What's your response?

>>509663195 (OP)
you lost, tranny

>>509663195 (OP)
Shove your wage suppression up your ass you dirty kike

>>509663195 (OP)

>>509663195 (OP)
"muh free market"
its crazy how leftists now support free market and balanced budget spending when its politically convenient
you care about the free market? tell me your opinion on the federal reserve? Oh, you support it? wow, so brave

>>509663195 (OP)
what about the minimum wage?
are you willing to ignore it for people who will clean your toilet?
why do you want slaves?

>>509663355
If you’re serious about ending wage suppression, you’d demand universal labor protections, not mass deportations. But let’s be realmost people yelling this stuff voted for tax cuts for billionaires, not higher minimum wages.”

>>509663195 (OP)
(1) Repeal the federal minimum wage act.
This stupidity is what drives inflation, because the government demands you pay idiot entry level laborers more than they are worth.
(2) Repeal the 13th amendment
Make slavery legal again.
There you go. "Labor shortage" solved. Economy comes roaring back.
You're welcome.

>>509663355
I love suppressing kike lover wages, hope you all starve

>>509663195 (OP)
You support slavery and increased profits for elites who don't need it. You're a bootlicking retard.

>>509663479
>dude just raise the minimum wage to a million dollars an hour and then we'll all be millionaires
fuck off retard nigger

>>509663244
You lost tyranny.

>>509663458
The true minimum wage is 0
but these people would NEVER tell you that

>>509663195 (OP)
Bring back chain gangs.
Instead of just warehousing criminals we can put them in labor camps and get useful work out of them.

>>509663395
So you supports republicans? Hmmm

>>509663195 (OP)
In a truly free market it would be legal to hire someone to rape your ass.

>>509663640
Why do you think so many leftist organizations subsist on volunteer labor?

>>509663195 (OP)
everyone in this meme is an agent of satan

>>509663642
Yes I agree. There needs to be some market activity prisoners can do. maybe you can be an online tutor. maybe you can make thinks while your supervised. Give them the opportunity to make money in the free market in a way that still protects our security

and maybe give pardons to a lot of non violent, non sex crime related, and non drug related prisoners. our prison system is overcrowded
>>509663673
only because leftists are unashamed authoritarians. im voting LP next election

>>509663573
You’re aiming at the wrong target. This isn’t about defending billionaires, it’s about giving small businesses the flexibility to compete. Big corporations can afford compliance, high wages, and legal teams. Mom and pop shops can’t. When you choke off access to affordable labor, you don’t hurt the elites you kill the little guys

>>509663828
>it’s about giving small businesses the flexibility to compete
No it's not.
> Big corporations can afford compliance, high wages, and legal teams.
They don't give us that. They just import slaves from shitskin regions.

And by free markets you mean big corpos skirting labor laws to hire cheap labor. Flooding the labor market depresses wages in a nation that has a higher cost of living. You literally are a shill for big corpos. Congrats, lefty you played yourself again.

>>509663244

>>509663828
Im outsourcing the game im making to Pakistan because i can pay them less. I could afford to make games here in America if the cost of living (drivin up by the government) was low and if my purchasing power (driving down by government) was high

Disband the Department of Labor and all its sub-agencies.
OSHA
ETA
BLS
WHD
Hey lookit that, I just saved $54 Billion per year by eliminating a useless federal agency!

>>509663792
Libertarian party?

>>509663605
>>509663951
seethe harder faggots lmao

>>509663195 (OP)
I'm not a crapitalist retard

>>509663195 (OP)
I dont believe in the free market. It doesnt work. Not even in a homogenous society. Measured central planning is required for a functional nation.

Your illegals are getting deported and they wont be counted jn the census lol, you're losing congressional seats.

>>509664002
Yeah. You can think its a meme, but your vote dosnt matter anyway

>>509663792
The prison system will never not be full because prisons got privatized and you can't make money on an empty high-security detention center.

>>509664050
The free market works. Its government that dosn't produce. They leech off of OUR hard work

>>509664026
Nah I’m sliding down your throat taking controls of what you see.

>>509663195 (OP)
Hippity hoppity get off my property.

>>509663195 (OP)
>hates the white working class enough to tell them they’re retarded for complaining about the jobs that were stolen from them by imported brown people for low cost labor for Jews and WASPS
>be the entirety of American History

>>509664074
Thats why we should have free market prisons and free market courts
>B-but nobody would pay for that volentaraly !
please refer to the chart

>>509663195 (OP)
>violates free market
Yeah and illegals violate the law and concept of a country+border

>>509663195 (OP)
Employers who hire illegals should be executed.

>>509663518
Inflation is driven by the Jewish debt based monetary system. Inflation is a fundamental part of the system.

>>509664127
nah you're just a fag and you lost lol

>>509664148
Total freedom of association NOW
>>509664198
Unfortunately, people need to realize we live in a state. And police and law and boarders are its fundamental features. you cant go without this while you live inside a state

>>509664040
Money is fake anyhow.
It's just how (((they))) keep score.

>>509663195 (OP)
I'm so sick of the "right wing = libertarian" cope. Libertarians are LIBERALS and have never been right wing, they just completely changed the definition where economic liberalism is somehow right wing? No the fuck it isn't.

>>509664113
No, it does not. In every scenario people vote not with their wallet but to continue having a wallet regardless of their beliefs and power consolidates.

KINGS WHEN ABSENT MUST RISE.
LIBERTY IS A FALSE GOD.

That's not true. Illegals don't bear the same burdens as legal people have to. So, they get non-comparative advantages.

>>509663195 (OP)
Jobs you wouldn’t want because the require work, manual dexterity, and a willingness to start entry level, low pay

>>509664307
People want to be safe. They find this valuable. They will pay people to provide them safety

>>509664284
"right wing" libertarians just want liberty. In our society that is viewed as right wing

>>509664148
Property is theft.

>>509663195 (OP)
Kys

>>509663195 (OP)
You can have this element of a free market when you allow me to have all the rest of it. (Never)

>>509663195 (OP)
In a free market, I would be allowed to grow my own food and sell it without USDA niggers shutting me down. Nothing about this market is free, so trying to "muh free market" the immigration debate is, even by Jewish standards, low quality pilpul

>>509664284
Libertarians just virtue signal about what could be, they don't actually do anything.

