259
can we pretend they are ziggers like in all the videos?

>>509660462
The British system apparently works well but it has a very specific application as an emplaced local anti-missile weapon. Supposedly a prototype was sent to Ukraine a while ago but last I looked I couldn't find anything about it beyond the initial announcement that it was happening, no idea if it actually made it over or was ever used.

>>509650276
>>509654690
Yeah countering drones is kind of easy. With AI and gpus, targeting drones with a combination of radar and cameras, will be pretty easy. The motors run hot in IR. The 50 cal is wrong though, it's wildly, needlessly heavy and slow. 5.7×28mm is more than enough to shoot down drones. AI targeting should be used to minimize the required rate of fire and save ammo. The experts might even calculate that a smaller round can be used because drones cannot be armored.

I think it's possible to make a box the size of a large PC case with a robotic gun that shoots down drones. They'll just have to take these everywhere. I could make one in a year but the military is slow I guess.

>>509649591 (OP)
>what weapon or device will be a definitive counter to drones

more drones... newer ones, specialized ones etc..

but the only counter to drones will be drones...

>>509664955
>And your birdshot shotgun isn't going to be a great choice for fighting infantry.
Personally I'd look into fitting an under-barrel shotgun onto the standard service rifle, that way a soldier has their rifle and their anti-drone weapon always available at a split second's notice. They already exist and typically an infantry squad's grenadier uses an under-barrel launcher already so whatever impact on rifle marksmanship or whatever must already have been considered to be an acceptable tradeoff.

>>509667927
Proving it to work well enough that it doesn't blow your own men's heads off 99.99% of the time is going to be a big part of the challenge

>>509649591 (OP)
Jammers. It's the only way to keep drones out of your airspace.

>>509650276
There already is for the USA. We just rolled out AA lasers to the first unit a couple of weeks ago. The laser can take out drones and can even take out incoming artillery shells and howitzer rounds.

>>509664649
>ivan gets assblasted about a video of an someone getting assblasted
kek

>>509651331
Stick a drone covered in aluminum foil into your microwave and turn it on high for 30 seconds.

Let us know what happens.

>>509668070
You'd have to put a lot of faith in the AI. It's a similar risk to a self driving car, you have to be pretty sure that it's not going to run people over.

>>509649702
>How do people agree to do things like this to other human beings?

It's not hard. Once you decide that (((they))) are not your people, they no longer hold the same position of Human in your mind. "Us and Them" is an extremely important tactic of division in order to form fighting lines. But once a person decides that they are different from the people around them, everything is on the table.

This is actually a complete game-changer for war. Being able to have minimal man-power to disperse and fly these drones, while keeping them well away from enemy fire cuts your kill/death ratio by a huge margin. And there's the added bonus of major enemy demoralization as they watch the footage released by the opposing side of their comrades suffering horribly before bleeding to death. Game-changer!

>>509659212
>shotguns are banned in warfare
>Mossberg 590A1 and Benelli M4 (exists)
Anon...
https://sofrep.com/gear/americas-military-shotguns-the-5-shotguns-in-the-armory/

>>509668618
And soon, the reaction will come.
If they cannot fight them straight up, then they will fight asymmetrically.
If the enemy has a shitload of tanks and you can't kill them, do you fight the tanks?
Or do you go after the fuel the tanks use?
The maintenance crews?
The family members of the tank crews themselves?
And soon, we will see this.
Guy is a shit-hot drone operator and he gets a thumb drive with footage of his parents being held at gunpoint.
>Resign, or else
Easy choice. Dude resigns.
You can protect your drone operators in uniform.
But everyone has a mother, a father, a family... and a mailing address.
And we will see this.

>>509659212
>shotguns are banned in warfare
That's a myth.

>>509649591 (OP)
Autonomous nano drone swarms with explosives which will attempt to kamikaze incoming enemy drones. At some point there will be factories producing millions of these per day.

>>509649591 (OP)
Ultimate counter to drone attacks is to have your own drone in the air to detect signals being used to guide drones, then deploy seek and destroy drones to follow said signal back to command post and destroy it. Only way to end that shit.

>>509669229
Wait are drones what cause the future biome cities

>>509658170
This is what they call holocaust... which is for goyim. The burning sacrifice.

>>509649591 (OP)
The cartoon/movie cut is extremely bad taste don’t you think?

