>German government creates extremely restrictive laws
>Engineer makes something that fits within those laws
>German government bans it right before the first batch arrives
>He has to divert the whole first batch to the US to try and recoup money
>Oops, he's one of the most famous people on the Internet
>Shills swarm every thread about it to try and blame gun laws on the people like Joerg who try to comply with the laws
>At the same time as they are doing this, they are loosening the laws on police carrying stun guns "for their safety"

>>509702490 (OP)
What is it?

>Dude literally shows off loopholes in laws
>State fixes loopholes
>Jörg Angry

>>509702602
It's an airgun that fires blowgun darts. The CO2 cartridge goes in the grip. Fires in DA/SA and is top-break (sexy). There is also an all metal one being prototyped.

>>509702602
Looks like it's a needle gun. I wonder if it can be used for tranquilizers.

>>509702700
It has a 9mm bore, so it could hypothetically be loaded with a bunch of custom projectiles

>>509702490 (OP)
GUN CONTROL USA
many redpills for debating

>>509702490 (OP)
what the fuck is with that grip angle?

>>509702490 (OP)
GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET
learn the rules

>>509702602
the niggerblaster 5000

>>509702668

Germans deserve to be raped by Muslims and blacks

You guys wtf since wjem wss literally breaking the law illegal ?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fy_g2RmqMZ0
Just shy of 400 fps

>>509702602
an big iron

>>509702952
>negerbläster 5000
fixed

>>509702490 (OP)
RIP JStark. they killed him for making the FGC9

>>509703079
It was made specifically to comply with German law.
They changed the law because he tried to comply with it.

>>509702490 (OP)
>German government

>>509702490 (OP)
I was watching a bong show for some reason, and a lady trying to protect her house from intruders ran outside shooting an air gun at them. Do eurofags really? It's hilarious to watch English shows, they nearly all make comments about Americans and guns. Cucked faggots lol

>>509703674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esTHDX4D7xQ

It's focusing all the energy into a very narrow surface area and it's a hardened steel rod, so it gets good penetration.

>>509703763
kinda based

>>509702668
>Dude literally shows off loopholes in laws
Following the laws isn't finding a loophole.

>>509703951
Definitely grabbing one if I see them on sale here.
Maybe give one to my father as a gift. He loves that kind of thing.

>Go 65 mph where speed limit is 65 mph
>Cop pulls you over, reduces the speed limit to 50 mph and gives you a ticket
>"Durrr shouldn't have been using loopholes"

>>509704456
>He deserved it for having a red car

>>509705090
I'll continue talking about it for as long as I want, glowie.

>>509705528
>I'll continue talking about it for as long as I want, glowie.
He probably thinks you're using a loophole.

>>509705810
It's not like me owning this would make any difference.
My go-to handgun goes through most soft body armour and I aim for the dick anyway.

>>509702736
Seems interesting as a tool. Looks cheap like a Taurus Judge. Might get one. Judges are good for snakes and scorpions. I don't trust them enough to carry to loaded and usually just have them in the UTV center console next to their shells. Maybe this could be better done if it has a pellet load, as less noisy. Which would be nice.

>>509706023
Hypothetically this would be safer to carry because you can keep the CO2 cartridge in the grip without twisting the knob all the way to pierce it.
Little shotshells for them would be fun.

>>509705999
>It's not like me owning this would make any difference.
Still looks fun.

>>509706109
Exactly. To me this would just be fun. I think that's what makes banning them so frustrating. Complying with the law made it a toy by default and it still wasn't enough.

>>509702490 (OP)
Bro got circumcised by bureaucracy

>>509702602
CO2 blow dart gun. AKA preexisting technology.

>>509702878
You can only fire it from a sieg heil

>>509706076
I don't have a huge reason to carry either, as a snake, scorpion isn't super pressing time wise. I sometimes carry a judge in a hostler that holds shells on the outside. I wish they legalized SBRs so I could just get a single shot one like a flair gun.

>>509706447
When it comes to small arms, it's very rare to get anything truly new. There are only so many ways to skin a cat.

