>>509907290 (OP)
>nothing personal kid

Who cares? None of that shit is real

>>509907290 (OP)
America first!

>>509907290 (OP)
as long as the US has the top military and influence (via the dollar and military base deployment) all debt it has is meaningless because who the fuck will do anything about it? Japan can't do shit because if they did so america would abandon them to china (which would either mean subjugate to them or build nukes)

>>509907290 (OP)
The jagged graph fags have been telling me the world's over since I was born.

>>509907443
Most of that debt is owed to Americans you dumb fuck

>>509907290 (OP)
I guess China are going to start sending them the good shit now.

>>509907290 (OP)
I wouldn't call it debt it's more like a gift to Israel

>>509907443
>as long as rome has her legions all the debt it has is meaningless because who the fuck will do anything about it?
What happens when empires can't pay for soldiers because it has no money?

LMM says their national debt is was 300 billion and that was only 20% of their GDP. So if it jumped another 300 billion they are still only at 40% of GDP.

Making them the envy of the western world in this on regard.

Money isn't real

>>509907290 (OP)
russia is a poor shithole

also
>muh debt in FIAT money
owed to whom?

New Twitter screencap thread just dropped!

>>509907602
Its just a means of exchange. Not a store of wealth. Dumb people think its wealth.

>>509907362
Debt only matters if you have to pay it back. Why does the US have to pay anything back? What does "have to pay" even mean? They can literally drone strike anyone they don't like.

>>509907290 (OP)
Capitalism is a jewish scam which runs on perpetual geometric expansion of the fiat currency supply and inevitably periodically fails through either hyperinflation or massive depression and cancellation of large swaths of the fiat currency supply, where the working class have their fiat savings cancelled in bank "failures" or "bail-ins", like in the Cyprus banking crisis.
Capitalism cannot afford to purchase its own aggregate internal production at a price which it is profitable to produce that output at, unless the money needed to constitute the profits is continually added to the system, such as by creating fiat currency (or more of it than is already in existence) or allowing counterfeiting or debasing of sound money such as silver coins, such as by reducing the purity or the weight of the coins.
However, the fiat creation needs to be continuous to enable continued capitalist production and the rate at which new fiat is created needs to accelerate (the growth needs to be geometric) or the rate of expansion of the fiat currency supply gradually approaches 0% of the already existing amount over time, as the supply grows, and so does the average possible rate of profit. Expanding the fiat supply from $10 trillion to $11 trillion within a year is a yearly growth of 10% but expanding it further, from $11 trillion to $12 trillion in the subsequent year is only a growth of 9.(09)%. For the fiat supply to grow another 10% in the second year, it needs to grow from $11 trillion to $12.1 trillion instead of just $12 trillion.
GDP is not economic activity but the estimated and inferred rate of spending of fiat per year.
Inflation, including due to scarcity - which forces people to spend their fiat savings into circulation, inflates the GDP. Deflation, including due to abundance, contracts the GDP.
Fiat currency is not wealth but merely claims on wealth.
Wealth is what you spend fiat currency on, not fiat currency itself.
Capitalism is not a closed loop or system.

>>509907290 (OP)
Debt = money, retard. That means russia is fucking poor.

>>509907571
US already spends more on interest payments than on defense, and soon it will be over 20% of governmen budget, that's where this train crashes

>>509907443
Further increasing the pressure to print more and ever faster is the propensity of a large part of the population and also some corporations and businesses to NOT spend all the fiat currency they receive as wages, dividends, rents, royalties or payments for goods sold or services rendered as soon as they receive said fiat currency. And instead electing to sit on part of their income as fiat currency savings in a bank. Which parks that fiat currency out of circulation, at least for a while, and thus contracts the circulating supply of fiat currency by expanding the parked supply of fiat currency. Which, in turn, makes it necessary for new fiat currency to be created and injected into circulation (by giving it to people and businesses who don't have fiat currency they would nevertheless like to spend and are willing to borrow it from a bank in order to spend it) to replace, in circulation, the fiat currency which has been parked, out of circulation, by people and business who keep at least part of their savings as fiat currency in a bank.
Yet another intrinsic, fundamental, systemic problem of the capitalist model is that fiat currency flows within it are uneven and asymmetric. For example, people pay more to businesses as payment for their goods or services than people receive back from businesses as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. This is because ALL businesses have at least expenses towards other businesses, such as suppliers and subcontractors, utilities companies. This means that people, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, pay more, on average, to businesses, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, than businesses pay back to people as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. The difference has to be perpetually made up from and through consumer credit. Which is people constantly borrowing money to make up the shortfall/discrepancy between what they need to pay for goods and services they need or want and what they themselves are paid.

>>509907602
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.

>>509907626
When you go to the bank or the ATM to withdraw cash, you're actually asking to have your fictional cash and coins, which only exist as digits on the digital ledger of your bank, exchanged for physical cash and coins.
Regardless of your opinion on central banks, all non-central banking is legalised fraud because non-central banks issue (create and introduce into circulation) fictional cash and coins by pretending to "lend" it to willing borrowers, who then spend it into the economy, and lying to everyone in society that that fictional cash and coins actually physically exists or is backed by existing physical cash and coins in the same actual amount. Not the case. And this is all somehow ((("legal"))) because jews lying to non-jews and deceiving them and robbing them is perfectly fine as far as jews are concerned.
However, although most banks, in most places, will allow you to exchange your fictional fiat currency notes and coins for physical fiat currency notes and coins, they will put a daily limit on how much of the first type of fiat currency you can exchange for the latter. Or, if you want to exchange large amounts, they'll make you schedule the withdrawal days to weeks in advance. And in some of the most pozzed and jewed jew world order shitholes, which are the 5 eyes countries, banks are starting to outright refuse to allow you to withdraw your cash (actually exchange your fictional cash and coins for physical ones) as steps are being taken to get rid of cash altogether there.
Without cash, bank runs aren't possible because there is no physical cash and coins you can request to have your fictional cash and coins exchanged for when you try and "withdraw" some of your cash you think exists in the bank vault. With bank runs being impossible, every non-central bank becomes its own central bank, with no limit on digital fiat currency creation. Especially combined with de facto or (in the case of the US, de jure since 2020) zero reserve requirements.

>>509907652
Yeah I'm sure they'll drone strike American pension funds and financial institutions to get out of interest payments holy kek where do you nigger retards even come from?

>>509907602
Gold is. And they have 8,000 tonnes above ground. 10x that below.
Western politicians have gutted us.

>>509907679
>Debt = money, retard. That means russia is fucking poor.
This fucking retard over here (flag checks out) thinks (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth. No, it's just claims on wealth, you dumb shit.

>>509907774
>Yeah I'm sure they'll drone strike American pension funds and financial institutions to get out of interest payments holy kek where do you nigger retards even come from?
The anuses of jews.

>>509907521
It's owed to jews which means it will all be cleared after the second (first real) Holocaust

>>509907521
and who the fuck cares about that? Do americans individually have a tax because of their debt? americans make on average 70k a year after taxes which enough to support themselves (granted if they have a house they don't rent) and get a lot of disposable income they can save/invest.
US can also get away with the debt and crisis via money printing because their currency is the world reserve currency and have full control over it. We got massively fucked by the 2008 crisis because we couldn't prin euros since we have no control over the printers. Before the euro we could mitigate a lot of the disasters beforehand by printing more of our local currency.
America's military can also prevent others losing value from the dollar by imposing massive control over their defense, why do you think the EU and NATO all suck trumps orange cock all the time and don't bark much over his tarriffs? because he can use defense and russia's boogieman as a bargaining tool.

