In America, taking away birthright citizenship is just a way to strip the working class of rights.

It won't solve your immigration crisis. Your economy is still fundamentally dependent on immigration. What you're doing, instead, is just turning America into a place where people who are born here aren't granted any rights under the constitution.

In our lifetimes, it won't make much of a difference. But over the course of generations it will lead to a 2-tiered fascist society where citizenship is no longer guaranteed but earned. This is the true purpose of the policy. The rightwingers are masters of sneaking their agendas in under the radar and manipulating publics into consenting to them.

In other nations, birthright citizenship is not necessarily the norm. That's definitely factual and I recognize that so I am posting pic related. But non western countries are either not capitalist or at least not heavily so. And so they dont have meaningful immigration because theyre not reliant on it for the very survival of their economy.

In America, we're just creating a no-rights slave class the same way nazis did to the jews in the 1930s. The way to fix this problem would be the adopt revolutionary far left economic policies which would remove your nation's reliance on mass immigration for its survival. But you would have to be voting for far leftists in order for this to happen. Not far rightists. Far rightists, in the long term, just make you rely even more on immigration.

>>509783306 (OP)
based, fuck browns, fuck illegals, fuck immigrants

>>509783306 (OP)
>lived in the woods as an animal for 2 years
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/509284601/#509290186
>reform jewish convert
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/507791421/#q507801026
>attempted exorcising /pol/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/493964631/#493964631
>jokes about pogromming christians but he's just joking
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/504221818/#504221818
>communicates with spirits
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38007298/#q38007562
>admitedly isn't open to discussion
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508542444/#q508545795
>a short summary of things he thinks we should rebel against:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40218150/#40218150
>PS I have made posts before telling you people that Judaism is the religion followed in all of space.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40432462

>>509783306 (OP)
you already have a thread, stop spamming the board
>>>509781755

>>509783306 (OP)
I don't know a single far-left person who isn't a raging open borders, "race is a social construct", cultural marxist.

I would literally vote for Stalin if he was Nationalistic, pro-natalist and anti-immigration, but you people just can't help yourselves with your retarded ideology where everything is class and DNA isn't real.

>>509783893
Why am I not allowed to have more than 1 thread on the board at once? The affirmed maximum in the board rules are 3 at once no?

>>509784020
I dunno someone like you is totally blinded by hate and indoctrinated by American television where you can't grasp nuance. Leftists are never going to pander to your racism but at hte same time you're too stupid to realize how your racism is being manipulated to get you voting for an openborders economic system where the openborders are not optional.

>>509783306 (OP)
>Your economy is still fundamentally dependent on immigration.
take your GDP and shove it up your ass, shlomo

>>509784289
Well its still you responsible for it all even when you make empty pandering political statements like that one. Its you and not leftists and not your jewish scapegoats.

>>509783434
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7995458/
Average Puerto Rican height is the same average height as Mexicans

>>509784120
See this is why I would never vote for a far-left guy, no matter how based he might be on some economic points. You all have cultural and racial blinders on and refuse to see the truth because it doesn't fit into your naive worldview. If you ignore racial differences and their consequences I will never take you serious.

>>509785773
Those racist feelings you have are just used by rich people to manipulate you into consenting to your own enslavement, man. Surely you must be able to see that. It's alrite to have racial tensions to some extent. To some extent its normal. But with people like you, you're unable to see passed it. Its tragic.

>>509783306 (OP)
Birthright for LEGAL RESIDENTS
Holy crap how are democrats sonstupid.

>>509785992
It's not about "racism" it's about genetics, hard science and data. I also don't "hate" anyone so I don't know you keep projecting that on me.

It's very easy to strawman me as le ebil racist, that way I fall into your very childlike worldview.

>It's alrite to have racial tensions to some extent. To some extent its normal. But with people like you, you're unable to see passed it. Its tragic.
Pure strawman. I see beyond race all the time. I have many non-White friends and not every issue is racial. Many points on the left I agree with, but you couple it with a bunch of colorblind unscientific nonsense I don't agree with. You're just wrong about that and I am right and all the science backs me up. And to be a good leader you CANNOT ignore it.

Not every issue is racial, I agree, but some ARE and that's what you people can't admit. Note I didn't say we need to acknowledge "racism" , I said we need to acknowledge "race".

