Thread 509752039

>>509752039 (OP)
By 2200 humanity is done

>>509752039 (OP)
Ask them why Feminism destroys birth rates. That question really mind fucks the white losers who are just sure Simping for women will get them a pretty wife.

>>509752298
>feminism destroys birth rates

Trickle down economics does too, unless you are rich

This was done to us by our own governments

>>509752430
this

>>509752430
>unless you are rich
The rich aren't having any more children than the rest of us.

>>509752039 (OP)
Good. The world and the universe will heal.

>>509752039 (OP)
>jewish media ignores the decades of anti-childbirth and overpopulation propaganda they pushed onto whites

Something did this.

Someone did this to humanity.

>>509752039 (OP)
meanwhile

>>509752039 (OP)
Good.
>>509752078
Nah, this is just a foolish as people thinking we were going to keep exponentially growing in numbers forever. People seem to have a problem with imagining a current trend ever reversing for some reason. Ever watch a PID controller or a servo as it approaches its commanded position? There is jerk and ringing but it gets to equilibrium eventually.

>>509754600
This trend predates 2020, my foggy friend.
>>509753290
Also incorrect. Ideology doesn't have nearly as much influence on human behavior as people seem to think it does. You know what does though? Economy. In fact people will tend to select whatever ideology based on what justifies that which is most materially beneficial to them.
The fact is that modern society is completely antagonistic to the existence of human beings, to the degree that it punishes them for having children and rewards them not one whit. Not as an ideological or legal matter, mind you, but as a set of material facts. This differs quite greatly from most of human history where not having children was akin to suicide and financial ruin. The cost/benefit analysis of procreation has completely flipped and it is not the doing of the government or the Jews or the libtards, it is the doing of the inexorable march of progress which has lead us to create a society is completely inhospitable to human life, which is dead set on abolishing us—a society in which it is the machines which live and we living are only the walking dead, along for the ride be it to oblivion or no.

I tried to warn people about this over 10 years ago and nobody listened to me.

>>509752039 (OP)
Is there any point to growing your population infinitely besides making more slaves for the system?

>>509752883
they are and all their kids are expecting the same elevated life.

why aren't you at work?

>>509756200
Continuing the white race

What is this obsession over growing the human population? For the rich to get richer? It is not only unnecessary it is detrimental to the environment.

>>509752039 (OP)
My wife and I want at least 4 kids, but it is a struggle to make it happen.
She has a very bad case of PCOS which means she is fertile, but her boddy just wont release the eggs.
We finally gave in and are trying a pill which is supposed to stimulate ovulation but it pisses me off we need the jew pill to fix this when her mother had 10 children and her older sister has 3.
Zero doubt in my mind it is all the shit they put in "food" etc. that is the real cause of this.

>>509754560
>>509754600
Birth rates have been trending downward since the 1960s, and have been in free fall since the 1980s. This isn't a new or "sudden" problem. It's been tracked and planned around since before you were born.

They passed a landmark immigration act in 1965. Why would they do this? The baby boom had just increased the population exponentially, and the population was set to go up even more as those people all had children in the next couple decades. The country was prospering, the economy was surging boundlessly, so why would they pass massive immigration reform in 1965 which MASSIVELY reduced restrictions on immigration?

Because the policy makers at the time saw the trend already emerging. The baby boom started with a massive, huge burst of procreation at the end of WW2 and then gradually burned off over the next 15 years. A general, downward trend. By 1960 the fertility rate had plunged below pre-war levels and showed no signs of stopping. By 1965 it was clear the trend was ACCELERATING fertility decline. They knew they needed to lay the groundwork fast to prevent economic disaster by the start of the 21st century.

So they opened up immigration in 1965, and then in the 1990s the massive flood of third worlders began, as the fertility rate hit its absolute nadir in the late 1980s. It slowly crept back up, but never again hit replacement level. Immigration has just barely kept the US from total fertility collapse since the 1990s but now even the flood of migrants can't stave it off anymore and we're seeing the US slip. The US fertility rate is currently where Japan was 15 years ago, and that is your benchmark for how fast we're falling. We are 15 years behind Japan, who is like 10 years behind China/ Korea / Russia in terms of demographic collapse.

This is nothing to do with the vax you retarded fucking cunts
This is because breeding age women are all wagies working in min wage slave labour and the retarded cuntoids are apparently satisfied with this because they're "free"
Freedom is a retarded Western concept, perhaps *the* most retarded one

>>509756200
Social security is a pyramid scheme, without new workers no retirement

Has there EVER been a single mainstream article which actually goes into the primary reason for dropping birthrates: Women in education, and women in the work force.

>>509756200
Life. Survival.

>>509752039 (OP)
Depopulation is a good thing, the ignorant masses are gross. Mankind can do with 1 billion super humans.

>>509756717
It's more than just social security and other welfare systems, the entire economic system is based on the idea of there being more young people than old people. Replacement level procreation is the bare minimum to keep the current socio-economic conditions going long-term, and a growing population is more ideal.

Even if you think the current system is shitty and should collapse, at a fundamental level a society that does not procreate won't survive, its culture will not survive. The human race will survive, because procreation below replacement level does not mean no procreation is happening, it means the people who are having children are not having enough children overall. This means the population will shrink down until only those people with the breeding instinct necessary to grow the population remain. How long the die-off has to go on for this minimum threshold to be reached remains to be seen because we haven't seen anything like this in recorded history really. We've seen depopulation before, but usually as a result of plague, famine, or war.

>>509755922
>In fact people will tend to select whatever ideology based on what justifies that which is most materially beneficial to them
"Materially beneficial" obscures how people derive utility from things other than wealth. I would imagine that almost everyone would agree to some form of the proposal
>Would you accept being somewhat poorer in exchange for [the ethnostate / the elimination of racism / the revival of Christianity / the complete removal of religion from politics / making it the 1950's again / a completely green society / etc.]
You can torture these back into ultimately being an expression of pure material interest if you want, but I think more is lost than gained from that lens of analysis

>>509752298
>Feminism
Entry level understanding. It's not "feminism", it's women.

>the solution let's import more pajeets

There. I've saved you 5 minutes from reading.

>>509756731
No, for obvious reasons. Women are half the population (actually slightly more than half) and in most democratic societies they vote more regularly than men do, meaning they are a hard majority of the electorate.

Women will never vote away their rights. Women will not willingly surrender all they've gained in the last 100 years. They will cling to their liberation even as the society that made it possible crumbles away underneath them. Eventually society will regress. Either because of collapse or because of conquest and cultural replacement.

>>509752430
Nah it's feminism.

>>509752039 (OP)
>ohhhh nooooooooo just think of muh sacred GDP THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL HAVE YOU NO MERCY WAAAAAAAAAH
arrow goes up niggers deserve total annihilation

>>509756711
Don't forget that all of the women who can afford to have children but choose not to because they're too committed to moving up the corporate ladder. I see so many millennial couples with dogs substituting for children.

>>509752430
Does China have "trickledown economics" you absolute dumbfuck? China's birth rate is one of the lowest in the world. Tell me more about how neocon economic policies from the 1980s caused worldwide global fertility collapse over the last 70 years. Tool.

>>509752039 (OP)
>OH!!! NOOOO!!!
>NOT MY POPULATIONERINOS!!!

>>509757384
The economic collapse is only the beginning. It's what the people at the top fear the most, but it will be a short lived fear because after the economic implosion caused by population decline via age pyramid inversion comes societal collapse. It's a cultural death spiral that has ended civilizations when caused by other, external means. this is the first cultural depopulation event in recorded history, but once depopulation sets in it follows a predictable pattern.

There's no happy ending for you if you live in a society under going this death spiral. You're not going to wind up better off.