>>509649591 (OP)
Is anyone going to bury these poor souls, or will their bodies haunt the grounds forever?
>umm they're slavs not humans
Shut the fuck up.

>>509649591 (OP)
I'm at Fort Drum, and for the last year, 10th Mountain have been training hawks, literally thousands of them, to take down drones. They can take a drone flying at 50 kts, carrying an 60mm mortar round down without injuring themselves.

>>509669280
How close do you think this tech is to being wide spread? It can't be that difficult, the FFC does it all the time. But doesn't it need the infrastructure first to do this reliably?

>>509670110
Meant the FCC but yea, you get it.

>>509657572
>>509657865
Watching people take their last breaths is really something else. These people died in vain because of powers well out of their control that they were doomed to obey since birth. We're just sitting here, watching people die. For nothing. For no one. Humanity is so fucking shit bros I wish utopia and world peace would just happen overnight

>>509670316
this is what happens when goyim have no critical thinking and do what jews say.

>>509649591 (OP)
im surprised news out of ukraine hasnt spoken about ukie drone fobs getting hit in the last 3 weeks. seems like russians have been tracking ukie spotter drones from high altitude then following it back to where they land
some pretty cool telegram vid drops lately from it

>>509669280
The sound of the rotors could be an easy way to intercept or track back to the source. Some kind of 360 degree microphone hanging from a weather balloon listening for incoming threats

>>509649591 (OP)
has anyone tried using one of these yet?

>>509661740
I posted this earlier, why did my ID change????

>>509650779
range??? how fast will that be blown to shit by long range systems?

>>509649591 (OP)
War is becoming a dated practice.
You can wage it without ever firing a shot.

>>509650204
Get on it, there is no 'innawoods as long as government drones exist. We all are under thumb.

>>509649591 (OP)
A mini gun weapon system that shoots 22cal could spam enough rounds to remove drones and 22 has enough range to shoot drones before the explosive blast radius reaching your location, plus 22 is cheap you can spam 1000 rds per drone and it would be cheaper than a 100 dollar drone
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_long_rifle

>>509649591 (OP)
It already has a counter, but jews want Whites dead.

Yet another daily reminder:
This isn't a genuine war, it's kikes using their media control to convince people it's a war when it's really just 2 countries controlled by jews exterminating their White populations.
The average youtuber can come up with basic hand held anti drone devices for <$100 and have them built in a day, do you really think neither military can do the same after YEARS of troops being slaughtered?

A slightly more advanced system that could be mounted on vehicles for autonomous defense using components built by youtubers. A decent engineer can build a full system in a week by himself.
DIY drone radar
www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrN_wd_g74
DIY laser bazooka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzUoe-9bKa0
Do you think 2 militaries with budgets of billions can't combine these in under a week and plant them on their vehicles?

Not to mention the fact that jews have super-citizen status in Ukraine where not only are they exempt from military service (they come and go as they please without getting conscripted), but they also have towns to themselves with armed guards to keep the goyim out.

A travel youtuber stumbling on a checkpoint that turns away goyim:
https://youtu.be/gbtGuD82DPo&t=401

This isn't a war, it's White genocide framed as a war.

>>509649591 (OP)
shotguns with birdshot?

>>509649591 (OP)
Infrastructure that blocks RF and whatever signals communicate with the drones. Possibly the ability to reprogram them in flight to attack the attackers

>>509671781
preach anon.

I hope your post doesn't get lost in obscurity for right wingers still supporting muh putin.

>>509649591 (OP)
It's very easy to take down a drone, you can use buckshot, flak, a water cannon, lasers, another drone, etc. They are incredibly vulnerable.

Tracking is the hardest problem and there is little effort going into it. Visual identification is probably necessary via reconnaissance drones. Then interceptor shotgun drones fly above the attacking drone, automatically firing when it is detected in the spread zone.

This is a fairly cheap method compared with lasers, air defence missiles, etc. However all resources in Ukraine are going towards attack drones. Defensive drones are completely underdeveloped.

I don't get why all drones are kamikaze drones. You could load a gun with a good amount of bullets onto a drone, right? Is it that the mid-air recoil would be horrific?

>>509650779
Wow this is such a stupid vehicle. Imagine how easy it would be to pinpoint this thing's location and rain artillery on it.

