Ive been in a relationship for 5 years. How much worse has dating gotten for men since 2020? Is it true that even average men are practically incels now?

>>509652873 (OP)
For euroaches, yes. Everyone hates you.

>>509652873 (OP)
incels are a loud minority. time to stop the cope and improve yourself to stand a chance with women. everyone is doing it you aren't special

>>509652873 (OP)
i dont know shit about shit

>>509652873 (OP)
completely dead, especially apps. if youre already going out and having fun youre better off just meeting strangers and being extroverted. formal dating is no longer part of western culture. id youre chad, you have a resume system for hookups, but otherwise forget about it. you might as well be proposing marriage to randoms as asking girls out to date.

>>509652873 (OP)
5 years and not married? whats going on here anon? 5 years is typically the point at which a relationship ends if marriage hasn't happened.

>>509652873 (OP)
>Is it true that even average men are practically incels now?
Of course not. That's just incel cope. They lie to themselves and say they are average men, when in fact they are in the bottom 0.1% of men.

yet no marriage or kids in sight?

>>509652873 (OP)
i’m a 27 year old virgin

>>509652873 (OP)
>Is it true that even average men are practically incels now?

yessir. women are trash

>>509652873 (OP)
>How much worse has dating gotten for men since 2020?
if you would please consult the graphs
>Is it true that even average men are practically incels now?
...and now, average men are also underemployed, cant afford housing, cant afford a car, basically the average man is homeless. you need to have extremely particular abilities, networking, experiences to avoid it

>>509653134
>everyone is doing it
fact: there are more unmarried men 20-50 than there are unmarried women 20-30. hyperhoeflation is structural and permanent, but punch a pastor for Jesus because it is the right thing to do

>>509653245
>formal dating is no longer part of western culture
...because marriage is illegal. its sunday. youre not in church because the pastor is a fag. just go smack him, take the pulpit, and tell everyone theyre going to hell for justifying adultery, kidnapping of children, slavery with slave payments mockingly named child support

New Jeetcel thread just dropped!

>>509653333
> tom brady
> kanye west
> donald trump
> elon musk
> jeff bezos
bottom 0.1% men

>>509652873 (OP)
Do unvaxxed single women who take care of themselves still live out there? Hell, i can't even remember when i've last seen one from my own ethnicity in my own age bracket. It's like getting a needle out of a haystack, if the haystack was the size of a football field.

>>509652873 (OP)
>average men
what would the people in this website know about average men?

>>509653326
I'm almost 6 years in, we've just had a son and planning for a second kid.
According to the law, we are De Facto married. So why the fuck should I spend a few thousands just to put on a show?

Kill all rogmi cocaineskinned people.

Kill Rogmies

>>509653860
Huh? None of them are incels, not even close. Incels don't have jobs and have never succeeded at anything. This is what I mean by incel cope. You are the bottom 0.1%.

>>509654126
I am making a list of all countries where common law marriage triggers if you spend x amount of time together and avoiding them like the plague

>>509654020
>what would the people in this website know about average men?
This isn't the sort of thing that can be taken from casual conversation or life experience. We need statistics.

>>509654126
because making conscious promises before your family and friends shows that you respect commitment and are serious about things instead of some kind of limp wristed faggot. congrats on the kids though, i hope thigns are going well.

and i think common law 'marriage' is bullshit. its just the state devaluing actual marriage by equating being casually shacked for a few years with an intentional and declared commitment to a long term stable bond.

>>509652873 (OP)
I get persued all the time by women. Problem is, most come with baggage. Tattoo, rejected. Isn't racist, rejected. Talks about college, rejected. Career goals, rejected. Better to remain alone unless she's the one

>>509653326
>tradcuck trying to browbeat men into signing a contract that's all negatives and no positives for us
Drop dead

>>509653899
>unvaxxed single women who take care of themselves
remember when everyone went on faceberg and then got zucc'd for noncompliance

>>509654648
not being serious about commitment is a lot of the problem.

