>be Vienna
>post-WWI housing crisis
>govt: "we should build houses for people lol"
>starts massive public housing project in 1920s
>called "Red Vienna" 'cause socialist policies
>funded by taxing luxury goods and the rich
>actually works

>fast forward to today
>over 60% of population lives in social or subsidized housing
>municipal govt owns ~220,000 apartments
>also subsidizes private developers to build more
>requirements: must include affordable units and stay cheap for decades
>no "poor people ghettos"
>middle class allowed to live in social housing too
>means low segregation and high integration
>rents regulated
>evictions rare
>housing is treated like a right, not an investment

>meanwhile in rest of the world
>sky-high rents
>landlords buying up entire cities
>"why can't we have affordable housing?"
>Vienna: "lmao just build it"

>2025
>trees and bugs have more rights than humans

>>510005936
Crown land means its public land. You could live there

>>510005283 (OP)
Shut the fuck up about my country you retarded turbofaggotnigger.
Its thanks to Kreisky and Vranitzky that we had good 80s and 90s. If you dont know who they are and talk about Austrian history and politics than go fuck yourself.

btw once read an article by a jew who called the "housing offensive" in Austria "its biggest tragedy".
He also talked about ww2. cant make this shit up.

i hope everyone who ruined this country goes to hell

>>510006027
kill yourself jew

>>510005283 (OP)
>Austria solved cheap housing
>post-WWI housing crisis

Vienna was an Imperial administration center that lost a majority of its Empire.
The housing crisis wasn´t real, austrians got kicked out of its former colonies and another important part of vienna was now unemployed.

>housing is treated like a right, not an investment
Yes, but thats an Austria and not a Vienna thing.
If you buy property in Austria you´re not allowed to sell it for 15 years or someshit.
Some fags from there might know from memory how it works.

>>510006254
You can camp as long as you want, you just have to move your tent every 3 weeks. But its not like anyone would enforce these rules in cottage country Ontario

>>510006358
youre as clueless as OP holy shit
anyway i dont have the patience to educate foreigners.
here enjoy our eagle and notice what he holds in his hands (hint: The commies actually stole it from us no kidding)

>>510005283 (OP)
>>means low segregation and high integration
This is code for white genocide

Also, we don't need to build anymore housing and instead demolish most of the shit that's been built and re-wild landscapes.

>>510005283 (OP)
You never been in Vienna?

>>510006536
Bitch, shut the fuck up.

"In Austria, profits from the sale of real estate are generally subject to income tax, regardless of how long the property has been held. The former "speculation period" of 10 years was abolished as of April 1, 2012, and replaced with a system where profits are taxed as regular income. While there are some exemptions, like for properties used as a main residence for a certain period, the general rule is that profits from real estate sales are taxable.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Income Tax on Real Estate Profits:
Since April 1, 2012, any profit from the sale of real estate is generally subject to income tax.
Abolition of Speculation Period:
The old system where profits were only taxed if the property was sold within a 10-year period (the "speculation period") was eliminated.
Tax Rate:
The tax rate on profits from real estate sales is typically 30%.
Exemptions:
There are some exceptions, such as properties that have been used as a main residence for at least two years after acquisition.
Main Residence Exception:
If a property has been your main residence for at least two years before the sale, the profit is exempt from taxation.
Inherited Property:
Inherited property is also generally exempt from this tax.
Real Estate Companies:
Stricter rules apply to "real estate companies" (companies primarily involved in real estate activities) and indirect transfers of property ownership through share deals.
Foreign Ownership:
Foreigners can generally own and sell property in Austria, but there may be specific requirements depending on their nationality.
Land Transfer Tax:
In addition to income tax on profits, there is also a real estate transfer tax (usually 3.5% of the property value) payable by the buyer.
Land Transaction Laws:
Individual Austrian states (Länder) have their own laws regulating land transactions, particularly regarding agricultural and building land."

>>510005283 (OP)
If you can’t see the difference between doing this in Austria and doing this in America you’re retarded

>>510005283 (OP)
>>be Vienna
>>post-WWI
So all you need to do to sort out the shortage of places to live is kill 50% of your population in a meat-grinder trench warfare?
When can we kick this off so that I can get a nice beach house?

>>510006771
You literally quoted the parts that prove you wrong.
Excellent work, thanks.
btw
>Individual Austrian states (Länder) have their own laws regulating land transactions, particularly regarding agricultural and building land."
You might wanna read this part again specifically.
I fucking hate you clueless foreigners.
Fuck off we are full

>>510006480
>jew arguing jew semantics
I know all of this, and so do you because you are a jew shill
Kill yourself.

>>510006830
>The housing projects (Sozialer Wohnbau) started 1920
>HANS, WE ARE ALL DEAD, BUT WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF APARTMENTS

americans really are braindead

>the government saying "we should build housing for people" vs. "I want a house. I will save up and build it".

Kill yourself communist scum.

>>510005283 (OP)
>America should build projects!
LOL, fuck off, retard. We already did that shit, and it's full of nigs.

>>510006969
What do you want to do? Build a chalet in the middle of the woods?