>>509668441
Yay the microwaves bounce off of it, it called a fucking Faraday Cage you fucking retards!!!!

>>509672065
Drone jamming was already a thing which is why Russia developed the fiber optic drone. People don't know how much this technology has progressed in the last 3 years.

>>509673461
I hate people like you that think a weapon is useless because you can destroy it.

You can destroy any individual weapon retard. Tanks were knocked out in WW1, should we have just abandoned the whole concept then? Think in terms of scale.

>>509673337
The recoil is manageable, several shotgun drones have been proven already. The trouble is aiming. Which is why the trigger has to be automated, then the pilot just has to worry about flying over the top of the attacking drone.

>>509649591 (OP)
maybe a EMP bomb can help because most drone don’t have good shield against electromagnetic attack.

>>509649591 (OP)
I don't think there will be a counter for meat soldiers on the frontlines. But drones will be rendered largely ineffective when we get more robot war machines that aren't so easy to mangle. It'll just be robots fighting robots and even heavier emphasis on long range combat in the future.

>>509649591 (OP)
Stealth airplanes

>>509655712
Wouldn't that risk a retaliatory nuke response?

>>509665259
even better

just point and shoot a drone
not that hard

>>509675450
ahhh why didnt they think of that haha?

russia is shooting down 240 drones a day
now tell me how you would counter a little cruise missile
>ahbata velocity squared
because huge wings is great for drag
>fshhh 8kg warhead numba wan
because collateral damage is gay
>nato believes what you are firing should be a bullet not a gun
tonnage of ore

>>509649591 (OP)
I think laughably huge cages is the way to go.

>>509649591 (OP)
Modern warfare will be all robotic, China and America haven’t shown any of their new toys yet. There won’t be any meat in the battlefield, and the battlefield itself will be everywhere.

>>509649751
So you think it is okay to do this to animals then?

>>509649591 (OP)
>>509649675
>>509649702
>>509649751
Consider how easy it is for AI to make fake videos like this. Then consider how beneficial and necessary it is for the Ukrainian war effort to churn out videos like this that legitimize more support for their cause. Then also consider how convenient it would be to dress up people who dissent against the depopulation effort directed at the Ukrainian people in Russian uniforms and blow them up, presenting them as the invading force.

IDK op, but this must be the worst modern war to be infantry, at least the terror factor of having a flying intelligent grenade chasing you at 120 km / h

>>509656577
>the truth is this, we as a species need to agree upon some rules of war to keep things at least semi dignified or we must have no war at all
We already did this and had this set up, and then the faggot monarchs couldn't accept that Napoleon beat them fair and sqaure so they endlessly escalated with forever coalitions until he was defeated and the rules of warfare were out the window after that. Total warfare ever since.

>>509649591 (OP)
yes, not going to war seems to be effecitve counter

the way to counter drones is to film war and post it on social media so that diplomacy rules and saves the day. we're at a cross roads where only peace and diplomacy are the answer

Why can't we just invent a new gun to counter them? Anyone who thinks you can't shoot down drones is an idiot, there is footage of people getting lucky downing them with 5.56 from their AK's. Pretty sure drones would go down easy from a 50 calibre round straight too it. So why not invest in a 50 cal AR? We already have 50 Beowulf rounds. Maybe instead of retrofitting a fucking M4 to fire them, build a custom weapon from the ground up designed to counter drones and have it fire .50 Beowulf rounds.

Additionally, have a full auto shotgun in every single squad/section. Droneguard needs to become a common role.

>>509649591 (OP)
Flak gun that fires fragmentation rounds with proximity fuses.

>>509649591 (OP)
> I see your 100$ drone
> tryna bust up my 5m$ tank
> and I play my 10$ counter-drone trap card
It's actually that simple. Mass produced smart drones connected to a hive mind that immediately detects and attacks enemy drone. The charge in the payload will likely be something the equivalent of a double-barrel shotgun.
tl;dr Drones will cancel each other out at some point, at least as concerns any threats against heavy equipment.
The interesting thing is, I see a far greater problem on the horizon for infantry.

