Ok so marx's original plan was for a communist country to go first to socialism which is auth left. Then every country would eventually transition to it until all countries were auth left: big government, still using money, still have militaries. But once there are no more non-communist countries left, everyone would start dismantling the governments and stop using money and get rid of military and police. The idea was that everyone would just get along because everyone would have everything they needed. Whether you agree if this could work or not is completely irrelevant, because #1 there are aliens and this means the whole universe needs to adopt socialism first before the communism stage (libertarian left) can be transitioned to, and #2 the elite/illuminati don't want a world where they have no money. Why does it seem, then, that they are pushing for communism? Well they plan to get to the stage where all countries are socialist and the power is in the hands of governments and then once all countries, or perhaps just a power majority, are totalitarian left (no free speech, no rights, no privacy, no guns, CBDC, mandatory vaccines, exorbitant taxes) and the people of these countries can't realistically overthrow the governments, they're going to consolidate power even further and not become libertarian left where the state withers away, but become even more rich and powerful because no one will be able to stop them. So social marxism, economic marxism, political marxism, religious marxism, etc are all being pushed like crazy by the conspiring elite (maybe the illuminati is mostly jewish idk but they are still a much smaller group than the 15 million jews, and they'll sell out their own race. they're satanists anyway, not religiously jewish) not because they actually want communism (lib left), but because they want socialism (auth left).

Also this pic is from the movie Elysium. Elysium is the general idea of the future the illuminati wants: a sci-fi paradise for them and their bloodlines and a locked-down hive planet of slaves for everyone else. The two groups would genetically diverge and become their own species, and the illuminati species would place as much value on human life as they do on livestock. They might even eventually eat original humans eventually since they will be a different species and not feel any moral obligation to us, as they already don't. All in the name of number go up.

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>>509846368
Yeah that's basically the state of things, Marxism and Communism are the goal for the rich & people in power to create a prison planet. Basically there are people who think knowledge is an excuse and others who know the immutable right direction, and the one is fragile while the other is blind. Need both in harmony, otherwise it is as you say, or something way more primitive.
Mephistopheles does sociopathic things so you don't have to, don't drink from his cup

>>509846233 (OP)
Yea thats totally what would happen, they would install totalitarian states under dictators and then after communism finally happens for real then the government would just willingly relinquish its power. No, the bolshevik kikes wanted to use communism to create a global slave superstate that would cater to the zionist jew aristocracy. That was always the plan and that was always the intent. There was never any "next step" to communism, it was just one in a long line of kike plots to fulfill their talmudic prophecy of them ruling over the world.

>>509846981
you know marx's favorite quote was spoken by him? "everything that exists deserves to perish." for others in this thread, this is the devil character in Goethe's Faust.

I have to wonder if marx meant to scam the world into accepting tyranny or genuinely thought the state would wither away and there would be some sort of utopia (assuming it would be)

>>509846368
Elysium was actually a pretty good movie kek

>>509846233 (OP)
you don't know what you're talking about, historical materialism is dependent on the productive forces

>>509847894
elaborate, I don't know what the hell that means. Are you saying slaves aren't productive? Threat of suffering. Boom, productive.

>>509847598
Yeah, I think he was genuine and not trying to scam. Especially back then, you can read Branches of English Industry without legal limits to exploitation, not only that there was child labor but they were abusing and working those kids to death, the capitalist will do the same in the future ... if given the opportunity. Discounting people's lives forever into perpetuity does that, and once that ruinous leadership breaks, well hey we need population, we need immigration, don't let wagies who saved money buy any of our stuff, just debt max the tax payers, the capitalist will always do that no matter how much progress is made
>>509847511
Gotta keep in mind, orthodox Marxism, at least to me, is against Jewish reactionaries - specifically it is against utopia, which is an illusion, in this world at least, in favor of scientifically analyzing and improving the system, some think through reforms some think revolution required.
Think into the future, if science makes progress and we have practically unlimited energy, that will have implications and we will have to organize things better, otherwise we drown in the reservoir

>>509846233 (OP)
>The idea was that everyone would just get along because everyone would have everything they needed.
That is a junior take, friend. Marx wasn't stupid and naive about human nature. The goal of his work was to convince low IQ low morals to attack the foundations of the current landscape. Get mad, and then target what they wanted to target. You see the same play played out today, weaponized idiots working behalf of a master with no face but taking his handouts and destroying society on their behalf. The psychology of taking the weaker people of a population and convincing them that they are being mistreated or are better than those that oppress them. It is a method to assemble narcissists and murderers and anyone with beef against authority for whatever reason. It works. Sabotage works on all groups, big or small, holy or unholy. Did you think forcing ancient jews to eat and mingling with uncircumcised was good for them or exactly what Saul wanted to make Christianity terribly unappealing to them and cut the religion off before it reformed/destroyed/replaced judaism entirely? That worked too. The blood of royal children still stains that country and yet they can not humble themselves enough to admit the hell they unleashed on this earth.

>>509848993
That's absolutely how its been used and abused by tyrants, for the deaths of many millions of people around the world, however you can kind of see all the blood and say, even from the evil fruits, many of the improvements and reforms in labor and business, and much of the humanitarian good will from rich nations to poorer ones, have come about because of integration of Marxist ideas. If you stick entirely to Aristotelian and theological principles, you will find that you arrive to a condition where, you are trying to deduce increasingly obnoxious and obvious systemic problems entirely from those principles.
I will add, the United States became the most successful socialist reformed state in the world post ww2, and pagan ownership of wealthy has done a lot to destroy that; we have seen, socialism for the rich. It is not narcissistic or weak to directly observe that and stand against it.
I lived entirely by the conservacuck boomer principles and am better off for it, but I would give all of my life savings and all of my sanity to not have my frens and progeny be slaves to that mammon system like I was.
Knowledge is not an excuse, but it is also not a sin, in the context after the fall. Rationality is necessary for our ability to be fruitful, and Christianity in the US has been perverted to kill Christians mentally and spiritually speaking, just as high church killed their people or Muslims killed Christians,
except our bodies are preserved for labor, or their use value for sodomy

>>509846233 (OP)
You are stuck in the 1800's

>>509847511
I wish I could take a shit that big. Looks satisfiying.

>>509849977
There never was a time in history where smart and honest people worked together to provide for themselves, even during oppressive regimes. Leftism does not have smart nor honest members, that requirement is without question. Any smart or honest person is quickly ousted. The left path got its first viable political framework from Marx, and it draws all the demons to it like flies to shit. Smart and honest people need not apply.

>>509848174
>against utopia
>implying communism isn’t an inherently utopian ideological end goal
>muh progress
Whig historiography and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the human race.