If two rational actors—a business owner and a willing laborer—enter into a voluntary exchange of labor for compensation, then any third-party interference, especially from the state, is a coercive distortion of market equilibrium. The so-called “illegality” of the worker is a bureaucratic fiction; what matters in a capitalist system is utility, productivity, and mutual benefit—not papers, borders, or permission slips from a parasitic regulator class. Government intervention in this transaction is nothing more than anti-market authoritarianism masquerading as law.

>>509925793 (OP)
you lost, tranny

>>509925793 (OP)
But what if a bunch of retards screamed "you lost tranny" at you? Surely that would invalidate your claim.

>>509925913
well you did lose, and you are a tranny

you cannot have a truly free market without unlimited immigration, therefore unlimited immigration is inherently right wing, only commie shitskins will disagree

>>509925913
Nobody takes you or your arguments seriously
You're a joke .. physically weak, poor and unskilled
So yeah we'll just mock you instead lmao

>>509926282
a markets require appropriate weights and measures and boundaries, what you are describing is not a transactional market but an aggressive assault, whoever grabs first gets. that's not a market, that's not economics, that's just jungle behavior

>>509925793 (OP)
>The so-called “illegality” of the worker
Legal status is not an abstraction, you are intentionally incorrect and I judge you as both fake and gay.

>>509925793 (OP)
I dont give a shit about "muh free market" illegal immigrants take jobs away from actual American citizens and no amount of libertarian drivel is gonna change that objective fact.

>>509925793 (OP)
Hmm... needs more text
Here, lemme help

>>509926479
>markets require appropriate weights and measures and boundaries
that's literally communism, you're just proving me right sweaty

>>509925793 (OP)
1pbtid

you are gay.

>>509925913
>screamed "you lost tranny
Nobody is screaming, we're reminding you because trannies live in an alternate reality. Until next time, tranny

>>509925793 (OP)
Tell us more about these employers. Who are they? More specifically, who are the employers who employ the top 20 largest numbers of illegals?

>>509925793 (OP)
The business operates in the space secured and provided by the state and is thus subject to its rules - or risks losing the protections it enjoys and relies on provided by the state.

And then there's the simple argument of power, the farmer lacks the capacity to make his opinion mean anything in the face of the force behind law.

>>509926643
>Oh your government has laws? That's communism!
Lmao these bots aren't even trying

>>509926914

>>509926531
You think banning immigrant labor helps Americans? No—it props up inefficiency. It inflates wages artificially, which raises costs across industries, which hits consumers, including you. You’re demanding market distortions to indulge emotional nationalism. That’s not rational. That’s entitlement.

If you can’t outcompete someone willing to cross a desert and dodge ICE for a shot at working 12-hour shifts in brutal conditions, that’s not their problem—it’s yours.

You don’t like that? Compete better. Or get out of the way.

>>509928408
This model works fine assuming there's basically no social support system and your government can't incur debt. The people who stay are thus net producers. You can't have unfettered immigration with generous social services long term.

>>509925793 (OP)
If a man can own a property and control the borders around that property, why cannot then a group of men own a country which they control the borders of?

>>509925793 (OP)
Cry more commie, go die for illegals

>>509929299
Exactly.
If lolbertarians like OP want open borders, all welfare gibs, all of them, must be ended at the federal, state, and local levels. And this would only work with insanely tough voted ID laws.

>>509925793 (OP)
A business can only operate because the government enforces property rights.

>>509925793 (OP)
Isn't this the same argument for slavery?
Why do Democrats love slave labor?

>>509925793 (OP)
>>509928408
>—
ai lol

>>509925793 (OP)
>infinite browns
>to keep groceries prices low
ok sweetie, let me know when that happens

>>509925793 (OP)
Good thing I'm not a (((capitalist)))

>>509925793 (OP)
I’m not deporting you bro, you're going to be killed instead.

