Legendary conservative Dr. Charles Murray says that it's easy to start a family and make good money in America, and that younger people are just being lazy ungrateful retarded assholes. Is he right?

https://www.twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1941931632556143063

>>509777293 (OP)
He is 100% correct. Young people just don't want to work.

>>509777293 (OP)
>Out of touch, narcissist boomer thinks it's still the 1980s
YWNBAW

In Australia they prefer to have a lot of employees working on zero hour contracts or very few hours each week
It's all about making you desperate for work rather than you seeing it as a right you have as an employee

>$15 an hour for an unskilled job
>thinking a convenience store is going to give someone 48 hours

>>509777293 (OP)
Are you baiting me with that profile picture?

>>509777388
Somebody couldn't read all the way to the bottom.

>>509777483
Murray says it's actually easier now to start a family in the US than it was in the 1950's. The reason people AREN'T doing so is laziness and selfishness.

>>509777293 (OP)
>>509777388
>Young people just don't want to work
actual problem is that young women don't want to get married. Zoomers would double their family income if women would reject feminism and get married.

been over this
he assumes that:

transportation to work is solved and paid for separately from this equation
the married couple has access to capital enough to buy their own home rather than rent
that neither member of the couple has any debt to service whatsoever
that both partners will be able to secure full time positions at their entry level jobs (otherwise they won't secure any benefits, as part time positions are typically not offered benefits)
that they will be able to work overtime in their entry level positions after securing a full time position
the benefits will cost them nothing (employers typically pay a portion, not all, of healthcare plans)
that, in one (1) year, the man will be able to secure a management position
that neither partner will suffer a major setback (health condition, injury, accident, job loss)

furthermore, this retard apparently doesn't understand that hours worked over 40 in a week are mandated by law to be paid at an overtime rate of 1.5x the hourly rate, as his calculations do not factor in OT pay (which would bring the pay rate up to $81,120

but trust the experts amirite

>>509777293 (OP)
Boomers are completely disconnected from reality. Quality of life has collapsed. Atomization means more non-work labor for individuals. You can't just have your kids walk home from school anymore. Kids can't ride bikes anymore. They have to be monitored 24/7. They need to be in daycare. If you don't start preparing them for college in kindergarten, they have fallen behind.

The free range childhoods that boomers had are simply not possible. You could go to a state school in the 1970s study French, and then get a job working in accounting or something. Every aspect of life is managed and bureaucratized now. You can't get a job unless you have the exact credentials. Everything is behind a mountain of paperwork and bullshit. Why? Boomers don't want competition so they added gatekeeping and an extra layer of bullshit laws to absolutely everything.

>>509777991
He says that but hes a dumb out of touch boomer so who gives a fuck?

I'm a single man making as much as he's quoting and I couldn't afford to live on my own. After working my job for two and a half years with excellent performance month after month, I received a 30% pay cut.

>>509778242
He's one of the top advisers to the Trump administration and helps set things like social and economic policy. Allegedly, part of the motivation for the Medicaid cuts is to get young men back to work, something Murray has talked about for years.

>>509777293 (OP)
>start a family
Or.
They could not have a family and instead, work less and take vacations flying round the world and allow the USA to collapse instead.

>>509778394
>NEET "Chads" gloating for years about their tismbux
>now they have to go back to work

someone's gotta do the jobs that were taken by the illegals we're chucking out. if you're autistic, you can work a tape measure and bang a hammer.

The modern world is pointlessly complex because boomers decided it should be that way.

>>509777293 (OP)
it'll be so nice when these boomers are all dead. housing will be cheap again and so will many other things.

>>509778394
That doesn't address the OP at hand, his ridiculous tweet, it's asinine. What's the fascination with young men and medicare? Are zoomers smoking weed playing call of duty thinking oh man I got it made as long as I have my medicare? Wtf? They are going to smoke weed and play videogames without Medicare too, kicking out the illegals is one of many steps, but it's continued on like this for so long I doubt they have the skills they should of gotten from life before, to do the jobs that have opened up. Even so, now young men have a "good job" with some money, women are still annoying tatted up single mothers, movies suck, restaurants are pricey slop

>>509778394
He's still a retarded boomer. The minimum wage in 1955 was $1/hr. That's 4 silver quarters which today would be worth about $26. Granted, a modern dual income family each making $15/hr totals $30/hr, but they still have to pay for daycare.