>>509752039 (OP)
hopefully I can see a time when even the baby factories in Africa and India slow down and they cant spare extra people, and the rich here face a crises on where to get new cheap labor

>>509752039 (OP)
This is so universal, there really is no good explanation.
feminism? Birth rate is cratering in the muslim world, lot's of really conservative countries around this globe see these massive drops.
Personal Finances? Hungary went big on trying to reverse the decline, basically making being a mother a middle income job. South Korea also have some generous payouts to mothers. It doesn't have any measurable effect..
The internet? The decline obvious predates the internet.. So no blame on social media.

>>509757740
India has already slowed down in a big way. Africa's high fertility is propped up international aid and the ability to easily offload useless mouths onto other countries as refugees. A decline in either lever will result in a fertility crash.

>>509757412
The truth is they don't want to sacrifice they social standing for a family.

It's just a bunch of hookers, sugar babies, pimps, and johns larping as couples. These bitches are getting paid to fuck and the men are the ones paying. They arent going to sacrifice their own paycheck to take care of a child.

Paying to raise a child means less money to pay your spouse to fuck you.

>>509752039 (OP)
Open borders are a necessity now

>>509756414
Replacement rate reproduction doesn't grow the human population, retard. It merely maintains the current demographic pyramid and population size.

>>509752883
They literally are, retard.
Turns out that printing money and forcing people to use it is really bad for everybody except the ones that receive it first. Shocking!

>>509755922
Since 2021, it's fallen off a cliff. The causative factor can only be one thing.

>>509757137
They might accept such proposals consciously. But would they do anything real to make them happen? They aren't now. Mostly people are doing what they have always done—following their own headlights trying maximize benefit while minimizing cost.
You are correct though that my summary is quite lean and detrimentally so. It is not only material benefits people seek but status.Status is perhaps even more important as people will willingly give up comforts for status (ascetics, various environmentalist types, etc). One thinks of Spartans who lived austere lives eating vile black broth so that they would be admired by their peers. Still, that system of status seeking did ultimately contribute to the material stability of their precarious slave-state, always at the mercy of revolting helots.

>>509758091
>*sad descending slide whistle*

>>509752039 (OP)
I often hear that 14 billion is overpopulated but I think we’re already there

The globalists are 100% right on the overpopulation problem. We all just have different ideas on how to handle it

>>509757856
Your graph is a bit misleading because it contains over 70 years of projected decline, not actual hard data. While these projections for Europe and the Americas are likely accurate, with Asia and Africa you can't be as certain.

It would be more useful to look at the data from the early 20th century, until the year 2000. The effects of the global Great Depression, World War 2, the baby boom, and then the long post-boom decline. It's fairly obvious that women's liberation had a lot to do with it. This was actually something that both capitalist and communist countries had in common. Communism opened up education and work to women even more readily than did capitalism.

>>509755975
Who cares (you), faggot?
Should have advised against Nixon in 1971.

>>509752430
yeh

>>509752039 (OP)
The roastie thing is a meme. It's a genetic lottery, some vagainas are like that.
My mom for example has a pussy like a baby, you can see the labia
Yet my sister has a big labia even when she was a virgin
Same as the "uncut dicks smell Thing
I am cut and mine smells in just two days of not showering while the dick of my father, who only showers once a week, never smells.

>>509757856
its female higher education you can clean the data for every other factor (urbanisation seems to track similar but not quite)

further it is commonly accepted that it is female education and higher education specific which crashes birthrates below replacement
this knowledge is censored so you have to invert the query into "how to reduce birthrates in the third world"

finally national social germany had below replacement birthrates until the anti feminist reforms that put a 10% quota cap on female higher education
and put profession bans out for women

my conclusion going over the international data, which is exhaustive, is that you sink below replacement at 20-30% female higher education
outliers are only if extreme illiterate parochial segments of the population compensate for that, not a sustainable alternative

>>509757303
>men will march to their painful deaths on the battlefield to preserve their society
>women won't even stop killing their own babies to do the same
There are no men in human history I curse more than those who gave women the right to vote.

>>509758278
It's pretty visual what part is projected and what is based on data, you can see the line become smooth.

Only the very irresponsible and stupid have constant children.

Native birthrates are deliberately obscured in western countries, but if you manage to find the hard-data it's actually worse in most of Europe than the poster child for a doomed society (Japan), and the USA is almost as bad. S. Korea is still the worst country by far, but the North will reclaim their country eventually when they get too old to maintain power.

>>509758489
civilization is male sooner does the foreign barbarian understand it than the womb that birthed it

>>509758538
Such people will inherit the earth while those who refuse to breed will die out, along with their beliefs and ideas, eventually. People who refuse to have children are not somehow pulling one over on society, they're self-selecting their bloodline out of society.

>>509752039 (OP)
>choosing
gonna need more lampposts

>>509758633
S. Korea is the most feminist country on earth.

>>509757437
>1 child policy is the same as voodoo economics

>>509758419
>the dick of my father, who only showers once a week, never smells.
how often do you check?

>>509758633
Yes, but a lot of European countries refuse to do ethnic / racial breakdowns of these statistics so it's hard to generalize. Still, from the ones who do show such data a clear trend emerges showing that native birth rates are far, far lower than immigrants. What is curious though is that while fresh off the boat immigrants often have high, above replacement fertility, that usually crashes within a single generation.

More, I want more. I need the earth to be a desolate, empty, and silent world. Remnants of what was with not a speck of anyone to be remembered. Let the story of mankind close in a miserable pathetic whimper.

>>509758538
>t. worthless extinct retard tribe
It doesn't matter how smart or moral or ''''right'''' you are if your entire society disappears lmao
Though that's where we're at. Modern cattle would rather drift into extinction than be 'mean'

>>509752039 (OP)
works as expected
just import designated replacement population

>>509758790
1 child policy has been over for decades. It completely, irrevocably destroyed China's demographics, but ending the policy did not cause a recovery of China's birth rates. They sit at a fertility rate well below Japan's, and barely above South Korea's.

>>509758790
china is plagued too by too high percentages of female higher education, they might be able to counter steer with force but I doubt that will be that effective

>>509752039 (OP)
Oh no, better import billions of Indians. It's literally the only way to fix this crisis!

>>509752298
>>509752430
Both of these are true.
>>509757437
Feminism and neoliberalism are both responsible for the drop of the birth rate. China is a new form of communist. Communism evolved out of a jewish form of jacobinism and jacobinism and communism are both feminist.
China is also very capitalistic.

>>509758906
If any country could implement draconian breeding policies it would probably be China, but they've been very slow to act and if they don't act soon their country's population will violently halve in 40 years.

>>509754600
>vaccinated women have ~33% fewer successful pregnancies
Are you saying that the vaccine causes a 33% drop in fertility or that the type of woman who rejects the vaccine is also the type of woman to favor having more children?

Got a link to the paper? If vaccines were causing a direct 33% drop in pregnancies the world would be up in arms.

>>509757024
>the entire economic system is based on the idea of there being more young people than old people
What happens when cane kills able?
>We've seen depopulation before, but usually as a result of plague, famine, or war.
We only need to keep increasing population if we are to inhabit other planets. The solution is to focus on solving the issues instead of doing what is profitable as the jew money system is inherently a scam

>>509758969
China's population decline dates back to the days of Mao, you dumbfuck.