>>509926900
Trump is pro amnesty though

>>509929973
Put another way, people like OP are little more than civilization destroyers

>>509929299
The capitalist free market model does not depend on the presence or absence of a social support system to function; it operates on the principle of voluntary exchange and price signals. Immigration, under this model, is simply a response to labor demand. If employers freely choose to hire certain workers based on cost, productivity, and skill, then the labor market is functioning efficiently. The origin of the worker is economically irrelevant. Immigration increases labor supply, fills gaps in industries with labor shortages, and enhances overall productivity through specialization and scale. Whether or not the government maintains a welfare system or carries public debt is a separate institutional design choice, not a flaw in the logic of free markets. The presence of these state policies does not invalidate the core principle that markets allocate resources—including labor—through consent, competition, and efficiency.

>>509925793 (OP)
That’s all well and good, but you also have to remove the social safety net so the government isn’t subsidizing low wages for imported labor. Either remove all government interactions with labor or maintain appropriate government interactions on all sides. You can’t have it both ways. Politically speaking people don’t like the idea of allowing people to die so we are in the position where the people demand government control.

>>509930529
The social safety net is a direct interference with the free labor market. If the government provides essential services to some workers, those workers can demand lower wages and have an
unfair advantage over the workers not covered by the government services.

>>509930775
It's irrelevant whether imported labor accepts lower wages or whether people struggle as a result—what matters is that labor, like any commodity, flows to where it’s most efficiently allocated. If low wages attract foreign workers, that’s a market correction, not a problem; it reflects actual supply and demand, not artificial standards of fairness. Government subsidies, minimum wages, or social safety nets distort those signals and misallocate resources. The solution is not to restrict labor mobility but to eliminate the distortions—remove all interventions, let wages fall or rise according to value produced, and allow competition to drive efficiency. The market owes survival to no one—it rewards productivity, not sentiment.

>>509925793 (OP)
>If two rational actors—a business owner and a willing laborer
Rational decisions and agreements are not possible under and otherwise irrational system.
Desperation does not rational decision making make.

>>509930406
He's really talking about anarcho-capitalism. I read a lot of Murray Rothbard in college, and his ideas are, essentially, government isn't necessary at all and everything can be replaced with the free market. This is the opposite extreme of Marxism, where a centralized government can fully replace the free markets. Their follies are the same: the theories, while complicated and sophisticated, will fail in implementation b/c humans are faulty.

>>509926282
This is an even shittier forced meme than the Vance spam

>>509931212
I like the way you’re using AI to generate answers all while simply ignoring the fact that an unlimited increase in supply lowers the value of labor.

>>509931353
Desperation does not negate rationality—it clarifies it. In free market terms, rationality is not defined by comfort but by preference under constraint. A starving man who chooses work over starvation is making the most utility-maximizing choice available to him given his conditions. That is rational behavior. The fact that his alternatives are bleak does not make the decision irrational—it makes the stakes higher. Market decisions are not invalidated by hardship; they are sharpened by it. If you reject agreements made under duress, you reject the market’s function entirely, because all choices are made under some constraint—scarcity, time, risk. The free market doesn’t guarantee ease; it guarantees agency within scarcity. That is not a flaw. That is the definition.

>>509931374
i agree, but i think in the example of a business owner that it's not rational for the owner of the company to use the coerced labor of people who are unable to consent, for the production of weapons

>>509931212
Where did you disagree with me? I would LOVE it if the government would fuck off. Unfortunately we allow women to vote and they vote based on sentimentality.

>>509925793 (OP)
What does this even mean ?
Stop posting shitty memes , nigger

>>509925793 (OP)
>I want to force slave wages on everyone

>>509925793 (OP)
Here we go again with your unilever bullshit lmao

>>509930529
You were btfo by
>>509930991

>>509931374
I agree, but OP is a commie r/iamsmart/ redditor who ignores the other side of the ledger book. That is, the costs incurred on society by inviting unskilled labor without eliminating government support to them. Not to mention cultural compatibility issues.