Inflation comes from too much money in circulation, but people do not have higher wages, every Currency printed is immediately hoarded by the Rich, keeping it out of circulation.

The main problem is unproductive people consuming but not producing, damaging supply and demand. We need to put these people in work camps with minimum food/water until they can be transformed into fertilizer, solving unemployment, overpopulation and the supply and demand chain.

>>510003334 (OP)
The rich do not work anon.

They invest.

>>510003334 (OP)
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>510003334 (OP)
When economists say a small amount of inflation is good, what they mean is that it stops you from being comfortable, and gives you a better output as a slave.
An economist said something very profound when I understood the sentiment. "What's the value of money" and "what's the meaning of life" reduce down to the same questions. You can trade money for anything, and that's its value. The idea that a small amount of inflation is good neglects the idea that just not making money wins out at some point.

The rich decided this is society's best course of action and lobbied for it.
I stand with the most productive people in the world and their decision to cull the middle class.

>>510003334 (OP)
4th Reich when?
>>510000000

>>510003334 (OP)
Reminds me of...

>>510003334 (OP)
Classical supply-demand equilibrium shows price vs. quantity, not overall price level changes. Interest rates are arbitrarily set by central planners (not “market forces”) precisely to cause or prevent inflation, proving this is a policy-engineered phenomenon, not lazy people. If it was lazy people responsible for inflation, we wouldn’t see hyperinflation in nations with high productivity but reckless monetary policy. Unless you're saying that during the Weimar republic that germans were lazy?

Flooding markets with money doesn’t equally lift all industries. It creates bubbles in assets while wage growth stagnates. Don't blame the folks working the mills or the wastrels for the problems kikes create.

>>510003334 (OP)
>people do not have higher [nominal] wages
Objectively wrong

>>510003797
That is not what economists say. The reason economists say a small level inflation is good is because it provides more flexibility for a bond market.
Suppose the supply and demand curve for bonds intersect at an interest rate below 0%. A bond for a negative rate makes no sense, as the buyer would just hold onto their currency instead. With inflation, you raise interest rates artificially which provides a new low for effective interest rates.
Don't know why I bothered typing this up, /pol/ will just go on repeating nonsense to itself.

>>510005477
You're completely missing the forest for the trees with your comments. Why is it good that money circulates? Why is it good that people invest money?

>>510005901
Because they take risks which is not inherently good. I'd take a stable and stagnant economy over a volatile but growing one because the latter will crash one day

is inflation always bad?
China manipulates its currency for its benefit. Thailand could too maybe.

>>510006011
I'm glad someone got what I'm getting at.
People would say that a stable quiet life of 90 years beats a life of cocaine and partying that ends before 30. Still, they have a completely opposite take about the economy.

>>510005901
I'm not missing a damn thing, you made a false statement and ought to show some humility about it.
>Why is it good that money circulates?
It isn't inherently good.
>Why is it good that people invest money?
The purpose of acquiring wealth is fund consumption. Investment can increase productivity, which allows for higher levels of consumption.
I'm preemptively rolling my eyes for whoever decides to start lecturing on consumer culture.

>>510006296
Inflation derives from currency production. Currency production is theft from money holders/owners, just like taxation. The created money is transferred to bond holders (large financial institutions), so it's a redistribution from workers to jews.

the us is a special case really because now its not the money printers causing the inflation is dollars flowing back to shore from a petrodollar scheme and such.

>>510003334 (OP)
t. NEET

>>510003451
If we're talking about normal companies where you invest thousands or millions of euros and the company uses that money to buy let's say, a laser. Investor contributes to increasing production or reducing its costs.

>>510006424
I'm plenty humble, you're not. There's nothing inherently false about what I said, and you're already hitting a wall with that. You're an angry insecure person that can't handle the fact that someone can have a different perspective than you.

>>510006424
Well say thailand. Youd want a weaker currency to boost tourism and if corruption is carefully managed(hard) then it could go to this or that. Maybe build up the poorer regions a bit...

>>510006751
>I'm plenty humble
You're a moron who can't accept correction.
>There's nothing inherently false about what I said
>When economists say a small amount of inflation is good, what they mean is that it stops you from being comfortable, and gives you a better output as a slave
This is false. I explained what economists actually say, because I have a clue on the topic and you do not.

