What’s so bad about commieblocks? As long as they are affordable, well maintained, have green space, don’t force reliance on cars for basic necessities, etc?

>>509993051 (OP)
We tried that , ever heard of the projects? How'd that go?

>>509993096
>underfunded
>disinvested
>poorly maintained
>old buildings disintegrating
The overall architecture and living arrangements were never the problem

Those aren't commie blocks, they are condos.
Commie blocks are shoddy and hastily built with cheap materials and cramped living space. At night when the hustle and bustle of the city dies down and everything is still and silent, I can hear when my neighbor wakes up to take a piss because it splashes in the toilet bowl water. That's a commie block.

>>509993282
Wait you saying democrats fucked it up already and you want to do it again

>>509993358
My commie block holds for about 60 years after going through the quake of '77, while newly built (((condos))) have their walls falling after 10 years since they were built.
You shouldn't care anyway. You'll never get a loan to buy a house or a condo.

>>509993051 (OP)
How nice they are is heavily tied to how expensive they are and cheap high rise housing can be a proper shithole.

>>509993051 (OP)
come visit some here in NL; try such progressive paradises like the bijlmer. I can promise you that compton is going to look like a paraside in comparison; and yes ive been to both

>>509993051 (OP)
They would be alright if they were built to modern standards, communal areas and grounds maintained properly and only decent, working people were allowed to live in them.

>>509993096
That's not the blocks fault it was niggers

>>509993051 (OP)
Commie blocks don't look like your photo. They look like this:

>>509993051 (OP)
They are not affordable nor well maintained. Plus you hear everything your neighbour is doing. People are not supposed to live like sardines.
Plus noone is using these green spaces next to commie blocks because there is always some faggot living in one who will call police on you for being too loud or harrass kids.

>>509993282
We all know that the problem, fundamentally, is niggers

>>509993282
funnily enough you've just described commieblocks
one of the same
but nothing's wrong with them just as long as I'm not living in one

Singapore is regarded as having the best housing system with high rate of homeownership and guess what? It's all commie block

>>509993051 (OP)
we tried it
niggers ruined it

>>509993051 (OP)
only works in homogenous white societies that still holds values like respect towards others in high regard.
my grandma lives in one in the czech republic and it's nice. she has 3 balconies and everyone knows each other. no noise from neighbors. the whole neighborhood is quiet at night despite thousands of families living there.

it would never work in the west. niggers, mudslimes, and whites who let their kids be as loud as they want and running indoors till 3 AM would render the apartments unfit for living. hence why the west can only use them as camps for subhumans and poorfags.

There are too many people condensed into small areas.
This is what happens when certain people claim to own everything

>>509993532
>compton will look like a paradise
Compton is nothing compare ones poor cities like Baltimore etc. It was bad for the 90’s kinda but the main reason it was famous was due to it being in the West Coast and being home to a lot of celebrities. It was the ghetto of a rich city (LA was almost a lot better in general back than, not that LA is as bad as say Detroit or something now).
Our worse ghettos don’t really have w ton of apartment buildings in general though, most are just crumbling areas full of two story town houses, old large homes and shops. It seems wild but a lot of these shitty areas are full of homes that would be considered massive for Europe.

>>509993051 (OP)

OP is doofus. Those aren't commieblocks, those are high standard blocks.
Commieblocks = Plattenbauten.

(Oddly enough, 'Plattenbau' is the correct translation of the german 'Plattenbau' to english.

>>509993051 (OP)
Its about maintenence. We keep them clean and functioning so it looks nothing like Soviet apartment buildings. We put all our homeless in them so we only have like 2000 homeless left in country that are too mentally ill to get help.

>>509993902
This is the actual answer

>>509993051 (OP)
Ever heard of the victims of communism?

>>509993640
To prove you're not completely subhuman you should try to organize yourselves and recondition those buildings.
That's what we do and this is the result.

>>509993051 (OP)
they are great and testament to the USSR. It's cool when you read city documents how government is proud that they managed to increase living square meters for city livers or green spaces. What they did since 1991 was just decreasing it and saying how they are proud of making money selling previously public stuff.

>>509993640
this was done on purpose here in Lithuania, city government refused to spend anything on maintaining these buildings because they are "reliques of oppression" so they stood unmaintained and maintenance only began when Ukraine war started in 2014 so commieblocks would use less natural gas.