>>509654548
you sound very insecure and low iq

>>509653899
Of course when I go out I'm always looking for pretty women. About 6,7 years ago I noticed that there weren't any more out and about, of any age. Local breweries, live shows, the grocery store, walking around downtown in my small city. I see group pictures on the facebook and instabook, and out of ten random girls there will be zero or one passably cute one, who is however on her way to getting fat.
>girls in their '20s: sloppy, out of shape, lots are skinny/fat, in public wearing pajamas and hoodies with their hair a mess and unwashed
>girls in their '30s and '40s: fat, no other way to put it. Most of them are fat
>older women: sometimes I'll see a passably decent looking MILF, but it's rare and usually due to genetics of being thin. They're just aged and worn down looking
We have a societal illness due to social media, women in the workforce doing men's work and trying to be men, taxes too high for most people to have money to spend on anything other than rent, gas, and grociers.

>>509654714
Why commit when doing so brings only negatives and zero positives? It doesn't seem like you have men's best interests at heart.

>>509654262
You should.
But, in Canada, it wildly vary based on your province.
I'm simply in the worst one in that regard.
>>509654435
I might do it eventually for the reasons you mentionned. I simply have other priorities.
If that shit was free, sure. But I'm dating a disney princess womanchild who will ask for the perfect wedding.
She's great otherwise.

>>509653333
>>509654257
I am an engineer and have over 300 000€ in stocks, yet I am a 30 year old virgin. Fuck off retard.

>>509654791
>Don't get married.
>Don't have children.
>Don't committ to anything.
>Just complain all day and take no action.
You're a wimp and deserve whatever misery you live with.

>>509654806
>I'm dating a disney princess womanchild
you don't respect her... it must be exhausting to commit your life to someone you don't respect

>>509654740
you sound like you have a vagina

Much worse. Don't even bother at the moment. The 5/10's think they are 10/10s. Inflated ego is a real thing.

>>509654843
why are you a virgin? I'm only asking because I've had sex at times when I was literally on welfare, with your kind of money I would think it should be easy

Its a me thing
I just dont even consider fat girls and single moms and hags past 26. Too much bullshit at face value and only gets worse if you dust off the surface.
So i effectively lock myself out of 90% of the dating pool and that's okay.

>>509654257
incel is involuntary celibate. those men were unable to stay married because of these faggots
> For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
its sunday morning. why arent american men in church? because satanic pastors will conspire to destroy their families if they go

>>509654907
It defiantly has a vagina, probably one made by a doctor but still.

>>509654884
You're a simp who hates men

>>509652873 (OP)
Even most chads are getting cucked. Pretty soon the entire female population will be chasing after the same 2-3 guys.

>>509654898
I don't respect women.
I've been dating one for 6 years and I've grown to understand how simple-minded they are.
I wouldn't respect my dog (if I had one) either.

>>509654257
You hoes and retards need to change the fucking record.

Any man prepared to fuck a crack whore or woman off an app is by default not an incel.

Your argument falls apart with the smallest criticisms.

>>509654791
like what? of course you dont get into binding contracts with people you dont trust. same goes for marriage. if a woman respects and honors the concept of marriage is something you find out before you think about asking her to marry you. you also have to get the feel of her friends and family on the issue, because thats going to tell you how socially acceptable divorce would be to her if things ever got rough for a while.

id have to behave like an absolute bastard for my wife to ever even consider using the law against me, and the same goes for her. we just dont like all that shit and we dont want the government or the law involved in our affairs. those are the kind of values you look for or sure, i can imagine that marriage might look somewhat risky.

>>509654964
Women find me ugly.

>>509654998
I love all people. You hate yourself and think that you're in a battle against the world like a child. Time to grow up.

>>509653821
alimony and child support are great reasons to not get married. but dating is about having fun and becoming a couple. dating is like first base for starting a family, second base being a couple, third base living together, home run getting married. in this simplified model, which used to work for every prior generation since arranged marriages and dowries ended, every element of progression has been destroyed by modernity and over inculcation of feminist bullshit: apps, poly, housing, divorce all have made each base in the progression into a dangerous landmine that can end whatever small thing you might have started. theres no more security for males at any stage of a relationship. what you have you will lose just because society bends over backwards to indulge any females childish fantasy that there is something better out there she has earned or is owed. you cant get off the treadmill any more. she can and will leave you at the drop of a hat because the entire world has fetishised women to the point men are chopping their own dicks off. it is a mad world, and dating is a relic of a lost age. just fuck and chuck em; its what they crave.