>>509663195 (OP)
>illegals are only made for jobs
sounds pretty racist claiming that illegals are only meant for jobs

>>509663479
Good labor conditions tend to happen by themselves when you balance supply and demand, without any bad side effects.

Price controls usually have bad side effects. If you believe minimum wages have no bad side effects, then let's take that to its logical extreme: why not impose a $1m/hour minimum wage? Then everyone could be a millionaire after just one hour of work!

>>509663395
Exactly, it’s just selective support when it suits them. Leftists are ontologically evil, hang them all.

>>509663195 (OP)
The left can't meme, and I'm not reading that wall of text, libturd.

>>509663355
If wages remain suppressed (for those who work those jobs voluntarily), prices on everyday needs reman affordable. You don’t think the price of bread won’t suddenly triple if everyone suddenly made $20+/ hr? You’d be no wealthier than you are now with that wage increase.

>>509663195 (OP)
BUT WHO WILL PICK THE CROPS .JPG

>>509663479
>Give us more power over you to stop us from replacing you
No, we will elite purge instead and your demonic race will be purged from this Earth for all eternity.

>>509663828
Compliance costs are zero if you have race based immigration. A simple look will tell you if investigation is needed.

>>509664040
Regulations = less competition = richer elites.

>>509663195 (OP)
If a man can own a private property which he can enforce a border around, why then cannot a group of men own a country which they enforce a border around?

>>509664777
I think having some morals is a good thing, even if these people don support my rights. But i do have hard limits. Try to take my property or aggress on me? your getting killed. But i only support violence in self defense. I think we can share our ideas peacefully and win

Thank you for talking to me. Im going to go now. I will leave you with a book reccomendation:
"what has government done with out money" by murray rothbard. Its free on the mises institute website. And if you'd like to watch something entertaining, watch the beginner series on their website also:
https://mises.org/begin

Good luck!

>>509663372
Housing demand generally starts with crap homes that could otherwise never be rented. The real threat is domestic. Institutional purchasing of available properties to convert to rentals. Fine if uncle Kevin has a couple of rental cabins by the lake but single family dwellings where demand is high?

Besides, most low wage immigrants are renting properties few people want.

>>509664050
>It doesnt work
How can you know if we don’t have it? 30-50% tax burders are universal, which is clearly nit free market. Perhaps you’ve fallen for the big repeated lies that things are privatized like UK rail (95% state owned) or USA healthcare ($2 trillion/y govt spending).

>>509664307
>be a slave
This mentality is born from dysgenics; people are getting dumber and so see no other solution but a strongman.

>>509663195 (OP)
>Employers should be free to hire anyone willing to work less
No they shouldn't lol

>>509663372
it really do be that way

>>509664421
People struggle to understand that evolution and incentives shape society and can be relied on to produce positive outcomes.

>>509663195 (OP)
>increasing minimum wage doesn't make prices higher, chud!
>when labor costs are down, so are prices, chud!

>>509665262
Investors wouldn't pay so much for houses if they didn't know they are absolutely 100% guaranteed to get their money back by renting it out 10 to a house to the endless supply of browns

>yeah i care about the working class, unions and increasing minimum wage
>i also support mass migration of untalented muds who aren't qualified for their job, work illegally, are used to keep the working class down and are literally cheap labor

A real leftist would hate immigrants

>>509664465
Pigs fly and the sky is green.

>>509665164
I agree, but leftists really wind me up.

>>509663479
I want both

>>509663195 (OP)
get violated, I dont give a shit. I never want to hear another word of spanish in my life.

You niggers are back to defending tens of millions of illegals like the old days. You faggots spent years openly claiming mass illegal immigration is not happening then you finally admitted it then you defended it then you realized it drove people to hate the US government so you eased off and now you are back at it

>>509663195 (OP)
Haha they will finally raise minimum wage as soon as all the low wage jobs have been given to immigrants willing to work for beans

>>509665483
This and investors having nothing to invest in: factories and industry and railways aren’t built anymore.

>>509663195 (OP)
>"you have to let people violate federal immigration laws, don't you like the free market?!"
You faggots cannot come up with an actual good idea to save your lives

Deport all the illegals, and wages will go up and home prices will go down. Deporting illegals really is the answer to all our problems.

>>509663479
You can't be pro labor and pro mass migration

>>509663195 (OP)
>Employers should be free to hire anyone willing to work for less
By this logic, employers should be able to hire incarcerated murderers and literal children

>>509665747
And thats why ICE has more funding than all but 2 militaries in the world

Don't care about the goyslop that's killing people prematurely being "affordable". This is an argument that only appeals to obese poorfags who live off highly processed waste from factory farms.

>>509666017
Adam Smith didn’t say, ‘Support local workers by banning the competition.’ He said markets thrive on voluntary exchange and mobility. Labor is no different. If you believe in markets, you don’t fear competition, you use it to drive innovation and efficiency.

>>509663372
Now we have all the agricultural, construction, manufacturing, and entry level healthcare and hospitality jobs most of us wouldn’t want ourselves nor would wish them on future generations. Now someone has to fill them. Doesn’t hurt me- I’m an accountant. Yeah, but those accounts start to fold and you’re competing with a fancy AI program.

Covid was a wake-up call. We still love our cheap tendies but all those servers have onlyfans accounts and have little desire to hand out tendies to creepy customers. Nobody seems to want to fill that void. The ones that do expect living wages but bitch about how unaffordable burgers have gotten due to wage increases. We had a pool of people that were content earning low wages. We also enjoyed our tendies. We need homes, we have a very small pool of people who want to get into home construction. Pay them fair, and what with tariffs increasing material costs , we get a bunch of unaffordable homes and more layoffs.

Immigrants fill the employment gaps we can’t fill ourselves. They cover a lot of positions that few of us desire.

>>509666279
Yeah I don't care when the average person doesn't benefit from msss migration.

>>509663195 (OP)
>lolbergtardians

>>509666279
Okay. People voluntarily voted to make employing illegals illegal or impossible, so the market will have to adapt to that new reality. Time to innovate

>>509663372
Bullshit on the violent crime. They tend to behave themselves because they have more riding on their good behavior. Go do the research yourself.