>>509706550
SBR's and SBS's are one of the few places Canucks have it better.
We get all sorts of wacky shit because of it.
Look at this thing, lmao
https://www.tacticalimports.ca/nonrestricted-firearms-c-1/tr410-p-851.html

>>509706673
Realistically I would probably be better off with sbrs than semi auto rifles. Like on a practical standpoint. Still need pistols though.

>>509702679
Based and enforced vaccinationmaxxed.

>>509706836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc

>>509706591
Sweet summer child. This is old stuff that's been done and redone many times. is it cool? Yes. These things are kind of niche so I don't blame you for no prior exposure. The issue is that Joerg made normies aware of such things and it's a problem as you can see.

>>509706896
+1

>>509706907
>The issue is that Joerg made normies aware of such things and it's a problem as you can see.
The solution is for them to take their government back.

>>509707484
Right but at that point just own real guns. The problem I have is that all these niche cool things need to stay that way and off the radar.

>>509707582
>Right but at that point just own real guns. The problem I have is that all these niche cool things need to stay that way and off the radar.
You forgot to change your flag back, herr officer.
We have a saying in the country you are pretending to be from. When it's time to bury your guns, it's actually time to dig up your guns.

>>509707743
The worst part of this all is that Joerg's gun is really of questionable lethality for several reasons. But now too many people know about it and the government is cracking down on it. Airguns lack real lethality for a lot of reasons. It's not reasonable to see them regulated like this and I don't want to see that. But now we are. I am trying to provide practical advice.

>>509708083
>It's not reasonable to see them regulated like this
well maybe you can switch your flag back to the german one and do something about this government overreach.

>>509708083
Your "practical advice" is hiding like a coward and hoping the jackboot misses your neck. You are the exact kind of pathetic cuck the government loves.

>>509708145
You know here in America they target airguns in more liberal states. By trying to keep this shit on the DL I am helping you, you mong.

>>509708227
The Canadian government even wants to ban airsoft.

>>509702668
>following the law is a loophole

>>509702490 (OP)
OP is a shilling jeet. Sprave is sitting on 150k units that he wants to sell in the US after they were banned in Germany.

>>509708260
Well it's easier to keep shit on the DL than start a revolution, so why not just do that? I didn't say don't do cool things for fun, I said keep it on the DL. That's just like etiquette.

>>509708227
>You know here in America they target airguns in more liberal states
Yeah?

>>509708382
>Speaking out against government abuse makes you a shill
>Only real Anons are would want the government to stomp all over people

>>509708401
>Well it's easier to keep shit on the DL than start a revolution
It's easier to be property than to be free. You know where you stand.

>>509702668
Humans are entitled to self-defense you retarded Christcuck morality.

>>509709301
Jesus told his followers to buy swords and to sell the clothing off their own back if they didn't have enough money for one.

>>509702602
it's an air pistol that can defeat body armor.
better than 9mm

You guys would probably be also interested in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHzuz09l41U

>>509709354
I hate Christcucks and their retarded incoherent literature with a passion.
Yeah, yeah, and I can find 50 other passages that preach submission and meekness.

Warlike Christcucks are kind of like peaceful Muslims in a way.

>>509709532
>it's an air pistol that can defeat body armor.
>better than 9mm
That's... not saying much.

>>509706907
>Sweet summer child.
Holy fucking Reddit...

>>509702490 (OP)
This is identical to right wing political activism in Canada:
>right wing activists push an idea
>the idea becomes illegal to say due to new hate speech legislation or interpretations in court
>right wing activists begin to organize
>CSIS, CSE, RCMP release new report saying that the #1 threat in the country are any individuals with right wing beliefs organizing in the exact style that activists just began organizing in
>right wing activists propose changes to how government could be run
>parliament passes a law stating that ANYONE who wants to change the functions of government is now the new #1 threat and CSIS and the RCMP agree
>right wing activists start redpilling people on pizzagate type conspiracy theories
>CSIS and the RCMP are courageously on their tale to surveill, dox and harass anyone who dares to redpill people on pizzagate.

Everything I just mentioned literally happened all out in the open and they bragged about it. Never forget: the #1 objective of Canada’s intelligence agencies is to persecute ANYONE who is even SUSPECTED of believing in pizzagate conspiracy theories…

Think about that.