>>509993640
am >>509993902 poster.
this is what they look like where my grandma lives. very comfy.

>>509993051 (OP)
Commie blocks are ideal if you're like me and hate going outside. You've got all the shops, post office, banks, apothecaries, handy men and hair salons within walking distance. The only thing that sucks are the neighbors above you who always have annoying kids and dogs.

>>509993051 (OP)
I think the main thing for me is that they're often rundown and surrounded by poorly maintained asphalt and muddy fields.
Why is there so much mud in Eastern Europe? Seems like every video I see of that part of the world, if it's not snowy then it's a muddy mess.

>>509993051 (OP)
to many forced interactions with other ppl
all highrises end with the same issue :
some tenant is a rude idiot that starts issues and some retards follow his lead cause they think its hilarious
this forces the first good ppl to leave and make space for new retards
repeat that cycle till only retards are left and you have your first ghetto complex

>>509993640
commieblocks can look okay, it just runs counter to the purpose of low cost apartments when you spend money maintenaning everything

I have 2 porches, one screened in and one in the sun, the one in the sun has a door that opens to the pool ladder. I've got a place in the back for fires, log seats around it, a picnic table, 2 sheds, and woods behind my house.

>>509993051 (OP)
Because this should absolutely be possible if you go to work everyday

>>509993051 (OP)
>>509993640
>>509994132
my only beef with commiblocks is that the balconies are small, not enough sound insulation and that more often than not they are poorly maintained... as a thin in themselves. nothing wrong with commiblocks.

>>509993051 (OP)
alienation

I've lived in commieblock for over 18 years. It's the most depressing shitty living expereince ever. I prefer American cardboard cheap ass looking houses way more.

>>509993051 (OP)
When you're forced to live like a slave at some point you'll feel and believe you're a slave
that's why commie blocks are evil

>>509993051 (OP)
im not a cattle

>>509998973
>I prefer American cardboard cheap ass looking houses way more.
that's an oof from me. you're basically trading a commie block full of shitskins for a house in niggerville

>>509993051 (OP)
In a country full of child predators like JewSA, any sane parent wants their kids playing in a fenced-in back yard. The whole appeal of shared public space is based on the assumption that you can relax and be at ease around your neighbors. In muttland, that is not the case.

>>509993051 (OP)
what's the difference between commieblocks and projects?

>commieblock , Japan
WAAOW

>>509993051 (OP)
>don’t force reliance on cars for basic necessities
Problem with commie blocks is that often they are build in the outskirts so you do need a car. Also they are too big which makes maintenance too expensive. The best system for mass housing has always been just building apartment buildings within city blocks.

>>510000280
Commieblocks are more densely packed and made cheaply but built to last. The intent was to house a communist's nation's workers efficiently and little thought was given to any other concern. The Projects are less dense, cheaper, and much shoddier. The projects were just places to shove the welfare niggers while kike real-estate developers hoovered up tax dollars.

>>509993051 (OP)
nothing, that's why the development jew is pushing them around the world now

>>509994132
I don't want to live there either. That's just meat storage.

>>509998440
>balconies are small, not enough sound insulation
depends on the building, there are some beautifully designed ones that have quite large balconies and the walls are incredibly thick; in my experience it's more the newbuilds here that are fucking shit

you then have niggers like this >>509993640 that don't realise that these buildings and areas didn't always look like that, this is a result of gigajewry and a lack of maintaining the spaces people live in over three decades

>>509993051 (OP)
commieblocks house hundreds of families and you will need massive spaces for carparks
it was always a massive chore to find a parking space when I was living in commieblock

>>510000608
>The intent was to house a communist's nation's workers efficiently
so you're saying those workers first build their own homes and then got to work on other -- project.

>>510000855
>you will need massive spaces for carparks
in yerevan, the better newbuilds are basically just bigger commieblocks but they put the parking underground; that was also a practice in the soviet era in the city

>>509993051 (OP)
nothing, but depends on build quality

Some cheaply produced may have thin walls and stuff, but overall its very comfy way to live, especially since they are usually build in specially designed micro urban areas where everything is in walking distance from it - shops, schools, hospitals, parks, public transportation etc. Living in one is also lot less hassle than own house. Additional bonus is central heating and hot water and great internet.