>>509663479
>dude! We can just institute extensive workers rights while also having de facto slave labour!

>>509663828
>acktually small businesses that have single digit employees would be hurt the most by not having slave labour, not the multi nationals with thousands of employees

Leftists are beyond infuriating with their bootlicking. Whenever I think we might finally have an issue we can agree on I find they've take a stance exactly opposite to what they claim and will ardently pretend it's in line with what they've always thought.

>>509666096
Free market capitalism doesn’t guarantee comfort. It guarantees choice. You don’t like who someone hires? Compete. Offer better wages. Start your own business. What you don’t get to do is dictate who can work based on your feelings.

>>509666335
>be at a party
>bring a pizza for everyone
>random guy takes a giant steaming shit all over the pizza and starts eating it
>you ask the guy to leave because he just took a shit all over the pizza
>”What do you mean?! I’m eating this pizza no one else wants! If I leave, are YOU gonna eat this shit-covered pizza? Heh, didn’t think so”

>>509666486
>go do the research
You mean “go read a news article on the Cato study.” That study is completely bunk and compares legal immigrant crime rates to Americans as a whole, including niggers. It is completely useless for anything involving illegals but idiots and redditors (redundant) attach to the headline for their agenda.

>>509663372
Oh noes! You’re such a twat waffle furiously pecking at the keys trying to save the world that your wife will comfort in the arms of another. Maybe pay more attention to the things that really matter.

>>509666557
>responds with empty platitudes about muh free market and doesn’t actually dispute being pro-child labor
Lolberts

>>509666557
>What you don’t get to do is dictate who can work based on your feelings.
If anon and his countrymen’s feelings cause Congress to change the law, then yes, he does get to dictate exactly that.

>>509666610
Maybe you could start with better friends?

>>509663479
The only labor protection needed through regulation is to stop mass immigration. Nothing will protect labor more then making it scarce. Something nessecary being scarce increases its value, and when something has value it will have protections regardless of regulation. An employer will want to protect their labour, as it will be very valuable. They will do this by making working conditions good and by ensuring pay is at a level that protects their labor from poaching.
In the current paradigm, labor is completely worthless due to an oversaturated market, employers don't care about protecting their labor as they can get more easily whenever they want.
Government policies created these conditions, and you want government policies to be the solution?
Stupid is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result.

>>509666674
You want the state to decide who’s allowed to produce value. I trust markets. You trust government censors. That’s the difference between capitalism and your safety-blanket statism.

>>509663195 (OP)
It seems like more and more these days we get weird stonetoss 'huh?' comic situations in greater and greater frequency.
Lefties defending pharmaceutical megacorps. ISIS getting along just fine with Isreal. Communists and libertarians agreeing that a great brown flood is just fine.
People pretending the government is efficient at doing things.

>>509666957
You think any social priorities or moral norms must be subordinated to the maximization of profits. I, on the other hand, am not insane.

>>509666610
Are you done? Reaching. Using impossibly absurd situations as correlation? Let’s use your situation but assume that the guests are high end foodies and would never allow a pizza to pass their lips. Who cares if some guest crapped on the pizza no one wants, amirite?

>>509663479
>If you’re serious about ending wage suppression
>keep mass immigration
excellent bait my good retard

>>509667145
You pretend to reject profit, but you live in a world built by it. Your food, phone, internet, meds, and job exist because people pursued self-interest in a system of voluntary trade. You’re not anti-profit. You’re selectively anti-profit when it threatens your preferred moral hegemony.

>>509663195 (OP)
A government should serve the interests of its people and it is not in the interests of American labor to allow anyone to hire foreigners that work without the basic rights of US citizens. It undercuts the wages of American citizen workers everywhere that it doesn't outright replace them. The only purpose it serves is to keep wages down, which hurts Americans, something a government should never allow or promote.

>>509667336
>You’re selectively anti-profit when it threatens your preferred moral hegemony.
Uhh, yes. There are some things I consider more important than Jews making a few extra bucks. Bravo, Einstein.

>>509663195 (OP)
AN ILLEGAL TOOK THE TOILET CLEANING JOB THAT I SHOULD OF HAD!!!! I WANTED TO CLEAN AMERICAN TRUCKERS POOP UP!!!!!!

Primitive savages

>>509663195 (OP)
There is no such thing as a free market because humans are not invincible nor immortal. You need food, shelter, watet, clothing, goods and services. The market is regulated by someone. It will either be regulated by our government for our benefit, or it will be regulated by a shadow government of corporations for theit benefit.

>>509663195 (OP)
jewish business owners who hire illegals to cut cost should be hanged and their wealth redistributed

>>509664793
It wouldn’t you retard. Don’t try to reason about supply and demand when you don’t have a clue about how micro or macro Econ works. You’ll just sound retarded.

>>509663601
Shut up you gluttonous kike faggot.

>>509667382
The purpose of government is not to insulate citizens from the consequences of competition. It’s to protect rights, property, contract, and liberty. Once it starts interfering to protect people from market forces, it becomes a tool of economic stagnation.

>>509667722
The purpose of an elected government is whatever the voters want it to be, not to further your specific preferred economic theories.

>>509667461
Imagine being a failure at life, arrested for drugs, highschool dropout etc. and you can't even get a job cleaning poop because an illegal immigrant is willing to work for under minimum wage and under the table so no taxes have to be paid. American's literally cannot compete even if they want in some cases because the law is only enforced in one direction.

>>509663195 (OP)
Getting Trump and all of the right wing to be literally Hitler according to the media has been a great stage one,
But we need to keep going until we are all literally Vlad the Impaler according to the media

>>509667722
The purpose of government is to serve it's citizens, full stop. In a republic, officials are elected to directly represent their constituents.

Who is being represented by allowing foreign laborers to work in American industries without the basic workers rights that are guaranteed to all US citizens? How is a US citizen even supposed to compete? They legally cannot.

A government for the people and by the people would never allow the people to have their wages debased and themselves replaced with foreigners, but we do not currently have a government for the people. We have a government for the lobbyists.

>but lobbyists and businessowners are people too!
And they are far outnumbered by American workers, whose interests should come first and foremost to any of their elected representatives.