>>509755922
>Also incorrect. Ideology doesn't have nearly as much influence on human behavior as people seem to think it does. You know what does though? Economy.
wtf are you talking about, compare economies of u.s.a. and nigeria, and now compare birth rates

>>509758901
1 child policy is not that bad, female college entry is the issue it must be ended and it will one way or the other

feminism has failed because women as a group all around the world didn't accept the responsibillity that comes with freedom

men are still under all the social and state restrictions and expectations no change there so no blame has to be put on male shoulders
the simp however is who I have no sympathy for and they must be crushed

>>509759044
You failed to read the second part of my post. You are only focusing on the money, the economy, which as I stated is only the beginning of the collapse. It's also the one that your hated Jews care the most about, because they are confident in their resilience and ability to survive the turmoil. But rebuilding wealth and social power is difficult following a massive collapse. Jews don't worry about survival, they've survived worse.

You, however, should worry about survival.

>>509758452
this
and birth control technology development

>>509759015
they don't need to be that draconian probably, national socialist germany did it once before: 10% quota cap on female higher education and profession bans were enough
but communism is too feminist since its inception

germany got the birthrates up in 5 years or so

Wife and i have unexplained infertility. 4 cycles of IVF have produced 5 completely healthy embryos. We have failed 3 transfers. I am hemorrhaging money trying to start a family.

>>509752039 (OP)
>there are more people in the world than ever
>at some point the infinite growth of people that is destroying the planet could stop and become sustainable
oh no the horror
before the hart-celler act, in 1950, there was 150 million people in USA
Now there is 350 million, and most of the 200 million extra people are non-white

>WE NEED MORE NON-WHITES
no we fucking dont

>>509759154
>1 child policy is not that bad
Was*. It hasn't been in place for a long time. And no, it was really, really bad. Because in Chinese culture it was expected for the eldest son to take over the family and then take care of his elderly parents in their dotage. So if Chinese couples could only have one child, they wanted a son. They aborted female babies in the millions to get their one son.

This caused a massive demographic skew in their population that resulted in extremely fucked romantic prospects for Chinese men growing up in the 80s and 90s, and it's cascaded into a precipitous fertility decline you see today.

>>509758844
calm down harari

>>509759199
qatar is filthy rich and so is norway we can clean the data for money, feminism, anti feminism, poverty

nothing seems to do the trick, except that one time germany kicked women out of higher education and many professions solved the birthrate in under 5 years

>>509756427
Does you wife have digestive issues?

>>509752039 (OP)
>and here's why that's a hilarious thing...
Good luck with your pet niggers bahahahahahaha

>>509759435
Nothing you said has anything to do with my post, which is not about the cause of decline, it is about the effects.

>>509758489
>There are no men in human history I curse more than those who gave women the right to vote.
Same

>>509752039 (OP)
We're basically at a point biologically understand that a large population isn't needed or desirable thanks to technology and then you have leftists who scream and want a destitute white guy to serve them mcdonalds for eternity

>>509759016
>the world would be up in arms.
Why?
Most of them took the shots willingly multiple times in a row, and they would do it again.

>>509759297
Should mention, prior to IVF we tried several courses of oral and injectable ovarian stimulants as well as 7 courses of IUI.

>>509756711
Its also the vaxx because it fucks with those who actually want and try for children.

>>509752430
>>509752298
It's feminism and judaism. In every empire that fell, it was because of fiat and usury.

Jew agenda...Make is cheap for subhuman invaders to have kids by throwing endless gibs at them and make it more expensive to have kids and no gibs for the people actual tax paying hard working worthy people the jews want to eliminate...It's a very fucking sick world we live in today...Disgusting fucking Jews are reprehensible....

>>509759111
Nigeria's rate is falling, just as it is everywhere in the world. Backwards countries are of course going to lag behind more advanced countries. But as they urbanize they will get there. Did you know India of all places is, thankfully, below replacement?
Consequently as they urbanize they will also forego their traditional beliefs for those more in keeping with their new way of life (feminism, sexual liberation etc). Ideology follows economic necessity.

>>509752078
Nigger, humanity was almost wiped the fuck out entirely tens of thousands of years ago. Maybe smarter humans ironically lose out to dumber humans due to being too careful, but the species will live on.

>>509759284
There is a huge, huge difference here. In 1930s Germany, women had no expectation of equality. They were not treated as slaves, but they were not equal to men, by any stretch of imagination. There were no laws in place which enshrined female power and privileges. A cap on women in higher education was not outrageous in a country where women weren't really expected to pursue careers or live independently in the first place.

In China women have been autonomous and liberated from familial burdens for decades. Entire generations of women have grown up with the expectation and entitlement to having their own way.

Such a generation of women will absolutely require draconian enforcement of breeding programs. They will not go quietly.

>>509752883
>>509752958

I like how he got BTFO'd immediately and just left lol.

>>509759846
the issue is that it might kick off a migration wave but the first great power that solves the feminism problem will inherit the world

>>509757024
We can easily take care of the old people the systems we have today have increased our productivity to insane levels, there is zero problem taking care of the elderly even though if the population pyramid was a bit lopsided.

You must not understand how much parasites White countries have, its not just the niggers on gibs at the bottom but its especially the jews at the top, who are EXTREMELY hungry useless eaters that provide no labor yet they are provided with more than any rapefugee gibs when they are stealing White productivity through rents or stock ownership, etc.

There would be ZERO issues at taking care of our elderly if we removed all non-whites. We need to kill all the jews to do that though, because they would sabotage any attempt of us returning to White ethnostates.

However, dead jews do not push for multiculturalism.
Dead jews won't stop you from taking back your country.
That is something that alive jews do.

>The reason you fight for an open society is because that's the only society that you can live in, as a Jew unless you become a nationalist and only fight for your own rights in your own state.
- George Soros (NY Times 17/7/2018)

>>509759297
did you guys take the fauci ouchie?

>>509759647
Because anyone with a failed pregnancy (and they are very common) would openly blame or at least suspect vaccinations. That's millions of upset families with a justified target.

>>509759016
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40534497/

>>509760113
https://x.com/NicHulscher/status/1941194771105554921

>>509760075
Would they? I don't see any evidence of that. You can't even get the average brit to admit they have mass rape pedo rape gangs that target their children. Normies are total dodo birds.

>>509758489
You can thank jews and christians for that collossal fuckup.

>>509760001
Had to unfortunately. We're both medfags and were mandated in jew york. Got shingles after each dose but they wouldnt accept it as a valid excuse not to get boosted. Had several coworkers get fired for not taking it. Waited until the last possible day to take my third dose and the following day Hochul lifted the mandate. I was doubled over in abdominal pain for 3 days. Please dont ever let anybody tell you there wasn't a "mandate"

>>509760075
they won't do shit

>>509760075
>>509760113
Thanks!

>>509760236
You make a fair point.

>>509760075
That is one of the strategic objectives of my information operations. I'm going to obliterate trust in all vaccines this way.

>>509758127
>They might accept such proposals consciously. But would they do anything real to make them happen?
Which strikes me as similar to the argument
>You say you want socialism, yet you don't share all your money with the poor. Curious
What's elided in both cases is that large scale changes to the structure of society, especially ones that require material redistribution or the foregoing of some amount of wealth generation, are essentially impossible to achieve through the actions of any one individual, or whatever handful of individuals you manage to corral into nobly sacrificing the pursuit of their personal material interest in service of achieving an ideological objective. It doesn't work unless everyone does it at once - namely, unless everyone is forced to do it at once - and the necessity of that coercion doesn't imply that "people don't actually want this" so much as that nobody wants to martyr themselves ineffectually

>>509759995
There is no feasible way to sustain a welfare system that has several million more people drawing from it than people paying into it. There is no way to sustain a tax system where a minority of able-bodied young people has to pay the vast majority of the income taxes to pay for programs to the majority of elderly, non-working people. It requires a total rethinking of the tax system.

The first casualty of the aging population will be the age of retirement. It will be raised, several times my guess, until they abolish "retirement" as a concept, followed by scrapping social security. This will more than likely cause nation-wide riots and unrest when it happens. The fallout of having to terminate welfare programs will also naturally upset the niggers, as they will be the second largest casualty after the elderly to cancelling welfare programs and we all know how well niggers deal with disappointment.