>>509786729
Stop wasting your time, this anon is simply incapable of understanding your points, he will dismiss you as a nazi spouting nazi rhetoric that you learned from mass media.
If you check out the archives posted ITT, you'll see that his mind is just too fragile to entertain a nuanced view of the world.

>>509786729
There's no science that justifies your views. Only pseudoscience. But even if there was what difference would it make? You don't want to recognize humanity in others? And the people who are pandering to that maliciousness are also unwilling to recognize humanity in you.

>>509787613
>There's no science that justifies your views. Only pseudoscience
Wrong.
>You don't want to recognize humanity in others?
Again, strawman.
>And the people who are pandering to that maliciousness are also unwilling to recognize humanity in you.
YOU are unwilling to recognize the humanity in me by continuously strawmanning me as le ebil nazi

I'm done talking to you. You are so indoctrinated you are incapable of even trying to see the other side. You think everyone who doesn't share every single aspect of your naive ideology is evil. You behave like a child.

>>509788528
>509787613
So on a scale of 1 to 10, how convincing do you find OP?
Any feedback?

>>509783306 (OP)
>American flag
>Says your instead of our when talking about the American economy
Kill yourself, invader.
>Your economy is still fundamentally dependent on immigration.
>Uses words such as fundamentally in a vain jewy attempt at intimidation
Kill yourself. The economy changes. Kill yourself.

>>509783306 (OP)
The far left all over the world welcomes immigration. Kill yourself.

>>509783306 (OP)
i dont think that map is true.. some isis bride without nationality gave birth to "finnish" child in al-hol :D
at least our government evacuated them here.. fucked up

>>509783306 (OP)
I’m going to personally deport you back to brown town

>>509787613
>You don't want to recognize humanity in others?
Not him but only a pampered piece of shit who has never had to live with these sub-human savage animals think shit skins are human. The one black doctor that lives in your lily white neighborhood is the top 1% of niggers who aren't violent and who are actually intelligent. I don't have any problem with him. Nobody has a problem with him. It's not "racism" to see reality and acknowledge facts. The bottom 90% of niggers are violent savage, sub-human animals and it has NOTHING to do with "socioeconomic factors."

>>509788575
To be fair, in this thread I am not really trying to be convincing. Otherwise I'd not have chosen the pic I did. Just trying to inform. In this instance just trying to inform the public on what the rightwing's agenda is.

>>509789090
No. You don't know what you're talking about. I grew up dirt poor and today I live in a highly multi-ethnic area.

>>509789164
Could you please give an example of what it's like when you try to be convincing and actually see the other side?

>>509789625
Those aren't connected "be convincing and actually see the other side." FFS.

>>509789695
Saying that is both unsurprising and very telling about you.
You convince people by actually understand where they are coming from and lead them to your position. If you make a wrong assumption about the convincee, your attempt at persuasion will not work. It's that simple.

>>509789907
PS then how do you think convincing someone works?

>>509783306 (OP)
No data for israel

>>509789907
>You convince people by actually understand where they are coming from and lead them to your position. If you make a wrong assumption about the convincee, your attempt at persuasion will not work. It's that simple.
Oh I wasn't saying that it's what you do at all.
I meant to say that convincing people is done by actually understanding where they are coming from and leading them to your position.

>>509786729
So take the vaccines and don’t forget to max boost, retard incel.

>>509783306 (OP)
>t. Chinese faggot with a VPN
>your

>>509789907
No. Its not telling. Nope. No one needs to buy into your nazi bullshit or lend it any credence. Your rhetoric is fake pandering that exists only to protect billionaire capitalists from socialism via jewish scapegoats and identity politicking.

>>509783306 (OP)
and what about the working class already here that are disfranchised by the constant horde of cheaper competition being brought in by rich capitalists so they don't have to pay those workers a living wage?

Is that the commie way op?

>>509783306 (OP)
>It won't solve your immigration crisis. Your economy is still fundamentally dependent on immigration

I love how you keep pretending to be a leftist while everything you say is just a constant defense of capitalism

You NEED migration goyim, your society can't run without it!

No the wealthy capitalists need to maintain their power and money, I don't need shit other than to work the land God gave me.

Whose the real communist here? Cause it isn't you - you are the typical pampered capitalist child that builds a fantasy of leftism while ignoring the actual reality

You are literally capitalism made manifest
You are the bourgeoise

>>509789090
You have to do per 100,000, but don’t consider total homicides because whitey is a majority and aggregate commit the most homicides as well as most crimes. You also don’t consider mirder by police so you further lower homicide by whites. Nice try, retard faggot

>>509783306 (OP)
>anyone should be allowed to hop the fence and shit out a baby to be garunteed legal citizenship!
Fucking retard.

