Are native Americans a relic Neanderthal population or some other archaic hominid species?

Consider this photo of chief wolf robe. His face does not sit below the cranium. His face projects forward and ahead of the cranial vault, which is low and elongated to the back. His forehead slopes into a fairly prominent brow ridge, the nasal projection is high, and the jaw is fairly large and robust.

Here is a representation of a Neanderthal. Amud 1 is the specimen. As you can see, the face is forward in relation to the cranial fault, which is low and elongated. The forehead is sloping and low, and the nasal projection is high. It seems like these 2 would like remarkably similar, considering one is “homo sapiens” and the other is an archaic hominid species.

>>509872573
Amud 1

>>509872262 (OP)
>>509872573
>>509872614
Haplogroup Q of the native americans simply originates from central northern Eurasia about 15k years ago, which is in the middle between today and the estimated final absorption of all neanderthal populations. The native americans simply retain more of the hunter-gather phenotype of pre-agricultural Eurasians, which is less "african" than what modern bulbhead naziboos pride themselves with.
Yes, the Native americans are indeed more "white" than others. Q is the literal sibling haplogroup of R, which is the Euro-caucasian haplogroup of the Herder peoples that domesticated basically all livestock aside from the american ones.
tldr; Q & R are the haplogroups of "Noah" and "Enoch" aka objectively the pre-flood domesticators of pyramid-cultures.

>>509874064
Explain why jews are neanderthals and it doesn't get explained by modern dna analysis

Jews are an archaic hominin

>>509872262 (OP)
consider they don't all look the same

>>509874064
Why are natives so retarded then? At least the modern ones
>>509874342
We literally encountered Neanderthals first in the Middle East before anywhere else. Amud 1 (the example above) is from the Middle East.
>>509874494
These are the more asian looking ones. Different migration waves. Asian looking ones came first and live in South America, Neanderthal looking ones came shortly after. The Neanderthal looking conquered the Asian ones in Central America and Peru and built the civilizations there. The Asian ones got relocated to the Amazon jungle etc

>>509874406
There have been many theories than natives are a lost tribe of Israel so they may also be Jews and that explains the similar archaic Neanderthal skull

>>509874342
The "Habiru" descend from the people that migrated together with "Osiris" from the Ibero-Maurusian culture into Egypt and the middle-east. Jews have the phenotype similar to native americans because [Iber]ia was the last place in Europe to integrate its neanderthal population - probably parallelling how isolated pockets of high-percentage neanderthal sapiens also maintained the phenotype among the Q haplogroup. Jacob didn't get renamed after "GOD" (GAIA), but after OSIRIS aka "ISR". The rootword "ISR" is often conflated as meaning "Battle" or "Toiling" because Osiris himself battled death/God. "GODAN" which the english word is derived from roots back to the gothic/PIE word for "pouring earth",- which is the same exact meaning behind the word "GAIA". aka, GAIA and GOD both refer to the construction of a MOUNDGRAVE or the symbolic MOTHER EARTH which was the gravesite of Osiris. The moundgrave of course rooting back to ice age megalithic europe among the Magdalenians and Ibero-Maurusians. Made possible by glacier-boulders being scattered everywhere, and thus the arrival of the first cattle-herders from Anatolia cleared these stones from the fields by not putting them to waste in a ditch,- but creating familial moundgraves ranging in size based on how big their herds were and thus their "man"power.

>>509875023
>Why are natives so retarded then? At least the modern ones
Small founding population plus bottlenecks. Same reason the Aboriginals are more retarded than for example New Guineans.

>>509875023
They were one of the first cultures dominated by globohomo. Literally before great grandpa knew to name the jew they were being systematically attacked and tricked
>residential schools didnt kill any kids thats just a cover for child trafficking projected by the british royal family and judeo-Christians
>thats why youll never find bodies on residential schools grounds
>the good ones were also too naive and trusting while the subhuman tribes were basically used as pawns to weaken both ends
>the weapons they use against white culture today were pioneered long ago
>swap community tribalism with reservations they shove warring tribes on
>instead of psychedelics they would use for fun and spirituality swap with booze
>kill and imprison anyone not docile enough to accept becoming cattle on government land dependant on the very boot that fucked them

>>509875921
Perpetuate this over the course of several generations while shunning and attacking any whites who tried to assimilate with the chill ones, while pushing women to be whores and the men to be nigs. It was all a very specific plan.
>most of the native mercenaries who fought alongside the good whites were persecuted all the same
>the only good reservations now are the ones with casino’s because the jew likes hurting the whites more than needing to beat a dead dog

>>509875921
>>509876133
Tragic story. I’ve actually met some very smart and chill natives who were my friends, unfortunately most of them are drunk, useless retards.