And no, fixing this isn't "simple" . If it was they would've done it a long time ago. The "fixes" require dismantling a system which has made a lot of people very comfortable, very rich, and very powerful. And nobody can really agree on what should replace it or how you should design a society which incentivizes people to peacefully pay taxes and contribute to a collective safety net, which was one of the biggest coups of the 20th century for creating a civic bond between individuals who had otherwise very little in common and no reason to cooperate.

I don't think most of you realize how precarious all this really is because all your baseline assumptions for society are founded on premises that will go out the window when population death spiral starts.

>>509760421
yeah, you both probably got fucked up gonads as a result of the shots, the very early studies showed spike proteins ending up especially there.
you dun goofed.

>>509752039 (OP)
dont forget your boosters.

>>509752078
No, just onions boy bug men. Thank god (Jesus Christ)

>>509757412
The dumbest part is literally none of them will move up the ladder unless it's up to Assistant Manager at Mcds

>>509757581
As a genetic dead end you are not in a position to be smug.

There is no point in people having kids if the benefit is looking after shit monster for 5 years that will undoubtedly go to a shit public school, surrounded by nihilistic parents and kids alike. No matter how hard /pol/ or anyone may try to masquerade raising a child, it is the foundational principle that stops people from having kids in advance societies. Nor do people want to go live on a farm and grow their own food.

People would have kids if you gave the free market incentives to make raising a child vastly easier/less, because at the end of the day, people have came to a conclusion that they don't consciously recognize in modern society, and that is that their true nature is to be selfish. Once you build a system around that concept, you will be able to restore the path to families having children.

>>509759686
Shut the fuck up retard. Go crawl back in your hole.

>>509752039 (OP)
>Choosing
Yes entirely by choice. Nevermind the fertility killing "COVID" "vaccines". Nevermind the push for birth control. Nevermind the widely prescribed SSRIs that are killing women's sex drives. Nevermind the push for abortions. Nevermind the push for women in the workplace. Nevermind the need for women to work because wages don't allow a man to support his family. Nevermind the xenoestrogens from micro plastics killing male testosterone. Nevermind the legalization of marijuana doing the same. Nevermind the cost of birthing and rearing children. Nevermind that our culture pushes any expression of masculinity as toxic behavior. Nevermind the active promotion of LGBTQ mental illness. Nevermind that policy decisions in every single aspect of our lives are just coincidentally all curbing birthrates. It's all choice. No coercion or poisons or propaganda or social engineering involved.

>>509759420
Existence is nothing but prolonged suffering now, the world is just one big joke stuck in a loop and we're all strangling each other trying to make sense of it. Simply dragging ourselves along in some blind hope "it'll get better".

I want to watch this abomination of 200 years in the making crash and bury every one of us. I will laugh with my dying breath as our species dooms itself to well deserved grave.

>>509760512
>several million more people drawing from it than people paying into it.
turn off Fox

>>509752958
>>509752883

>>509760808
I am already in my hole. Where do you think we are, Ranjeet?

>>509760512
>There is no feasible way to sustain a welfare system that has several million more people drawing from it than people paying into it.

You can tax the rich, used to be 90% in some cases, but then whats to stop them fucking off? I got nothing against the rich personally, but Welfare is rivalling minimum wage in my country.

>>509759988
That is a good point, so the thing to look for, the canary in the coal mine, is travel restrictions. They'd have to precede any attempt to coerce the population into breeding.

>>509759875
>Literally 1.85 vs 2.0 for 680k difference
Wow btfo!!! WAY more kids!!

>>509760421
You were never forced to take the vaccine nor were you mandated to. You chose to get shot.

>>509752039 (OP)
Not my problem.

>>509760512
So where does anti-aging technology fit into all of this?

>>509761048
Retarded take

>>509760947
As I have said, several times mind you, I am talking about the long-term effects of the problems we currently have. I am talking about what this country is going to look like in 30+ years, once the baby boomers start dying off. You see that fat chunk in the demographic pyramid, in the 50-69 age rage? In 30 years those people will be dead or near dead, and the next fat chunk in the 30-49 age range will be 60-79, trying to retire, and look how the demographics get skinnier and skinnier beneath it. The trend of births is still going DOWN not up, so you will have an inverted pyramid by 2055.

I get that these very long-term problems are hard for some people to conceptualize, but do try to keep up.

>>509761207
You just had to say no.

>>509760978
If the mega rich who benefit from the current system were willing to give up their wealth and power we would not have nearly the problem we currently have.

>>509758419
wtf

>>509760512
>when population death spiral starts.
WHEEEEE, WORST ROLLER COASTER EVER

>>509752958
The difference seems to get smaller and smaller and the rich also get less children.

>>509752039 (OP)
>AI will destroy all jobs worth having and leave humans to do the shittiest, least automatable work
>REEEE Why aren't you having tax cattle slaves, goyim!?!?

>>509752039 (OP)

Not in Streetshitterstan.

>>509752039 (OP)
oh no whatever will we do oh no my competition in the job market oh no how will i buy a house oh nooooo
oh no think of the artificial demand for things itll be so bad nooooooooo

Maybe most people only had sex because it feels good and there weren't as many ways to entertain yourself in a lot of human history, combined with the fact that most healthy humans probably were fit and looked good. They also didn't have modern birth control. So not only were people having more sex (because what else are you going to do when you're an illiterate farmer after a day's work, read?), they were having more kids as a result.

There are a myriad of activities and hobbies people can engage in now that not only can be more entertaining than putting up with women, they're also solitary and don't even need a social component which would otherwise force you out into the city/town/village and get some interaction with women (and again, everyone is pretty fit or otherwise attractive due to obesity being so rare so it was just sexy humans constantly being in close proximity to one another).

>>509752039 (OP)
There are too many browns, cut off all aid and stop feeding them

>>509761577
>from 2017
This data is now obsolete. India is below replacement fertility now, and China's total fertility rate has cratered harder than anyone expected.

>>509761559
The point is not to make sense. It gaslighting to create manufactured consent. But we already know that.

>>509752039 (OP)
there is nothing wrong with this, there just aren't that many people needed anymore. it will be a problem for boomers as there aren't enough young people to pay for their retirement, unless we will have full automation but i doubt that. and the young people know they won't get to retire when they are old so they have not much motivation to contribute to the system. now they imported many third worlders to try to offset that because we are just economic units, and as we know that just made it much worse. ideally after the collapse there would be a new system, where not every retard can just breed like rabbits, where only the healthy and intelligent get to. but we are just gonna do the infinite growth thing again

>>509761769
there are many wrong things with this, our leaders do not behave the way you say

>>509756427
before when we didnt have 100 million illegal brown niggers walking around sucking our womens fart causing super hoeflation a man would dump a woman who couldnt produce, kings killed wives for it. but with hoeflation the chances of you finding a woman nearly as good as your wife but also fertile is incredibly unlikely

thank god for hoeflation and ugly brown subhumans that will tolerate ANYTHING to get a whiff of white woman pussy

>>509752039 (OP)
This is literally a non issue, the 9nly reason we're seeing these paniced articles is because less people means ngos and corps cant claim an increased profit every year. Theyre deething st the idea that theyll earn less and wont be able to give them and their mates huge bonuses annually

>>509760421
my friend who is a doctorfag just quit because he refused to take it then they hired him back 12 months later with a raise

you're suffering for folding too easily

>>509761822
can you explain

>>509752430
This never would have happened under national socialism

>>509760486
Well you don't need to convince me of the potential efficacy of monarchism. I am well on board. Part of the problem of democracy is that it is inherently short-sighted, whereas a strong executive can afford to see past his own headlights and make big moves on a society-wide scale for ultimate long-term gain. For example: even if it would weaken his society in the short term to somehow coerce or prod the society to increase reproduction, in the end they would be relatively better off than peer societies who did nothing. There is no such functionality in democracies, other than relatively weak Progressive nudging/incentivisation. We will see how this plays out as China and the US battle this same issue simultaneously. China will fare the better though I don't think either will be unscathed.
The point here is that individuals can have all sorts of motivations and drives, and act against their own economic interest in favor of other motivations, but that masses, mobs, crowds, societies, will tend to act in the manner of a slime-mold going only where the getting is good at this moment. As societies have gotten larger and more complex the balance between the mindless slime-mold behavior and the calculated acts of the thinking man has gone much to man's detriment. A man of incredible power could possibly guide the slime-mold true so long as the short term cost does not cost his society everything.