If this country wasn't constantly placated and manipulated with bread circuses and lies, our entire government would be murdered and replaced with people who actually represent our needs.

>>509666912
It depends on what field you’re in. There are deficits in the medical field-partly by design but in part by the lack of entry level candidates. It takes a crazy amount of entry level workers to care for patients. Hospitals get rated like hotels to determine how much the government will cover Medicare related bills. Whether we get paid is dependent on your “experience” while visiting. To improve your visit as a guest, hospitals are required to hire more staff to insure your experience has been adequate, if not pleasant. Long term care works the same way. While the population of upper level experience is limited, the needs of the patients require more entry level staff. Long hours, demanding patients, not great pay. Not a lot of citizens want to fill these positions. Higher pay will reduce the numbers of staff hired. Bad reviews, gov won’t cover the patients stay.

>>509666279
The competition in question is borderline slave labor and the markets thriving will only be those rich CEOs who will tread on you harder than any government you whine about.
Fortunately, you’ll grow up and stop bootlicking companies that hate your guts.

>>509667809
>Whatever the voters want is legitimate.

>>509663372
gem

A nation is not lines on a map; a nation is its people. Our government has seemingly forgotten that, but obviously they know it to be true. They spend a great deal of effort keeping citizens dumb and entertained so they won't ever do anything about it.

>>509663195 (OP)
You seem like you need slaves just like your ancestors sweatie keep being a good democrat.

>>509663195 (OP)
>free market principles
What are those? US govt gives trillions in subsidies and "stimulus" to private companies, thus choosing winners in the economy. They also outlawed freedom of association, meaning you can be compelled to provide goods or services to someone not in dire need.

But when it's convenient, suddenly they pull out the free market principles.

>>509668284
That is literally what it means to be an elected representative.

>>509668284
In a democratic system? Yes. You’re gonna have to overthrow the government if you don’t like it. Good luck!

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business.

>>509663195 (OP)
By this logic slaves should be legal since a countries economy is more important than its laws.

>>509663195 (OP)
Go back to rebbid dumb illiterate baboon.

>>509663195 (OP)
>this keeps labor cost down and groceries affordable

Lol. Lmao even. I suppose thats why everything inflated so much during the Biden administration and the wages weren't able to keep up. These people are so programmed they just spit out talking points without actually acknowledging reality

You keep using the phrase "market forces" but this falsely presupposes a level playing field.

American citizens are guaranteed certain basic workers rights by law that makes them legally and mathematically incapable of competing with foreign laborers who aren't guaranteed the same rights.

It's not a free market. It's a farse.

>>509663195 (OP)
My response is the country should be kept over 90% white by deporting all of you shitskins back to your ancestral homelands but I'll take whatever is available. Gays proved the slippery slope exists so hopefully it's deporting illegals today and a race war tomorrow. Oh I'm sorry did I just knock over your popsicle house of an argument about the free market or something? So sorry bro, I'm just so fucking racist I can't help myself. You probably weren't expecting that.

>>509667882
Nah. Unless you’re in the know of some horrible conspiracy perpetrated by the Right, the similarities between Trump and Hitler are adequate enough. The last time we rounded up immigrants and imprisoned them was during WWll when Jap fever forced our hand and concentration camps were built to house them.

Trump can only do so much harm in the next few years. His legacy will quickly be erased.

>>509663601
Wage is just a portion of profits that is given to the producer of profits at the owner's discretion. You can clearly see that wages are too low if you look at the richest companies' CEOs compared to their poorest full-time workers.

We live in an economy comprised of soulless corpos who will use any means necessary to force people to work in the worst conditions they can create, and they will pay the least amount that they possibly can for it. Minimum wage, especially a federal minimum wage, is an imperfect solution. Yet, labor laws exist for a reason.

Make no mistake, the reason American corpos outsource their labor is because Americans have strong labor laws. Remove them, and you'll see American sweatshops exactly like they were in the 1800s.

The solution here is not simple. It is never simple. Everything is a balancing act. If workers in America have labor laws that are too strong, then you'll see bullshit like fisheries sending fish to China to be canned and then returned to America -- just because it's slightly cheaper than paying Americans (paradoxically, labor laws hurt American workers in such a case).
World politics is possibly the most complicated topic in the world. Exceptions are everywhere and almost every conceivable policy is a trade-off.

>>509663195 (OP)
The idea that the only way things can be affordable is through corporations not paying living waves to their employees is retarded. A company that finds itself suddenly having to pay living wages won't pass down the entire cost to the consumer because that would be prohibitive to their own bottom line. There's a balance where you eat some of the increased costs because if you pass it all down to the consumer you'll be selling fewer items and end up making less profit than if you'd kept things affordable. You're a retard.

>>509668883
All their doing is getting away with undercutting workers and overcutting costs to the consumer. It's just greed caused by the butterfly effect of Dodge v Ford. Shareholders are given too much power.

>>509666486
Illegal immigration is made up of two sub groups, "good" immigrants that you are talking about and "bad" immigrants the argument was talking about. Everyone can already agree that we want only the good ones (to what degree and in what areas is debatable) and none of the bad ones. What makes illegal immigration so nonsensical is it is in essence saying to give up our ability to discern who is coming and in what amount completely. So it is completely valid to point to any of the murders, rapists, drug and human traffickers as the result of this policy which no one wanted and didn't have to be allowed to happen.

>>509668628
Inflation didn’t spike because the free market failed, it spiked because the government broke it. Trillions in stimulus spending, artificially low interest rates, and supply chain disruptions created a perfect storm of excess demand and constrained supply, none of which has anything to do with letting employers hire willing workers at market rates. In fact, hiring flexible, low-cost labor, foreign or otherwise is exactly how markets adapt to shocks: by lowering input costs and maintaining affordability. Wages didn’t stagnate because of competition; they stagnated because government policy distorted price signals, empowered corporate monopolies, and choked productivity. You’re misdiagnosing the system because you can’t accept that markets outperform nationalist coercion every time they’re actually allowed to function.

>>509666486
>The scorpion won't sting you because you'll both drown
Lol. Lmao.

>>509663195 (OP)
wondering why the side in favor of unions in also in favor of the one weird trick oligarchs use to destroy them.