>>510006754
>Youd want a weaker currency to boost tourism
A weaker currency does encourage tourism, but it also means you get less in exchange. Having a weak currency is the same as charging a lower price.

>>510003334 (OP)
>unproductive people consuming but not producing
Do you have the foggiest understand of economics? Consumers pay the wages of the producers. Without consumers, nobody's gonna buy what you produce, and you won't get paid jack shit.

>>510003334 (OP)
You are wrong.
"In economics, inflation is an increase in the average price of goods and services in terms of money."
Printing money may or may not cause of inflation. And there are other causes of inflation.

>>510006956
>you get less in exchange
Only for foreign-sourced goods. Currency devaluation doesn't directly drive up prices of domestic goods and services.

>>510007032
well itd also boost exports too

>>510003334 (OP)
The problem is, there isn't ANY MONEY in circulation, we all use currency to buy stuff. Fiat currency can be inflated by adding a zero or printing off a few billion more paper fiat currency notes. When using silver or gold, you use the weight of the silver or gold to determine the price.

A pint of milk is worth 1 pound of gold for example; you can't easily print or inflate the supply of gold, but you can perhaps store it in a bank and then the bank gives you a note to redeem the gold; however the bank then hands out 5 notes demanding the same gold (fractional reserve banking) and you have the same inflation problem once more.

Economists, central banks and governments love fiat because inflation lets them distort the economy in ways that suit their needs; if there is a war for example they can quickly print a few billion £ to inflate the supply of currency, use that to purchase military arms and pull the economy towards producing military arms - it might not be what the people want but they can do it, this inflation is a 'silent tax' on the masses because it will eventually have everyone making military arms to get the cheap money printed by the central bank.

>>510003334 (OP)
>every Currency printed is immediately hoarded by the Rich
The rich don't hoard currency

>>510007125
*cheap money being currency, the central bank will have long outlawed using money (gold/silver) in favour of using their fiat currency, the central bank will keep the gold in their vaults to buy goods on the international market but leave you with nothing but fiat currency to play with.

>>510006956
I concede that those words are rarely a direct quote from an economist. On the other hand, I think you're a pretty dense individual if that's your interpretation. You're taking a vague prickly "X because Y" statement that utilizes flowery expressions and it makes you angry. If you had a bit more humility, you might realize that I also might know what I'm talking about. Your "correction" isn't exactly a correction and you're too arrogant to realize how unconvincing you are.

>>510003334 (OP)
The first word is nothing but retired/passive income baby boomers pissing away cash. You're struggling to pay rent while boomers are fretting about how fast they can buy more houses at record high prices. That's why everything is insanely expensive.
We're just wage slaves making a comfy retirement for boomers before GDP/finance pyramid scams collapse. And no, none of them care if you get crushed under the weight of the inflation they cause.

>>510007032
Right, the whole question revolves around exchange of goods between countries. Having a weak currency means you give up more work for less in exchange.

>>510007125
>create money and distribute it via the financial system
>people bust ass producing real-world goods and services for the money you just created and distributed through bank loans
>GDP grows along with inflation
>prices also grow, because everyone has to pay the bank Jew for the privilege of using the money that was just created
>everyone competes for a raise in pay that outpaces inflation, thus increasing productivity
This is Keynesian economics in a nutshell. It's all about mass manipulation. And it's why we see so many threads hating on men who are checked out of the workforce. By doing so, we reduce growth and thus threaten the whole foundation of Keynesian economics (which is reliant on everyone "freely" doing what they're supposed to do)

>>510006707
Ideally, yes. Practically speaking, they put their money into Mortgage Backed Securities to the point the Policy is more valuable than the Mortgages that back it.

The 2008 financial crisis proved to me the Rich can not be trusted to invest wisely anymore. The fact that they were bailed out proved that they'll never suffer consequences for their idiocy

>>510007326
then why the fuck did trump start this little trade war

>>510007705
He's an orange fucking retard

>>510007739
well yes but besides that. He's got to have some semblance of logic in that tiny brain of his.

>>510007882
I see it as an emotional reaction that never quite left his system. He's fighting a war that was prescient when he was a young lad in the 80s. He's trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube when it has been pouring out for 40 years. I think it's memories and emotions rather than any sound logic.