>>509760678
As a genetic dead end you are not in a position to be smug.

>design an ugly no fun allowed world
>wonder why no one wants to have kids in it
truly a mystery

>>509762202
fachkräfftemangel and mass import of foreigners

>>509752039 (OP)
Good. There are too many dysgenic retards.

>>509760512
>It requires a total rethinking of the tax system
Yes you have to remove all the parasitic non-whites including the jews who are the richest people while doing none of the labor, and use that to take care of the elderly
And that is not even counting the niggers, in USA the niggers and spics cost over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS yearly

It's not just USA though non-whites cost a shitton in EVERY WHITE COUNTRY they infest.
The White world is already collecting upkeeping hundreds of millions of non-whites if we simply removed them all there would be ZERO problem upkeeping the elderly

>>509760512
>If it was they would've done it a long time ago
It has been tried literally over a thousand times.
The problem is the infinite humanity of the White man always expelling the jews, because history shows they will ALWAYS come back.
You need to KILL them to make them go away for good.

>>509752039 (OP)
What kind of sick fuck would bring a white child into this hellhole?

>>509759016
>If vaccines were causing a direct 33% drop in pregnancies the world would be up in arms.
Normgroids seem to be hard coded to pretend everything is fine no matter how bad things get. I don't have any faith in them.

>>509763138
>What kind of sick fuck would bring a white child into this hellhole?
Exactly, imagine bringing a White child to this world where she will put into forcefully integrated school to be gang-raped by a pack of shitskins.
And if she survives the rapes alive, she'll grow up to be an adult to be working cattle for the rentier and international financier jew.

The problem is that people are too blackpilled to start fixing the world and killing all the jews. We really need to just form an Inquisition and start hunting them down, and then repealing their multiculturalism expelling all the nonwhites.
Many Whites think that its too late now and there arent enough White people to act and start slaying the jews, but this isnt true.
We still have a chance, but our time is running out fast.

>>509752039 (OP)
Artificial Womb when?

>>509752039 (OP)
it's just basic female nature. they don't want children, they want attention and hedonism. children only get in the way of that. the only time they might actually want children is when one of their friends had a baby and is temporarily getting attention for it, then they want some of that attention, too.
otherwise they think it is beneath them.

>>509761207
Nah it's the right take. Other people stood their ground and you could have too if you had some backbone. And by failing to stand with us and hold the line, you tacitly sided with our enemies and made our lives even harder.

>>509752883
Elon has sired a small army of children

>>509760512
We have sufficient productive capacity and manpower to do something like, e.g., put all the olds in state run nursing homes. It wouldn't be luxurious, but they wouldn't be starving or living in penury either, and even if their population was equivalent to that of the entire working population you'd only need to dedicate 20% of the latter to achieving a comfortable 1:5 staffing ratio. It's not *logistically* impossible, it just means the state can no longer subsidize every boomer to go on cruises and live in a single family home for the last 30 years of their life

>>509763772
his bribes to politicians have cost more and he is sperg

>>509761141
Big think

>>509762267
>The point here is that individuals can have all sorts of motivations and drives, and act against their own economic interest in favor of other motivations, but that masses, mobs, crowds, societies, will tend to act in the manner of a slime-mold going only where the getting is good at this moment
Yes, I agree
>We will see how this plays out as China and the US battle this same issue simultaneously. China will fare the better though I don't think either will be unscathed
My conclusion as well. Whether it's through a monarch or The Party, some kind of authoritarianism seems to be the only thing that can halt the slowly walking backwards off a cliff produced by democracy that you describe, and China is currently better positioned to have the means to actually do that

>>509763777
Just shoot them in the head once you gather them all.
Or vaxx them with something and give them a heart attack in a few months.

>>509757856
>there really is no good explanation.
theres a real good and simple explanation but muh material science won't like it

all humans or organism are connected by some kind of field and we collectively realise that we are overpopulated. Simple as

btw there is plenty of evidence for such a 'field' but it's understandably shoved under the rug because it doesnt fit muh models

>>509761207
Those "mandates" ended instantly at facilities where most of the staff refused to take it

>>509762934
HEY EVERYBODY ITS THE WORST POSTER ON THE SITE!

White women cost more welfare than all nonwhites combined, simp nordcuck.

YOU (((the west))) have been fleecing SHITSKINS for decades, ever hear of neo imperialism? CIA coups for corporations, IMF debt cycles, petrodollar manipulation, captive markets, usury and cultural degeneracy? You been living in your gay ass anti family welfare state on BORROWED TIME. None of you have a fuckin dime. You're the biggest debtor nations ever to exist. Russia should flatten you snowniggers

>>509764059
based geronticidaire

>>509752078
Jeetmanity will pervail

>>509752430
trickle down economics allowed my parents to have three children.
it just works newfag, i ain't gotta explain shit.

have you tried not being black?

>>509752039 (OP)
I thought that despite the bad birthrates at the moment, we currently have a lot more children compared to most countries. We have a young population.

>>509752039 (OP)
No one wants to bring kids into this kiked hellscape, it isnt rocket science.

>>509752883
>1 post says something stupid yet again

Only the rich are having children while average people can't afford it or even afford a place to start a family. In the past the elite in society always had smaller families while the average person had a big family. It is all inverted now with the rich having bigger families than they used to except the average person can't even afford to have one child at this point let alone finding a woman to start a family with.

>>509761505
The advantage ratio gets bigger as the baseline drops. 2008 highest to lowest advantage is 9%, in 2018 it increased to over 14%.
Welcome to statistics.

>one of the biggest threats to the planet and long-term human survival, overpopulation, appears to be self-correcting
>B-B-BUT MUH INFINITE GROWTH
>WHAT ABOUT THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>509752078
2046

>>509764501
We have a younger population and higher fertility rate than slants and yuropoors, but it's still well below replacement and largely just because we imported a gorillion beaners

THIS IS WHAT THE VAX & COVID HOAX WAS ABOUT.
Pfizer tried to have the real test results made secret for 70 years by court order (not the faked second set of tests done on animals instead of people to fudge the results for public release).
THE JUDGE SAID NO.
THE VAX DESTROYS HUMAN FERTILITY.
Ffs.

>>509760421
pretty sad. all that time and money dedicated to becoming a doctor and all you got was a forced jab with the stuff that you are supposed to shill to your customers. I mean clients. I mean, patients. Most doctors (I dont mean you) probably deserved the jab which is funny. They'll be replaced with AI. my own doctor only has 5 minutes for me. The rest of the day is spent 'helping' brown leeches with 60 IQ. Meanwhile I can talk all day to an uncensored AI which is smarter than doctors

If 8/10 doctors willingly took the jab, I already dont want to be treated by those morons. They failed the most obvious and easy test. Its like being a farmer and going completely all-in on an experimental, untested, unregulated fertilizer made in Botswana on your crop. Not a single farmer would do that, but doctors (the most smartest intelligentiest people) lined up to perform a similarly retarded act

>>509764138
it`s called feminism
there is no need to invent a magical field
women are too busy going to school and getting jobs to pay rent to have time to have kids.