So as long america has the strongest airforcee they can handle their debt and money printing just fine.

>>509907571
Rome fucked up because it was overextended and their military couldn't handle it. The US has all the means to do exactly that.

Let's not forget Britain's £8trillion debt.
Gordon brown sold all our gold at £200 an ounce. Fucking genius move for a scotsman.

>>509907772
Yeah exactly, I know MMT

>>509907668
>Capitalism is a jewish scam
You'll always run into a problem of limited resources and having to redistribute them somehow and people wanting to just get something for nothing

Until we get infinite resources, infinite energy and infinite zero cost labor this will always be a problem

>>509907290 (OP)
Thank you Trump for your Big Beautiful Debt!

>>509907873
The only way Americans might be fucked is that they print like crazy yet the dollar doesn't decline massively in value as it should've by now

American spending trillions on for example military and AI bubble and getting very little in return means their economy isn't as productive as they pretend it is

Dollar "collapsing" (aka becoming Argentinian peso at worst) would mean quite substantial standard of living decline and they would have to start working real jobs again

>>509907538
and you'd be wrong

>>509907668
incredible, you start with a false premise and proceed to write a wall of text that is irrelevant due to it.

>Russian shills working overtime now that their last hope for western surrender blew up.

>>509907896
>You'll always run into a problem of limited resources and having to redistribute them somehow and people wanting to just get something for nothing
Capitalism does not solve the problem of finite resources or the problem of allocation of resources.
In fact, capitalism (especially laisez faire capitalism) is the enemy of the real economy. Which is to say, the economy of making real things and doing real things.
This is plainly observable if you look at the deindustrialising and depopulation trajectories of all developed capitalist countries.
I know, I know. You think this is bollocks because imports exist and because you think goods appear out of nothing on store shelves.
>Until we get infinite resources,
Retarded take the likes of which I expect from a brainwashed eastern jew-roped-peon.
If capitalism was an efficient way of allocating resources or directing economic activity, capitalist countries would only produce more and better real things over time, instead of fewer, shittier and less. As things actually stand, capitalist countries can't even keep their native populations from going extinct and instead elect to replace them with imported niggers and shitskins. Just like they import everything they used to be able to make domestically and did make domestically.
>infinite energy and infinite zero cost labor this will always be a problem
You don't understand anything. Pure retardation. As expected from eastern jew-roped-peon flags such as yours.

>>509907772
Why do you think they all want to ban cash and push everything digital

It's easy control of inflation

Too much money in the system? Let's just start stealing money from deposits like they did in Cyprus (though these subhumans deserved it for allowing russniggers on their shitty little island)

I'm starting to think Blomps entire deal is just to rob as much money as possible and give it to Jews.

>>509908032
The only way the dollar collapses and america loses its power is if they are military defeated or its demonstrated they can be defeated. Or smaller to medium sized countries figure a way to defend themselves without america (nukes) which is why america was and is heavily trying to limit nuke development among small/medium nations like japan for example.

>>509907290 (OP)
Debt is our greatest strength

>>509908099
>incredible, you start with a false premise and proceed to write a wall of text that is irrelevant due to it.
What's that false premise?
>>509908032
>The only way Americans might be fucked
There are MANY ways the Americans can be fucked.
>is that they print like crazy
They have been doing that for over a century now.
>yet the dollar doesn't decline massively in value as it should've by now
It hasn't declined massively in value? How are you ascertaining that it has not?
>American spending trillions on for example military and AI bubble and getting very little in return
What do you mean by "little in return"? Little fiat currency or fictional fiat currency? Little foreign fiat currency or fictional foreign fiat currency? Or little actual real things?
Can you eat AI generated slop?
Can you fill your car's gas tank up with AI generated slop?
Can you build a building from AI generated slop?
Can you build machinery from AI generated slop?
>means their economy isn't as productive as they pretend it is
How does a jew-roped-peon such as yourself even define or measure productivity?
Through fiat or mostly fictional fiat currency earnings?
>Dollar "collapsing" (aka becoming Argentinian peso at worst)
The difference between the USD and peso or any other currency in terms of purchasing power is merely a span of time. Because all fiat and mostly fiat currencies bleed purchasing power over time. But some bleed it slower or started out with more purchasing power but they also overlap in terms of purchasing power. Just at different points in time.
>would mean quite substantial standard of living decline
Already experienced for decades by Americunts as well as Europeans.
You're dogshit for brains retarded if you haven't notice this decline.
>and they would have to start working real jobs again
lol.
1. Capitalism refuses to employ everyone.
2. The US CANNOT reindustrialise without relinquishing capitalism first. Because of the massive domestic inflation.

>>509908219
>eastern jew-roped-peon
pedorooskie plz, I know you wanna shill communism
but it's not that easy

>Which is to say, the economy of making real things and doing real things.
I understand it very well, but you see the problem is that when everyone will want to be china of the world, who will buy things? You don't understand the effects of scale and process optimization you need to have to EFFICENTLY make goods in every country

Like you want to make an iPhone in every country, let's have us all make our own iPhones right? But there's limited amount of rare earth metals, technology is also quite advanced you need the whole supply chain of all the stuff that goes into iPhone, so we'll need to trade, to trade you need to export because how will you buy resources? And will every country be able to develop their own technology and supply chain to make the iPhone?

Unlikely, so they'll need to buy technology at best or at worst just not give a shit and import the end product instead. Or make a shitty inferior local version. The question remains - will the country be able to survive when it's inferior technologically?

>>509907290 (OP)
gg

>>509908520
>What's that false premise?
your first sentence, romanigger

>>509908520
>What do you mean by "little in return"?
As it's not as powerful as the money implies

Compare it to WW2 how much stuff they were able to produce

inb4 modern stuff is way more advanced

who cares smartphones are also more advanced yet they can produce them in the millions

>>509907873
>Rome fucked up because it was overextended and their military couldn't handle it. The US has all the means to do exactly that.
The US doesn't have the means to do that. Its designed to be involved in two major wars on two continents and that's exactly what its already doing by supporting Ukraine and Israel. Any further conflicts will strain the military well past its normal operational capacity. It does not have unlimited amount of men, it does not have unlimited amount of airplanes, it does not have unlimited amounts of ships and so on.

>>509907443
this is the level of economic literacy that ruined us

>>509907873
>Do americans individually have a tax because of their debt?
Yes, they do. Well over 10% of the federal budget is now interest payments. Largest single expenditure
>money printing because their currency is the world reserve currency and have full control over it
Well, that's exactly what they've doing. Now inflation is a full point above target even though the Fed rate is 4.5%, and the dollar is still weak. Meanwhile the debt (principal) is escalating due to the BBB etc while the budget is increasingly under pressure from variable costs (interest payments)
So how's that printing working out for them?
>America's military can also prevent others losing value from the dollar by imposing massive control over their defense,
Kek
How exactly is the US military going to prevent an even weaker dollar?
At this point I have to ask, are you even 18? Because you have to be to post here

>>509908356
It doesn't need to be defeated, but its status as a superpower will be gone or greatly diminished. It's already happening. And all the privileges of it as well.

