>gospel author: Jesus said "..."
>me: how do you know he said that?
>gospel author: because God told me in a dream

>>509766341 (OP)
what are you on about, wop bro?
Can't really tell from your shit posts.
The Bible was under the Guidance of the Paraclete at the Counsel of Rome in the early 3rd century. It works. It's a book of stories, fables really, that have a "moral". Follow the moral code and it works and produces a great culture.
You're just a dumb ass.... never grew out of the 12 year old "There's no Santa Claus" smart ass stage. You only get the presents if you're good, dumbshit. You say no santa and act up, you get a lump of coal and a boot to yur ass.

>>509766699
You sound like you got a lump of coal.

>>509766341 (OP)
That's not how it worked.
People saw Jesus. They interacted with Jesus. They remembered Jesus. They passed down word of those interactions with Jesus, which formed what is known as Paradosis.
At some point, whether by eye witnesses themselves or by people recounting the Paradosis they were taught, stuff got written down. Little details here and there might have differed, but what mattered was that they reflected the Paradosis that had been handed down from the apostles. Different areas had different collections of books, but the main ones came to be agreed on due to their reflection of what the Apostles had handed them via word of mouth.
Eventually, after Christianity was legalized, the Church came together and decided which books it would officially recognize as a whole, based on what was most widely used and what best reflected the tradition that had been handed down.
The Gospels are inspired because Tradition is inspired, and it didn't come from dreams but from eye witness.

>>509766341 (OP)
>Italian doesn't know anything about Catholicism
Grim

>>509766699
>Follow the moral code and it works and produces a great culture.

>>509767287
>Little details here and there might have differed,
It's Jewish trickery. It's the same way they inflated the Holocaust numbers to 6,000,000.

>>509767287
>gospel author: hey, this is what people told me that Jesus said, it's probably true

>>509767093
No, dumb shit bro.
But you whine because:
Jews turned your women into e-whores.
Jews turned your job into slavery.
Jews turned your food into goyslop.
Jews turned your life into dying for the kike.
Jews destroyed your self esteem and self respect
Seems this Jew religion works pretty good for the Jews eh? You're a pathetic little toad.
But you laugh at Christianity, which in it's pure pre-protestant form, kept the damned kikes out.
Fucking idiot.

>>509766341 (OP)
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummies

>pic related

>>509767361
could be a nigger or a mudslime.
>>509767369
Protestants are golems of the kikes,
Christians kick out kikes in 1430
Jews invent the golem, a wicked creature that loves sin and Shekels, in 1545.
Simple as.
Kikes are not jews
Protestants are not Christians, but you kikes love to use them to slur the Christians.
I don't mind, there're no Christians left.

>>509768081
wouldn't even matter if you weren't full of shit.
The religion works.

>>509767361
You’re no longer the default. Most people don’t see the world through your lens anymore — not morally, not spiritually, not even culturally. And yet many Christians still talk and act as if society is just confused or strayed, like the truth is obvious and everyone else is simply missing it. But that’s not what’s happening. People aren’t uninformed about Christianity — they’ve heard it, they’ve lived around it, they’ve often been raised in it — and they’ve left it. Not because they didn’t get the message, but because they did.

Your faith doesn’t hold the same authority it once did, and pretending otherwise just makes you seem disconnected from reality. The cross no longer hangs over the collective conscience the way it used to. The language of guilt, salvation, sin, and obedience doesn’t land — it feels foreign or even manipulative to many. You can’t just assume everyone around you shares your framework. You’re not the cultural center anymore. You’re one voice in a noisy room. And until you understand that, you won’t be heard at all.

>>509768353
>The religion works.
Yes,if you like molesting little boys it's almost as good as Pashto Islam

>>509768297
lmao any chrsitcuck branch is by default jewsih golem

>>509768450
The Christians I know are all convinced that a great revival is just around the corner. Meanwhile I'm in my 50s and even then I'm usually the youngest person in any congregation.

Religion is Pan Human. All humans have it.
You can dream about not having religion. You can also fool yourself into thinking you don't need air. but as a social animal, you need a religion.
Some are obviously better than others. A proper society requires ethics, doing good just for the sake of doing good, being good to other people, helping them. Honesty. Paying fair day's pay for a fair day's work.
You don't get that now. Simple as.
You have no religion, The goddamned kikes knew white people would die out if they had no religion, and you're dying as a people; not even replacement birth rates.
Fucking idiots. You just owned yourself. But most of you in this thread are just kikes being assholes.