>>509752039 (OP)
>rapidly aging
Time dilation confirmed!

>>509764773
>Muh planet
Kys rn then tree hugger faggot frog. Imagine being so low-T that you tell literally 100s of millions of men "uhh hey Mother Earth is crying, go wagecuck for 60 years for no reason living alone and have no sex and raise no family, kthx"

Thank God France is Muslim soon Alhamdulillah

>>509757856
>This is so universal, there really is no good explanation.
Yes there is.

Overpopulation.
Feminism.
Access to birth control.
Cultural values placing too much emphasis on "women's rights".
Women in the workplace.
Income.

All of these add up to women having few, if any, babies. Your average Westernized woman, no matter where they are in the world, wants to party, and have fun, and, ugh, just have a good time, okay?! They don't want to have kids because that'll slow down their career and fun. Until they hit 38. And then they'll beg for children, but can't have them anymore.

You know who isn't having a fertility crisis?

Third world countries that don't let women work, don't educate women, don't let them have birth control, and marry them off early.

Guess who the government is replacing our populations with? Those people.

>>509752430

Yeah it's a deadly combo. Rigid austerity for the plebs and unlimited money to israel to the point it crashes birthrates.

then
>one man could afford a house
>employers not forced to hire women
>monogamy
>married women living in a house bought with a mans money and at some point getting pregnant
>abortion only in rare cases
>hope for the future, that your kids will have it even better than you did

now
>it takes 2 adults working full time to naybe barely afford a house
>employers forced to create lazy girl adult daycare jobs for blackrock esg money
>tinder enabled chad harem hypergamy
>marriage is seen as a get rich quick scheme for women to take half in the inevitable divorce. women living in apartments on lazy girl job money. men living in tents on the street
>abortion for any reason at all just go for it
>despair for the future, knowing its only getting worse from here

gee its a total mystery why birth rates are dropping

Why are you all so worried about population?

Things are fine.

>>509765990
ask chatgpt

>>509765758
God you ppl are cringe. Babies is a byproduct of SEX. If SEXLESSNESS itself has skyrocketed among sperm-havers, you don't even need to look for muh socioeconomic factors.
THATS why $1-a-day thirdies also have low birth rates. Unless women will literally starve without marrying an average man as provider, your race will die. Simple as end of story full stop.

So your red herrings only allow women to get away with it for decades on end with new factors to study and debate

>>509765990

Because if whitey doesn't breed you get South Africa

>>509765295

Complete bullshit. women can conceive until almost 50. Men are porn addicts

>>509766204
>women can conceive until almost 50

hahahahahahahaha

>>509752958
The difference in these is minuscule, we're talking 1.85 at pure poverty levels and just over 2.0 at the toppest tip point of wealth. Even THEN it's still not at replacement rate, and individuals in those income brackets are so few as to not even be worth mentioning. We can therefore say that fertility is correlated with income, but only somewhat. The truest indicator of TFR in any nation is female education and empowerment. The more any nation emancipates its women, the lower its fertility drops. It's a direct correlation and is the real reason for the nosedive in fertility in the past several decades. And it's also completely inescapable. Until the entire house of cards comes tumbling down, women will never forego the rights they have been given. Thus the problem will simply become worse and worse over the decades.

>>509766114
women are having more sex then ever before. women are the ones who make babies. but not in a chad cock carousel created by muh socioeconomic factors, babies would ruin the fun, and chad fuckboys arent going to stick around to help raise the kid, so she aint having any.

women have babies when they are married and unemployed living in a nice house the husbands labour pays for. not when the woman is busy at work, doesnt need a man, and is waiting her turn with chad

>>509752039 (OP)
The decline isn’t happening with niggers and muslim parasites. They just keep having more and more babies, regardless of what the kike media tells you. Their numbers are as high as ever. You look at the recent projections of 2100, and nearly all the top countries with more than 100 million in population are either nigger or muslim countries. A bio-weapon to exterminate both is of the greatest necessity now.

And both should be easier than the rest to kill off. Niggers carry the sickle cell anemia gene, while muslim carry the inbred genes.

>>509766204
>women can conceive until almost 50
retarded and ill children yeah

>>509766441
>The truest indicator of TFR in any nation is female education and empowerment
Yes but that's also a psyop because it is REDUNDANT because the ONLY reason women study/work in the first place is to NOT settle for a provider mate who is a non-Chad

>>509761141
Well the jab is a beta test on the public to test out CRISPR tech.

>>509766204
NAh they cant. It happens in rare cases but overall . Nah

>>509766838
>because the ONLY reason women study/work in the first place is to NOT settle for a provider mate who is a non-Chad

So what causes this? And are muslims resistant to it?

>>509766511
>A bio-weapon to exterminate both is of the greatest necessity now.
I don't think it's possible to use another such bio-weapon. The first one was too rapidly identified. If another one was, it'd pretty much cause every nation working on such weapons to uncork theirs, because fuck it.

>>509765295
>Overpopulation.
>Feminism.
>Access to birth control.
>Cultural values placing too much emphasis on "women's rights".
>Women in the workplace.
>Income.
jews

>>509752430
Don't forget the pill. It fucks with way more than just their fertility

>>509752078
>banks collapse
Good.
We will create a new system from the ashes.

>>509766511
>The decline isn’t happening with niggers and muslim parasites
Yes, it is. Global TFR is nosediving in all communities across the planet. Even in strongholds that still have high TFR like Nigeria the fertility rate has dropped precipitously, and shows no signs of reversing whatsoever. It is likely even Africa will join the rest of the world in the coming decades.

>>509766838
Quite. It is therefore inescapable that a return to normalcy and thus a leveling off of fertility would require the abolition of female empowerment and freedom. But this simply will not happen in any advanced nation that embraces these ideals in the first place, at least not as they exist now. It's a genie that's been let out of the bottle. The only hope that first-world nations have is to slowly but surely propagandize its populace into accepting women as being beneath men, at least insofar as matters of reproduction are concerned. Otherwise, we will continue to see this trend continue, and economies will strain further and further to maintain an ever-aging population with a working population shrinking every year.

Pay attention to Korea. When it collapses, not if --likely sometime in the 2050s-- we will all witness the future of our nations if we do not act.

>>509766875
It's a jew lie. Focus on the extreme outlier and imply that doing so is an argument.

>>509766204
Is this bait? Let me try. A wo(man) can give birth just like womb haver does. A vaxx only works if youre vaxxed too. Only those of European decent can be racist since only they participated in slavery, war, and colonialism. Am I doing it right?

>>509767047
What I'm really worried about, is that Russia appears to be expanding their bio-warfare capacity drastically. They re-opened and enlarged a noteworthy Biopreparat facility that until recently was effectively mothballed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2024/russia-biological-chemical-weapons-laboratory-expansion/
WHEW.
I think they'll be looking at weapons like these. Because they were targeted with such weapons.

You can keep blaming what ever the fuck you want.
The issue is the culture we globally have. "Got Mine, fuck you" The worship of wealth.
Kids get in the way. They cost alot of money. Children don't have a positive effect on the bottom line. People would rather spend their time working/hustling and/or partying.
That is why this effect every single first world nation. We all have one aspect of our cultures that are universal. Greed.

I'm on 3.
Creampies nightly.
doin my best
Christ is King
MAGA
NHH

>>509752039 (OP)
based israel has no issues with their birth rates.

>>509767578
There's a reason for that.