They will just have to compete as normal country. Just like pedorushits after '89 for which they are immensely butthurt to this day.

>>509908700
Kek, at least some of you are all right
It was in fact GS jews who ruined you, but yeah they had an easy time I guess

>>509908235
>Why do you think they all want to ban cash and push everything digital
1. To be able to cancel/unperson undesirables.
2. To no longer need to keep up the charade of banking being a legitimate business and not merely legalised fraud.
3. To be able to deny you the ability to park fiat currency out of circulation as savings. Which, in turn, requires creation of additional new fiat currency to replace it in circulation.
4. To be able to control if, when and what you spend your money on and what you may not spend money on at all or only at certain times.
5. To track every transaction.
>It's easy control of inflation
Another simpleton take.
>Too much money in the system? Let's just start stealing money from deposits like they did in Cyprus (though these subhumans deserved it for allowing russniggers on their shitty little island)
1. The money in the bank is not real. It's fiction. Banning cash means moving to an all fiat currency system where fiat is purely and exclusively fictional.
2. The fictional fiat currency sitting in the bank is not contributing to inflation unless and until introduced into circulation.
3. Deposits come out of loans and not the other way around.

>>509907652
> Debt only matters if you have to pay it back.
Nope, it influences the trust of investors. Negatively.

>>509908636
>your first sentence, romanigger
You mean this?
Capitalism is a jewish scam which runs on perpetual geometric expansion of the fiat currency supply and inevitably periodically fails through either hyperinflation or massive depression and cancellation of large swaths of the fiat currency supply, where the working class have their fiat savings cancelled in bank "failures" or "bail-ins", like in the Cyprus banking crisis.
What's false about it?

>>509907443
the national debt is mostly american to american debt. it's important because it shows how little actual growth we can continue to output. we have to pay back for the "growth" we had in the past that was only possible with debt. it's a sign that america is in a down cycle of growth.

>>509907290 (OP)
This can be fixed with proper policy. Milei turned a budget surplus within a few months by making some radical changes.
The real issue isn't the debt itself but the fact that all those trillions were mostly squandered for bullshit.

>>509908817
your conception of what capitalism is. but it's not surprising, subversive commies need to skew the premise to sell their bs.
>ib4 "so you're saying the system is 100% fine and right????"

>>509907490
The world your parents lived in IS over you fucking retard.

>>509908652
>As it's not as powerful as the money implies
So you're saying that the purchasing power of the USD has been declining noticeably? Is that what your point is?
Well, no shit. That's the case with every fiat or mostly fictional fiat currency over time.
And you cannot have capitalism without fiat currency or the legalised fraud that is banking.
>Compare it to WW2 how much stuff they were able to produce
Is your point here that the US is a deindustrialised shithole hopelessly reliant on imports?
Well, yeah. That's kind of what capitalism does, haven't you noticed?
Can you produce all the stuff you were able to produce internally 40 years ago?
Of course.
>inb4 modern stuff is way more advanced
What is more advanced, actually? Everything is regressing in either quality, reliability/longevity or robustness/sturdiness. The only things improving are computers/servers and digital devices.
>who cares smartphones are also more advanced yet they can produce them in the millions
As I said, digital devices are better performing. But they also have way less material and cheaper material in them and are way less sturdier than they used to be.
Apart from computing power, what else is improving? The quality of their homes has declined. The quality and serving size of their food has declined. The quality of their clothing has declined. The quality of their cars has declined on a constant price basis. What has improved apart from computing power?
Even the plastic bottles have thinner plastic walls which crumple in on themselves when you start pouring the liquid out.

>>509907652
most debt owners are american citizens

>>509908786
>3. To be able to deny you the ability to park fiat currency out of circulation as savings. Which, in turn, requires creation of additional new fiat currency to replace it in circulation.
that essentially puts the brake on inflation retard, people stop spending

>5. To track every transaction.
well that too but there's still crypto

>Banning cash means moving to an all fiat currency system where fiat is purely and exclusively fictional.
cash is fiat too, has been since quitting the gold standard

>2. The fictional fiat currency sitting in the bank is not contributing to inflation unless and until introduced into circulation.
It doesn't sit there forever
or when people only start saving and not spending the economy crashes
usually before that prices go down and profit vanishes, business go bankrupt etc..

America has unlocked infinite GDP exploit since or even before the end of cold war. Regular maths and economics don't really apply to their financial system anymore

>>509908655
I think it can handle 3 major conflicts since they have the tanker fleet to do so plus thousands upon thousands of fighter jets and aircraft carriers. Personnel numbers are not enough but a few recruitment incentives can do the trick (sign tappers won't do shit when the military promises money similar to what russia does to its soldiers).

>>509908719
>Yes, they do. Well over 10% of the federal budget is now interest payments. Largest single expenditure
The tax is inflation but as I said its a issue if you rent your home.

>Well, that's exactly what they've doing. Now inflation is a full point above target even though the Fed rate is 4.5%, and the dollar is still weak. Meanwhile the debt (principal) is escalating due to the BBB etc while the budget is increasingly under pressure from variable costs (interest payments)
So how's that printing working out for them?

Increasing the debt at this point is meaningless since japan has worse debt to gdp yet they are fine for the most part

>How exactly is the US military going to prevent an even weaker dollar?

By using its power as a leverage to countries that try to dedollarize or question their control? The markets went up after the Iran attack despite schizos saying a crash was imminent because of it. See this is the reason why the dollar wont crash because when america is at a shit state they can just do a war that can crash others economies and get away with it due to its geography like they did in ww2 to get out of the great depression (which they did and had a economic boom after it).

If im under 18 youre just another 38 year old schizo that screams everyday "this is the moment america and the dollar collapses" and yet nothing happens and youre still living in your mothers basement.

>>509908750
If their status is questioned they can easily set up a regional war to reinforce it. Ukraine was exactly that.

>>509908700
you can cope all you want but us not being able to print caused the crisis

>>509908655
>Its designed to be involved in two major wars on two continents
It's designed to lose multiple wars concomitantly.
The only reason why the US, jizzreel and jewropean jewnion aren't getting bitch slapped by BRICS is because there is the credible threat of escalation to nuclear war, because of the clear and categorical inferiority of conventional means of the jew world order. So BRICS have to gently wait out the jew world order empire and manage its flailing outbursts as it does from internal sepsis brought on by capitalism and jewry.
1. Surface vessels are obsolete in the missile age. BRICS is firmly in the missile age.
2. Manpower and equipment amounts of NAFO, the US, 5 eyes and jizzreel is markedly less than BRICS and quality is lacking as well.
3. Industrial base and manpower pool of BRICS, and therefore its ability to replace losses, dwarfs that of the jew world order.
4. Land trade routes between BRICS members are impervious to denial by US Navy submarine sinking civilian commercial shipping to impose a blockade on China. That's why China is pivoting to land trade routes as much as possible through its Belt and Road initiative. And this is also one of the reasons for China's strategic partnership with Russia. Which is to say, to receive Russian technology and be able to rely on the assistance of Russian technology, such as ice breakers to open up a northern trade route to Europe for China, if need be.

>>509907668
>>509907731
>>509907754
>>509907772
yes, money exists to produce and have product. Thats the only purpose it serves, and dont flip it on its head that you can only produce when the money exists the transfer hands for people to start producing. It's also why the US is artificially producing so many things because it gives the excuse to pump more money out there for more kikes to get rich and richer.
also, not gonna read all this but I think we agree.