>>509664793
The price of your Big Mac might go up 10%, but the price of your 400sqft apartment would go down by 60% since there is less demand for low cost housing. Plus there would be half a trillion extra tax dollars every year that we could give to Israel if we didn’t have to spend it on gibs for illegals.

>>509664821
>TFW democrats still want slaves

>>509669194
>letting employers hire willing workers at market rates
You're bullshitting again. Market rates are not "the lowest possible number." Market rates are the rates determined by the market, which illegals are not even a part of.

American citizens are garunteed certain basic workers rights that make them both legally and mathematically incapable of "competing" with foreigners who aren't garunteed the same rights.

There are no "market forces" at play here. It isn't a free market. It's a market being intentionally undercut by oligarchs who bribe the government to allow them to do it, in direct defiance of the basic principles of a republic.

Elected officials should represent the needs of their constituents who voted for them, not the needs of whoever pays or makes them the most money.

>>509663195 (OP)
oh look it's the left can't meme thread again

>>509669395
Oops forgot pic

>>509663195 (OP)
>protectionism tariffs for my products
>socialism for my losses
>trickle down policy for my tax rate
>free market slavery for my workers

Yep its American alright.

>>509663195 (OP)
I flat out reject the entire premise.

I don't argue with jews.

>>509663195 (OP)
"you're brown lol"
If I cannot have a right to segregate into a whites-only neighborhood then it's not a free market either retard.

Can someone help me find that image of a bear and park ranger? I would like to make a meme

>>509663195 (OP)
>What's your response?
You cannot have free market with an enemy.

might as well kill all your nation cause pajeets are cheaper and more obidient
but remember goyim, white replacement is just a conspiracy ^)

>>509663195 (OP)
I don't usually agree with MIGA but arguing that employers should be able to exploit labor willy nilly is kike shit, if your business can only survive on the back of illegal labor you shouldn't have a business.

>>509663372
Who do you think is building the houses?

>>509670087
Not for long.

>>509670074
Leftists only parrot pro kike points because it's all apart of their closed system where they can use identity politics to dog whistle to the government to give them more power. Libshits are the biggest ticks of all.

>>509669399
The entire premise collapses on contact with basic market logic. Saying “illegals aren’t part of the market” is a category error, anyone who voluntarily exchanges labor for compensation is participating in the market by definition. Markets are not defined by legal status; they are defined by supply, demand, and consent. The fact that undocumented workers operate outside a regulated framework doesn’t mean they’re outside the market, it means the market is being fragmented by state-imposed exclusions. You’re treating government intervention as the default state and calling anything outside of it “illegitimate.” That’s backwards. A true market includes all willing participants, not just those sanctioned by paperwork. If American workers can’t compete unless their competition is legally handicapped, then what you’re defending isn’t labor rights, it’s protectionism enforced by selective regulation. You can’t simultaneously claim to believe in market wages and demand the state exclude certain laborers to prop yours up. That’s not a flaw in capitalism, it’s a distortion introduced by the very regulatory system you’re using to define the boundaries of participation.

>>509670425
>and consent
You forgot to ask someone.

>>509663479
This. We need to vastly increase the supply of labor, then vastly decrease the value of that labor by making it much more costly to hire workers. We will then have an excess of unwanted labor who will have to be supported by the few who managed to get hired by raising their taxes. Now the net income of workers is exactly the same, or worse, as before. Billionaires and large business owners are in the exact same state as before, but now their employees are more expendable. And in return we get a surplus of millions of unemployed brown people. This is absolutely brilliant, how the fuck did nobody think of this before? You're like a wizard or something.

If the protectionist American market that exists in reality is the one you want to compete in, then do so.

Disregarding its rules is not competition. It's cheating.

>>509670522
Majority consent isn’t required for voluntary exchange. That’s not how markets work. If two people agree on labor and wages, no one else needs to “vote” on it. Markets run on individual choice, not collective permission. If you think trade needs majority approval, you’re describing a planned economy, not capitalism.

>>509670425
American labor laws and rights make citizens incapable of competing with illegals that are exempt from these laws. You're defending pinko filth even though they would openly spit on you in public if they could. You side with the people who say the same leftist talking points about immigration and the market without realizing they don't actually give a shit and are merely appealing to the rich in the hopes of using identity politics to receive more grace from them, despite the fact you're excluded from this closed system. You're what we call a useful idiot.

>>509670802
Legally and in reality, they do.

Enjoy your fairy tail.

>>509669306
Real estate venture capital owns all of the important homes. Every new house near stable employment is scooped up before the house is even built and it is sold at a ridiculously inflated price using advanced income models to maximize profit. Deporting people WON'T DO ANYTHING. The real estate companies own all of the important houses and it is too late to stop them. The best thing to do now is tax the fuck out of them for being such greedy kikes and making their business model about siphoning wealth from the working class by charging ridiculously inflated prices for houses near developing communities.

It is too late to prevent this situation. Nothing will make the prices of the houses go down, because the real-estate kikes will manipulate any attempts to regulate their kikery into beneficial policy. Like how they managed to give lobby for tax cuts for land owners with open lots (the stated goal of the policy was literally the opposite of the actual effect). It is broken and nobody will fix it. The partisan bullshit is just a distraction.

>>509666279
But it's not competition, you fucking idiot.
>employ this illegal that you can work to the bone and fire at any time for $8/hr
>or employ this citizen that you have to pay $20/hr for, pay into worker's comp, pay into medical, pay into unemployment, pay into social security, pay into God knows how many additional taxes/fees, and cannot wrongfully terminate
>this choice is totally the free market at work and nothing else, just work harder, dumbass americans!!!

>>509671305
Capitalism has made it this way, and good old fascism will take it away

>>509663195 (OP)
> Libertarian argument
> On a National-Socialist board
Perhaps it lowers grocery prices a little, sure, but also drops wages for lots of jobs.

>>509663195 (OP)
Why do you assume all people are the same when it has been obvious that multiculturalism has failed catastrophically?

>>509663195 (OP)
Don’t care, deport all illegal immigrants.

>>509671544
A big mistake is thinking corporations will willingly give up profits just because the cost of manufacturing goes down. They only lower it if their profits are effected by supply and demand. In the most likely reality, they would stay the same price by everyone would get paid a little bit less, but not enough for force any changes.