>>509767047
I don’t know, dude. Outside of the US, morons still believe Covid was completely natural. And we’re talking about two of the most stupid and violent impatient idiots on planet Earth - Niggers and Muslims. Poisoning or dispersal in the air wouldn’t be hard. They also behave like a herd. Both need millions upon millions to be exterminated at every opportunity. It should work like the Native Indians were killed off by “old world diseases”.

Did you know if Europeans and Natives lived together and the US was still borne out of the 1700’s, their population would be about 210-225 million today, keeping in line with their birth rates and the advancement of medicine. This keeps in account with them appreciating Western medicine. Anyway, my point is that they’re a measly number now. Anyway, my point is, a massive billion+ populations of Niggers and Muslims could be brought down significantly with a proper bio-weapon.

>>509767574
based reproducer

>>509752039 (OP)
It's not happening everywhere. It's happening in places that allowed themselves to get infected by feminism.

>>509767928
The liberian compromise would be a better option.

>>509752039 (OP)
this is a good thing. the world has too many nigger cattle.

>>509752298
It's hardly down to inflation and rising cost of living? Nobody can afford kids and to work means spending a quarter or more of you wages on childcare..
You can thank Kikes and their economics for that muh. Even men don't want to have kids because of the cost,.stop being a retard and accept the real reasons

>>509752039 (OP)
vaxx is working as intended

>>509768262
How is it down to feminism when Kike capitalists are trying to maximise profit and reduce wastage across almost every industry? More work less pay
Then economic austerity which is always chaotic and influenced by Kikes and billionaires to profit from. A few blue haired retards that popped up over the last few years has little to Don with that you fucking sponge licking kike

>>509752078
Retard. They make a big deal because corporations don't want to take a .01% profit loss. Same reason they import immigrants and push the gdp meme.

>>509760421
>Had several coworkers get fired for not taking it.
A shame you weren't one of them. I didn't get fired but I made it clear what my choice would have been if push came to shove.

>>509752039 (OP)
Push towards depopulation isn't an accident. Its by design.
Whether its making marriage difficult.
Raising the cost to have families.
Brainwashing children into castration cult.

Its meant to depopulate humans

>>509767044
No, because biology causes it, but Muslims aren't allowed by the west to live under sharia law. Only Afghans have resisted (their women had to undergo mandatory indoctrination classes given by US servicewomen), presumably because of the right mix of primitivism, tribalist militarism, and religion.

>>509752430
Trickle down economics works for all things unregulated and have high competition. Technology fixes this

>>509769311
or refine.

>>509768468
Liberian? What? As in Liberia, the country in West Africa?? The fuck do you mean by that.

Population shrinks
Government bureaucracy and services refused to shrink
Where to start? Those with points in soc sec over 55 get a buyout on points lump sum taxed. No more social security. It's stupid anyway..

>>509757856
afghanistan averaged at 4,52 births in 2022 (reported).
why? because women have basically no rights there and they will have even less now with the taliban.
simply women having any rights is enough to make birth rates crater.

>>509770063
what would you do with your lump sum anon?

>>509770057
It was started as a country for african americans to return to africa.

>>509757856
the terrible situation of east asia specifically is hidden by the larger asia category

>>509764271
go back to your shithole, parasite

>>509770506
I know that. You still want these monkeys alive? I know that the Americanized niggers enslaved the native ones in the 19th century, but their descendants still survived. The only option with Niggers and Muslims is their extermination.

>>509770506
40 acres and a mule would not be difficult.
Make a black nationalist famous.
I've preached reservations for years.
They should have did it with MalcolmX and the panthers.

>>509752298
Feminism didn't destroy birthrates. The developed world allowing the third world to reproduce beyond their means did. The world is just too fucking crowded and humans don't breed in captivity. There have been 2 billion (mostly brown scum,) added to the planet's population in the last 25 years.

>>509752039 (OP)
And that's a good thing

>>509758698
We don't live in a society.

>>509752039 (OP)
The problem is caused by feminism. The Jews encourage it because they want a smaller white population or even remove it entirely. The problem will be resolved by demographic shift which means there's going to be a lot more Hindus and Muslims than there already is and they will replace all the white people and the Jews will be all like, "Oh wait, we didn't want THAT to happen." but it'll be too late.

>>509759875
>gets BTFO
>immediately leaves

>>509771074
There goes the education argument LOL

>>509752039 (OP)
American women abort a million children per year.

>>509752958
the stupidity of people who don't understand statistics will be the end of the world. It's not the objective amount of cash that allows people to reproduce, it's the relative social position. Even soviet communism had a dropping population by the 1970s.
The only REAL factor that afficts birthrates at a total level is urbanization.
High urbanization = no children. EVEN if you forbid women from working. EVEN if you pay them a wage for having kids they won't if they have any choice at all. Cope and seethe

>>509771290
Hindus are not increasing either. It is only Muslims and Niggers. Christians and Hindus are only increasing mildly, based on residual growth.

>>509770757
>>509770810
You just keep them in the wildlife zones in africa and they'll fit in just fine.

>>509752039 (OP)
There is nothing wrong with having a shrinking population.
The idea that the population has to infinitely expand is clearly ridiculous, but the whole economy is based on it.
Also, the idea that you can just move some of the most unproductive people in existence from the place they have ruined into the West and suddenly they will become highly productive is retarded, but again, the economy rests on this assumption.

>>509771559
indeed. kek

>>509772159
give them guns and pop some popcorn.

>>509756427
>PCOS
I'm pretty sure carnivore can fix that.

>>509752039 (OP)
I would like to see the entire world population get down to 200 million. Then we can assess whether it needs to go up or down from there. The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

>>509752039 (OP)
no one wants to have kids for a variery of reasons.
two of them are
>everyone treats each other like shit
>the economy is just progressively getting worse

>>509774161
also the dating scene is abysmal

>>509772976
It
Takes
A
Village

Say it.

>>509774222
is takes

>>509752298
>Ask them why Feminism destroys birth rates. That question really mind fucks the white losers who are just sure Simping for women will get them a pretty wife.
Yup. Feminism, liberalism, women's rights, jewish influence, and a few other key factors are responsible for all of this.

>>509755922
>The cost/benefit analysis of procreation has completely flipped
Nobody does that, retard. "Family planning" is entirely a modern phenomenon and it's part of the problem.
Which is is entirely cultural.

>>509752039 (OP)
Cost of living increasing is the main factor. Everything else is gaslighting.

>>509773956
jew

>>509752430
>our own
They are not "our own". They sever other masters.
Do not identify with these criminals. This is one reason why these people are in power.

>>509774161
>you need to have kids goy
I can literally barely afford to take care of myself. Shit salary even with a degree. Owning my own place is literally impossible mathematically. Food and rent and bills getting more expensive each year while salary stays the same or you get a little raise. Caged animals don't breed anon, it's that simple. I don't care about religion or other bs when I can't afford to live even though I spend about 50% of my waking life working.

>>509752039 (OP)
It's happening everywhere. EU took in a bunch of niggers and Arabs for nothing. I hope the elites offspring in 200 years will enjoy the beazillification of the world. A world full of low IQ retards and trannies doing drugs while robots do the work. Will be like Bladerunner.

>>509761730
>There are too many browns, cut off all aid and stop feeding them
This. The second the aid system collapses, the mass famines begin. Africa and East Asia will lose a billion each just from starvation. Let alone the instability and wars that will be provoked. The bottom 15% of all 3rd world countries will either starve or begin rioting. I look forward to seeing what happens.

>>509767578
>>509767828
They have:
>Observed-to-Expected Fetal Losses Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Early Pregnancy

>Methods The study includes pregnancies in Israel....

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.06.18.25329352v1

Also pic related

>>509774546
you're right.
their penis tipped spears will be a much better show.

