I've watched a bit of this show, not a lot though. It seems really blue pilled about human nature. Honestly I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7. And if something like a replicator existed to easily fulfil all material needs and desires, people would turn into even bigger lazy pussies than they are now. Unironically Wall-E was a more realistic portrayal of human nature. Is a post scarcity economy even hypothetically possible?

Also, how the fuck did Roddenberry get away with making the Ferengi (space jews)?

>>509796649 (OP)
>Honestly I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7.
nah once you overuse gaming ware to coom you realize even if you had full dive VR you still have sex then go on with your day, your spine still craves having children, living normally, novelty too and the real world is divine in causation whereas VR is still uncanny
you would get bored, just like ever VR kit sold on endless fun ends in the ewaste dumpster for burning your eyeballs out

>>509796649 (OP)
They didn’t call it Star Trek The Next Boypuss for nothing

>>509796859
VR kits are not the same, because they have more limitations than just using your mouse and keyboard.

>>509796649 (OP)
Bajorians are the space jews.


The Ferengi in *Star Trek* are often misinterpreted as a parody of Jewish people and culture, but in reality, they were conceived as a satirical take on the aggressive, profit-driven mindset of 1980s corporate America, particularly the rise of yuppie culture and the glorification of ruthless business practices. When the Ferengi were first introduced in *Star Trek: The Next Generation*, they were meant to be the new major antagonists, embodying an exaggerated form of hyper-capitalism with a set of rules that prioritized profit above all else. Their relentless pursuit of financial gain, their obsession with contracts, and their tendency to exploit loopholes were meant to reflect the Wall Street excesses of the era, not any particular real-world ethnic group.

>>509796649 (OP)
>Is this even a feasible future world?
No. ST assume humans have changed. It's a different kind of human. That's why it won't work in our world. Humans don't just change.

>>509796649 (OP)
yeah dude it’s a TV show
are you slow or something?

>>509796649 (OP)
NO, because a piece of ass as sweet as T'pol can't exist.

>>509796649 (OP)
It's bluepilled in general. Like even the original series it's based on was also incredibly bluepilled and actually helped dispense a lot of bluepills on race and so on to a young audience.

The main appeal of the show in my opinion is where they have people sit in a room together and make difficult decisions. Plenty of episodes have various dilemmas where you could easily see the other choice also had its merits. To me, that was what was most enjoyable about the show and made me watch it.

>I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7
Yes, but I think to be fair the kind of person who would waste a lot of time and retreat into fantasy isn't going to be reproducing. And such a problem might weed itself out in a few generations.

What I want to believe is that this nonsense about having competent black engineers like Geordi La Forge is because there was a period where genetic engineering was a thing, and so at least a generation or so would've gotten IQ improvements, and other of those white genes (like empathy) became more widespread. And those that didn't bother with this, that were retards that decided to get addicted to the holodeck just didn't spawn.

Maybe that is actually the solution to the African problem. Get the men all addicted to porn to lower the birthrates.

>how the fuck did Roddenberry get away with making the Ferengi (space jews)?
His idea for the other alien races was to take parts of different human groups and mix them together. Like the Klingons are a mix of Viking and Japanese culture. The Ferengi I assume are obviously a mix of the typical merchant Jew but really, the other alien races just treat them as annoying moreso than anything else. I think that in Deep Space 9, the changlings known as the Founders are closer to the kind of Jews we need to worry about, and because they protrayed them as these liquid aliens and didn't make it too obvious, they could get away with it. Plus they can say the Ferengi are the Jews.

>>509796649 (OP)
40k is the superior sci fi setting. no bowing down to filthy xenos like they do in star trek. they even made one their president. disgusting

>>509797182
I don't see how that description makes it any less likely a Jewish caricature even if it wasn't intentional.

>>509798369
It's a "why can't we all get along" dream. For some reason humans stopped being greedy, selfish and sex obsessed.
We have to take into account this all happened with the cold war in the background. He just dreamed of a better world.

Similarly nowadays, with no threat around, people turn to violent sexual television content. As if humans aren't made for not having problems.

>>509796649 (OP)
No. The society seen in the original series is maybe possible but TNG's is completely reliant on technology that might as well be sorcery and half the time the humans seem more alien than the actual aliens are.

It's possible if humans undergo a mass spiritual transformation in the future which is not as nonsensical as it sounds. We would of course need to then only associate with other races that have exceeded that spiritual milestone.

>>509798369
They also had World War 3 and the Eugenic Wars wipe out a lot of people. Also, no actual Jews in the show. The closest being Worf's Human Russian parents who were supposed to be Russian Jews.

So you need mass death, infinite energy, and no jews for the utopia to work.

>>509798671
>For some reason humans stopped being greedy, selfish and sex obsessed.
I can believe it if they actually genetically engineered these traits out of humans. Not for a malicious reason, but because of things like an exploding population in the billions and nuclear (or worse weapons), there would be a need to do that. But it seems that at some point they then made it illegal to do genetic engineering. Perhaps the human race was actually starting to lack genetic diversity (the kind that actually matters, and governs behaviour, not the external traits). A lot of things like this though they tend to just leave it open.

>We have to take into account this all happened with the cold war in the background
I'm well aware that of the context and what he was trying to do, I think his intentions were good and that he thought he was "whitepilling" people but it's not really a whitepill if it's a comforting lie.

>As if humans aren't made for not having problems.
Well this is the thing that adds a bit of depth and realism to the matrix films, when we learn the first version of it created by the machines was utopian and perfect and the humans rejected it en mass and it failed spectacularly. And it took them multiple versions, with a "lesser" and more "intuitive" machine mind that suggested changes that meant humans had lives and worries of the 20th century.