>>509671620
Libshits, want a proletariat to to fight the borgiouse, but in reality the other groups are using identity politics to get the elites to give them more grace. It's a ass kissing contest and they don't realize they weren't invited.

>>509663195 (OP)
MAGA trash (and before them "alt-right" and "neocons") abandoned their supposed free-market small-government conservative principles a long time ago.

I mean, shit there was a time when they used to say "government shouldn't intervene in private business unless it pertains to critical infrastructure" but now it's "waaaah that company is 'woke' and we should use government power to punish them!"

Fucking hypocrites.

>>509663244
you voted for this, MAGA trash

>>509666486
Then why are there all these criminals being deported?

>>509672002
We wanted a free market for whites. Why the fuck do you think we wanted a free market for browns? We had niggers in chains until the government forced us by bayonet point to unsegregate. I'm not pro capitalist I'm anti jew and anti nigger. It's your fault for not being too stupid to notice.

>>509663195 (OP)
Deport illegals.

>>509663195 (OP)
literally nothing in this kiked vassal state is "free market" the only way for men to get decent well paying jobs that can support a family is to kick out every last brown and jew

Lolbertarianism is a philosphy for teenagers that just figured out there is more to politics than just Democrat vs Republicans, but hasn’t gotten the real world experience to understand that the vast majority of rich people (most of whom are Jewish) would hit a button that gave them a penny but in exchange would cause 90% of the human population to be killed off.
Most of them eventually grow up after realizing their boss (or OFs, or some other person who got some lucky break) does far less work than they do for far more pay. The only people who don’t grow out of lolbertarianism are nepobabies who never experienced more labor than mowing their lawn.

>>509671478
Exactly, that is the free market at work, ruthlessly exposing the cost distortions created by the state. If hiring a citizen comes with a bloated price tag due to government-imposed liabilities, mandated benefits, termination restrictions, taxes, that’s not a failure of the market, it’s a failure of policy. The undocumented worker isn’t the problem; they’re simply revealing the inefficiency of a regulatory regime that punishes lawful employment. You’re angry not because the market is broken, but because it’s functioning too well, allocating labor to where it’s cheapest, most flexible, and least encumbered by bureaucratic drag. If Americans want to compete, they should stop begging for protection and start demanding deregulation.

>>509672953
>lawful employment

>>509663195 (OP)
I don't think I've ever seen so many fallacies and falsehoods crammed into one image.

>>509663601
>just lower the worker's wage to zero and groceries will be free

>>509672953
Read this:
>>509668865
Deregulation doesn't fix this. It is all a balancing act. Without worker's protections, Americans will suffer under unfair working conditions. There is no easy way out. You have to carefully determine how to fix problems when you deal with public policy.

There are only trade-offs.

>>509663195 (OP)
fuck off globalist/corpo/jew.

that "free market principles" are the most blatant kike psyop of them all.

>>509663195 (OP)
let's see you ask about where trump got the money for the deportations, lol.
oh wait, we already know, from shutting down globohomo USAID and the troon the kids education department. lmao.

>>509663195 (OP)
The market isn't free regardless, all of these companies are subsidized by the government which was responsible for this slave labor spike to begin with.

>>509666279
Yeah well sometimes voluntary mobility involves someone volunteering to mobilize a bullet into the back of a CEO's head, like what happened to Brian Thompson. You'd do well to keep that in mind.

>>509663195 (OP)
>be employed at McDonalds
>shoot someone
>get thrown in prison
>NOOOO YOU TOOK MY EMPLOYEE AWAY THIS IS VIOLATING THE FREE MARKET!!!!!

>muh (((free markets)))
Funny how shitlibs end up being the biggest defenders of (((capitalism)))

>>509674121
Nah bro you don't get it bro you can commit a crime and if they rip you from your job then we don't have a free market bro you should be able to employ active criminals bro if you kill someone in a REAL FREE MARKET SOCIETY you should still have a God Given Right to work there bro please bro you don't get it bro.

>>509673825
Trade-offs require clarity of purpose. Do you want equity or efficiency? Stability or dynamism? Regulation or fluidity?

You can’t have a free market and a heavily interventionist state without creating internal contradictions that rip the system apart. So the question becomes: what are you willing to sacrifice? Cheap goods? Stable employment? Labor rights? Economic growth? Choose carefully

>>509668648
This 100%. OP is a lying snake who desperately tries to ignore the fact that illegal aliens in the U.S. are a formalized slave underclass that literally do not operate under the same laws as everyone else. A citizen trying to compete on the illegal's level would be a violation of labor laws that would get the employer shut down.
It's not a free market, it's a rigged casino. God I hate lolberts

>>509663601
LMAO.
No one wants burger flippers to be millionaires.
What people want are for workers to receive wages on which they can sustain themselves. Especially if they are laboring 40+ hours a week.
People need to pay for roofs over their heads. People need to eat.
If you don't pay people a livable salary, they cannot survive without welfare.
If you won't pay people enough to survive on and refuse to give them welfare, they're going to die in the streets. Why do you want people to die in the streets. And if they do, who's going to flip your burgers for you?

>>509674061
In a free market framework, the only legitimate role of the state is to protect property rights and enforce contracts, which includes punishing violence, theft, and fraud. If someone shoots a person, they’ve violated the social contract at the root of voluntary exchange. Removing them from the labor pool is not “market interference”, it’s the necessary boundary condition of market functionality.

>>509663195 (OP)
I don't give a shit about free market bs.
I desire a future for white people. >Mfw faggots stuck worrying about their rectangular pieces of paper

>>509663195 (OP)
Fuck free market, fuck democracy. TKD and TND

>>509674982
Hate phone fagging so much.. can't even do a simple green text in this garbage heap correctly anymore.

>>509663195 (OP)
The response is that you shouldnt sacrifice a home for your people just to fulfill some deluded sense of free market principles. I will choose a nation over your "right" to eat like a pig with an obesity problem

>>509674888
>which includes punishing violence, theft, and fraud
Yes, and people entering a country illegally/overstaying their visa is fraud. Glad we agree these criminals should be deported and gone. Deporting illegals is enforcing the law. It is removing criminals from the country committing fraud. Unless they have some specific work visa, which 99% of the illegals don't (see, that's what makes them ILLEGAL), they are criminals, committing a crime, and the proper punishment for this crime is deportation. It is not a violation of the free market for a country to enforce its borders.