>>509655124
I think you're handsome, bro.

>>509652873 (OP)
I just got out after 15 years in. I took a look, gave up before even trying, quickly got confirmed I made a right choice. I enjoy lonely time more and more, my aim now is to adapt to this instead of looking for more beatings

>>509655201
You're a funny guy.

>>509653134
>yourself to stand a chance with women.
It's that faggot pedestalizing bullshit mentality that is destroying our society.

>>509655144
I'm just not gonna be a disposable utility for women & the system to use and then throw away

>>509654806
>I simply have other priorities.
i understand anon, things can be tight these days. we had a real basic wedding that cost very little but was no less special because of it - a big tent in a neighbors field, some live music from family, friends and family pitched in to cook the BBQ etc. i provided a bunch of homebrew beer and my dad bought us several cases of bud..you know, that kind of thing. it doesn't have to be pricey at all. see if you can gradually bring around to the idea of a simple country style thing. ive been to the fancy weddings that cost $30K etc and never found them very much fun really.

>>509655035
then why commit your life to a woman?
>>509655124
don't let that stop you, lots of ugly guys get bitches. play to your strengths (money and intellect)

>>509655035
respect loyalty and a willingness to submit and please, if nothing else. those are valuable traits in a woman. if she can work about the farm thats even better. my wife is very patient and good with the kids in general and i respect that very much. shes a hard worker too, with a abiding faith in Christ. i thank God for a good wife i tell you that much.

>>509655124
sure blame it entirely on that. Even ugly people get sex

>>509655201
me too. he's pretty hot desu

>>509655153
>Living together before marriage
>Treating dating like it's a mini-marriage
All tremendous mistakes that have hampered relations between men and women.

You are very correct that dating is supposed to be fun. Get to know somebody and become their friend. You're also correct that it should progress. Being a couple should be where you decide if you want to marry them. If by around 18-24 months you cannot decide, you need to let it end and try someone else.

>>509655383
Yes, more hideous people than me have sex and reproduce. I think they really should not reproduce, I shouldn't either.

>>509655308
You can love without respect.
Again, with a dog, you can love it with all your heart, be kind and enjoy its company without showing it the same respect you would show a fellow man.
Women are just like that. They lack what it takes to be respectable human beings, but that doesn't take away anything that makes them great to keep around.
They are simply inferior and respecting them is to lower yourself to their level, which is a lack of respect in oneself.

>>509655153
imagine paying for the basic need of your own children. Messed up system!

Dating was bad before COVID now it's genuinely an insult to your good nature to pursue women in nightlife.

you are better off going to church and engaging in their activities. You may find an unpolished gem

>>509652873 (OP)
The only action I've gotten in the last two years was eating out a 30-year-old barista. It's rough out there.

>>509655510
imagine signing a contract that says your kids belong to the woman

>>509655308
>then why commit your life to a woman?
you dont really...or not primarily - you commit to a partnership to which you both bring certain things and expect certain things . if you can each honor what you said you'd be and do than things tend to tick along pretty well.

>>509655400
agreed. id also highly recommend doing something more demanding than just dating. doing something that stresses you both and your relationship will either cement you together or drive you apart, and its a good thing to know before you get married (which is when the stress often begins lol).
it can be all kinds of things - long hiking trips with camping, challenging situations etc etc, all that kind of thing. if you can stay friends and work together when things are tough and go wrong, then you can probably go the distance as a married couple with kids and all the crap that general happens in life.

>>509655563
Tradcucks like that know it's against your best interests and simply don't care. They hate you and see you as disposable.

>>509655430
im sure you had the chance and messed things up. Still not too late to get things right. If you’re tall you can’t be hideous

>>509655563
Ugh some jewish forces made me sign a contract! My hand was just moving. Let me guess: Someone also held you at gunpoint with making that baby

>>509652873 (OP)
Yeah it was already pretty bad in 2020 but it has gotten worse I'd say but I haven't been on a date for about one and a half years now because I'm done with it so I don't know bad it currently is. I don't see anything getting better or anything fixing it any time soon. But simps will just tell you to date single moms and wemon with body counts so if you don't mind being a simp and taking orders from a female there is always that option.

