Some people seem to think trump ran against Ukraine aid. He didn't.
When he ran he said he would end the Ukraine war.
His plan was this:
>Tell zelenskyy if he doesn't agree to peace he won't get weapons
>Tell Putin if he doesn't agree to peace Trump will send MORE weapons.
The issue is though that the terms put foward by america/trump are so far away from what the Russians want that Russia was always going to say no to Trump.
Only an uninformed migatard with no knowledge of the Ukraine war would think trump had a chance to make a deal.
Idk if Trump believed in this scheme himself or it was just a trick but either way miga fell for it

btw i pointed all this out in November and was called a democrat/ukrainian shill
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/489471684

>>509833452 (OP)
>Tell zelenskyy if he doesn't agree to peace he won't get weapons

Are you retarded? That’s like saying “I’ll stop hitting you if you stop fighting back”

It was never gonna work. Trump is just big mad that Putin has been exposing him as a push over. The 5D chess narrative has got to stop. This man is making it up as he goes

>>509833743
>Are you retarded?
It's trump's plan not mine

>>509833743
Whoa, an American with sense and political acuity ? You must be using a VPN.

>>509833452 (OP)
>>509833865
Insane cope

>>509833452 (OP)
You posted that garbage on Nov 24, which was weeks after Trump was elected.

Trump said he would end the Ukraine war 24 hours after he was elected.

>>509836099
>>509836185
i'm saying that this is what he campaigned on and miga voted for
are you saying now i'm a trump shill?
in november i was a democrat/ukraine shill for saying this same thing

>>509833743
It makes perfect sense if the point was to cut losses extricate the US from a war they're losing. Instead Ukraine is going to become Trump's Afghanistan.

>>509836518
Look at the timeline you retard.

Trump is elected Nov 8th. The "plan" you posted was on Nov 24th. Trump was supposed to have ended the Ukraine war on Nov 9th, far before this plan was ever made.

>>509833452 (OP)
it is july 2025 and you dumbasses still didn't realize he simply lied every time, in every matter.
stop overthinking it you're gonna hurt yourself.

>>509836655
Trump said he would end the war in 24hr of taking office you idiot, which was January 20, 2025

>>509836655
I was describing the plan he ran on
>Under the plan, the U.S. would cease military aid to Ukraine unless it agreed to hold peace negotiations with Russia. On the other hand, the U.S. would increase its military support for Ukraine if Russia refused to accept a peace deal.
https://kyivindependent.com/why-have-trumps-peace-efforts-in-ukraine-middle-east-failed/

>>509837200
NO LOOK AT WHAT HE SAID: https://x.com/angrifrog/status/1641116933931122700

HE SAID HE WOULD END THE WAR 24 HOURS AFTER ELECTED BEFORE HE WAS EVEN IN OFFICE

THAT'S NOVEMBER 9TH 2024

>>509837283
Why are you posting shit written in 2025?

Trump said he would end the Ukraine war by Nov. 9th 2024, far before any of that shit.

>>509837375
yes he was wrong about that. He's a moron
but the way he thought was gonna do that was with the plan i described which includes threatening putin with increasing aid for ukraine if putin doesn't agree to a deal
It's what he ran on

>>509837550
It's the Kellogg Fleitz plan which was put out in 2024
>Retired Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg and Frederick H. Fleitz, who both served in Trump's National Security Council staff, presented Trump with a detailed peace plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine. The plan aims to force the two sides into peace talks and a ceasefire based on the current frontlines. If Ukraine refused to enter peace talks, weapons supplies would be stopped; if Russia refused peace talks, weapons supplies to Ukraine would be increased
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

>>509833452 (OP)
It was always a thorny situation. Trump would have a full-scale revolt, if he admitted that Ukraine is not only a democratic money-laundering scheme, but a giant US bioweapons lab, so he has to dance around the issue and pretend that Putin is "the bad guy" or some bullshit that normies will believe.

>>509833452 (OP)
Sup Mike are you a pole smoking pedophile groomer like Glenn Groomwald?

....

>>509833743
You're a retard and if not for the traitorous EU nations going behind Trumps back to help zelensky escalate the war, it would have been over.

If you think Russia just woke up one day and went on a mad one, you're a retard. The US couped ukraine in 2014, and plotted to have a conflict w\ Russia. That's why they fabricated that impeachment against Trump w\ information they themselves leaked to the media.