>>509767989
Basically.
Whether you believe it boils down to whether you believe the message in the first place. That doesn't change regardless of how it happened.

>>509768511
gave yourself away, kike. only kikes say "Christcuck".

More money needs to be sent to Hamas and Hezbollah. These kikes are out of control.

>>509768631
well, to be fair..
1) You're protestant. Maybe Novus Ordo, but still a protestant.
2) There's no Church teaching at all. It's gone. It's corrupted. Kikes won. The white race is doomed, and as the host dies, so does the parasites (jews).

>>509766341 (OP)
based gospel authors

>>509766699
>There's no Santa Claus
you'll have to provide evidence that he doesn't exist chud

>>509766341 (OP)
You ingrate north-africa rape baby, your entire country wouldn't even exist now if it weren't for Christianity.

>>509766699
>THE JEWS FROM ROME OK’D IT SO ITS TRUTH
It produced a culture that is owned outright by jews.

>>509767287
Paul never met jesus.
The intentions of the church were not pure and good.
The nag hammadi codex got axed because it taught the real christianity instead of saved by grace jew worship.

>>509769113
>Paul never met jesus.
Neither of them were real, dummy

>>509768650
Religion is intellectual cowardice disguised as wisdom—the refuge of minds too weak to confront reality without cosmic babysitters yet too arrogant to admit their ignorance. The religious believer represents peak midwit pathology: sophisticated enough to recognize life's fundamental meaninglessness and mortality's finality, but psychologically too fragile to accept these truths without retreating into elaborate fantasy systems about invisible sky parents who validate their existence. They've transcended the hunter-gatherer's honest relationship with uncertainty but lack the intellectual backbone to construct meaning through reason alone, instead demanding that the universe care about their personal comfort and provide them with eternal significance they haven't earned.

The religious mind exhibits the worst of both intellectual extremes—the simple person's gullibility combined with the sophisticated person's capacity for self-deception. These are people who can perform complex reasoning when it serves their predetermined conclusions but immediately abandon logical standards when confronted with evidence that threatens their psychological security blanket. They've weaponized intelligence in service of stupidity, using their cognitive abilities not to discover truth but to construct increasingly elaborate rationalizations for believing what they desperately need to be true. The religious believer is essentially a grown adult who still needs bedtime stories about cosmic justice and personal immortality, too emotionally stunted to find meaning in finite existence and too intellectually dishonest to admit they've chosen comforting lies over difficult truths. They represent the failure of human reason—smart enough to know better, too weak to do better.

>>509768353
>the religion works
To do what
Until 300 years ago christian women were throwing babies into rivers
Now christians insist that a single cell has a soul with limitless value and thou shalt not expunge it

Christ literally says you can not execute sexual deviants

>>509766341 (OP)
Based critical thinker. always question the jew and especially the big jew

>>509769113
It really boils down to whether you believe the testimony that was handed down, the main point was that it didn't come to anyone in a dream, just as it wasn't handed down from above.
Just "made up"? A distinct possibility. People could have made up stories, spread them by word of mouth, then used that made up tradition (which might have evolved) to confirm books that had been written later on which backed it up. The point is that verbal tradition preceded written tradition and the authors themselves didn't necessarily make it up personally.

>>509769489
>the main point was that it didn't come to anyone in a dream, just as it wasn't handed down from above.
That's correct, the Gospels are mostly rewrites of the Septuagint, with shorter sections based on wider Hellenic literature

>>509769489
Do you believe the church had pure intent?

Look at the wealth they hoard and from what empire they descend.
ROMAN CONVERTS, WE TAKE IT BACK, YOU CAN EAT PORK, ALSO, GOD SAYS YOU MUST OBEY THE KING!

>>509769648
Agreed. Although personally I don't see that as a point for or against their validity, the authors were mostly trying to encapsulate oral tradition into something written.
I'm guess I'm just saying it's a lot messier than most people on either side want it to be. I don't know where I stand personally.

>>509769830
>the authors were mostly trying to encapsulate oral tradition into something written.
What oral tradition? How does a passage that's word-for-word identical in 1st Kings and Mark, apart from the changed names, reflect oral tradition?