Neanderthals migrated across the mid Atlantic ridge and lived in america and then mated with asians that traveled across the sunken Pacific ridge that passed near Easter island, and these things are their offspring.

neither, there was a recent case as well with the Salkhit remains from pre-ice age Mongolia, an archaic looking piece of skull that some had even thought could be homo Erectus, but eventually nuclear DNA analysis came through and they determined it was a modern human
it's just that before neotenization our pre ice age ancestors could be very archaic looking, and northern native americans have undergone little of it

>>509872262 (OP)
Aren’t they asians from Siberia
(Like almost all asians, who arent in india)

>>509872262 (OP)
They are called prarieniggers for a reason. They are drunk, useless mouth breathers who are somehow worse than niggers. Kill yourself faggot.

>>509877084
Are you talking about the red deer cave people? Funnily enough they have also been genetically linked to native americans

>>509877553
Compare that skull to this Indian. Narrow, small cranium relative to the wide, flat cheekbones. It’s like archaic phenotypes persisted in the americas longer than anywhere else, although you can still find asians with this weird skull shape.

>>509877553
no, https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abc1166 , it's from mongolia
point being, modern homo sapiens can show quite archaic features even without having any more special relationship with archaic hominids, especially in groups that have not undergone recent neotenization due to agriculture/sedentarism and self-domestication
one small exception could be australian aboriginals who genuinely do seem to have more archaic ancestry

>>509877857
Ah, yes, the red deer cave people are a perfect example of that. Look them up if you haven’t read about them. They existed less than 15000 years ago, and when first discovered, scientists initially thought they were a remnant archaic hominid species that lived up to very modern times. Genetic tested showed they were just a population of Homo sapiens.

Another interesting scenario is the elo eleru skull from Nigeria. Also less than 15000 years old, but has very archaic features. The eleru individual is an ancestor and related to modern pygmies.

>>509878164
Correction - Iho Eleru

>>509878164
the red deer DNA results to be fair were recently reconsidered, maybe they were contaminated by modern human DNA after all

>>509878299
Reconsidered how? The sequencing showed a genotype very similar to the ancestors of East Asians and native Americans prior to their split. If it was human contamination, it wouldn’t really make sense, because no one today has a high percentage of that ancient bloodline.

>>509878615
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12037273/

>>509875921
What kind of sex pervert would want to fuck chugs? Seriously I've experimented several times with chug women, not to fuck them but just engage with them. It's like going to visit some bitch that's got two pet wolves. It's not at all pleasant you know. The last time I did that my buddy who brought me there had his 3 year old son with them. As we were being escorted around this house by the bitch with the two pet wolves I fell behind and just watched them all walking around. The toddler was tagging behind them and got assaulted by the cunning opportune wolves much to everyone's alarm.

Same shit with chugs. Avoid. There are no chill ones. There are ones that were marinated in alcohol and solvents in their mother's wombs and they may seem tranquil but that's just them waiting for you to turn your back on them so they can harm you greivously.

>>509878703
Interesting, thanks. Leave to chinks to produce shit work like this.

>>509872262 (OP)
Looks normal to me, a lot of Europeans have faces like that like Tyson Ballou in picrel
>>509877655
That picture can’t be real. Looks so badass and masculine, like a 40k ork, aesthetic.

>>509878615
shalom rabbi

>>509872262 (OP)
What fuck you talking fairly large and robust? The first human was a neanderthal. God spoke to a neanderthal. a neanderthal spoke with god. God spoke through a neanderthal.

>>509879071
That guys face is nowhere near the same. His is more like a cro-magnon skull which is typical in lots of Europeans who have more whg and ane ancestry than Anatolian/yamnaya. His face is below the cranial vault which is rounded and globular. The profile is straight and his face does not project in front of the cranium.