In hindsight w\ the doge stuff, and just in general Trump cutting money... the pause in funding for Ukraine is by the book and had nothing to do w\ anything that rat traitor adam schiff or dan goldman claimed as they distracted people from the rollout of covid w\ their sham impeachment.

Ukraine is a joke of a country and exists at our leisure.

>>509837200

If not for outside forces rallying behind the 5'2 retard zelensky, it would have been over.

The war should have ended when zelensky was publicly humiliated at the white house. To have so called "allies" go behind his back and then have them launch attacks inside of Russia... sorry.. you can't blame that on Trump.

So nothing people like you say carries any weight because you are just lying and saying things in bad faith. Just like NATO getting ready for russia to invade them...

The only reason Russia would invade europe is as a result of the current agitation from Eu countries.

>>509839786
What being brown does to a motherfucker's IQ.

>>509840206
>you can't blame that on Trump.
we can blame him for sending aid right?

>>509833452 (OP)
https://www.rt.com/russia/621105-forget-nukes-russias-deterrence/
dizzy dumbass cunts

>>509839972
>The US couped ukraine in 2014
They did not
>and plotted to have a conflict w\ Russia
Can you explain why Russia manufactured a medal celebrating the future annexation three months before "muh coup"?
Can you explain why Russia annexed Crimea before "muh coup"?
Can you explain why Russian propagandists, most notably Solovyov, were talking about annexing Crimea for over a decade before 2014?
Can you explain why Russia was funding separatists in Ukraine, hundreds of millions of rubles, since 2005?
Can you explain why Russia was trying to take Ukrainian land in 2003?

>>509833452 (OP)
If we had no chance to make a deal then what's the point? We wash our hands clean of it and let stupid slav apes kill each other, not our problem.
Let the Euro fags deal with it.

>>509837200
Trump lied? Wow. Shocker.

He said he’d end the Ukraine war in 24 hours - he lied.

He said he’d release the Epstein files - he lied.

He said no more Middle Eastern wars - he lied.

Are you dumb Yanks getting it yet? It doesn’t matter who you vote for. The same people win. Every. Single. Time.

>>509833743
Are YOU fucking retarded? Actually don't answer that - everyone in the thread knows you are

>>509840854
OK keep seething then, maybe focus on your own shit Ahmed

>voting doesn't matter! just stop voting!

Yep that will certainly solve all our problems!
Dipshit

>>509833743
FPBP

>>509833452 (OP)
It tells you how dumb Trump is that it took him this long to come to the same conclusion everyone else did years ago.
That you can't negotiate with Russians. They view good faith talks and honesty as a sign of weakness to be exploited. They only understand violence.

>>509839972
>the traitorous EU nations going behind Trumps back to help zelensky
Trump just gave Ukraine a shit load if missiles what are you even on about lol

>>509840206
> sorry.. you can't blame that on Trump

Dumb Yank piggy. He’s your *Commander in Chief* ffs! If you can’t blame him, who *can* you blame? I mean it’s your proxy war, after all. Both of your ruling parties want this war to continue to the last Ukrainian. What does that tell you, piggy? The war’s not winnable, but the US still thinks there’s profit to be squeezed out of it, so they keep on feeding an entire generation of Ukrainians into the meat grinder. Your country is evil, and voting won’t save you.

See also: BCG’s plan for a ‘Trump Riviera’ and ‘Elon Musk Smart Manufacturing Zone’ on the graves of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza. That’s where your tax dollars are going.

>>509840710
>Can you explain why Russia manufactured a medal celebrating the future annexation three months before "muh coup"?
The coup started in Nov 2013. For anyone itk it's easy to anticipate the colapse of a government
>Can you explain why Russia annexed Crimea before "muh coup"?
The coup was in February 2014 and the anexation was in march 2014
>Can you explain why Russian propagandists, most notably Solovyov, were talking about annexing Crimea for over a decade before 2014?
The coup was planed way before. The first color revolution was in 2003-2004
>Can you explain why Russia was funding separatists in Ukraine, hundreds of millions of rubles, since 2005?
Amerimutts have been doing this since after WW2 all over the world. That's the game