>>509908700
>this is the level of economic literacy that ruined us
That Greek disappointed me severely. He sounds like a Pole on vacation there, that's how dumb he comes across. I knew there were smarter ones out there.

>>509909058
>What is more advanced, actually? Everything is regressing in either quality, reliability/longevity or robustness/sturdiness. The only things improving are computers/servers and digital devices.
That only is a thing since the past 5 years let's say
it's true that we've been technologically stagnant since 2010s, bit all the low hanging fruit is already picked

before that things were mostly improving

>And you cannot have capitalism without fiat currency or the legalised fraud that is banking.
kacap communism had fiat money too and they printed it into oblivion to mask the inefficiencies
and it was unable to produce items in sufficient quantity, one thing that capitalism does well, even if the things are shittier over time because profit

like I said you'll always run into the same problems because people are greedy and want something for nothing

>>509909386
>If their status is questioned they can easily set up a regional war to reinforce it. Ukraine was exactly that.
Ukraine is pedorussians trying to restore their status from a world that no longer exists

Don't try to spin it in otherwise

Americans' ability to wage wars is greatly diminished, just as pedorussia is not USSR

both are relics of the Cold War, Blumpf himself is and so is pootin

>>509907290 (OP)
Cool. And now let's compare GDP.

>>509909445
silly pedoruskie, clean my toilet lol

>>509907362
kek, i like how niggercattle have been hoodwinked into basic bitch keynesianism that is not even applicable to the mmt rape they are undergoing. Wait until they unload what treasury bills and bonds are deep into you arse.

>>509908974
>your conception of what capitalism is.
Oh, you're one of those:
>nut muh tru, genuine, honest & reel gapidalism©℗™(pbuh)!
retards? Got it.
>but it's not surprising, subversive commies need to skew the premise to sell their bs.
You are a retard. You have no arguments or points or counterpoints.
>ib4 "so you're saying the system is 100% fine and right????"
I don't know. Are you saying that or not? If not, what would you say is wrong with it. And do note that IT is capitalism.
What's capitalism, I hear you ask?
Simple, mein frog. It's a for-financial-profit-operated-economy. All of its other properties, characteristics, traits and facets inevitably and intrinsically derive from that by way of causality.

>>509909388
>Russian technology
kek

>>509909541
>Ukraine is pedorussians trying to restore their status from a world that no longer exists

And what do you think? that america didn't have a hand in making it happen? they literally did so multiple times and it was to force russia to act so they could set the current conditions and force the EU to not get gas/oil from russia. Trump's handlers just as biden's handlers want to make this a long term thing to force EU to play by their rules and make them dependent just like it was after ww2.

>>509909058
you are seen and you have interesting points. continue to do good works in the comunity my friend.

>>509908816
Investors are much more comforted by their ability to drone strike their enemies than by their ability to repay their debts. Indeed, if the opposite were true, there wouldn't even be any incentive to invest in America.

>>509907290 (OP)
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Who's better of, you who has no debt or the guy who just bought a house that he'll be paying off for the next few decades. Debt is a measure of how much you can borrow, not a measure of how much trouble you're in.

>>509909386
>japan has worse debt to gdp yet they are fine for the most part
No, Japan is not exactly fine. Its finances are a complete mess. What's saving them is the fact a weak yen helps their economy, because it's export oriented
Japan also has far lower interest rates
Besides the problem, as I've said twice before, isn't so much debt to gdp as interest payments on debt taking up an ever larger share of government expenditures
>By using its power as a leverage to countries that try to dedollarize or question their control?
Hasn't happened, but even if it did, it wouldn't make the dollar any stronger.
You don't know what you're talking about strategically or financially, and I'm done tard wrangling for the day

>>509907652
Not the people who actually run the financial institutions.

>>509909655
The real problem is russniggers being unwilling to accept their diminished status. USSR was an anomaly that was corrected. russnigers should just kill themselves instead instead trying to be a superpooper, you are too subhuman to run things.

Just die russniggers, no one needs you.

>>509909724
Do retards like this even look at current exchange rates or historical interest rates or do they just post whatever occurs to their tiny nigger minds? It's puzzling

>>509909188
>>3. To be able to deny you the ability to park fiat currency out of circulation as savings. Which, in turn, requires creation of additional new fiat currency to replace it in circulation.
>that essentially puts the brake on inflation retard, people stop spending
Parking (mostly fictional) fiat currency OUT OF CIRCULATION, as savings IN A BANK, is DEFLATIONARY. Until that money is reintroduced into circulation.
>well that too but there's still crypto
It's not legal tender so you won't be able to buy shit in the real world with it.
>cash is fiat too, has been since quitting the gold standard
1. My point was that we would move to an ALL FICTIONAL fiat currency that doesn't even exist as physical cash and coins.
2. The gold standard was and is a fiat currency as well, you fucking retard. The gold standard DOES NOT PREVENT unbacked claims to fictional gold which doesn't exist in the bank vault or is the property of someone else from being fraudulently issued by banks.
BANKING IS LEGALISED FRAUD. Of course they can issue unbacked claims to fictional gold which doesn't exist in the bank vault or is the property of someone else. It's what banking does and intended and openly meant to do.
Today, the digital money is merely claims to mostly non-existent physical cash in the bank vault.
Back when the gold standard was in place, physical cash was claims to mostly non-existent gold in the bank vault.
>It doesn't sit there forever
While it sits there, it's NOT contributing to inflation.
>or when people only start saving and not spending the economy crashes
The economy would crash instantly at any time if the geometric growth of the supply of currency slowed.
>usually before that prices go down and profit vanishes, business go bankrupt etc..
Yes, capitalism cannot afford to purchase its own output/production for a price which makes it financially profitable to have produced it. Unless the money for the profits is continuously created and injected into circulation.

>>509909207
>America has unlocked infinite GDP exploit since or even before the end of cold war. Regular maths and economics don't really apply to their financial system anymore
GDP is inflated by inflation, scarcity, poverty and lack of ownership (which causes you to need to rent).

>>509909915
this shit only matters for irrelevant countries like Italy or the Netherlands. American power stems from its navy being able to bomb anyone who disrupts American based global trade, just like Russian power stems from its 5.000 atomic bombs.
It won't be fake numbers on a computer screen to make them crumble - deal with it

>>509907774
>holy kek where do you nigger retards even come from?
They come from the same school of thought that food in the supermarket just magically appears.

>>509910079
Another retard confirmed
God this board is shit these days

>>509909806
Btw, you never met a russian in your life moreover you probably never left your little village.
Polish Bydlo is just something else.

>509910141
> can't address the argument
gtfo election tourist nigger

>>509907774
>get out of interest payments
they just print more money for the interest payments

>>509907290 (OP)
'all about the 340 win'

>>509909637
As expected of Poles, you are genuinely retarded. And seething with malding assblast while retarded as well.
A USN carrier group can probably not intercept an adequately sized and well timed salve of Kh-22. A high supersonic missile from the 60s. Russia and China are treating the jew world order empire with velvet gloves to prevent it throwing a tantrum and escalating straight to nuclear because of its categoric inferiority in all conventional areas and domains of armed conflict except maybe the hunter/killer submarines of the Americans.

