Why does american corporatism/capitalism needs hands outs, subsides, money printed out of thin air in order to not totally collapse on itself? I thought the free market could survive and thrive on its own merit w/o any intervention by any external organism, such as the Federal Reserve or the state. Too big to fail or too big to let them fail? Are we hostages? Hhhmmmm

anarchobros? capibros?

>>509811649 (OP)
In a truly free market there are both businesses that succeed and those that fail and they're equally important because that's what actually actually defines a market.
No person who knew what he was talking about ever claimed that the failure of a business represented a flaw with the concept of a free market.

Who is feeding who here? the people to the corps? or the corps to the people? inquiring minds....

>>509812120
Tell that to the american gov bailing out the big dogs

>>509812185
People have been telling them that for many decades but they're bad at listening.

>>509812120
or to Jerome who will be forced to start printing again in other to create growth
I'm starting to think that the american capitalism is a giant farse that it's about to collapse in the next few years

>>509811649 (OP)
>>509811877
I think you should read before asking questions like these because it's obvious. Government bails out big corporations and banks instead of letting them fail, this means that they're cut off from market signals and the big corps keep doing retarded shit and getting bailed out, the economy is not good in real terms, the artificially propped up stock market looks like it's doing great because they're stealing everyone elses money through corporate welfare, in return for subsidies big corps lobby governments and politicians creating a revolving door of corporate socialism, there are books written on this.

In a free market you cut all subsidies and the crappy corps fail while non-retarded ones survive.

>>509812481
Obviously printing money doesn't create growth. Don't repeat these lies because I guarantee someone will believe them if you do, which is probably part of why politicians are either too stupid or corrupt to stop repeating their mistakes.

>>509812301

This american bubble of debt and emission is going to explode and expose how fake the american system is. They can't kick the can forever

>>509812481
Lenin (The founder of communism) had 10 planks of communism, 1 of the planks was central banking.

I think some experts are correct in giving america 10 years left max. The collapse will be glorious.

>>509812922
So?

>>509813210
So it doesn't make any sense to say America has a free market.

>>509811649 (OP)
this image is a little bit old. but nearly HALF of what it is now. amazin

>>509813386
lol
stop being a retard and accept that capitalism failed. how many more centuries of good ol capitalism do you need to get convinced? idiot

>>509813722
You yourself were talking about government intervention in markets, now you're going to deny that?

>>509813886
w/o intervention america would have collapsed and showed us all the farce that it is many years ago. say thanks that to the american gov for keeping the illusion alive. they gov didn't broke it, they gov gave it few more years of life

>>509811649 (OP)
>corporatism/capitalism

choose one

>>509814392
Regardless of that bullshit (and it is bullshit), this anon >>509813386 is right by your own admission.

>>509814437
free market leads to conglomerations/corps. america is the late stages. next question

>>509811649 (OP)

The government can't sell favors that they can't give.

Alas, libchuds keep voting more taxes, (aka more inflation) they believe in the trickle down theory, but for taxes... they think if government taxes more, some of those taxes will trickle down to them. Spoiler: it never does

>>509814538
central banking/free market

choose one

>>509814468
ok then, since we are living in socialism and capitalism was never tried before, i'll be all for it when the american farce ends absolutely collapsing in the next few years

>>509814618
matate pelotudazo

>>509813722
You didn't argue against anything i said, mindless.

>>509814589
tell that to the "financial institutions" practicing
>(((fractional reserve banking)))

>>509814957
i said you're right. you won the argument. America was always socialist and capitalism/true free market was never tried before.

>>509815125
I didn't say that you strawmanning mindless monkey.

America had a largely free market from 1776-1913, in 1913 the income tax was introduced and the federal reserve was established (not a coincidence that this is the same time that Europe and Russia became more socialist), since then the economy has been more and more socialist, corporatist power has increased more and more, two world wars and a perpetual war on terror later and here we are with megacorps getting bailed out by megagovs, unbelievable taxes and inflation.

>>509815268
>America had a largely free market from 1776-1913
why did it stop having a largely free market?

>>509811649 (OP)
>Why
because you don't understand what "capitalism" means, you don't understand what a "corporation" is, but at the same time you refuse to learn and admit your mistakes, so you are completely confused by the world around you and nothing, absolutely NOTHING makes sense to you whatsoever

Does that help?

>>509815742
i meant to say why did introduce income taxes and the federal reserve

>>509815383
Because socialism had just begun to gain influence as an ideology, 1917 was the communist revolution, the 20th century was an experiment in socialist ideas which caused mass atrocities never seen before. Read a history book i'm bored of explaining basic things to you.

>>509815907
My apologies i thought you said when.

>>509815909

why did they brake something that was working?
why did america went to war in order to stop communism and socialism? and why does it keep demonizing it? you aren't making sense

>>509815909
shit is not as simple as you think it is, pal

>>509812677
Checked. It actually can cause 'growth' but we're (you're) at about $1 of debt to create 25c growth, of which 24.99c will go directly to the 1% while continuing to inflate the fuck out of everything