>>509769720
I honestly don't know.
And it's possible they had a proper well-meaning intent but were just working with traditions people made up.
It really boils down to whether you accept the message or not I guess.

>>509769279

I don't understand what you're jabbering on about. Please explain in greater detail.

>>509769922
I mean, oral tradition is just stuff that supposedly happened that was passed down by word of mouth. Those stories could have well been added into the oral tradition by people who meant well. Or it could have been authors who were taking artistic license.
Ancient authors really didn't have the same view of historical authenticity that we do. It was often more about the validity of the message than a statement of facts. What mattered often was the degree to which narratives reflected something that was true in a "greater" sense to them -- you see the same attitude in Greek myth, for example. The gods didn't necessarily literally do the things attributed to them but the stories reflected aspects of nature that were considered to belong to them.
I'm not arguing with you so much as saying authors took a ln approach back then we'd largely call bullshitting today. But they did it with stories that actually happened as well.

>>509766699
But European culture was infinitely better pre-christkikery

>>509769929
Church canon and the original Christianity have two very different messages

Church canon: saved by saying sorry, passive obedience to worldly authority, tolerance of "mistakes"
Original Christianity: Saved by purity, refusal of worldly authority, intolerance of evil
Church canon: Jews simply rejected the messiah and can be saved
Original Christianity: Jews are fundamentally evil and the god of the torah is a demon, not the true God who was Christ

Why did Christian rome pass so many laws protecting Jews? By 600, it was illegal to insult a jew.

>>509769940
Christianity attracts those who lack the intellectual courage to face reality's moral complexity, offering them a childish fairy tale where daddy-God sorts everyone into neat piles of good and bad. This primitive worldview appeals to people who would rather cling to simplistic categories than develop the mental sophistication needed to understand that evil and good exist within every human being, including themselves.

The religion serves as a psychological crutch for those too frightened to acknowledge their own darkness, instead projecting all their feared impulses onto convenient scapegoats like Satan or "the unsaved." Christians flee from self-examination into the comforting delusion that they're fundamentally different from those they condemn, terrified of discovering that they're capable of the same cruelty and selfishness they claim to oppose. This cowardly refusal to integrate their shadow creates stunted personalities who mistake moral posturing for actual virtue, living in constant fear of the very human complexity they've spent their lives desperately trying to escape.

>>509766341 (OP)
Reject the desert, all Abrahmism is Jewish.
>>509769182
Paul was real but not a saint, he was a Jewish agent with the mission of subverting peoples with the new Jewish trick.

>>509770417
It's an interesting point, and I honestly don't know.
Messages shift as they're passed down. It really boils down to whether one believes God preserved the overall message or didn't.
Catholics and Orthodox would say He preserved Oral tradition (or that it developed while maintaining overall integrity) and that Scripture hinges on that. Protestants would say Scripture is the best reflection of Tradition we have and that Oral Tradition evolved away. Non-Christians would say it was all always bullshit from the beginning and it evolved over time.
I've always found it a fascinating discussion but I honestly don't have an answer.

>>509768461
Your bad faith arguments constantly show how full of shit you antichrists are. It's baffling that you think your efforts would change anything. You can not defeat the Word of God, ever. You are just liars and that can not argue in good faith and rather suffer some kind of unclean spirit.

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

>>509770931
Christianity was so weak that it got absolutely obliterated by Reddit-tier atheism in the 2000s. Not by some grand philosophical movement, not by a major intellectual revolution—by smug, fedora-wearing Redditors copy-pasting Dawkins quotes. That’s all it took. The so-called "eternal truth" that ruled the West for centuries couldn’t even survive some greasy nerds making fun of Noah’s Ark and pointing out that evolution exists. Christian apologists were left flailing, unable to handle even the most surface-level attacks on their beliefs, because there was never any real depth to defend in the first place. Once people stopped being forced to believe, Christianity crumbled under its own contradictions, unable to withstand even the mildest scrutiny from under-socialized Redditors.

>>509768631
Literally all your zoomers came back to Catholicism, they know your LARP was bullshit
There's been articles about it recently, you can look it up

>>509771234
>Bro made up his mind as a 13 year old youtube viewer and never went back to verify if you were actually a fucking retard at 13
You people are midwits