>>509778063
I also assume those numbers are after taxes, correct?

>>509777293 (OP)
Can you be my gf?

>>509777293 (OP)
Murray is a zio-cuck neocon

>out of touch
>boomer mindset
>blah blah blah
No, he's right in the details of his argument, he just doesn't realize the real problem. Married couples aren't forming in the first place.

>>509777293 (OP)
Much like the smell, no one ever thinks of the cost.

>>509779983
Id rather be used as a temporary fleshlight for a 10/10 then settle for a 6/10

>have a baby
>work 20 hours
The fuck?

>>509779983
People aren't getting married because they're too busy trying to get a foot in the door. The reason we have adults who feel like children until they are 30 is because boomers won't allow them to become adults.

>>509777293 (OP)
>Trans 4 life
Kill yourself

>>509777293 (OP)
>wife has a baby and goes back to working 20 hours a week

what a clown he is definitely not getting laid if his wife reads that

>>509780452
He has 4 kids.

>>509778394
Medicaid doesn’t magically give you money, unless you’re a drug dealer lmao

>>509777604
It’s like that here in America. I was practically begging for more hours at my last interview and they still didn’t hire me.

>>509777293 (OP)
this guy is legit retarded.
>15 an hour
so 600 a week without account for all the taxes
so under his scenario they make 1200 if those job even gave 40 hours.

so this guy saying pay one month rent basically week, now you gotta account for utilities, and your gas bill and now you get
money for food.

>think you can get a fucking promotions

>>509777293 (OP)
>thinks 48 hour weeks for $74k is a good thing
fuck republicans
fuck them in the ass

>>509777648
Also on that wage it's probably not easy to afford a decent place, so you're stuck living in a shitty apartment surrounded by niggers or a trailer which isn't that much better

The biggest reason familes are not being formed in the US is that 1)feminist thought dominates women, dont want to have kids until their biological clocks get too loud to ignore and by then its too late because 2) men have learned through countless examples that having anything to do with such women beyond using them as a masturbation device will do them more harm than good, so they dont.

>>509777991
This doesn't even take into account the complete destruction of the social contract and how women just do whatever the fuck they want now, responsibility is a completely foreign concept to modern bitches, how is a guy supposed to trust women like this?

>>509777293 (OP)
Money is a significant problem, but it is far from the first one.

>>509777604
>It's all about making you desperate for work rather than you seeing it as a right you have as an employee
Yep, control of the plebes comes before profit. Money is about power, ultimately.

>>509777604
Also, I remember after the 2008 crash, places were less likely to hire a person they thought was looking for a long-term career. They just wanted bodies to fill in for a few months and then move on. Talking about building a career at the company would ruin your interview.
Is it like that again, anons, in the job world?

>>509777293 (OP)
>please have kids to take care of us, the boomers shouted
And I still said, no.

>>509778394
I don't think young, single men are the primary beneficiaries of medicaid. Just a scapegoat

>>509777293 (OP)
>wagies getting full-time hours and benefits
>affording a home working at fadt food
This nigger is fucking retarded.

>>509777293 (OP)
The real problem is that there's a gender cold war

>>509777293 (OP)
LOL
>15$/hr @40hrs per week x2 = $51k after all taxes depending on the state
>$51k per year = $4250 per month for two people
>rent is $2k minimum if you don't want to live around niggers and spics
>you're left with $2250
>Gas is $150 per month x2 = $300
>you have $1950 left
>Groceries are $400 per person = $800
>you have $1150 left
>car insurance is $200 per person = $400
>you have $750 left
>how about medical, dental, and vision insurance? You're left with maybe $200
>how about 401k, you don't want to be working forever do ya?
>you're now left with $0 and thats assuming no car payments, and never needing maintenance done to your shitboxes, didn't cover cell phone, household stuff like shampoo and toilet paper (not included in groceries)
>you get to stare at the wall in your free time
>a child would bankrupt you
also no mcjob is handing out overtime, I used to work at a grocery store and you got written up for going over 40hrs if you were full time and almost weekly they'd be "cutting" hours by sending people home early so you'd only end up with 34-36 hour per week instead anyway
>promoted to manager
KEK, better hope you're not White and if you are, you better hope some nigger doesn't apply
>$25/hr...
Try $17/hr after starting at $15 if you even get promoted at all

>>509778423
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

he's so out of touch that its not even funny

>Man makes $15/hr
>JK NOW IT'S $25/hr AFTER ONE YEAR!