>>509664528
>Literally just use birdshot load. It's what this load is for. But I think boomers who run Ukrainian and Russian militaries are too stuck up in their ways and corrupt to adapt

holy fuck you absolute cocksucking /k/ posting retard you would have be within 100ft for that to work, probably less, and the drone could close that gap in about .2 seconds in a dive

you
>"HURRRRRRRRRRRR JUST USE A SHOTGUN!!!! ITS VERY EFFECTIV!!"
faggot niggers have never held a gun in your life, let alone a shotgun if THAT is what you think

>>509649591 (OP)
what a strange thread
typically when someone post Ukrainian drone footage gore, you will immediately have 3-5 American posters exclaiming how evil drone pilots and ukrainians are, and then saying how this is why Americans will never support hohols, and then 30 western flags replying in agreement and saying things like all hohols should be genocided.

But since it's it's a russia flag posting gore against Ukrainians, they are nowhere to be seen

>>509649591 (OP)
ai driven anti air emplacements probably
the scifi series hammers slammers goes into this topic. drones will continue to btfo everything until a new development in another aspect of warfare counters it

there are couple counters that will become meta

laser is the easiest, as it can simpyl "zapppp" them down very quickly, laser turret can be already mounted on a jeep or tank.

2nd easiest is use drones as anti-drones or tiny homing missiles that target flying drones

3rd is have small flak turret that spots flying objects at certain distance and simply drops them automatically by flak ammunation


all are very easy to produce. if the west was in this kind of trench war the drone issue wouldbe been solved long ago, but russia and ukraine are incapable of producing tech very fast

>>509678514
everyone hates ukraine and simply wants the faggot nigger nation to die
this is the default "correct" position on the matter

also,
go back to /k/ where you belong you pedophile troon

>>509649702
They're going to take your freedom, your money, your life! Trust me, a guy who lives off of tax money. Go blow them up, buy some of our nice weapons and you'll be safe and have peace.

>>509678700
lasers dont exist you fucking retarded child, and the ones that do need a fucking semi truck to support it

>>509650616
>EMP?
Is this even viable now harddrives are replaced with SSD?


To answer the OP, it will be replaced by countered by drones. Future wars will just be drone vs drone until you run out of drones and are killed by enemy drones. Thankfully the west hasn't outsourced all manufacturing to a foreign state with shit tons of rare earth metal vital for constructing drones and other military gear, the only way it could be worse is if we did that and gave away decades of R&D to these people who never would have had access to this technology had the west not given it to them.

If China fumbles this, they honestly don't deserve anything.

>>509649591 (OP)
They should probably round up all these drone operators from both sides after the war and execute them all. We can't psychotics like this just walking around the streets unmonitored.

>>509650204
The biggest issues with energy shielding I can think of is generating enough local energy to actually generate them, and controlling them so they don't cause electromagnetic interference.

At the very least, you'd likely have to put them in some sort vehicle or building with its own nuclear reactor and capacitor/battery banks.

>>509649591 (OP)

killing the drone operators seems like a pretty good counter op
you know like identify where the operators are and air strike them

>>509649591 (OP)
The solution:
1. no soldier ever is expected to walk in terrain that is either netted over or without a personal suicide drone.
2. platoons would be dispatched with more dedicated anti-drone-drones (net shooters), or swarms of suicide drones.

>>509649591 (OP)

>>509678822
it's the /chug/ posters who post lolis everywhere
see
>>509676382
>>509678489
>>509677243>>509676651
and it's the /chug/ posters who are obsessed with trannies that they cant go an hour without mentioning them.

timestamped photo of your hand near a power outlet, go

>>509649591 (OP)
POWER SUITS

>>509649591 (OP)
Simple. We stop cutting the grass.

>>509664782
Yeah, but then you're talking about wasting another 10k+ per equipped soldier just to send out some slightly higher tech drone bait.

What is the range of damage on these things btw? For example if you poke it from 2 meters distance with a stick, will it hurt you still?
It would be cheap and quite cool if we could bring the hallbard back

>>509650616
pay attention, anon
EMP and Jamming was already hard-countered by Fly-By-Wire Drones
Fly-By-Wire Drones were subsequently countered by Industrial Netting

>>509649591 (OP)
Considering the future is giant AI drone swarms, the weapon to counter drones would need to be able to take out thousands of drones at a time.
The future of infantry will be so nightmarish that survivors if any will have PTSD to levels never seen before.