>>509783306 (OP)
You have no right to our home, the only economic sect of people who benefit from mass undocumented immigration are the ultra wealthy who can subvert any workers rights via a desperate subclass the left has created

>>509790260
Yes, very good, keep proving your idological purity, but that doesn't make you convincing.
We're talking about actually convincing people, and in that case it doesn't make a difference whether whatever that person belives warrants any credence at all.
If you want to convince anybody, you have to think with that person's head and from that POV present why they are incorrect. If you can't do that then your beliefs are simply too fragile to be presented convincingly.
You should ask one of your comrades to come and do a better job than you.

>>509790668
Actually, you're just rambling and whining and its the emptiest and most pointless nazi whining.

>>509790758
You are proving my point.

>>509790800
No

>>509790893
You failed to address anything I said by dismissing it as rambling.
If it was actually just rambling and you were actuallly someone who could understand all these societal issues you care about, at minimum you should be able to explain why my points were empty and rambling.
But you can't because you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand a presented argument, which in turn proves that your opinions about societal issues are also worthless.

You're not choosing not to be convincing, you're not convincing because you're incapable of being convincing.

>>509791190
No.

>>509791234
It must be so infuriating for you that logic and using one's brain has a fascist bias.
The best you can do when you're cornered logically is to act like a sulking child.

If you want to prove that you have any capacity whatsoever of being convincing, you could just address my points head-on, without deflection, without straw-mans.

But you won't because you can't.

>>509783306 (OP)
>writes out all this shit on a baseless assertion
fuck off wetback

>>509791517
Nope.

>>509791983
You don't have to agree to anything. You can keep denying it impotently, but it doesn't make a difference.
Let's say you really want to convince people here to become communists, doesn't it bother you that if you make a lousy case for it then you will only deepen the conviction of people in fascism?
It's called inoculation theory in psychology, look it up.

>>509792236
Wrong.

>>509783306 (OP)
I dont give a fuck. I want every one of you fucking gone.

>>509783306 (OP)
>russia
>by family line
>literally everyone is mongolian

kek

>>509792316
Instead of just saying "No" and "Wrong", wouldn't you like to get some help in improving your persuasion skills?

>>509792742
I'm very persuasive.

>>509793001
Who can you presuade besides yourself and what can you presuade them about?

>>509793280
Bob.

>>509783306 (OP)
>T-THIS WILL AFFECT WHITES

lol no

>>509793377
>BOB
Well I wouldn't rely on the what evil spriits tell me to guage how convincing and persuasive I am.

OP is a dumbfuck who doesn't know anything about this topic.

Birthright citizenship, as applied to immigrants, means people who are born in this country to NON-AMERICAN parents. If EITHER parent is an American citizen, or even simply a permanent resident, the child is an American citizen, instantly, by birthright.

Birthright citizenship only exists for the children of AMERICANS. Not foreigners who come here and shit out a baby.

>>509793682
Your response is a total non sequitur.

>>509783306 (OP)
I don't believe in rights any more
they're a tool of the enemy

>>509793747
We all know what birthright citizenship means but thanks for defining it here in this thread basically for no reason.

>>509793771
Just because you haven't seen Twin Peaks doesn't make it a non sequitur.

>>509793863
OP doesn't

>>509793918
It is non sequitur. Yeah.

>>509793931
I do yup. Yup

>>509794005
No you don't dumbfuck.

>What you're doing, instead, is just turning America into a place where people who are born here aren't granted any rights under the constitution.
Nothing about what Trump is doing implies this or does this. This is you pretending like kicking out foreigners in any way changes American birthright citizenship. Foreigners do not and should not be given citizenship because they happened to be born here. It was never the intent of our country's founders to roll out the red carpet for any disgusting brownskinned vermin who washed up on our shores.

>>509794153
No anon. With birthright citizenship you're talking about people being born here and not granted citizenship. Thats the whole point of the discussion. Obviously. Refrain from further posts. Please.

>>509794153
It was. Washington congratulated Jews for setting up shop. Wished them well.