>>510000608
>built to last
Khrushchevkas have a lifespan of 50 years, and that's a good chunk of all commieblocks

>>509993810
That's because Singapore is the size of my penis

>>509993051 (OP)
you dont know your neighbours
sometimes you say hello to someone with a familiar face, but that's the maximum amount of interaction you have with the residents of the commieblock

>>510000280
The projects were made for the blacks to work the factories during WW2. This is the first great replacement of whites. When they removed them they forced people out of the cheap neighborhoods into more expensive ones. That is the 2nd great replacement. Now we are importing labor to replace both blue collar and white collar labor that is the final replacement. White population in the US will be 20% in the year 2035.

>>509993532
your problems are only your problems, dont project, commie block micro districts are best place to live

>>509995944
you won't have time for "this" if you work every day

>>509993051 (OP)
Id rather have my own house in my own land then a cramped condo where privacy dose not exist

Here's a real answer from a well balanced non-chud.

Commie blocks are good for making high density affordable housing nearby to city centres and necessities. I grew up either on a farm or in a small town with a big yard etc, but have spent time in commie blocks in Europe. This style of living is almost non-existent in NZ, and it is a shame that we don't get the opportunity to do what Europeans do - after finishing studying, go live with a bunch of other young people in low priced accommodation where its easy to meet people and party and check out what the city has to offer. It's a low commitment compared to renting or buying an entire house, you can go traveling or move cities at will. Then when you are more financially stable and sick of doing drugs and smashing braindead whores, you move into a real house and start a family. This is the life that most western people should live.

BUT there are two main problems - firstly, due to artificially inflated housing prices, they aren't even that cheap. And secondly, rather than students and young people as they should be filled with, they are increasingly filled with shitskins from third world countries housing their entire extended families in slum like conditions. This is still an upgrade from their previous life so they do not want for more, and will stay in such places over generations. On top of that you have low wage earners who can not afford a house who will live in such accommodation until old age, and often raise children there.

Living in such close proximity to many like minded people is fun and exciting, living in close proximity to many criminals, mentally retarded thirdies, 45 year old alcoholics, and poorly raised children is neither fun nor exciting.

The style of accommodation is not the problem, its how it is used.

>>509993640
>>509995480
How's the sound insulation on these?

>>510001644
>where privacy dose not exist
this is a complete false meme and you probably never lived in actually large town

privacy doesnt exist in villages, every one knows everything about you and gossips. In city, you dont even know or ever see your neibourghs

>>510001792
Same in most western countries, even in the suburbs you barely know your neighbors let alone the entire neighborhood.

>>510001792
>you dont even know or ever see your neibourghs
Sounds like hell. I enjoy being part of a community

>>509993051 (OP)
Bad neighbors are a much bigger headache
Takes one hoarder or a crazy cat lady for everyone on adjacent floors to have a roach problem, for instance
Then there are noisy-but-within-legal-limits neighbors

>>510001792
i did live in the equivalent of a commie block, and what i meant is you cant do shit without effecting your neighbors, you cant talk freely or loudly, you dont have a private space for your self and children outside, you have to deal with the irresponsibility of your neighbors who are nigger adjacent most of the time
its just annoying and you dont have real independence and authority over your environment

>>509993051 (OP)
>commieblocks are good
Walls are so thin you can hear a neighbour two stories down farting. Don’t get me started on electrical, elevators and loud slavshits cooking smells coming into your apartment all day every day.

>>510002112
>you dont have real independence and authority over your environment
If you live in the society, you never do

>>510002257
yep, its a gay ass time we live in

>>509995944
>this should absolutely be possible if you go to work everyday
But, alas, it isn't. At least not for the majority of people who work.

>>509993902
>it would never work in the west. niggers, mudslimes, and whites who let their kids be as loud as they want and running indoors till 3 AM would render the apartments unfit for living.
You get used to it.
While not a complete commieblock, I live in social housing apartments, and let me tell you...even the drug dealing gypsies are careful to not make too much noise after 22:00.
As do the thieving whites who use a vacant apartment in the 3rd floor as a warehouse for stolen shit, they are pretty careful about making noise.
Sure, the door downstairs doesn't lock and has no windows because someone broke the glass years ago, making the entire building look like it's abandoned.
And sometimes you see rolls of stolen copper wire and random shit being thrown off the 3rd floor.
But it slowly becomes normal. You create a disconnect between the inside of your apartment and anything outside.