>>509907290 (OP)
So what happens when the US inevitably goes "kek, I ain't paying?" And the morons that did the lending can't force it to pay?
I can see china biting back somewhat but Japan? Eurofags? Tf are they going to do?

>>509909786

>What's saving them is the fact a weak yen helps their economy, because it's export oriented
Japan also has far lower interest rates

The US compared to japan has more things for it that can support its economy like technology and others that most of the world relies upon and compared to most countries the US has a far better birthrate to sustain its population and the overall fact the markets are still going up means everything is moving normally.
Keep coping, the dollar and american hegemony won't go away any time soon.

>Hasn't happened, but even if it did, it wouldn't make the dollar any stronger.
The EU was crying about the tarriffs without doing jack shit and NATO's leader called trump "daddy" as to beg him to keep NATO support and all EU countries except spain agreed to raise their military spending to 5% as america asked (even though for most EU countries this means they will have to reduce spending to other things but Orange Retard said we need to so we do). Also don't forget multiple ME and EU countries beg america to do something about the houthis. Now that we are talking about it the whole ME relies on america to protect their oil. The whole system is relied upon america and america can do whatever it wants with it.

>You don't know what you're talking about strategically or financially, and I'm done tard wrangling for the day

concession accepted

>>509910043
>The gold standard DOES NOT PREVENT
it doesn't but in the early days everyone followed the rules to the point that they forcibly collected the gold from citizens

until they stopped pretending when Bretton Woods ended

>Yes, capitalism cannot afford to purchase its own output/production for a price which makes it financially profitable to have produced it. Unless the money for the profits is continuously created and injected into circulation.
well in kacap communism you had scarcity of goods on the other hand
to the point when used things went up in value

Like I said, you'll always run into these problems, because of human nature and scarcity of resources/labor/energy. It's not that easy. Humanity has been literally waging wars over this throughout its entire existence.

>>509910311
This. What the fuck is holland going to do when little donnie doesn't pay back a single cent? Make their fancy queen do angry dance moves?
Also almost the entire European gold reserved is located in Fort Knox. It's never going to be returned kek

>>509907873
>americans make on average 70k a year after taxes
Just wondering where you get this number from. I thought the median income in this country was 35k.

>>509909407
>yes, money exists to produce and have product.
Money should not exist. Neither should capitalism.
>Thats the only purpose it serves,
The purpose of money is to hamper and hamstring the real economy and slow and limit our development as a species.
Money is the door which blocks the hole in the wall which you actually pass through the wall through.
You think money (the door) is what's letting you pass through the wall, because you're a simpleton like 99.99% of people.
What's actually letting you pass through the wall is the hole in the wall (the real economy) the purpose of money (the door) is to block 99.99% of the time.
Money is a stealth rationing system where the rations go down over time.
If you think we need money you are brainwashed and dumb.
>and dont flip it on its head that you can only produce when the money exists
In a capitalist economy, all production is done exclusively with the goal and reasonable expectation or hope for financial profit.
However, production still occurs, even inside of capitalism, in spite of the requirement for financial profitability.
>the transfer hands for people to start producing.
In capitalism, production is paid for in advance with bank credit (issuance of new fictional fiat currency by banks). Otherwise nothing gets done.
>It's also why the US is artificially producing so many things
The US doesn't produce shit. At most it assembles components or subassemblies imported from abroad. But even that is miniscule compared to BRICS.
>because it gives the excuse to pump more money out there for more kikes to get rich and richer.
Capitalism runs on perpetual geometric expansion of its supply of fiat currency. Even if most of that fiat currency is fictional (US FED stopped disclosing the M3 money supply size back in 2006), it still spends just as if it had been physically printed, minted or coined.
>also, not gonna read all this but I think we agree.
Maybe.

>>509910202
I literally meet them online all the time, and it only makes me despise them even more.

>>509907443
You think like a 5th grader. US military is not going to stop a default. If the US defaults on its debt, all foreign investment will cease. No one will buy bonds, and the US dollar will become worthless as the world scrambles to find a more stable currency.

>>509910443
overall its 65k to 70k. Youre probably thinking of blue collar jobs average but still compared to the rest of the world blue collar jobs make more money in the US by far.

>>509907774
>>509908816
what about if they lower the interest rates? They're still ripping off the bond holders but not as much as just cancelling it

>>509910491
>US defaults on its debt

Not want to lower your hopes but the US won't default on its debt any time soon if ever (unless a disaster happens).

>>509909446
>kacap communism had fiat money too
Yes, because it was state capitalism.
>and they printed it into oblivion to mask the inefficiencies
Heh. What a retarded take. Is the capitalist system efficient, you retard?
What if you were no longer able to import anything starting tomorrow, how efficient would your Polish capitalism be without imports? With only the stuff you are capable of making and/or of doing yourselves?
LMFAO
>and it was unable to produce items in sufficient quantity,
Are you producing those items in sufficient quantity now? Or are you merely importing them?
>one thing that capitalism does well, even if the things are shittier over time because profit
Again, MINUS THE IMPORTS, how well would you live under Polish capitalism today? Or 2 months after imports stopped?
Think carefully, Poo-lackey.
>like I said you'll always run into the same problems because people are greedy and want something for nothing
Typical eastern jew-roped-peon cop-out.

>>509909579
I'm not Russian, you retard. LMFAO

>>509907290 (OP)
The USSR debt was like a couple billion, extremely low.
It still collapsed to the level of an absolute total shithole.

>>509910661
Hello grandpa

>>509910628
stop shitting up the thread with walls of text

>>509907290 (OP)
Why today specifically? What happened?

>>509910483
>Money should not exist. Neither should capitalism.
How will you distribute resources then lol

Lemme guess, everyone will have Klaus Schwab like digital card or app or whatever and you'll only be able to consume a set amount per month to not emit CO2
notice how this sounds similar to kacap communism except communism used old school paper and standing in line

>The purpose of money is to hamper and hamstring the real economy and slow and limit our development as a species.
the real problem is limited resources that you can at least TRY to distribute efficiently
but then again, who will decide where to spend them and why? a dictator? a politbiuro? a capitalist?

that's why we have mixed economies now, instead of either pure capitalism or communism

but IT'S NOT THAT EASY
it never is

>>509909579
The jeets of europe...

>>509910628
>Yes, because it was state capitalism.
ofc they had money because they had to manage the distribution somehow

>Heh. What a retarded take. Is the capitalist system efficient, you retard?
it's highly efficient at mass production if nothing else

>What if you were no longer able to import anything starting tomorrow, how efficient would your Polish capitalism be without imports? With only the stuff you are capable of making and/or of doing yourselves?
we'll manage pedorooskie, worry about your sanctions dumb animal


>Are you producing those items in sufficient quantity now? Or are you merely importing them?
global division of labor
geopolitics

there's a lot more factors at play than just muh capitalism
creating national wealth is not easy

russniggers have massive amount of natural resources yet they are poorer than us

>>509907443
>as long as

>>509907290 (OP)
Jews LOVE goyim in massive debt!

Only thing they love more? WAR !