Didn't Germany have to disarm after ww1? Is that why lawmakers couldn't properly document the law they wanted to enforce?

>>509702490 (OP)
He disowned his own right wing viewers and shilled for niggers and muslims. He's your dime in a dozen über cucked Kraut, who's been utterly buck broken from early childhood by the jewish run anti-German institutions of his country. He's just slightly libertarian when it comes to guns, other than that he's your average shitlib who always votes against his own ethnic self interest.

>>509702736
The needle is exponentially more effective than anything else you could load for reasons that should be obvious.

>>509711731
>words
thanks... and buh bye huh huh huh

>>509709655
most Europeans that fought wars in last 1600 years were Christians


fuck off and die

>>509709532
>Defeat
It can wound through soft armor at a range you could piss across.

It's good to arm yourself and it's a cool weapon but let's not go crazy. A 9mm pistol is an exponentially better weapon for nearly any situation.

>>509702668
disgusting kike

>>509709655
>If you post the correct interpretation of a passage I'll just misinterpret 50 others
That's a weird thing to brag about.

Meanwhile your people:

>>509708083
>Airguns lack real lethality for a lot of reasons
Any faggot can put together an airgun capable of firing a full size arrow at above 400fps, enough to put an inch wide broadhead straight through two grown men.

>>509702602
The CIA (or what preceded it) tried and failed to make one back in WWII I imagine the jews don't like being shown up. Being "smart" is important for their ego.

>>509706023
>>509706076
The entire point of the German's design is that it maximizes penetration with the unbelievably low energy allowed by German law. A larger projectile or multiple projectiles, literally anything but a long narrow steel needle would be garbage.

>>509702668
My fellow Americans seethe at you because we live in a jewish hell state where morality and law are seen as competing interests. We hold law superior because we are wicked. In fact we even had a clause for this in our bill of rights

>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Which is to say,
>feds can't do shit.

Yet here we are, disobeying the spirit and the letter of our law trying to tell you that "loopholes" are legal, as if we know the first thing about any law.

>>509702679
So its a toy? Who cares

Police is scared, it goes through bulletproof wests. They even demoed the dangers of the gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCG1OL_xEas

>>509714591
>Der hat nicht alle Latten am Zaun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdDWpF0l08U

>>509703338
You're a slick slut.

>>509713236
they tested it on body armor

>>509713543
Haha, no.

>>509709532
not if the body armor is metal plate.

>>509716107
5.7mm ammo was explicitly designed to penetrate body armor but even that caliber was a failure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_maqGBFiNUc
you either have a very small caliber that can penetrate body armor but leaves no damage at all or a large caliber that can't penetrate but leaves big damage. a large caliber still has better concussion damage. you can't have both. accupuncture needles are nice but they won't leave damage even when hitting vital parts.

>>509714591
that looks like it just makes people angrier

>>509717279
go stab yourself with one of those needles that he's using.

>>509702490 (OP)
Stop spamming the board with the same thread every day.
>>509652581
>>509619245
>>509572760
>>509546781

>>509708382
Of course he wants to sell them. The Jewish German government fucked him over for following the laws they themselves wrote.
>>509718376
This is a good thread.

>>509719142
buy it then, he already annouced that he will ship it to the US. german gun laws can't be that bad if selling it here came into consideration. he doesn't even consider to sell it somewhere else in europe. he advertised the deadliness on youtube before the gun was even approved. he has only himself to blame for this debacle.

>>509704096
>>509708299
That's literally what loophole means

>>509719398
Shut up BND kike.
>>509719424
>following the law is a loophole

>>509702490 (OP)
That thing is underwhelming anyways, I'm sticking to his repeating crossbows

>>509719452
>following the law is a loophole
Yes, a loophole is an omission or ambiguity in a legal document that allows the intent of the document to be evaded

>>509702490 (OP)
I love that guy
>LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES

>>509719703
Ok cool, so I'm glad we can agree. The intent of the law is "you are a subject of the state and are not allowed any means to defend yourself," so him making something to defend himself while following the law is considered a "loophole" by people like you.