>hence why the west can only use them as camps for subhumans and poorfags.
Oh, hi.
I'm a poorfag.

>>510000280
The projects had good conditions, including A/C.
Actual commieblocks were made really cheaply.
Then you have Britbong commielocks for social housing which were made below budget hence why every now and then one of them just disintegrates.

>>509993282
>The overall architecture and living arrangements were never the problem
You are right, its the same as with commieblocks: The inhabitants and their mindset are the problem.

>>510001740
no clue about that particular one, but I grew up in an old school actual commieblock and in general you couldn't hear anything, the one exception is the apartment directly above, you'd hear kids jumping and the like carry through the ceiling
it expends on the building, mine had thick concrete walls, people in some buildings would install sound proofing in their apartment
like 30% of belgrade is covered in these nucommieblocks like picrel

>>510001740
no clue about that particular one, but I grew up in an old school actual commieblock and in general you couldn't hear anything, the one exception is the apartment directly above, you'd hear kids jumping and the like carry through the ceiling
it expends on the building, mine had thick concrete walls, people in some buildings would install sound proofing in their apartment
like 30% of belgrade is covered in these nucommieblocks like picrel

>>510001740
no clue about that particular one, but I grew up in an old school actual commieblock and in general you couldn't hear anything, the one exception is the apartment directly above, you'd hear kids jumping and the like carry through the ceiling
it depends on the building, mine had thick concrete walls, people in some buildings would install sound proofing in their apartment
like 30% of belgrade is covered in these nucommieblocks like picrel
holy shit i'm fucking retarded, 3rd attempt post this shit without fucking up

>>510001740
>>510002157
Better than American grifter apartments made out of wood and particle board. You can hear conversations, fucking, smell weed in the halls, smell garbage, hear TVs and if you say the nigger word everyone around you goes silent and people in the hallways stop walking in their tracks.

Commieblocks were concrete walls, floors and ceilings.

Wood is shit. I hate wood. I fucking hate wood. They actually build 4 story tall buildings with hundreds of units out of nothing but particle board mostly. It's absolute shit.

>>509993051 (OP)
>What’s so bad about commieblocks?
the jews don't want you to have commieblocks because commieblocks have SOVL.

>>509993096
Commieblocks work
>inb4
I grew up in one
Niggers and shitskins are the problem

>>510006048
remember when we thought assis with bierdosen and sido are bad?
yeah

>>509993051 (OP)
You keep saying that it's okay to build the shittiest housing humanely imaginable because it will be "affordable," and therefore instead of being inhumane and cruel, it makes you a good person, because you'll be helping poor people.
The people who run the economy are going to try to get people to finance everything so that everyone is always in debt anyway. They don't want people to ever be comfortable financially, no matter how small their houses are. The least we can do is build big enjoyable living spaces, so at least everyone can enjoy their home, while bankers try to make everyone a debt slave. You're just a weird cruel person who wants to make everyone live in tiny coffin like apartments for no reason.

>>509993051 (OP)
the longest commie block in europe is in geneva and it's comfy as long as there isn't too many violent 3rd worlders. it's like a small village, kids can play safely around and have plenty of friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgIMDVK2Sic

>>510006448
Building apartments doesnt stop houses from existing. You are advocating the inverse, forcing only large houses to be built is how you end up with massively inflated property values, debt and mortgage slavery, and house shares.

>>509993051 (OP)
I physically hated having an apartment in college. Sharing a wall with someone else is some of the worst shit.

>>509993640
Looks comfy af

>>510006448
High-rises aren't tiny, anon. Building up multiple stories results in far more living space than building on ground level only.
>>510007751
Ameripoors are some of the worst tenants on Planet Earth. They are filthy, obnoxious, insolent and absolutely shameless. Zero respect for anyone, including themselves.

In Uzbekistan, people often buy property and then build their own adobe mud houses to live in (even near cities), like they’ve done for thousands of years. Why can’t westerners do the same thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezi9q1irk9A

>>509993051 (OP)

These ain''t no commieblocks, these are what we call 'chicken coops', modern apartment projects are fucking cancer.

>>510008949
they're just normal well-insulated apartments. the only potential problem is who your direct neighbours are but it's the same with houses in the usa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdZ2Z9m9wE

We have those in some cities in Brazil, though Brasilia got really famous for their commie block (called superquadras here).