Total bullshit. There's no upward mobility like that anymore and it defeats his initial premise of two people working on $30/hr.

Boomers can't die out fast enough

>>509781770
Any normal woman will cheat on you or leave you quickly if you work so much and are rarely home. Anyone who agrees and does not cheat on you will simply be a psycho with martyr syndrome.

>>509777293 (OP)
lol conservatives are always going to say that shit.

>>509777293 (OP)
>implying grocery stores / fast food restaurants will schedule you for 48hrs instead of 35 to avoid giving you benefits
Total
Boomer
Death

>>509781918
Exactly, I started my grocery store job in my early 20s making $9 per hour part time, I got promoted to full time a year later making $11 per hour, then the following year I was promoted to department manager making $14/hr. There were no more promotions after this aside from assistant store manager/store manager and its nearly impossible to get those jobs because they pay good salary and there are already so many people "in line" for them. I worked as a department manager for 3 years with tiny 2% raises, I quit after 3 years as a manager making like $14.75 per hour.... 75 cents in raises in 3 fucking years.

>>509777293 (OP)
>WHERE'S THE WOMEN, MURRAY?
>HOW ABOUT ANOTHER JOKE, MURRAY?

>>509778394
>Allegedly, part of the motivation for the Medicaid cuts is to get young men back to work,
Lol, like I give a fuck about Healthcare. Go get boosted while I keep NEETing.

>>509778893
The women won't be unfucked, figuratively and literally.

What an old fucking retard.

I will only vote republican when all of these snotty cocksuckers are out on their asses, begging for money outside the synagogue.

>>509779434
>What's the fascination with young men and medicare?
It's a fantasy that white boomers came up with to justify cuts to a welfare program that they promise to everyone else for votes.
It came about because removing this welfare for millions of illegal spics and nigger generational welfare qeens wasn't enough of a justification in their mind to cut it.

>>509778394
The only motivation for the medicaid cuts is to enrich private ensurers
For the party of skepticism toward big pharma the GOP love the medical insirance industry
>americans pay almost 2x more per capita on healthcare than the next-most expensive OECD nation btw

>>509782040
This also, but even worse, no woman is dating some guy who only makes $15 per hour especially if she makes the same and still has to work 40 hours per week just to pay bills and never do anything fun. She will 100% leave you if she even gives you a chance in the first place. I've never met a woman that likes to work. What this retarded boomer should have realized is that, as a man, you must be making a minimum of $70k by yourself to be entertained for a relationship. If you cannot cover all of the bills comfortably with spending money left over to take her out every weekend, you are fucked.

>>509777293 (OP)
>>509777388
>>509777483
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>>509777661
wait this is the same scientist who proved BBC is better and bigger than TWP

>>509778063
Go easy on Charles. He went to Harvard. He doesn't understand the real world.

>>509777293 (OP)
>TRANS 4LIFE pfp
Off yourself.

>>509782164
Exactly. Even if you do try to cover other shifts, it only takes like one week of going into OT for a general manager or district manager to sit you down and either converse or give writeups for going into OT on purpose. Companies abhor OT and will take steps to ensure it doesn't happen. There's no way to work 48 hours consistently.

>>509782193
And then he forgets once you're management/salary at a place, you're salaried. Thus 40 hours a week regardless of how much extra you put in. That's 25-30 an hour in the best case scenarios, but that's still hardly living well. More like scraping by.

>>509784014
>he forgets
Careful: he's not forgetting, he's lying. Always remember, these people aren't stupid, they're evil. The people who killed the American dream and raped you of your future and your foreskin know exactly what they're doing. They sucked this country dry and left you to fight with third worlders for its hollowed out husk because they wanted to go on a cruise.