>>509669205
This is the best post here.

>>509674888
The function of a government is also to have a military to defend its national sovereignty. The reply you got greatly underestimates the severity of the issue. These arent criminals, they are invaders and this is a war over territory.

If we deport illegal farm workers we just import produce from other countries. If you buy produce from anywhere besides farmers markets where the cost of white labor makes it 5x as expensive then you are implicitly voting with your wallet that you are okay with illegals doing grunt work for us.

The only argument is that privileged people do not care that categories of labor beneath them isn't paid, lacks safety regulations, etc.
How they justify it is mainly company fed arguments but ultimately they just think
>I earn minimum wage
So others shouldn't. I feel better knowing I earn more. Compound this for every bracket of wealth, tax rate, whatever.

>>509663195 (OP)
First of all, there is no mechanism in the free market to prevent food distributors from pocketing the savings of immigrants.
Second, it's a small price to pay for a high trust coherent white country.
Also Trump isn't even anti immigrant

>>509675239
From a state-legalist perspective, yes, entering or remaining in a country without authorization violates immigration statutes. But under free market capitalism, the question isn’t “is this legal under the state’s rules?” The question is: does this voluntary transaction violate anyone’s person or property? If not, then the state’s interference is an act of coercion, not justice.

Borders are not sacred in free market theory. They’re political constructs upheld by force, not by market logic. The notion that a person crossing an imaginary line to sell their labor is equivalent to theft or fraud is a category error. Fraud requires deception in a contract. Immigration is not contract breach, it’s mobility, and mobility is essential to efficient markets. You might dislike the consequences, but that’s not fraud. That’s competition.

>>509666279
>competition is when some turd worlder gets illegally hired
Sure sure

>>509675520
If you call undocumented laborers invaders, you are abandoning the language of markets entirely. “Invasion” implies military force, coercion, zero consent. But what’s actually happening? Individuals crossing borders to work, entering voluntary contracts with willing employers. No guns. No theft. No coercion. That’s not war. That’s commerce.

>>509663195 (OP)
labor cost being made artificially low is bad.

>>509672002
>you voted for this
Yes, I did. Seethe harder faggot.

>kicking someone out of your property violates free market

>>509667684
>>509668865
>>509673328
>>509674648
>>>/leftypol/

I don't care about anything libertarians have to say anymore. They're nothing more than puppets for leftists. They refuse to oppose anything that leftists do because opposition would violate their own libertarian principles. In other words they support leftism.

>>509676497
Then eliminate the regulatory apartheid. Legalize everyone, level the playing field, and let labor compete on equal footing. That would remove the artificiality overnight.

A system like Dubai would be optimal. Everybody can hire all the cheap labor they want and when the job is over, they go home.

>>509674403
We have conflicting reasons for much of our legislation, and some of our legislation is signed without any consideration at all.

Our balance of powers is effective at preventing decisions from being made unilaterally, but it also results in nonsensical contradictions in policy. This too, is a trade-off. We have sacrificed logical consistency for fairness, as well as the tenets of our representative democracy. Our government's decisions are very frequently logically inconsistent, but the inconsistencies are not without merit. Competing interests fight for control in the government, and only the most compelling case wins. It isn't perfect, but this is how our country works.

Complete deregulation of worker's rights is a price that the American worker refuses to pay. It isn't an entirely untenable position; it would fix some problems. However, some concessions need to be made for the labor laws Americans fought for, as American companies haven't become less evil in the past 140 years. This is my own position. As you've stated, there is no right answer here. I value labor rights.

>>509672002
Chonaproved you don't need free market at large scale. You lost

>>509677477
You’ve picked labor rights over maximal efficiency. Good. Now defend that choice every time it costs you GDP, competitiveness, or capital agility, because that’s the price of consistency in a pluralist system. And you’re finally ready to pay it.

>>509663195 (OP)
NO SUCH THING AS FREE MARKET or FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES .

Those are Imperial British and JEWISH lies.

USA doesn't have a free market, stop repeating british and jewish lies.
USA has anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws that prevent large companies from forming monopolies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

"Free Market" is a british and jewish LIE. They claim this so that their banks and corporation can destroy the markets in reality.

>>509676443
>If you call undocumented laborers invaders, you are abandoning the language of markets entirely.
No such thing as "Free market" , moron.

Those are Jewish and British lies.

>>509678426

>>509669205
/thread
/board
/website
/internet

>>509663195 (OP)
For one securing our borders is not a violation of the free market, additionally we haven't been a free market since the robber baron days. An actual free market would have no regulations or governmental oversights, we have anti-trust laws, labor laws, environmental protections, consumer protections etc. These are all contrary to a "free market", the only people who believe in a fully free market are mentally children.

>>509676443
>If you call undocumented laborers invaders
That's what they are and have always been, that you even dare to call them "undocumented" and not just illegals like they are shows your dishonesty.

>>509663195 (OP)

Are your groceries cheaper than they used to be now?

>>509670270
>Leftists only parrot pro kike points because it's all apart of their closed system where they can use identity politics to dog whistle to the government to give them more power
>. Libshits are the biggest ticks of all.
Correct.

>American labor laws and rights make citizens incapable of competing with illegals that are exempt from these laws.
Also correct ,

As I pointed here:
>>509678426
All these schemas are only good for jews and Billionaire Oligarchs from London.
Who control a quarter of US companies.
They don't really care at all about local labor problems, and in fact enjoy running millions of illegal niggers and browns into US to depress the salaries.

>obviously Trump just implemented tariffs and closed the border
>so these foreign Billionaires are throwing a tantrum.

>>509663195 (OP)
My response is that if I knew who you were I'd simply skin you alive
Then I'd go upstairs, fuck then kill your worthless whore mother for shitting you out

>>509678043
I will, but I am not the only voter. I assure you that I think my own positions through quite thoroughly.

Have a good day.

>>509663195 (OP)
>Open borders and elimination of the nation state is free market goy

>>509663195 (OP)
Legalize slavery.