>>509874406
Before Flood, everybody was fighting for the body of Moses. Moses is the resemblance of god. God lived within moses. The modern neanderthal-arabs are always fighting and raeping ;) eachother.

>>509879671
>Engels
God created humans, as angels were claiming to be like god-moses. So humans are mediators because god doesn't like competition, certainly not from the angels God created. BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEEET!

>>509879071
>BRAMMEEEEEEHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

>>509874342
They want to bury the truth that native Europeans have the highest admixture of neanderthal DNA.
Thus we are the strongest and smartest race on earth.
The jews are envious and it goes against their religious claims that they are chosen by god.

>>509880744
Wrong. We have the lowest Neanderthal DNA and are the most pure humans.

>East Asians have more Neanderthal dna and denisovan admixture
>australasians have a large percentage of denisovan dna
>jews and other middle easterns have more Neanderthal dna
>south Asians have denisovan + Neanderthal
>sub Saharan niggers have up to 20% of their dna coming from an archaic branch like eho eleru man

Whites unironically are the most human race on earth and have the least archaic nigger admixture. We are the descendants of cro magnon who managed to defeat and genocide Neanderthals whereas Asians and other races were raped by these giants at higher rates

>>509872262 (OP)
>Are native Americans a relic Neanderthal population
no, neanderthals were autistic high-IQ spergs with "genes linked to advanced mathematics skills, information processing, logic, analytical intelligence, concentration skills, obsession–compulsion and Asperger's syndrome"

https://web.archive.org/web/20160310171330/http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7194/full/453562a.html

>>509881004
Fun fact, Jews are the ones always pushing science articles and are always the “scientists” claiming Neanderthals were highly intelligent with implications of their superiority of sapiens.

Jews have a very high Neanderthal admixture and this gets masked because they lump Jews into the greater Caucasian race when calculating averages. Jews probably have up to 20% Neanderthal just like niggers are 20% “ghost species”.

Neanderthals were savage rapists and were retarded inbred schizophrenics. Their tools stagnated and never developed for tens of thousands of years, their “cave art” is laughably simple compared to cro magnon and they had little evidence of being creative, innovative or artistic. Cro magnon invented the bow to murder these giants. This is why Jews are schizophrenic rapist pedophiles and why royal jewish families love fucking their own siblings and cousins, and why they are anti-social psychopaths. It’s in their DNA.

>>509881422
Kek, what’s up schlomo. Baseless Jewish lies, see >>509881458

>>509872262 (OP)
>>509877655
High T robust hunter gatherer skull

>>509881576
nothing you said contradicted what i said idiot. humans got their advanced mathematical skills from neanderthals, but they were social retards who couldn't live in groups of more than a handful of autistic spergs

>>509879071
Tyson Ballou is a Chad. Most people don't have his robustness or forward growth.

>>509881458
I think the Norse might have called the large ones frost giants up north, I've met a few freakishly large ones innarez.

I'm too tired to talk about ethnology, but where I am is remote and towns typically have a few main phenotypes, and then the Inuit birth rate and housing situation and the ticking time bong that is is going to be unreal. Already common to see 3 families of 10+ people in a house.
Alot of places have a +10-18% yoy birth rate.

They also once sent a single Inuit to ootawah and within a week the Inuit owned 1/3rd of Canada, unreal, considering they don't believe in laws because their written on paper.

>>509872262 (OP)
This is Nikolai Valuev. He is Russian. That is all.

>>509878721
chugs are retards whose whole world view consists of white firewater and brown firewater and gooks being selfish for not spoiling their dad's dick with more since the hapa they're always harassing about being a nazi or antichrist used to live in germany where in k-town which has to mean koreatown like in los angeles or kaiserslautern was the only place where you could source everclear firewater in all of germany

>>509881727
Zero evidence Neanderthals had le high iq super math skills, you lying kike. All your peoples “inventions” and “scientific discoveries” were stolen from the white man.

Brain scans show Neanderthals had greater development in the in the occipital lobe but had lower development in the prefrontal cortex - their brains were designed for processing sensory information but their logic, higher order thinking, problem solving and creativity were retarded compared to ours (which is why we committed genocide them)

They were savage rapists.