I've been living in those for the last 10 years or so, and the standard of living here is great (compared to Lisbon, Paris and some other cities which I also lived on), great security (you can walk home at night using your cellphone without worries, etc.), but it is expensive as fuck.


Gonna post some pics

Every single one of the apartment blocks do not have the ground floors, by law it has to be open for passage, and it makes the city really walkable, it's great. Also, being near a lot of trees all the time makes you feel great

>>510009842
great until some hobo dicides to make himself home or a drug dealer starts his business there

>>509993096
They aren't Commie blocks they are Capitalist Mutt nigger blocks.

>>510009947
>sees block
>immediately thinks of drug dealing or hobos.
>immediately thinks there is nothing that could be done against it
the french mind has been so battered by decades of laxism against order

>>509993051 (OP)
>As long as they are affordable, well maintained
Well there's you problem right there, retard.

>>510003328
>and let me tell you...even the drug dealing gypsies are careful to not make too much noise after 22:00.
you got lucky then.
the house my mother lives in was sold to leftiefag "businessmen" from berlin in 2020, a few months before the pandemic hit. these idiots have absolutely NO standards for tenants, none. my mother and i lived through hell 2020 - 2022 when a kurdish family well-known to authorities, which local cops even warned our new landlords about, moved into the apartment above us. loud bass and shouting 24/7, furniture being thrown around and brawls almost daily. elderly neighbor women who lived next to them was threatened multiple times. 4 or 5 murder attempts on other neighbor's kids because the criminals were annoyed by the trampling sounds on the stairs when they went to school in the mornings.

police didn't give a fuck. landlords didn't give a fuck. at least until they finally stopped paying rent. i'm glad i managed to move out for university. in the 3 years since then the "smarty businessmen" have had 4 or 5 troublemakers who don't pay their bills in other apartments. there's lots of new property damage and stuff like water bills that the landlords end up having to pay for the tenants and they still don't give a fuck. they're supposedly engineers but i find that hard to believe. how can you try to establish business without the intention to make profit???

at least my mom's safe now because her new neighbors are normal people, thank god.

tl;dr this sort of housing is only for criminals or rapefugees in the west who don't care about rest or sleep. to make them work you'd need to make special laws that dictate that troublemakers can be thrown out onto the streets within a week after he causes massive unrest to the entire neighborhood.

>>509993640
I'm willing to bet that this picture would look substantially less depressing if it had been taken in May instead of the winter.

>>510009584
>you can walk home at night using your cellphone without any worries
He is…. The most Brazilian in the world…

>>509993282
Almost like absolutely no one wants to live in these buildings so the kinds of communities that would actually invest their time, energy, and money into keeping these buildings up generally DON'T want to live anywhere near them. Crazy.

>>510009947
Nah, we got a really truculent police here, they aren't allowed this kind of stuff here. Most of the elite of public sector also lives around here.


Every single superquadra has their own business area, newsstand and sports court, and on every 2 superquadras there is a school, a church, a supermarket and a police station. Really comfy.

>>509994132
It still looks like shit

>>509993051 (OP)
We have finally gotten to the point where contrarian fags on this board will actually simp for fucking commieblocks of all things lmao, this board is fucking lost

>>510011159
this is real estate discussing for millennials and younger people. i hope niggers drive by shoot you, boomer nigger.

>>509993810
Acting like a nigger gets you caned there, here it's rewarded

>>510011303
>I'm a complete fucking moron retard that was psyopped into liking terrible things, let me call you a boomer though
ok retard, why don't you tell me what other retarded things you like because your personality is being a contrarian

>>509994072
like nazis?

>>509993523
>while newly built (((condos))) have their walls falling after 10 years since they were built.
X

>>510010596
>you got lucky then.
Probably because it's social housing and most people in my building have been here pretty much since the fucking thing was built (over 30 years ago).
The younger gypsy kids are third generation in this fucking block. (grand parents, mother/aunts/uncles and now them)
So overall there's nothing too weird. (outside the expected low key drug dealing; stolen shit, etc.)
Except the guy who shared the apartment with his brother, sister and nephew but had chickens, ducks, a goat and two big dogs. In a 3 bedroom apartment.
But he was kicked out by the social worker a few months before I moved into the building.