>>509675133
Get an app like readchan or something

>>509663195 (OP)
Chad, even if you are illegal if you are willing to work AND pay taxes when you arrive here there's no reason you shouldn't be allowed to stay. It's freeloaders and criminals/cartel members that should be sent back or just killed. Simple as.

>>509663195 (OP)
>MUH FREE MARKET PRINICPLES
The Usa is a country not a commercial zone, we don't have to worship your gay "free" market or GDP. Go suck Elon's cock with the rest of the Indians.

>>509663195 (OP)
The repercussions of changing a country's demographics far outweigh any potential economic benefit of bringing third worlders in by the millions.

>>509663195 (OP)
You're here illegally, therefore cannot legally get a job.

/thread

What does deporting the Mexicans even matter when the orange retard is bringing in millions of jeets to make up for them anyway?

>>509663195 (OP)
All those who hire illegals must be deported, stripped of their property, and then bombed in whatever country we send them to.

>>509679679
If every transaction is voluntary, one could argue that an individual choosing to sell themselves into bondage, in exchange for debt forgiveness or survival, constitutes a voluntary contract. Under this free market capitalism, slavery is just another form of labor agreement. You work for someone, they house you, feed you, and own your time.

>>509663195 (OP)
ope, what do we have here, a leftist meme?let me grab my reading glasses and a glass of water, I'll give my opinion after I finish reading

>>509680418
You are saying you will forgo maximum wealth, competition, and labor fluidity to preserve a certain national character, even if it’s inefficient, even if it shrinks GDP, even if it limits freedom.

>>509680610
He is?

>>509676443
I the citizen did not consent to having my home turned into an economic zone. I did not consent to you transforming the place of my inheritance to your personal shopping center. This war is against you.

>>509680610
Would much rather have mexicans than jeets

>>509681783
True ownership and control reside only in private property rights, not in nebulous collective abstractions like “the nation.” The state’s claim to land is a coercive fiction enforced by monopoly on violence, not a genuine property right. You have no inherent ownership of a country as a whole, only over the private property you legitimately possess and control. So, if you want to defend “your home,” defend your private property, not a political entity that exists because of coercive state power.

We need to increase the cost of labor and decrease the cost of rent. There are two ways to do this. One is to decrease the number of low skilled labor, the other is to start killing billionaires. Personally I'm more in favor of the second option, but I'm not going to pretend that the first doesn't solve these specific problems (it's just an unethical solution by comparison)

>>509682102
Excuse yourself liar. Your bullshit libertarianism is an abstraction against the natural state of man. YOU did not choose or censent to be born. YOU did not will yourself into existence. YOUR life and everyone elses life already has been paid for, given, and ultimately marked with the weight of your lineage. This isnt abstraction, this is the unadulterated truth. You never belong to yourself or your sinful procivilities. You always belonged to God and your people and to separate yourself from him and your kin places you as our adversary. This is our nation, it is our inheritance it is our blood and you call yourself an alien to us.

>>509663195 (OP)
>What's your response?
I'd shoot you in the head.

>>509663195 (OP)
BASED. Trust the plan. Trump Daddy knows best,

>>509663195 (OP)
The free market cannot exist in the real world, and at best serves as a hypothetical environment for theory crafting. Libertarians trying to push a true free market should be mocked like how redditors say true communism has never tried before. Nations should have the duty of creating a fair market that puts consumers and workers (aka, their constituents) first. Like most things in life, finding the balance is typically the answer.

>>509683101
Your claim to ownership based on blood, God, or lineage is economically irrelevant unless it’s backed by enforceable property rights and demonstrated control over assets. Markets don’t care about ancestry, they care about clear title, voluntary exchange, and enforceable contracts. If you say “this is our nation, our inheritance,” but can’t prove ownership through market mechanisms, deeds, defense, productive use, it’s just noise. Birthright has no market value unless it’s converted into capital, and divine mandate carries zero weight in a system where only transactional legitimacy counts. The market recognizes property, not poetry; capital, not creed. If your collective identity can’t compete, enforce, or trade, then the market will dissolve it without apology. In a truly free system, you don’t inherit your nation, you buy, build, or defend it. Everything else is unpriced sentiment.

>>509672002
>MAGA trash (and before them "alt-right" and "neocons") abandoned their supposed free-market small-government conservative principles a long time ago.
You can shove that Jewish horseshit where it belongs.
>Free Market
Yes, let us rape your family businesses with our kike investment firms and steal all commercial real estate from the nation.
>Small Government
Yes, let us rape your citizenry and take over all of your academic, political offices, and police/military forces.
>Conservative principals
Neuter your ideology to some socially reductionist, mental midget exercise in justifying why you can't do anything to protect your nation or personal interests. Fuck you to hell. We're National Socialists, Syndicalists, Fascists, Populists, Nationalists, and all around bad ass mother fuckers that will destroy you and reclaim our nation for our people.

>>509663195 (OP)
Robots

>>509683813
>it isnt supported by market forces.
Because your market forces are a jewish abstraction. When the money becomes insolvent and the debt system crushes under its own weight, what standing army will defend the satanic "free" world? Out of a sense of honor that you already replaced with "market incentives"? Blood is what buys the world and it will buy it again.

>>509663479
>labor protections
Yeah, protect labor by removing the filthy scabs the corpos use to suppress our wages

>>509683813
doesnt the welfare state violate the free market first and foremost?
i thought it was commonly accepted amongst liberty minded people that you can either have open borders or a welfare state, but you cannot have both

the capitalist hates the laborer so he imports slaves to save money

the capitalist hates the consumers so he imports anyone he can to consume

the capitalist runs to another country for a new enterprise

>>509672002
>MAGA trash (and before them "alt-right") abandoned their supposed free-market small-government conservative principles a long time ago.
Yeah that was before we figured it out about jews. Now we're still pro-market, after jewish sociopathy and loxism is first addressed. Problem?

>>509663195 (OP)

>>509663195 (OP)
Reading this thread just made me realize that jews, capitalists, and commies alike would all make excellent fuel for a burning pit. There's one thing that all of these rotten scoundrels lack in equal measure: loyalty. I want Nationalism; I want a people; I want a government that protects its people; I want loyalty from a society that should be mine. All three of you are my enemy.