>>509909786
>No, Japan is not exactly fine. Its finances are a complete mess.
Which is the case with all capitalist countries. Every single last one.
>What's saving them is the fact a weak yen helps their economy, because it's export oriented
So the actually real economy. The economy of making real things and doing real things. The one that capitalist countries which run multi-decade long trade deficits (which is most capitalist countries) destroy inside of themselves.
>Japan also has far lower interest rates
To make it cheap to keep expanding the (mostly fictional) fiat currency supply to enable the continued financial profitability of their capitalist society.
>Besides the problem, as I've said twice before, isn't so much debt to gdp as interest payments on debt taking up an ever larger share of government expenditures
This wouldn't be a problem if the jewnited states of golemica still had a real economy. A developed industrial base.
They could simply renege/default on their foreign debt and consuming what they produce internally.
Too bad they've gutted their real economy since 1965. That's 60 fucking years on unabated deindustrialisation.
Now they're hooked on imports. Completely and hopelessly reliant on them. Just like most jewropean jewnion cunt-tres. Can't just cut off. Even trying to wean themselves off of imports using tariffs won't work. There's no internal output/production to replace what's not imported or no longer imported or able to be imported.
And it's not financially profitable to rebuild the internal productive capacity either. Even with 500% tariffs. Which would destroy society before internal output grew enough to replace imports.
A catch-22, if I may say.
The only way out of the consequences of multiple decades of capitalism is relinquishing capitalism. There is no solution to the intrinsic, systemic problems of capitalism which is internal to capitalism (for-financial-profit-operated-economy).
I must say, I am amused and entertained.

>>509907652
They issue bonds and must pay the principal and interest at an assigned date. Most of these bonds are owned by American individuals and institution. If they don't pay it back, then no one would buy the bonds in the future and it would fuck over millions of people and powerful financial institutions, destroy the economy, and lead to the collapse of the government.

>>509909722
Thank you, good sir. And fren.
Here, have a GDP and money supply graph of New Zealand.
Hope you managed to avoid the jewish poison injection genocide of Whites.

>>509910518
Averages in the US are distorted by the upper class getting hundreds of millions or more. Median is a better way to look at it. And median household income is around 69k. But the way you are talking you make it seem like average individual income is 69k which is not true. If median household income is 69k then the individual median is around 34.5k.

>>509911048
>So the actually real economy. The economy of making real things and doing real things.
so it's somehow possible to have a real economy in capitalism and keep it

>And it's not financially profitable to rebuild the internal productive capacity either. Even with 500% tariffs. Which would destroy society before internal output grew enough to replace imports.
they could do what chinks did which is to subsidize the shit out of the internal industries
japanese and koreans do it too

but there's also the problem of demographics
chinks run off of demographics dividend which is typical for BRICS shitholes
but the situation won't last forever just like it didn't for European and Americans

>>509907652
>Default on debt
>No longer able to take loans since nobody is willing to give loans to someone who just defaulted
>Only able to fund the parts of government that can be funded off taxation
I'd be fine defaulting if we could balance the budget, but defaulting when you can't pay half the budget without loans is retarded

It's fine. Your new president will yell a slogan
>PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!!!!!!
>PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!!!!!!
>PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!!!!!!
This will make the magamutt very happy and clap.
And then he will buy another trillion worth of military gear, and add it to your debt while you clap.

>>509911048
>Which is the case with all capitalist countries. Every single last one.
I don't care much for muh capitalist. All systems are 'capitalist' in the sense that someone controls the means of production
So I refuse to discuss on your terms
Even so, 'financial mess' is a matter of degree, and Japan's public finances are on the far end of the scale, at fucked up beyond repair
> capitalist countries which run multi-decade long trade deficits (which is most capitalist countries)
Actually it's only anglo countries that run large trade deficits
>This wouldn't be a problem if the jewnited states of golemica still had a real economy. A developed industrial base.
US has a large industrial base (2nd in the world) and also of course a massive service sector
>They could simply renege/default on their foreign debt
Most of its debt isn't held by foreigners, as I keep telling you tards

>>509907290 (OP)
This doesn't affect Americans. The debt being $5 or $500 trillion doesn't affect the $5 subway footlong deal coming back

>>509907679
this is retarded. Debt and money are all fake and can't produce value. Goods are the real valuable things in this world.

>>509907290 (OP)
In america everyone feels entitled to a middle class lifestyle for some reason. It's only possible with government subsidy.

>>509911211
You shit on capitalism yet offer no better solution

That's why I hate russniggers

There's also the problem that the world trade is a zero sum game. If Europeans and Americans started to rebuild their industries hardcore like chinks did, BRICS shitholes would have to lose. We can't all be competitive, it's unlikely you'll have 20 nVidias that are just as good, winner at the top takes all and the rest maybe will have some crumbs off the table.

Either that or you'll have race to the bottom with prices I guess, because how else will you compete. Or we'll all stop trading but that is impossible, because resources aren't distributed equally everywhere. So you'll always have to import SOMETHING, thus compete in world trade.

>>509911572
muttland is now another failed experiment by jews.

>>509911449
>Even so, 'financial mess' is a matter of degree, and Japan's public finances are on the far end of the scale, at fucked up beyond repair
It doesn't matter, everything in Japan functions every well and they have their own industry

But they'll also have to remain competitive and it's not a given

Someone will have to lose

>>509907490
Do you have consciousness retard?
The world that used to be is fucking GONE and now its full of niggers, chinks and street shitting niggers
Maybe youre one of them thats why you cant see it

>>509910732
>How will you distribute resources then lol
You work you get rations. You don't work, you don't get rations.
The same as in capitalism. Except in capitalism, the rationing is done with one extra step so retards (like most Poles) don't recognize it as being rationing. Because of that one single, solitary extra step, they stop noticing it's rationing.
What's more, Poles (but, really, most jew-roped-peons, including my own retards over here) don't even realise that the rationing of capitalism is such that the rations go down over time. They go down in quality and go down in price. Due to currency debasement.
>Lemme guess, everyone will have Klaus Schwab like digital card or app or whatever and you'll only be able to consume a set amount per month to not emit CO2
Neah, a fair system would be where you have to work to consume and your monthly rate of consumption of various things would be capped at a certain maximum amount but the caps would vary depending on how hard and how well you work, how much you work, how hard or dangerous your job is etc.
Basically capitalism except with the extra step of money and with actual meritocracy rather than the jewish anti-meritocracy of capitalism.
>similar to kacap communism
Muh gommunism. Rent free in eastern jew-roped-peon skulls for another few millennia.
>the real problem is limited resources
Then why is deindustrialisation a thing?
Why is the energy scam a thing?
Why is cheap, abundent energy producing capacity intentionally destroyed?
Why is Goymany closing down and demolishing its nuclear power plants?
Why does China not have limited resources?
Why are you banning yourselves from buying cheap Russian raw materials and commodities?
Do you even grasp how utterly demented and retarded you are?
>but then again, who will decide where to spend them and why? a dictator? a politbiuro? a capitalist?
Necessarily not jews or poles or other undesirables.
>we have mixed economies now
All economies are capitalist, retard.