>>509752078
Nah, society may collapse, but the feminism dies with it.

>>509752039 (OP)
not in 3rd world shitholes though, it's only in first world countries where women are allowed to have opinions and refusing to play their role.

>>509774695
Thank you, Hans. Well said.

>>509768992
What? Do they plan to force aphrodisiac into the water?

>>509752039 (OP)
>all media is "children are the WORST and will ruin your lives"
>people dont have kids
>it's an epidemic!!! Ahhhhhh, oh well, we have all these sub 100 iq retards to replace you
It's like that was the plan all along. The same people talking about a lack of births are the same people telling you to not have kids and telling you that it's OK you're being replaced by others. Crazy how that works?

>>509775068
Implement the draft for women and they will shut the fuck up after the first war. Thankfully we have video cameras and digital storage devices to bring it up whenever they get bright ideas about being a boss bitch.

>>509774491
>people do not act based on economic and status incentives
You are a moron. People have been 'family planning' forever. Previously that 'planning' was often 'have as many children as possible for free labor/income streams/people to take care of you in old age' as is often the case among agrarian peoples. Sometimes it was 'have a few viable sons and abandon any fucked up ones in the wilderness and try not to have too many daughters' as in certain regions of Greece where a lot of food had to be imported and having many children was seen as a misfortune but not having at least one son was the death of your family line.
The truth is that previously having at least one child who survived to adulthood was a net benefit to the parents. They get labor, security, and some one to take over family enterprise for them as they reach old age. It was a good deal, and often the more you had the better off you were. In modern society having any child at all will always be a net negative for the parents, economically speaking. That people have children at all today speaks to our capacity to act against our economic interest for something we see as of higher import, if not just cultural inertia.

>>509752039 (OP)
fucking retard npr faggots, we have been talking about this here for almost 2 decades.

>>509760437
Anecdotally literally every single vaxxoid I had to be subjected to ca. 2021-2022 had side effects that indicated ongoing or future fertility problems. And I was subjected to many of them because all my coworkers were retarded women.
One chick I worked with said she bled for 3 months straight after getting it. Her reason for getting vaxxed was because she wanted to go on vacation. Instead of being fucking horrified by that like I was, our other vaxxoid coworkers admitted they had similar problems with heavy bleeding for absurd amounts of time. In any other context, a doctor would tell you that's a sign of major reproductive problems.
I don't know a single other woman my age that didn't get vaxxed at the time. I'm the only one that's had children that I know of but I think that has more to do with values. I truly feel bad for single men. There doesn't seem to be many women worth marrying and even if you found a decent one, chances are she's wrecked her fertility before you even met her.

Fewer humans the better. 8 billion is far too many

>>509769815
>refine
https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA?si=r4H4Bkwdb002PUFT

>>509765180
Keep dreaming.

Leeching off welfare and shitting up St Denis and downtown Paris, more like.

>>509761703
Nah. We still like sex more than ever. The problem is jews perverting the natural order. Women being empowered through social engineering, transfer of wealth, and birth control, and men being depowered through shaming, hypergamy culture, and other methods.

>>509774988
jew

>>509758419
>mom has a pussy like a baby
>while the dick of my father, who only showers once a week, never smells.
fascinating.

>>509776104
I'm unconcerned with the genes of others.
Reincarnation vessels are bloodline linked.

>>509752958
Oh, look you proved his point. Richfags aren't making 10+ kids while poorfags are making 0. We're all popping out ~2 kids a family.

>>509775509
Youre such a fucking retard. Do you think ancient Greeks didn't have to feed their kids? They just raised themselves? Delete your post then throw your stupid fucking cellphone into a lake to save your parents the 100 bucks a month they spend to have you post retarded shit on 4chan.

>>509757141
Women had high fertility rates for all of human existence until liberal individualism and dream-chasing collapsed the birthrates.

40% of the earth's population will be dead in 40 years.

>>509752039 (OP)
The consequences of white men giving women rights are eternal.

>>509778231
100% of the people born 80 years ago will be dead in 40 years.

>>509778396
every fallen large civilization was because of jews and women

>>509752430
>Trickle down economics
>Reddit spacing
Fuck off retard, giving more money to indolent niggers won't do anything.

>>509778466
communism
cura annonae

>>509760678
>>509762320
As genetic dead ends you are not in a position to be smug.

>>509777923
Retard, they didn't have welfare or financial institutions set up to take care of random people in their old age. You needed to have a son to take over your estate or be mobbed up.

For high functioning people having children is still important in power politics, but for lower class families that role has been taken by the state.

>>509752039 (OP)
>flood countries with niggers and make homes unaffordable because they're now commodities not homes.
>destroy any semblance of economic mobility.
>perpetual smoldering forever wars barely controlled
>make public schools a death sentence for any hope of raising a normal kid
>poison the food as well for lulz
WOW WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT HAVING KIDS HURRRRRRR DURRR. BETTER SHIP IN MORE SHITSKINS XDDDDD

>>509779596
Who pays for the welfare of old people, retard? Young people. You didn't answer the question. Did anciet Greeks not have to feed and raise their kids, retard? Yea, their kids MAY have taken over a business and now the youth PAY FUCKING TAXES which take care of the elderly in our communities. Top fucking tard. Stop posting.

>>509752078
Good.
>>509752430
Economics has nothing to do with producing children you fucking mouth breathing retard. There is absolutely no correlation. It has everything to do with liberalism as a core ideology and contraception. The relationship between female education and contraception and plummeting birth rates is undeniable. People were shitting out 12 children when they didn’t have a pot to piss in right up until about the turn of the 20th century. People shit kids out in Africa, India, china etc where they’re dirt poor because they want to have sex and the woman have little choice and no access to contraception. MuH PeOpLe CaNt AfFoRD KiDS. Nowhere has any of your brain dead strategies to economically incentivise people to have children worked, not in Russia, not in Poland, not in Hungary. BECAUSE ECONOMICS IS NOT THE ISSUE. You really think if you give modern women more money they’d choose to have kids, Jesus Christ you really are the most retarded Gorilla nigger they’d just spunk it ‘travelling’ or on ‘coffees dates with the girls’ ‘new clothes/makeup’ to ‘live their best life’. They are the ultimate consumers.

>>509780135
Infant mortality rates declining has been the largest contributor to declining birth rates, oddly enough.

>>509765120
feminism lives in your head, I get it. birth rates have declined in areas where feminism isn't really a thing

>>509752039 (OP)
So? You will never convince me this is a long term problem and not a solution.

>>509752958
>everyone is having 2 kids at most no matter the income
Did you even look at the chart you posted?

>>509752298
They'll throw out all the excuses but the answer is easy and inalienable: purchasing power.
Women joining the commercial work force as equals has doubled the supply of labour without doubling demand, thus wages are kept low.
The subsidies for their wages and incompetence in the public sector are drawn from loans taken with central banks, where taxpayers have the indignity of being made to pay the interest rate, not even the loans themselves.
Taxpayers who despite the disadvantages of a reduced wage and predatory inflation scheming still produce a net benefit to the economy.
Imagine how much more purchasing power people would have if the tax man didn't take half your wage and charged 21% VAT for the privilege of using the rest.

Fundamentally that's what it's about.
The restriction of purchasing power prevents the upward mobility of competent and strong men who can compete against the Jews who the cabal have put in charge.
Feminism is just one of the many tools in their box to achieve that goal.

>>509780794
>semantics
2.4 kids on average is 2 kids. Its not 3. It's 2. He said "everyone" which wasn't true but the average is closer to 2 than it is to 3 and you can't have a partial kid.

>>509780988
Women have failed to maintain civilization when given the responsibility.

because their men are unable to best them.
sad