>>510010596
there should be more to the story. are you sure the stupid landlord didn't have a deal with the government to receive money in exchange of housing the unhousable? were the landlords white germans?

a

>>509993051 (OP)
Americans think that the word means any habitation with more than four floors.
Commieblock refers to what Russian called Khrushchevka, the sort of housing that was actually build in mass with standardized floor plan and construction methods in the soviet bloc from 1950 to 1980 (so everything between Warsaw and Vladivostok was mostly made of the same four grey drab buildings with loosy standards repeated indefinitely).
In fact they were typically not very tall because commies couldn't afford putting elevators in residential buildings. Only in a few frozen mining towns with energy saving consideration did they bother building tall ones (with even worse standards of confort).

>>509993051 (OP)
just look at all those cgi amenities

My parents' place (and mine until I moved out).

>>509993051 (OP)
Nothing. I've lived in modern ones for years, bus stops everywhere, parking, parks and amenities in the middle, shops on the ring on the first floor, they're great.

>>510013858
Do you think that the stealing have stopped after the system change? If anything it intensified.

>>509993051 (OP)
A bit of green paint does wonders.

>>509993051 (OP)
Thin walls + thin floor + thin ceiling = you'll hear the neighbour of your neighbour fucking at 4AM.
Commieblock inhabitants are also lethargic and cattle, so when the condominium (not sure how this gets translated in english, but it's like a HOA for commieblocks), represented by the condo chief, says they'll do some bullshit renovation project to justify their condo wages, you, of sane mind, won't be able to win, because the majority will vote in favour of the renovation, and now you'll have to pay your share of the renovation bill.
Commieblocks also suck because you generally don't have balconies, and depending on the localization of your commieblock, the Sun only shines on your windows between 2 to 8 hours. Because of this, commieblocks are also very cold and moldy, which isn't an issue for 1st worlders I guess, but for thirdies it is.
Also, most commieblocks do not have their blueprints available, so you can't really drill the walls, else you might hit electricity or water pipes. This means that if the commieblock doesn't have AC, then you likely won't be able to install an AC.
And it's not surprising, but when commieblocks are inhabited by niggers/majority niggers, it becomes a slum fortress. It's quite the sight, would make for a nice CQC FPS.

>>510013858
cheaper materials, faster build times, more apartments, more money.
Builders milking property agencies, and property agencies milking banks, banks milking the consumer.

>>509993051 (OP)
The range in build quality, floor plans, floor count, etc. is so wide that you can't really group them all under "commieblocks". Most of the people ITT seem to describing the very low end that was built for blue collar workers.
>>510014722
Most if not all housing built during soviet times was standardized and "Khrushchevka" was just a series of templates built during a specific period, there are other types as well.

>>510015866
>Commieblocks also suck because you generally don't have balconies
>generally
I think I've seen one commieblock apartment without a balcony. What are you using as a reference?

>>510013858
A jeet doubting what I say only reinforces my statement.

Its no longer affordable in Singapore.
And our public transport has been having recurring breakdowns since 2012

>>510016617
>What are you using as a reference?
My own country.
Perhaps commieblocks are different in Europe/soviet Europe.

>>510016858
Interesting. Most commieblock apartments here have a balcony (some are tiny and barely usable for anything more than drying laundry), some apartments (pic related) have 2 balconies.

>>509993051 (OP)
if there is a problem it is always other people
neighbours

>it's an upstairs neighbour's dogs start going apeshit while the next door neighbour's wife gets into a loud argument with her husband and starts breaking dishes at 2 am episode

what are your favorite commieblock kinos bros?

>>509993051 (OP)
I don’t want to live in one. I don’t trust the owners, public or private, to maintain them properly. I don’t believe rent controls work. They’re ugly so if the attempt is made to make them abundant and cheap they become an eyesore. I don’t trust the people who would support more of them being built to not also be commie shitballs that apart want to FORCE the end of person transportation and severely limit the occupants ability to travel

>>509993096
Better than Section 8 that replaced it. Cheaper for the taxpayers, and didn't degrade neighborhoods that did nothing to deserve the "enrichment".

It also created a useful incentive to better yourself and get out of the projects. Wish Section 8, they put you in a nice area, that you ruin a little by your very presence, and let you keep getting vouchers forever without improving.

If the people let their buildings run down, they live in run-down buildings, and it's nobody else's problem. Seems fair to me.

>>510017925
That's fine, as long as you can pay market rate to live somewhere else, you are entitled to that preference.