>>509911616
Everything is

in pedorussia they built communism and it also failed
they also funded national socialism and it failed in its goals though made jews much more powerful, it gave them moral justification for everything they do

that's why I don't understand why chuds worship sHitler

>>509910929
>ofc they had money because they had to manage the distribution somehow
They were retarded. Should have gone beyond money. Should have avoided trading with capitalist countries.
>it's highly efficient at mass production if nothing else
Ok, so stop importing anything. Let's see how efficient you are at mass production under capitalism.
In fact, I'll make it easy for you. I'll let you continue importing from the rest of the EU. But the EU may no longer import anything from outside except raw materials and basic commodities.
Let's see that vaunted capitalist efficiency.
>we'll manage pedorooskie, worry about your sanctions dumb animal
Seething, malding assblased Pole keeps coping I'm Russian.
>global division of labor
>geopolitics
Pole cops out. Taps out.
>there's a lot more factors at play than just muh capitalism
No.
>creating national wealth is not easy
Not under capitalism it sure as fuck is not, lmfao.
>russniggers have massive amount of natural resources yet they are poorer than us
Heh. The retarded poo-lack thinks (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth, rather than merely just claims on wealth. And therefore that inflation is wealth creation.
Hurr durr, the more you pay for stuff, the richer it must mean you are, right, Poo-lack? Durr hurr

>>509907290 (OP)
who are they in debt too? the tax man?

>>509910661
>Gipsy aesthetics
Undeniable

>>509907362
Their interest on that debt surely is.

>>509909595
Yes Kenyan economics don't work. You have one of the most giga growth periods in terms of technology in this world yet everything is at point of crisis and collapse. It's more like a ponzi / pyramid with stocks and real estate as collateral.

>>509907571
>be second Rome
>overextend
>debase currency
>debase citizenship
>endless illegal immigration
>endless war in mesopotamia
>muh legions

>>509907521
Yes. Which will mean collapse of retirement if it misses payments. It will also affect European markets to a huge degree.

>>509911753
>the caps would vary depending on how hard and how well you work, how much you work, how hard or dangerous your job is etc.
Who will be the judge of that?

>Basically capitalism except with the extra step of money and with actual meritocracy rather than the jewish anti-meritocracy of capitalism.
kekaroo, what could possibly go wrong with that

>Muh gommunism. Rent free in eastern jew-roped-peon skulls for another few millennia.
I smell a kacap I react
you subhumans did enough damage to everyone

>Then why is deindustrialisation a thing?
chasing low effort profit I guess
as Japan and Korea shows, you can still have industry with smaller scale though it's still a win-lose scenario for other countries
as in we have less industry so that they can take the cake

>Why is the energy scam a thing?
>Why is cheap, abundent energy producing capacity intentionally destroyed?
>Why is Goymany closing down and demolishing its nuclear power plants?
ideology, basically gay communism
also lack of natural energy resources in Europe

>Why does China not have limited resources?
It does, it just prints a fuckton of money, spams every industry with cheap subsidized products and optimized/monopolized everything it could
also has massive scale of everything, very important factor in capitalism and generally in efficient production

>Why are you banning yourselves from buying cheap Russian raw materials and commodities?
geopolitics, russians and shitmans being subhuman scum and pieces of shit

>>509907290 (OP)
Actually they won't have to pay it back or something! Unlike GDP, that one number actually shows how much rizz aura a country got.

>>509907290 (OP)
America's dinner bill is bigger than russia's GDP kek ballin

>>509907597
It was 330 last year. We've paying it.

>>509907290 (OP)
>MUH NUMBERS GO UP

What is Russia’s debt to gdp ratio?

>>509911919
>Should have gone beyond money.
pretty sure they tried at the beginning and it didn't work

>Ok, so stop importing anything. Let's see how efficient you are at mass production under capitalism.
Why would I stop? I'm too deeply entrenched in the global system. It is what it is but it's still better than pedorussians leeching off of everybody like it was in the kacap union.
Instead let pedorussians stop importing counterfeit Western/chink goods via Central Asian shitholes. I'm sure you have the "technology" to replace the cheap chink xiaihui phones you use.

>Heh. The retarded poo-lack thinks (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth, rather than merely just claims on wealth. And therefore that inflation is wealth creation.
It's about as real as the house or a car I can buy for it
and food

>>509911262
>so it's somehow possible to have a real economy in capitalism and keep it
Not in the long term, no. And not without massive government interference in and control and direction of the economy. And even that just delays the inevitable.
>they could do what chinks did which is to subsidize the shit out of the internal industries
The US has the world reverse currency and world trade currency issuer status. It cannot reindustrialise until it loses that and also cannot reindustrialise without relinquishing capitalism because it will also be financially cheaper to import than to make domestically. Which is why they and most capitalist countries deindustrialised in the first place, because it was cheaper to import than make domestically. And the US is too deindustrialized to government subsidy its way out of it, in an already highly inflationary domestic economic environment. In order to subsidize internal production you have to add to the inflation. Which also adds to the already very inflated domestic production costs.
In order for the US to reindustrialize, they'd need basically free energy (so maybe public release of some suppressed technologies regarding that) and raw materials (which it would be cheaper to import from abroad) and massive amounts of automation (to avoid hiring domestic labour). And the reindustrialisation would not mean employment in the industrial sector, because of massively expensive labour costs due to the massively inflationary domestic economic environment. It would mean automation.
>japanese and koreans do it too
It's too late for the US to subsidize its domestic industrial production to preserve it. Its domestic industrial production is gone. It needs to re-create it from near nothing.
>but there's also the problem of demographics
Capitalism genocides races which adopt it.
>chinks run off of demographics dividend
What is this catchphrase you heard from Zeihan or some other retard shepherds which you mindlessly regurgitate here?

>>509911449
>I don't care much for muh capitalist. All systems are 'capitalist' in the sense that someone controls the means of production
That's not what capitalism means. Capitalism means a for-financial-profit-operated economy. All of its other characteristics, properties, traits and aspects derive from that for-financial-profit-operated aspect of it.
>So I refuse to discuss on your terms
nut muh tru, genuine, honest & reel gapidalism©℗™(pbuh)!
>Even so, 'financial mess' is a matter of degree, and Japan's public finances are on the far end of the scale, at fucked up beyond repair
They're irrelevant as long as they still have a real economy.
>Actually it's only anglo countries that run large trade deficits
Dead wrong. Most capitalist countries run trade deficits in terms of fiat or fictional fiat currency. Almost all do in terms of actual real stuff made internally and exported versus imported.
You see, just because you demand large amounts of money for your exports but buy cheap imports and the money flows balance out does not mean you're not hopelessly reliant on imports, even if the financial flows are even or near even.
Do you understand?
>US has a large industrial base (2nd in the world)
You are completely delusional.
>and also of course a massive service sector
You can't fill your gas tank up with services. You can't put services on your plate. Your house is not made of services.
Industry, mining/drilling, shipping ang agriculture are the backbone of the real economy.
>Most of its debt isn't held by foreigners, as I keep telling you tards
Still irrelevant. Because you can't eat fiat or fictional fiat currency and fiat or fictional fiat currency is worthless without stuff to spend it on.