>>509842336
>The coup started in Nov 2013
That's not how a coup works. The "coup" in this case would be Yanukovych being removed from power because he abandoned his office fleeing to Russia. He would not have had to flee to Russia had his snipers not shot civilians. And it wasn't the first time that berkut shot civilians, as it had happened a month before, so don't give me your mongoloid bullshit.
>The coup was in February 2014 and the anexation was in march 2014
Not according to the Crimean medal. It says the operation to annex Crimea started days before the coup, and the medal was manufactured months before that.
>The coup was planed way before.
lmao, yeah, the Yanukovych coup was planned over a decade before!
>Amerimutts have been doing this since after WW2 all over the world
Listen bud, you're just mentally ill. That's the reality here. Hundreds of thousands of protestors gathering because Russia wormed their way into EU ascension and the association agreement was torn up by Yanukovych because the retard with a solid gold toilet and a pirate ship just needed to have more.

>>509842840
Yanukovych fled because they tried to assassinate him
>his snipers shot civilians
The shots were not fired from goverment held positions
>lmao, yeah, the Yanukovych coup was planned over a decade before!
Not Yanukovych you retarded nigger. Any government that is not kosher.
>the association agreement was torn up by Yanukovych
Because the EU deal was shit.

>>509843978
>tried to assassinate him
Ukraine's state guard testified otherwise, there were only his claims, and there were none
And he was hanging out in Kharkiv for a week
What was reality was the shooting of civilians by his snipers
https://files.catbox.moe/mn5uwr.mp4
>Not Yanukovych you retarded nigger. Any government that is not kosher.
Elections were in less than four months, you retarded gypsy. You don't even know dates or timeslines. None of what you are saying makes any sense. You're mentally ill.
>Because the EU deal was shit.
Compared to the deal he was getting from Russia for himself, yeah. Hence the protests.

>>509844400
>Elections were in less than four months
Zog would have lost that election aswell, that's why they couped him, he was weak, it was the perfect opportunity
>None of what you are saying makes any sense
Because you're a retarded fox news, corn syrup consuming amerimutt cattle. KYS, you kike loving zog mutt
And yes the EU deal was shit, Every deal that the EU puts on the table is shit.

>>509845362
>>Zog would have lost that election aswell,
After EU association being ripped up? You're retarded
>Because you're a retarded fox news, corn syrup consuming amerimutt cattle. KYS, you kike loving zog mutt
No, you're just mentally ill. Sorry that you were born a retarded protojeet.

>>509845565
Go back to your kikes, mutt

>>509846213
Not a rebuttal
Keep repeating the same lies over and over again due to your mental illness tho, protojeet

>>509833452 (OP)
BASED!!!!! MIGA!!! I LOVE WAR, EPSTEIN WHO?

>>509840206
God damn take a look at this commie

>>509833452 (OP)
If this is true than the incompetent way he held his negotiations for the past few months was so damaging as to be indistinguishable from genuine malice.

>>509833452 (OP)
>I'M GIVING YOU AID
>I'm not giving you Aid
>I'M GIVE YOU AID
>I'm not giving you Aid

Schizo tier government

>>509836099
It's not Trump's fault that Zelensky's neo-nazi regime and the EUrangutangs don't want to sign that peace treaty that we've been offering them since 2022. Trump knows that President Putin desires a just, long-standing peace more than any other person in the world. It's NATO who doesn't want peace yet. Well, maybe they'll change their mind once they lose Krasnoarmeysk and Kupyansk, let's see.

>>509847847
The nazis were the good guys you communist dipshit.

>>509833452 (OP)
Kek

>>509847847
Copeyansk for the fourth year in a row, huh?

>>509847847
since 2022 Russia has annexed more territory which means the 2022 is not on the table

>>509836560
It's Russia's Afghanistan on steroids.

>>509841582
>The war’s not winnable
You mean like how the Vietnam war 'wasn't winnable' for the NVA or how Afghanistan 'wasn't winnable' for the Afghans? (who went against the Russians and Americans and won)

>>509847847
>sign that peace treaty
A burglar who has broken into your house has formed a peace treaty demanding that you stop resisting and give him all your stuff
>What? You won't sign it? You're a warmonger prolonging the violence! Russophobism is alive and well!

>>509833452 (OP)
Go buy his swag!

>>509850396
for you

Just bomb hohols , they are about to draft teenage hoholinas. You know which way the war is going .