What make Star Trek a bit dull is how they just arrive at the utopia and not a lot is explained about it. That's why I'm speculating about genetic engineering, because they don't give an answer. I don't mind a positive message, it is actually refreshing from how tired a cliche the dystopian sci fi has become, but at least with the dysoptian ones, they make some effort to explain to you how we got to the distopia (AI run amok, alien invasion, nuclear war, etc).

>>509799475
See I remember passing mentions of those things (maybe it was in the original series) but did they dedicate an episode or two to it?

Roddenberry got away with the Ferengi because Star Trek is Jewish propaganda. They love to satirize themselves. They did an episode where the bad guys were comically evil space nazis

>>509798938
>TNG's is completely reliant on technology
It's more than that. ST humans do stuff like being the night shift on a freighter or colonizing some shitty planet just for the sake of it. Because humans in ST don't want to live a live in post scarcity, for some magical reason.

Also "post scarcity" earth was more about food and basic needs. They still have transporter credits and shit, so you can't have your own holosuite and live there 24/7 being a pervert (also in the ST universe such kind of people are seen as mentally ill).

>. It seems really blue pilled about human nature. Honestly I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7. An

LMAO, dude, before the utopian Federation humanity went through: a MASSIVE eugenics war that destroyed a big part of the world, a nuclear WW3 that killed 2/3rd of humanity and turned the world into a Fallout-esque landscape for decades, a dystopian as fuck global dictatorship that used drug fueled enforcers to keep the population at bay.

>>509796649 (OP)
>Is a post scarcity economy even hypothetically possible?
Yeah, but humanity as a whole would have to embrace collectivism on a global scale as they did in Star Trek.
>Is this even a feasible future world?
Of course it is. It's just very far away. I doubt we'll live to see it.

>>509799475
Worfs human brother was also a Jew

But did you know Deep Space Nine Ferengi actors were actually Jews?

>>509796649 (OP)
>Honestly I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7
You're in your 20s aren't you? Sex drive fades with age and emotional pain.
I fap once and I'm good until 24 hours later.
Besides that, anything loses its appeal. Eventually I imagine even holodeck stuff. Somewhere deep inside you know it's not real, no different than playing with dolls.

Star Trek lightly touched in genetic engineering with Khan and then DS9 with Dr. Bashir, whose parents committed the crime of genetically engineering him. They later go on to reveal usually genetic engineering results in schizotier homo superior who are kept in asylums.

>>509796649 (OP)
>Is a post scarcity economy even hypothetically possible?
It wouldn't be an economy anymore. You create robots who build and make everything for you, including themselves and power plants etc. Then you decide to share the products with everyone. Food, cloths, houses. All made by robots, or we could just say they magically appear.
We did experiments on rats who lived in such a society. It didn't end well.

>>509800106
>We did experiments on rats who lived in such a society. It didn't end well.
Right, because a bunch of rats are similar to humans using hyper advanced AIs and robotics.

>>509799584
The Eugenics Wars are directly talked about in Khan's TOS episode. I'm pretty sure World War 3 is only ever mentioned in passing and usually only in reference to the lead up to warp drive being invented by Zefram Cochrane.
Memory Alpha says 37 million dead in the Eugenic Wars and 30% of Earth's population die in WW3.

>>509799949
Yeah. Other than Jeffrey Combs as Brunt, the others were Jewish.

>>509796649 (OP)
>Honestly I think people would just use the holodeck to coom 24/7.
Holodecks in ST aren't available to everyone. They're power hungry (you basically need a warp core), maintenance intensive and somewhat rare. Earth has transporter credits, so we can assume they had holodeck credits too. Earth isn't post scarcity and in everything for everyone. You just don't have to care about food, housing, cloths.

>>509800106
Also, there is still an economy in the Star Trek universe, because replicated stuff is used to cover all the basics needs of people, but people still value "real stuff" and they trade for it. That's why Picard's family owns a vineyard and winery.

>>509796649 (OP)
In the Star Trek universe, 99% of humans live underground in massive holo-pod hives. They live perfect existences, experiencing whatever they want and kept in perfect health.

What we see on the shows are the 1% cosplay larping tryhards who want "do the real". The ships are actually controlled by AIs, but the AIs give the cosplayers just enough to do so that they feel like they're contributing. It also explains why the crew always seems to escape catastrophes at the last possible moment. This is the AI either waiting to bail them out or a planned crisis to keep them feeling like they're real adventurers.

Because all the larpers are choosing to do this, they play their roles without envy or resentment and enjoy the labor. If they really wanted status or compensation, they would have stayed in the holopods where they could have anything they wanted.

Also note that the most wise or powerful characters tended to have the servile jobs, e.g. gardener, bartender. This is ironically "high status" among the larpers because those people wanted an experience that was far away from the perfect holopod experience as possible.

>>509796649 (OP)
Nope. Because westoids decided perpetual internal conflict and management because of mass-immigration was so much cooler then deep-space exploration.

Oh well, it was a nice thing to consider in the 90's i guess.

>>509796649 (OP)
they touched on human nature with the fact earth was mostly destroyed in an atomic war that started in 2026.

>>509800298
>Jeffrey Combs as Brunt,
Which was ironically the least evil and scammy of the Ferengi LMAO

>>509800357
>That's why Picard's family owns a vineyard and winery.
It all falls apart a bit if you think about it too much. How do you have a wineyard if there's no money? Do you inherit it forever? What gives you the right to own it forever? Is it seen as just a hobby? If it's a hobby, why do you have employees? Why would they want that? They don't need to. Why don't they get their own wineyard? Or fuck off to some colony where there's room for their own wineyard?