>>509655692
>im sure you had the chance and messed things up
>ugly
>'tism
No, it was rigged from the start.

>>509655400
no you need to grow the fuck up and grow together as adults frankly. 7 years is the first hard part, and 15 years the second hard part. the idea that anyone even knows each other by year 2 is the modern disease. 90% of people are compatible and it is just pride/ego and society/culture that fucks up pair bonding. that shit you seen on the internet, on tv, in apps, in music/books/podcasts/hollywood/porn: that is the cancer that destroyed everything after dating and its all fake. definitely live together before you get married. it aint the 1950s anymore and marriage is fucking dangerous for men. buyer beware, the first few years are driven entirely novelty emotions that never, ever last. modern woman is addicted to tbe novelty highs, but irl relationships must work every day, not just 'high' days. wome are addicted to the intensity of the beginning and society markets to them that that is how it should be--not so, it should be the opposite, you should be addicted to the person which raises the lows not pushes the highs and this mistake is what ruined women. life gets worse every year you age. she wont stay 20 forever. get a good dog for your bad days and forget the idea that ceremony or law will help in any way.

>>509655682
Best interest to you after a divorce is simply having full custody without needing to financially support your child.

>>509655466
if you can't respect your inferiors, you can't respect your own children. you are sick my friend. do some praying.

>>509655995
You are weak. I will not listen your advices.

>>509656043
it's just "advice", sukdeep

Its pretty awful. I was in a 7 year, kids etc, became impoasible to hold onto, reentered dating in late 30s. 7/10 extremely tall male. Nearly no responses from hotties, a lot of matches with 6's single moms (fair as im older woth kids)... did find a diamond in the rough loving and caring sweetie but she needs a lot of work. Wasnt huge but i put her on a keto diet and she dropped 25 lbs in 5 weeks and is pretty hot now. Spam like like crazy for a few weeks, focus on personality, and risk a slight chubby girl with a good brain and build your broad. Thats what worked for me at least. Half the 7-10s will legit just ask for money, never simp to that shit.

>>509652873 (OP)
>Is it true that even average men are practically incels now?
no but it's what coping blackpill shitskins desperately want to believe

Genuine question for all the relationship dudes

Can you honestly say that you are not cucking to your girl, at least to some degree?

Every single White relationship I've seen, every single one, the guy is cucking at least to some degree to his girl.

the biggest and most common type of cucking I see for guys like us who are in relationships, is hiding political beliefs. Not that you have to talk politics with your girl, but if you're activiely hiding your views from her, you are undeniably cucking.

You are scared of her, you are hiding a genuine part of yourself that you know she wouldn't be OK with, because you know she has the power to dump your ass or pressure you if she doesn't like what you're doing. She has you by the balls in that sense.

Again, I've never seen a White relationship in modern times when the guy isn't cucking to his girl.

I guess I'll have to do this as well, but seriously, if we ever want to stop cucking in the future, we have to reverse womens rights. Not even to be mean, just to remove this sort of power from them, would be better for everyone (civilization) as a whole too.

>>509655028
women in your country literally fuck homeless ghetto niggers. The cope from blackpill autists is unreal

>>509656580
ive never really done the kind of thing you're on about, but with some things you do have to start slowly and see how she reacts. it will take a bit of time for her to align with what you beleive but most of the time she will. if you're still playing it down after several years together then yeah, thats cucking for sure.

>>509656781
So you are saying that the incles should date those women who are fucking those homeless niggers?

>>509655892
You're treating dating like a mini-marriage and that's wrong. People latch onto someone after so long because they've intertwined their finances and whatnot. All mistakes. Dating should be about getting to know someone and seeing if you are compatible for marriage and there should be no fear of breaking things off once you realize you're not. Engaged after 2 years and then a year engaged. 3 years to know someone, and you can walk away at any point up to being married.

The problem is people want to rush into these things, get their lives all tangled together by living together, and then they can't break things off cleanly when it's clear things won't work out.

>>509655809
tits or gtfo