>>509679327
>timestamped photo of your hand near a power outlet, go

youre not on /k/ you faggot nigger,

saying that dogshit /k/ faggot line should be an instant ban when the 'sayer' doesnt have his timestamp+hand+outlet in a .jpg with the accusation

>>509649591 (OP)
Current gen drones are nothing.
Next gen drones will be autonomous AI-controlled and will operate in swarms of dozens or even hundreds of machines.
A couple of guys with shotguns are not going to be able to counter this.

>>509679559
>What is the range of damage on these things btw? For example if you poke it from 2 meters distance with a stick, will it hurt you still?
>It would be cheap and quite cool if we could bring the hallbard back

it all depends on how lucky you get and if the drone has some kind of 'shaped charge' or something like that to direct the blast in a specific direction

in some cases it might work, in others it may blow shrapnel into your face all the same
PLUS
the drone is going like 50mph in most of the dives it does, so the amount of time to react would be sub ~1 second

>>509679253
>personal suicide drone.
Isn't that a Warhammer 40K thing?

>>509675563

>>509649702
>How do people agree to do things like this to other human beings?
russians are not humans, they are invaders and must be exterminate like vermin.

optionally they could kill their retarded leader and fuck off from europe

>>509679586
I mean a net isn't going to stop a wire drone. They can be remote detonated. Might stop them from reaching you slightly but that's a counter to any drone.

Yeah this war is over
People are already thinking about the next war, which will probably be over Lithuania.

>>509679327
Is anime trannies now?

>>509670316
Russians have a choice whether to be there or not. Almost all of them are contract soldiers and there are very few mobiks. Almost all Russians are there because of money or because they got arrested for a crime and were given a choice of prison or go fight in Ukraine.

>>509681675
But Ukrainians do not as they are now all not contract but forced.

>>509681780
That is true. Which is why I'm saying that a death of a Ukranian soldier is much more tragic than the death of a Russian soldier (expect Russian mobiks, they didn't have a choice either)

The Russian had a choice. He chose to go there because of money or because he was driving drunk and wanted to avoid prison. While the Ukrainian taken from the streets and thrown into a van.

>>509649591 (OP)
portable "drone domes" type of tech. Builds a perimeter with combination of sigint, jamming, disablement tools, and command/control.
It's all evolving quickly and AI is being built in from the ground up on a lot of the systems.
example: https://www.rafael.co.il/system/drone-dome-family/

>>509681992
ukraine made their choice in 2014 and thought it was funny

it just came home too roost later, thats all

>>509682260
wont do jack shit, the drone will just dive on the target and even if it gets "jammed" its still going 60mph with downward kinetic force, it will btfo that thing all the same, or learn to hop to a different frequency or something

>>509649799
This in a way, we will see stronger and cheaper handheld or vehicle mounted jammers or even electromagnetic pulse things to fry all incoming electric shit like loitering munition and drones kinda like a a force field (bet shit would kill bypass users and maybe interfere with brains)

>>509649895
Also this is being used already, a wider spread fatter shotgun is sure to come for low tech antidrone since most explode on impact with anything at least against the less fast drones since modern versions are essentially missiles

Talking about missiles maybe with IA there will be miniaturised versions of the iron dome with mini missiles being shot at incoming vehicles and missiles

Tanks are fucked forever thought, they barely could counter missiles and CAS aircraft with thicker armour and reactive armor and now Jewish weapon manufacturers will be unable to put out something with the aforementioned mechanisms that is cost sensitive to put on the trenches


I bet there must be some trench in ukraine where they are having tunnel warfare with modern tunneling machinery

shotguns. netguns

>>509678822
speaking of /k/, what the fuck happened to it? it's like some glowie agency was tasked with taking over that board because everything on the catalog is just fellating the west and their proxy (Ukraine). If you post anything even slightly critical of Ukraine or Israel they will ban you on all boards. Happened to me twice.

>>509649702
>How do people agree to do things like this to other human beings?
Step 1: Desensitize young boys by creating fun hyper-realistic war video games
Step 2: Culturally shame young men for playing videogames so they turn away
Step 3: Inflict hard economic conditions on young men and glorify war
Step 4: Offer men the chance to relive youth by “manning up” with real-life war

>>509664895

agreed, they kill badly wounded men, they're no threat at that point.

>>509655403
> Ukrainians have killed three times as many russians