>>509881995
If you would like to know more about the Inuit, who killed all the Eskimos and then forced Edmonton to change its hockey team name because it was offensive, they actually produced a documentary on white people, and how they view and precieve them, while you might think it's a comedy, it's not.
Overpaid government workers and their expensive winter clothing are a serious hazard, and sometimes it's best to just stare in bewilderment and keep your distance.

https://youtu.be/lazUV7PEw7w?si=PoKkW8j3JtG9Vrxz


It's actually pretty funny.

>>509872262 (OP)
They came from Asia and probably didn’t have time for Neanderthal to mix back in.

>>509882127
so the nature.com story is a jewish fabrication? what's your evidence of that. obviously if what they said was true then they couldn't publish it because that would explain why black africans can't do math

>>509872262 (OP)
East Asians have the highest percentage of Neanderthal DNA.

>>509882382
Where’s the data that proves it? I’m supposed to believe a lying kikes word? Niggers can’t do math because they have 20% archaic human which is more than anyone else, and that particular species was more primitive than the rest

>>509881422
Even as cave people autist have to show people how to make fire with dark stone and sparky stone and explain how rock with many holes sharpen bone to make tools.

>>509882588
Go on ancestry.com and check remote northern communities

>>509882659
So you’re implying these retarded natives up north are some high iq math geniuses? Fuck outta here, they can’t even stay sober for more than 12 hours.

>>509882588
the claim is that the gene clusters for "advanced mathematics skills, information processing, logic, analytical intelligence, concentration skills, obsession–compulsion and Asperger's syndrome" came from neanderthals. this implies that they were incapable of competing with cro-magnons because of their social management and organization skills. i don't know why this makes you so angry, it's a very logical and simple explanation that points to why asians are so good at math and blacks aren't. feel free to provide data at any time, i'm not jewish and aren't threatened by knowing that asians and jews have more neanderthal DNA than whites

>>509882846
the only information processing they mean is fire water

>>509876837
It’s not so bad. I got some injun in me. Can’t grow a beard but I tan after one sunburn a year. I don’t get any reaction to mosquito bites. I am not affected by poison ivy or oak.
>family history of alcoholism
I’m mostly Irish though so that’s a factor. Also, no one talks about the Irish being mostly caveman.

>>509882846
Yeah you’re a kike. Show me the actual data that proves your claim, showing this “genetic cluster” and its link to these traits.

>>509882949
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-024-02593-7
why are you so angry about this

>>509882536
yet they're honorary aryan because they can make their own fire water, something native americans cannot because they're not even aryan or "chosen"

>>509872262 (OP)

Neanderthals were literally 5 feet

>>509883139
5 feet wide yes

>>509883045
>retard kike doesn’t even read his own source

Yeah, this links Neanderthal dna with intellectual disability, not math skills. It never even mentions math skills in this study. Autism =/= genius or math ability. Most of the time it means borderline retard.

>>509883045
I'm sorry to tell you this, but "autism" is just brain damage. We can't call people "mentally retarded" anymore, because it's politically incorrect, so the phrasing has been changed. Now we say they're "on the autism spectrum", but the spectrum is just the degree of damage to the brain. Severely autistic (brain damaged) people are the kind the scream and drool on themselves and can't even speak real words. Mild autism (brain damage) just makes a person socially awkward and anxious.

But it's all brain damage, at the end of the day.

>>509883256
true, but it's the only study that's been published that correlates with the original nature article that was been scrubbed from the internet to protect non-white sensibilities. we have the original nature article that does not claim to be fiction, and we have your argument that it's jewish lies because you're emotionally unstable. the problem with your take is that gene clusters for advanced math and logic do not exist before neanderthal admixtures with cro-magnon. they were not in the modern human genome until neanderthals interbred with cro-magnons between 25,000 and 30,000 years ago

>>509883510
>Mild autism (brain damage) just makes a person socially awkward and anxious.
yes these traits are what have been linked to neanderthal dna

>>509883510
He’s taking long to reply cause he’s actually reading through the article he got chatGPT to find him.

It links Neanderthal genes with autism and then implies a connection between autism and high iq and math ability. It doesn’t ever state that Neanderthal genes have been linked to math skills directly as he stated above. Even then, the studies showing a link between autism and math ability are spurious and there’s no indication that these conditions were a result of the Neanderthal admixture (as it’s not always the case).