On August 21, 1790, President George Washington composed a letter to the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, and to its leader, Moses Seixas. Seixas had written a letter to Washington four days earlier. In this letter, Seixas described the benefits that his community received under the new Constitution and expressed his “deep sense of gratitude to the Almighty” for “a Government . . . erected by the Majesty of the People,” committed to the “liberty of conscience,” and “deeming every one, of whatever Nation, tongue, or language equal parts of the great governmental Machine.” Washington responded with a brief but powerful letter, expressing America’s enduring commitment to the principle of tolerance and the freedom of conscience.

Gentlemen.

While I receive, with much satisfaction, your Address replete with expressions of affection and esteem; I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you, that I shall always retain a grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced in my visit to Newport, from all classes of Citizens.

The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet, from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security. If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good Government, to become a great and a happy people.

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my Administration, and fervent wishes for my felicity. May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.

Go: Washington

>>509783306 (OP)
Trump is not trying to end ALL birthright citizenship, just citizenship for illegals and birth tourists.
It's stupid that a foreign woman can take a 3-week vacation to the US, shit out a baby, and that baby is an automatic citizen.

>economy dependent on immigration
Yeah because the ruling trash literally won't fucking stop importing them to even see if any other alternatives might fucking work. This is a malicious meme spead by evil people who want to destroy the US

Muslims arrived in North America as early as the 17th century, eventually composing 15 to 30 percent of the enslaved West African population of British America. (Muslims from the Middle East did not begin to immigrate here as free citizens until the late 19th century.) Even key American Founding Fathers demonstrated a marked interest in the faith and its practitioners, most notably Thomas Jefferson.

As a 22-year-old law student in Williamsburg, Virginia, Jefferson bought a Qur’an – 11 years before drafting the Declaration of Independence.

The purchase is symbolic of a longer historical connection between American and Islamic worlds, and a more inclusive view of the nation’s early, robust view of religious pluralism.

Although Jefferson did not leave any notes on his immediate reaction to the Qur’an, he did criticize Islam as “stifling free enquiry” in his early political debates in Virginia, a charge he also leveled against Catholicism. He thought both religions fused religion and the state at a time he wished to separate them in his commonwealth.

Despite his criticism of Islam, Jefferson supported the rights of its adherents. Evidence exists that Jefferson had been thinking privately about Muslim inclusion in his new country since 1776. A few months after penning the Declaration of Independence, he returned to Virginia to draft legislation about religion for his native state, writing in his private notes a paraphrase of the English philosopher John Locke’s 1689 “Letter on Toleration”:

“[he] says neither Pagan nor Mahometan [Muslim] nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the commonwealth because of his religion.”

The precedents Jefferson copied from Locke echo strongly in his Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, which proclaims:

“(O)ur civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions.”

The statute, drafted in 1777, which became law in 1786, inspired the Constitution’s “no religious test” clause and the First Amendment.

Jefferson’s pluralistic vision
Was Jefferson thinking about Muslims when he drafted his famed Virginia legislation?

Indeed, we find evidence for this in the Founding Father’s 1821 autobiography, where he happily recorded that a final attempt to add the words “Jesus Christ” to the preamble of his legislation failed. And this failure led Jefferson to affirm that he had intended the application of the Statute to be “universal.”

By this he meant that religious liberty and political equality would not be exclusively Christian. For Jefferson asserted in his autobiography that his original legislative intent had been “to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan [Muslim], the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”

By defining Muslims as future citizens in the 18th century, in conjunction with a resident Jewish minority, Jefferson expanded his “universal” legislative scope to include every one of every faith.

Ideas about the nation’s religiously plural character were tested also in Jefferson’s presidential foreign policy with the Islamic powers of North Africa. President Jefferson welcomed the first Muslim ambassador, who hailed from Tunis, to the White House in 1805. Because it was Ramadan, the president moved the state dinner from 3:30 p.m. to be “precisely at sunset,” a recognition of the Tunisian ambassador’s religious beliefs, if not quite America’s first official celebration of Ramadan.

Muslims once again provide a litmus test for the civil rights of all U.S. believers. Today, Muslims are fellow citizens and members of Congress, and their legal rights represent an American founding ideal still besieged by fear mongering, precedents at odds with the best of our ideals of universal religious freedom.

>>509783306 (OP)
Fascism is the only political system geared towards real, material progress. Fuck off

>>509783306 (OP)
>working class
No such thing.
Class is a social construct, only race is real.

>>509783306 (OP)
Illegals are not working class and have no rights. They aren't people at all.