>>509907362
beat me to it

>>509911602
>You shit on capitalism yet offer no better solution
Do I owe you a solution? Are you paying me for a solution? Would you accept the solution I came up with for you?
>That's why I hate russniggers
You hate because you're envious, jealous, backwards, inferior, dimwitted, ignorant and brainwashed. Like most Poles and also most eastern jew-roped-peons.
>There's also the problem that the world trade is a zero sum game.
Only under capitalism it is.
>If Europeans and Americans started to rebuild their industries hardcore like chinks did, BRICS shitholes would have to lose.
Or everyone's standard of living could simply increase and the number of hours worked per week would decrease for everyone.
>We can't all be competitive,
Yes we can. Not under neoliberal max jewified capitalism we can't though.
>it's unlikely you'll have 20 nVidias
Like all subhumans, you worship brand names and are a cargo cultist.
nshitvia and crapple are severely overpriced and overrated. Also, you cannot eat AI inference. You cannot fill your gas tank up with AI inference. You cannot build cars out of AI inference. Someone has to actually make the real things and do the real things. And that sure as fuck ain't happening under neoliberal, max jewified capitalism.
>that are just as good, winner at the top takes all and the rest maybe will have some crumbs off the table.
Absolutely retarded dogshit subhuman mindset. It's like saying there should be a single brand of cars or smartphones in the world.
You have the mentality of a slave. As expected of a Poo-lish subhuman. Bread for centuries to be the goodest of goy golems right after the Americunts.
>Either that or you'll have race to the bottom with prices I guess, because how else will you compete.
Your polish literal subhman mind simply cannot wrap itself around the concept of no money or prices.
>resources aren't distributed equally everywhere.
Plenty enough everywhere.
>compete in world trade.
You're not competing, lmfao.

>>509907443
yeah that best military(lol) sure does you a lot of good when the houthi's keep chasing you off with your tail between your legs lmao

>>509912348
>Who will be the judge of that?
Not my problem to figure out. But certainly not jews, poles or other subhumans.
>what could possibly go wrong with that
Nothing that hasn't gone wrong already with capitalism.
>you subhumans did enough damage to everyone
All poles sound alike. Do they make you in a soviet factory somewhere?
>chasing low effort profit I guess
Everyone chases low effort profit. That's why capitalist countries deindustrialize and have perpetual inflation and impoverishment.
>as Japan and Korea shows, you can still have industry with smaller scale though it's still a win-lose scenario for other countries
>as in we have less industry so that they can take the cake
If not for the requirement for financial profitability, deindustrialisation would not occur. Neither would inflation for that matter.
>>Why is Goymany closing down and demolishing its nuclear power plants?
>ideology, basically gay communism
Everything you don't like about capitalism or the jew world order which you are a subject of is communism, is that it?
>also lack of natural energy resources in Europe
Retarded take. Europe has plenty of coal. Why close down coal power plants?
Why not just close down nuclear power plants but demolish them as well, a few years after completing their construction no less. Like Goymany did?
>It does, it just prints a fuckton of money, spams every industry with cheap subsidized products and optimized/monopolized everything it could
Cope harder. To a cargo cult nigger like you, everything is about and comes down to money.
>also has massive scale of everything, very important factor in capitalism and generally in efficient production
So why don't all capitalist countries do as well?
>geopolitics, russians and shitmans being subhuman scum and pieces of shit
Oh, so you're going poor to spite the Russians, right?
Oh, that's right. You think (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth so you think you're making the Russians poor instead.
LMFAO.

>>509912662
>pretty sure they tried at the beginning and it didn't work
Yeah, most people are retards. And real productivity from automation and technology wasn't high enough yet.
>Why would I stop?
To show me how good capitalism is by demonstration.
>I'm too deeply entrenched in the global system.
Nice way of saying you're a deindustrialized shithole desperately reliant on imports for basically everything.
>It is what it is but it's still better than pedorussians leeching off of everybody like it was in the kacap union.
Muh Roshans.
>Instead let pedorussians stop importing counterfeit Western/chink goods via Central Asian shitholes. I'm sure you have the "technology" to replace the cheap chink xiaihui phones you use.
Sanctions are good for the real economy. They force a country to develop its own internal production.
If everyone banned exports to Russia, that would be the best possible thing for their real economy. It would remove the option of outsourcing of production.
I remind you I'm not Russian though.
>It's about as real as the house or a car I can buy for it
>and food
Every month, your money buys less than the one prior. That's the same as having rations and having them reduced every month, you stupid Poo-lack.
But because of the one thin abstraction layer / extra step involved, you simply cannot recognize it for what it is.
Hilarious.

>>509907774
>Yeah I'm sure they'll drone strike American pension funds and financial institutions to get out of interest payments

>>509907443
The goy will pay for it

US is a failed country run by a pedophile felon

>>509907290 (OP)

No one who has least little common sense won't think than muricans ever paying back their debts....default will be unavoidable.

>>509908974
>its not REAL capitalism
nigger, communism and capitalism are two sides of the same shekel. Capitalism can be best summed up with the question:
>Would you suck a dick for a million dollars
It puts a price on pride, principles, and your future. It is a jewish cancer. It is unrelenting, petty, mercantile, semitic aspiration.

>>509907652

Debt is debt but it is the interest which ruining debtors finances....you still have to pay yearly interests and that is gigantic sum even for muricans.

>>509907443
Every empire that has tried that strategy has ended up being destroyed not by military means but a public that became so divested from society that it collapsed on itself under its own weight.

If the average citizen can't afford anything and can't be given productive work that supports their life and family the house of cards collapses. End of story.

>>509914926
>It puts a price on pride, principles, and your future. It is a jewish cancer. It is unrelenting, petty, mercantile, semitic aspiration.
Poles are some of the goodest of goy golems. They live to tongue anus as vigorously, enthusiastically and assiduously as possible, coming in second only to the Golemicus Americanus.

>>509914926
>>509915249
To tongue jew and anglo anus, I meant.

>>509907290 (OP)
That's a sign of weakness from Russia. These 312$ are a tribute levied by the US Empire that will never be refunded.

>>509915031
It certainly begs the question of why we dont simply tax the rich. Because when we cut their taxes what happens is the government then ends up borrowing from the rich and promising to pay interest on that debt so in essence when we refuse to tax richfags we end up taxing ourselves with debt that then further enriches the richfags.

I dont know how people dont see it. Its all right there in the open. People will criticize the federal reserve, the WEF, and banks in general. But then simp for tax cuts for the rich thinking the wealth will trickle down. They empower the people who rob them and then despite hating being plundered continue to empower the people doing the plundering.

The greatest propaganda win richfags ever pulled was convincing the plebs that taxes = communism, but interest for debt = capitalism.

>>509910486
Aww, the 13 year old russkie kids are cyber bullying you.
>poolish "men"

>>509915390
Shuffling money around inside of your capitalist economies does not, in and of itself, create real things to spend it on.

>>509907362
> In 2025, the federal government has spent $776.3 billion on interest expenses on the national debt.
It's very real, and it's coming out of your pocket.

>>509907290 (OP)
At least they didn't surpass Russia's Total National Dead.

>>509907290 (OP)
Where’s the problem?

>>509907490
The world was over when you were born, not sure if it will start again before you die.

>>509907290 (OP)
In soviet Russia, debt jumps you.

>>509910486
Then, join the 70.000 Polish mercenaries we killed already.

>>509907873
The US cannot even handle itself, its own MIC is a scam and their industry is beyond saving, their armies are retarded spics with no loyalty, if countries start shooting down satellites they're cooked along with us.

>>509911493
KeK.

>>509907443
yeah, that worked well with Mongol Empire, Roman empire, USSR, Ottoman Empire... wait a min, it didn't

>>509907443
>as long as the US has the top military
genuine low IQ take. without money/purchase power or well maintained military tech the fighting moral drops to zero and without fighting moral the military is useless

>>509907362
its true lol
even the transnational jewish central bank's (.gov lol) website tells you outright its all just a shell game.

>>509907290 (OP)
Brace for impact, ladies and gentlemen.