>>509778108
>Boomers are completely disconnected from reality. Quality of life has collapsed. Atomization means more non-work labor for individuals. You can't just have your kids walk home from school anymore. Kids can't ride bikes anymore. They have to be monitored 24/7. They need to be in daycare. If you don't start preparing them for college in kindergarten, they have fallen behind.
>The free range childhoods that boomers had are simply not possible. You could go to a state school in the 1970s study French, and then get a job working in accounting or something. Every aspect of life is managed and bureaucratized now. You can't get a job unless you have the exact credentials. Everything is behind a mountain of paperwork and bullshit. Why? Boomers don't want competition so they added gatekeeping and an extra layer of bullshit laws to absolutely everything.
Truth

>"Legendary" conservative turns out to be an out-of-touch retard
damn I could never have guessed

>>509777604
same in england
t.chef on minimum wage

>>509778508
>someone's gotta do the jobs that were taken by the illegals we're chucking out.
Nope. 20% of all jobs are projected to be replaced by AI in the next 10 years. We don't need people to work like they used to

>>509777293 (OP)
>young married couple

Already lost 70% of milennials and gen z.

Boomer fuck.

>>509777293 (OP)
>Legendary
Posts a literal who nobody knows.
Buy an ad, kike.

>>509786216
Conservative politicians and donors know who he is. One of his big takes is that the US has to embrace some kind of pretend, marketing-based White nationalism because he's scared of National Socialism.

Anyway, the real problem with this thread and Murrary's thinking is that there simply isn't that much work to do in our society anymore. It's not zero, but overwhelming amounts of labor in law, law enforcement, tax compliance, marketing, retail, finance, real estate, etc. is entirely unproductive and parasitic.

>>509778423
This is why you will be replaced in a few years.

A true good goyim.

Have a shekel

>>509785176
He represents the MAGA agenda at the policy level.

>>509777293 (OP)
Having children always meant sacrifice and inconvenience. The modern generations have grown up with amenities that only the rich enjoyed just a few generations ago.

>Technological progress has boomed to a point where we have many time-saving devices
>Still need to slave every day of the week to afford a normal life.
>Why aren't the poor contributing to our rich lifestyle

>>509785176
His latest tweet is all about
>if only one or two small forgettable colleges would only admit 1500 SAT students they could surpass Amherst and Williams college and good junior profs could go there and DEI would be slightly harmed

Fucking idiot. You don't learn shit in college, it's just being tested against textbooks. And smoking weed.
Harvard is one of the last places where only a large minority smoke weed and sleep around, everywhere else it's non stop party. Williams and Amherst it's LSD central.

This fucking boomer and his hard-on for the university system.

>>509777293 (OP)
Murray is a race traitor sociopath who wants to flood the West with Asians for muh GDP. His ilk simply must die.

>>509778394
>destroy all trust in the pharmaceutical industry
>thinks young healthy men need insurance when you can defer emergency expenses till you die with no downsides
>top adviser

wife makes 140k as a PT
i make 120k as an it guy
im 36 and shes 37.
we have 3 kids.
house is paid off and its worth 410k

i dont know guys seems pretty easy to just get married, work, and pay your bills?

>>509778394
Where the fuck are these jobs that young men can get easily right now?

>>509789880
No one is getting hired in IT anymore.
Houses cost >500k now, almost double price increase since 2019 so if you bought back then it's a different universe.
Women don't go out with non-Chads anymore.

>>509789880
Your wife fucks her clients

>>509777293 (OP)
>They both work a 48 hour week
They'll get scheduled only 32

>>509777293 (OP)
>places don't give hours!
literally only fast food places do this, my job takes no education and pays over 21 an hour and its not even hard (i'm a fuck up ok dont make fun)

I live in a shit but affordable city on the West coast at this wage (900$ 1b/r). I've saved tens of thousands over the years, could definitely afford a kid alone, without my current gfs income and she even makes more than me

>>509777293 (OP)
>Clueless boomer says a thing

>>509791726
Physical Therapists deal almost exclusively with people 70 an up or kids, did you think she makes 140k as a personal trainer? Get it together Bruce

i wont lie, mental health is the primary reason i havent started a family, im actually okayish on money, but i have trauma induced schzoid shit from this evil society and women dont want to fix me, it just sucks, when youre mentally ill you just have to kind of retire from society or go berserk

>>509792014
We say physio here, PT's are personal trainers. My opinion about your wife's adultery hasn't changed.

>>509792112
yeah this is where I'm at too, anon. I have every trait that women are looking for except extremely mentally ill and I don't think I have the capacity for romantic love anymore. With my last gf of two years I just felt dead inside.

>>509792112
I'd start a family if anyone wanted to hire me and anyone wanted to date me.
But I feel the same way like being around normies makes me want to jump off a bridge. I dono't know why I can't stand it so badly.