>>509719758
Nigger, look up the definition of "loophole", stop moving the goalpost

>>509719842
>says I'm moving the goalpost
>when he's the one redefining laws to mean things they don't
Get off your VPN, German BND nigger.

>>509719964
>it's a loophole
>HURRDURR FOLLOWING THE LAW IS NOT A LOOPHOLE HURRDURR
>gets told the literal definition of loophole
>N-NIGGER!
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/loophole

>>509719964
you are the VPN jeet, working for the same media agency like the OP or you're the same person

>>509702490 (OP)
kikes kikes kikes

>>509702490 (OP)
this nigga is a gem though he should've moved to the US long ago, germany is browned just like US at this point so it doesn't matter

>>509720317
cope BND nigger
>>509720387
this

how do we get machineguns in the hands of every day patriotic germans? cant some based ukraine nazis drive truckloads of AKs into germany and hand them out to the AFD and other based krauts so they can start marching in berlin and taking back their country?

>>509720538
>hand them out to the AFD

I for one think anti-Joerg niggers glow and that glowniggers should be legally executed with CO2 dart guns for their shilling crimes

>>509706543
>You can only fire it from a sieg heil
based

>>509709354
>Jesus told his followers to buy swords and to sell the clothing off their own back if they didn't have enough money for one.
Yea at the time there was still lions and bears in that part of the world so carrying a sword while traveling around didn't necessarily mean what you think. Also if you actually read Luke's account it says he did it specifically to fulfill some Old Testament prophecy related to the Messiah. (Luke 22:36,37) So your interpretation is suspicious and on shaky grounds.

>>509720538

>>509702490 (OP)
It's amazing how efficient a government can be when it comes to oppressing it's populace yet be so inefficient in virtually everything else.

>>509720464
nobody will buy his overpriced crap there. they have better products on the market in the US if you look at american air gun channels. having the limited german market is a synergy in which the fatty can thrive. he basically just resells shit from turkey and keeps the bigger air valves in the box.

>>509720538
will happen 2 weeks after you have done anything about your kike infestation

>>509702668
Germonkeys are the cattle to be culled, giving them guns would be counter productive.

>>509702668
kill yourself my guy.
the law has been amended and now says you have to suck my dick before you shoot yourself.

>>509702490 (OP)
Just be thankful that there's good people out there making laws to keep you safe. Don't forget you're here forever. Paying tax to criminals who are laughing at you. Don't miss your shift tomorrow. Rajeesh go to Indian wedding for all day paid leave.

>>509703387
Wait what the fuck is this????

Once again Europe wants a hot war with Russia right now over Ukraine. The same European countries that ban their own citizens from owning what basically a toy gun

I want a gun I can shoot geckos with indoors. Some kind of pellet gun that will decimate a gecko but not damage my walls.

>>509721927
youre gonna be hard fought for that, even if you have stone walls

>>509721927
are geckos dangerous

>>509719842
He.. wasn't? In your own words you said a loophole is what allows the intent of the document to be evaded. What other intent could there be in this context? If you're jewish you're not a very good one. You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.

>>509702490 (OP)
>grip at ~45° angle
I'm questioning the ergonomics of this contraption.

>>509702490 (OP)
Bump for based leaf who keeps making based Sprave threads.

>>509721893
a jew having fun?

>>509721927
.410 loaded with rock salt? But what stops you from just scooping them up, is your ceiling at five meters or something so you can't just whack them with a broom handle?

>>509721927
high-end bug-a-salt

>>509716107
That's what I said retard. It can shallowly penetrate through IIIA panels at piss distance.
Like a fucking arrow can.

>>509717279
5.7 copper solids, not even the military grade AP shit, just copper solids, will penetrate IIIA body armor when fired out of a pistol and retain enough energy to pass a foot into the body.

9mm spear point copper solids can also achieve this out of a pistol length barrel. Paul Harrell was able to put a fort Scott munitions TUI, which is available commercially, straight through a IIIA panel on a IIA panel out of a 9mm pistol.


The idea that "concussion" from bullets is a reliable way to incapacitate is a fanciful myth. 44 magnum produces less than 40mm of deformation in a IIIA soft panel, the only case I've ever even been able to find where someone died through an NIJ certified piece of armor that was not penetrated was an impact that produced 120mm of deformation directly above the heart.