>>510003334 (OP)
inflation is artificial
housing market is inflated
job market crisis is artificial
and they keep people busy with stupid shit like cultural wars or even concerts and such.

>>510007681
>The 2008 financial crisis proved to me the Rich can not be trusted to invest wisely anymore
After all it was only because of the banks' greed. Ultimately it was the US that decided which banks to save.

>>510007882
Well let's be generous here then. China attracts all the capital by making its people work for a pittance. Getting that capital back may be in our interests in some ways. But realistically that's not going to happen, and to the extent that industry does reshore it's going to be super vulnerable because it's built on the fake/arbitrary competitive advantage of tariffs. As soon as somebody (e.g. next Democrat) gets rid of the tariffs, that advantage evaporates along with the industry.

>>510007739
the problem with trumps plan is you cant half ass it. Are you a liberal democracy or a managed state capitalist like china. Well youre not the latter so.

>>510008111
That depends on which parts you half ass. He could easily be half the ass if he did less.

>>510003334 (OP)
>every Currency printed is immediately hoarded by the Rich
>the main problem is [something else]

OP went retarded in his own OP.

>>510008728
Theres the option of just slowly paying back the debt and just leaving the world stage as it was and thats it i suppose.

>>510003334 (OP)
>Currency printed is immediately hoarded by the Rich
is it? Prove it.

>>510003334 (OP)
I labored 10 years ago and earned society's promise to deliver goods and services upon redeeming - of equivalent value to the labor that I did a year ago.

There have been efficiencies made in the past 10 years which makes the 10-year-old labor less valuable to society than labor of today.

So maybe inflation can be justified from that angle?

But.. The compounding value that the labor provided 10 years ago pays dividends, amplifies with time. So there should be some value re-added for 10-year-old labor..

Its all very convoluted, this "money" stuff.

>>510009185
>of equivalent value to the labor that I did a year ago.
*that I did 10 years ago

>>510009185
i think what the fed is doing right now is damage control from the dollars being reshored. I dont think theyve been printing. not sure.

>>510003451
Let's take this a bit further
>The rich do not work anon
>Other people work for them (via investments)

Work is a fake value that has been peddled by the wealthy to the poor. Remember, if work were good for you, the rich would leave none for the poor.

The real problem with inflation is that it's money that doesn't actually exist. People whine about governments printing money, but the money is really being printed to back up the fake debt. It's money that exists only in theory.
Like when you put money in a bank with interest. The pile of money you deposited in a bank isn't growing by 1% every year. It's growing imaginary fake money.
When you take out a 50K loan they aren't going in some bank and counting 50K and shipping them to your bank. It's just a number in the database. And then you have interest rates on that 50K so you have to pay back a certain percentage over the 50K that doesn't actually exist.
All of this adds up over time so you have this theoretical fake money in the trillions and banks literally do not have this money. If everyone tries to withdraw their money at once the banks would have nothing to give you. The money has to be printed so they can cover up for all the debt.

The only real way to combat inflation is by outlawing usury. No interest rates on money in any way. No fake theoretical money. If I lend you a dollar, I get a dollar back. If there is any form of interest it should be in the form of something else, a trade of a different thing, like working unpaid hours to pay back for the interest. You can't have the money number just go up in a database.

>>510003334 (OP)
it's pointless to try and educate people on this, because it is an IQ filter
you say "inflation", the cattle only understand "corporate greed". all you need is one (1) good demagogue and suddenly they will be demanding more money printing to fix the damage of the inflation, at which point things will deteriorate even more and they will be demanding even more government counter-measures

venezuela is a good example of how endless the cope can get
>the rich are spiking the prices
>the rich are hoarding goods
>the rich are spreading panic
>the rich are colluding with foreign currency speculators
>the rich are sabotaging domestic production
etc
it's better to just understand that most people are biologically incapable of understanding economics (including most economists) and just install an absolute monarchy instead of trying to make the impossible work

I think the concept of central baking with adjustable inflation rates is fundamentally broken because the method of measuring inflation (changes in the prices of things over time) is simply not accurate and not working. The % of inflation that exists at any moment can't be known, and for that reason, when you try to use government inflation data for anything practical the outcome is invariably nonsense