>>509777293 (OP)
>convenience and fast-food store chains are desperate for workers they can promote
is this a joke? these places have the audacity to ask for professional references just to hire burgerflippers now

>>509777388
>after a year promoted to store manager
He's delusional.

>>509792291
its alright, lets just reduce our suffering and increase our joys and not worry about things that arent our fault

>>509777388
Working is for goys

>>509792396
its alright, lets be grateful for small joys

>>509777293 (OP)
>promotion in fastfood
>gets raise of 10/hr

>>509777293 (OP)
He's assuming that a low cost of living area has demand for another two full time convenience store workers (what small town 7/11 needs two overnight clerks?), and that the husband lucks in to a vacancy in a management position (why would the previous manager vacate before retirement age?).

>>509780750

>>509777293 (OP)
both can be true

>>509777293 (OP)
He's just another boomer that needs to get roped

>>509779636
of course not, do the math. it's very easy

$15 x 48 x 2 x 52 = $74,880

our dear retard Charles is clearly very sheltered, he apparently doesn't even understand overtime

>>509777388
Kys

>>509777293 (OP)
>Trans for life
Lmao

>>509792496
It been good finally hitting age 30. I used to feel like I was missing out on life in my 20s, but now I realize that I was and am living life the way I was meant to. I'm rambling, but life is in a good place now. I did some hookups last year and they sent me to a bad place mentally for months, fucked up my routines and everything - I literally cannot date seriously or casually without it throwing my brain and life into neurotic shambles, but this year has been peaceful. I hope life is good for you too anon. I've been getting into my childhood video games again and its bringing me lots of peace.

>>509778108
Fuck my life

>>509781018
This is the bigger issue, people had kids in one room log cabins in Indian country.

>implying a grocery store is going to let anyone work 8 hours of overtime every week
>implying a grocery manager makes 25 an hour after stocking shelves for a year

>>509782661
Land ownership lol, the rest of you are lost in the wilderness

>>509779983
>Married couples aren't forming in the first place.
This. A woman won't even spit on a guy that works for $15/hour stacking shelves. If she is stacking shelves herself, she has a side gig as OF whore, sugarbabies on Seeking, or just goes on foodie dates and gets railed by Chad. The guys comes home, goons to OF, donates to vtubers and shitposts on 4chan.

Yeah they aren't giving those hours, they aren't promoting, you aren't finding a home near that workplace and you sure as shit will be taxed to kingdom come even if you do

I'd rather face fuck this old faggot boomer than have to work a 48 hour week for a shittier quality of life than my dad had working 40.

>>509780750
no one would ever bother living in jokelahoma.

>>509795519
he's right though you can make over $100k managing a Wawa yet millenials are too embarrassed to do a job where they might be seen by their high school acquaintances

>>509782002
It's hilarious how no one ever blames the boomers anywhere near as much as they should. They're a generation of thieves.

>>509777293 (OP)
>wife with baby work 20 hours a week
So just never be a family together? I have a 3 year old and 8 month old and wife just doesn't work at all and we qualify for free healthcare and food stamps. Even if she worked full time again, daycare costs would be more than what she earns. Yes you can get by and pass the kids off while management salary fags can do nothing all day and take off whenever they want without losing pay and spend weekends with their families on vacation. It's really not that simple.

>>509777293 (OP)
They’d be destined to living paycheck to paycheck. The boomer is stuck in the independence mindset of moving out at 18 and fending for yourself. That doesn’t work now unless you make a salary well above average. The best strategy to actually get ahead financially (other than a high salary) is through multigenerational households. Pooling resources with your family to save on housing, vehicles, etc.

what fast food place is letting you have 48 hours a week on an hourly position?

mexicans in usa make more kids for less except spoilers they just dont get married for the benefits are better

>>509777388
true
I'm still working on getting my 5 years of experience for the entry level job, but once I do, sailing my way to an easy life

>>509781155
Nobody even really wants to hire full time and they definitely don't want to offer benefits. I even had a part time job offer 4 hours a week. The job market is ridiculous.

>>509777293 (OP)
>the husband has been promoted to store manager
>or higher
>after one year
L M A O
also troon op kys

>>509782800
I'm absolutely baffled by how many "elites" are so fucking clueless about the world.