>>509703763
...so it pokes a clean round hole in the target? Good luck stopping a charging feral pavement ape on meth with that.
>but he'll bleed out three hours later
Yes that'll help you right now when he's about to sink a knife in your kidney.

>>509703763
Coat them in poison and this is some shit straight out of Dune.

>>509722422
Why would ergonomics matter for a toy? Its cool.

>>509708083
>Airguns lack real lethality for a lot of reasons
Frogs used airguns in warfare back in napoleonic times in small amounts, even distributed them to designated marksmen. But then again actual guns have come a long way since then.

>>509716463
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGMTEOcCyZw&pp=ygUSSm9lcmdzcHJhdmUgYWlyZ3Vu

Here you go retard.
There are seventy caliber slug firing airguns on the market that can get nearly to 900fps, there are 1700fps .177 pellet guns, and there are commercial air bows that have cracked 600fps.

Joerg sprave was able to create an airgun that punctured a quarter inch of high hardness steel in his fucking garage out of hardware store parts.

>>509702490 (OP)
Neat Toy.

>>509722851
the concussion doesn't kill but it will immobilize the target. you can see in paul's video that the meat target is hardly damaged. these 5.7mm rounds are just small stingers that don't immediately kill. the target will bleed out over a span of time just like getting hit by a .22 and won't be incapacitated.

>>509704228
Are you guys even allowed to buy fancy BB guns?

>>509723038
While obviously you want the most damaging weapon possible and obviously a much more powerful weapon is possible to build, let's not pretend that having several five inch long steel needles sunk all the way into your body is not immediately debilitating in the majority of cases.
Joerg's first spear pistol designs had something like ten times the power per shot and he built those out of spare shit he had lying around.

This weapon proves a point, that even at the pitiful energy limits of German airgun laws, a lethal weapon is easily possible.

>>509714591
a FUCKING needle

>>509723410
>the concussion doesn't kill but it will immobilize the target
Statistically untrue. This is a myth everyone says but it basically never happens ever.

>you can see in paul's video that the meat target is hardly damaged. these 5.7mm rounds are just small stingers that don't immediately kill. the target will bleed out over a span of time just like getting hit by a .22 and won't be incapacitated.
Immediate kills come from shot placement and only from shot placement.
A shot to the lungs or heart or spine or brain stops a target quickly, every other location is just you waiting for blood loss or hoping pain collapses them. Men have walked through half a dozen 45 ACP rounds to the torso and continued to attack, meanwhile you can kill a black bear with a fucking Blowgun that has only 2/3ds the energy of Joerg's dart gun. It has been done. On camera.
22lr is the most common round used for killing full grown cows instantly and humanely, smashing straight through the front of their fucking skulls.

Besides that, 22lr has an over 90% stoppage rate within two hits, like most pistol rounds

>>509702602
airgun that goes through weimar 2 golem of zion vests

instantly banned (who saw dat coming)

>>509724249
maybe if an airgun can pierce their vests they should consider making better vests

>>509709848
It's a joke we all know this. They have no principles, they want us disarmed so the law is just bullshit excuse for that and will change on a whim. If someone invented energy weapons they would be immediately banned as well. You gotta overthrow the government or leave this shithole

>>509714591
Laser weapons also bypass body armour and the damage they do is a lot worse than a few needles.

>>509723245
Yeah those are like 4k psi tanks, that's not something simply any faggot can do without tools and expertise and that's not exactly something you can do with hardware store parts either. Either that or you need a really high pressure pump like Joerg uses and you better know what you're doing because you just created a 4kpsi pressure vessel either way. Shut the fuck up faggot you don't know what you're talking about.

>>509702490 (OP)
Germany has been confused about what it wants to be ever since the Berlin Wall oops reunified them by surprise. They've been purely reactive to everything since 1989.

>>509702668
only muslims and africans are allowed to have guns in cuckland. germcucks go to jail if they even defend themselves with a stick. this is for your own safety and prevent ww3 or something goyim

>>509702668
You are the fucking reason why we have bottle caps attached to bottles now.