>>509883728
You’re literally a kike and it’s obvious. You want so badly to claim superiority because your people and Neanderthal rape golems.
>HURR THERES NO EVIDENCE BUT ITS TRUE CAUSE I SAID OKAY?

yeah kill yourself, retard. Cro magnon invented the bow and arrow, had a way wider array of tool specialization, more rapid innovation and development but yeah no they only learned math after fucking Neanderthals. Some masterful logic you’re displaying there. Neanderthals couldn’t even figure out how to create an effective throwing weapon and that’s why they kept always going extinct whenever the climate changed. They had zero adaptability skills.

>>509883838
from the linked article:

>Autistic people also often have cognitive strengths in areas such as mathematics.
>In addition, families of students studying disciplines like math, physics, and engineering are more likely to have autistic family members than students studying the humanities, suggesting an extended cognitive phenotype exists

>>509884080
>muh suggestive language which isn’t backed by solid evidence because I’m a kike and want to push a narrative

The only thing you apes are good at is lying

>>509884080
>hey ChatGPT scan the article and find a quote I can use for my shit argument that I’m too retarded to understand is shit

>>509884072
>they only learned math after fucking Neanderthals
is this why you're mad? you think genes linked to "advanced mathematical skills" means white people can't learn math without jews or something? what is actually wrong with you

>>509884072
>Neanderthals couldn’t even figure out how to create an effective throwing weapon and that’s why they kept always going extinct whenever the climate changed. They had zero adaptability skills.
uh yeah, that was my entire fucking point. did you miss that?

>>509884239
just CTRL-F for math moron

>>509884292
Are you a retard? I said that as a direct response to your assertion. Now you’re trying to misquote me and change the direction of this “argument”.

You’re a literal snakey kike and everyone can see it.

>>509884397
Oh so you just did that because you’re too retarded to even use AI in the first place. Congrats I guess?

>>509884425
i'm not misquoting you, it is a direct quote from you. i never said cro-magnons couldn't learn math, but apparently you think my argument was that cro-magnons couldn't learn math without "advanced mathematical" genes from neanderthals, which it wasn't. i still don't understand why you're so mad, is it because you think it allows jews to feel superior to you? also you can calm down because i'm not jewish

>>509877655
>It’s like archaic phenotypes persisted in the americas longer than anywhere else
Close ... but these "archaic phenotypes" still persist.
Read their "myths" about where they (all) come from ... compare to all the other "myths"
They re-emerged after the last deluge ... they still have civilizations (uninterrupted) ... under.

>>509884682
Ok dumb fuck, I guess I’ll also explain what “misquoting” means in this context - yes you copy and pasted a direct line of text, but you’re misconstruing the meaning of its message.

Also yes, you’re a kike.

>>509884854
where else is this neanderthal genetic link to advanced mathematics and logic discussed? i've only seen it in the two nature articles i've linked, but you appear to believe it's some pervasive theory that's pushed all over the place by jews

>>509875921
I think there were problems before the jews. Uncle Ted used the Indian longhouse in comparison to the problems of modernity for a reason. Communal living softened them. The Iroquois were such snowflakes the parents were scared to discipline their children because they were so fragile they'd kill themselves.*

* From this book in 1908 - https://archive.org/details/iroquoissuicides0000fent

Of course there were other tribes that were renegades. There wasn't a cohesive social structure to present a united front. If some whites were good to a tribe, that tribe would fight for the whites against another tribe. The British, French and Americans all used them in what ended up being temporary alliances even if some started out based on mutual benefit.

>>509875023
I think you're right about the Asian migration. You can see it in some phenotypes. There's a book called 1492 that describes the migration via Chinese junks, importation of domesticated chickens etc.

There's also blacks and continental Indians mixed in from escaped slaves like with the Seminole and Creole. Probably a bit of poor white Appalachian and a drop of aristocratic blood mixed in from slave owners and patrons of prostitution. That's why American blacks are fundamentally a different subrace from Africans and are in fact the most modern racial manifestation in the world. kek

>>509884854
>Fun fact, Jews are the ones always pushing science articles and are always the “scientists” claiming Neanderthals were highly intelligent with implications of their superiority of sapiens.
where else have you encountered these jewish scientists