>>510006915
Mabye you´re fucking blind.

>land transactions
We´re talking about apartment buildings here.

If it were up to me I would tax profit from real-estate transactions at 80%.
Fuck playing with properties as if it was flipping cars or the gambling on the stock market.

>Fuck off we are full
I should be saying that to you and the Swiss, you stupid fucking nigger.
You scum are the reason my house in Transylvania is worth 3x what it should be worth, and thats a bad thing for society.

>>510005283 (OP)
>requirements: must include affordable units and stay cheap for decades
Yeah we did that over here too, the result? 200 unit apartment building with 5 units that are under $1500/month

>>510007314
>We´re talking about apartment buildings here.
now google Karl-Heinz Grasser and educate yourself further.

>its actually a romanian with memeflag educating me about austria
i just cant.
>If it were up to me I would tax profit from real-estate transactions at 80%.
surely that cant go wrong

anyway, I like your country, Romanians are actually good people.I mean they would still your wallet but they would risk getting caught doing that if it meant saving your life.

>>510005283 (OP)
LMAO
Housing in Austria is as Muslim infected and segregationist as everywhere else.
It just serves the Muslim community by not exposing them to market competition, and gives them a primitive incentive to vote social democrat and to become a unpleasant and violent force that directly serves the same authority issuing public handouts (the city government), so their voting power and loyalty is like to an employer and their fulfillment objective for that employer is cultural degradation. Nobody actually gets integrated into society. Voting social democrat in austria basically serves as a visa permit, and the housing programs are just a breeding farm for social democrat voter cattle, and a mechanism to make sure exactly for this behavior to flourish, which in turn by now is mostly a conduit for political Islam/balkanisation.


The city will be the ones to: Pamper muslims and give them prefered treatment by lobbying specifically in their favor politically, completely , and pat itself on the back , by shoving into your face pictures of happy muslims doing stuff like ''fixing roads'' or ''cleaning up'' or ''driving the railway'' which are all services managed by the city. I dont know the voting statistics , but i very much doubt that the social democratic party would be holding any relevant seats withhout these incentives or without a migrant population.


It's as failed as it gets, just with a bigger buildup time and easier to propagandise for than banlieus or whatever you fuckin idiot think is a working contrast to call ''bad''.


Want proof? Just go to the social housing projects and take a look. Try to talk to anyone there about anything German or Austrian in German. Meaning ANYTHING, that you can approach with 20euros in your pockets and some interest in the public cultural goods. Such as, works in a museum or a book written by a german author. Good luck OP, and dont get stabbed/threatened.

You're a fucking retard OP
And probably a commie too.

>>510005283 (OP)
Ban all housing smaller than mansions. No more pods.

>>510008481
>It just serves the Muslim community by not exposing them to market competition,
You are a retarded and uneducated memeflag.
if you people cannot even correctly identify the issues with muzzies how are you ever gonna get rid of em.
show your flag coward

>>510008327
Will you worthless shit animals stop buying apartments in Romania?
We kicked you cunts out once, last century, do you want to get kicked out again?

>now google Karl-Heinz Grasser
Only shows me he´s some corrupt politician? what has this to do with anything?

>surely that cant go wrong
It won´t, homes are for living in not playing Hasbro´s Monopoly.

>I mean they would still your wallet
I mean, you´re Austrian, your entire people belong in some ditch if it were up to me.
Some mass grave somewhere.

>anyway, I like your country
Thats good, stay the fuck away from it.
Go piss off the Serbians again.

>>510008936
did an austrian fuck your girl or whats wrong
i dont think you are romanian at all. you dont behave like one. your genetic composition is highly questionable, the memeflag confirms tendency of inauthenthic behaviour.

>>510005283 (OP)
Ok but how do we do that in a way that isn’t so obviously antisemitic?

>>510006111
kreisky the jew chancellor just made massive debt and started importing subhumans as guestworkers
Austria has allways been shit, until 1938 and since 1945

>>510006111
and vranitzky just called everyone a nazi

>>510009173
statistically, there is about a 80% chance you are posting from an apartment that was built by his policies or grew up in one.
>muh debt
its just fiat remember ololololoo

>>510009265
kinda based honestly

>>510008904
You are the degenerate red/green voting scum child of a pair of mongoloid hippie communist retard parents.You just adhom and dont adress the isssue, while blaming buwog for something completely unrelated to the way city sponsored housing works.
What i wrote is correct.
Go to any shit district:
Meaning 11/16/10/21(probably, idk i never go there), and prove me wrong. Meaning: Almost 0 German, and exclusively Muslims/balkanised
Then look at what they mostly vote.
Then look at how the city campains for every brownskin and balkan moron in the most smug and disgustingly offensive fashion imagineable.
but at least you do the average retard viennese commie cope of >muh kreisky!!! , and tell yourself thats a valid austrian stance. You probably think of many cultural goods that are actually austrian and not usable in a contextually anonymous political argument as stupid.

>>510009379
he didn't mean it as term of endearment

>>510005283 (OP)
Let me guess. It looks like this and you don't see anything wrong with that.

>>510009469
>calling muzzies out
>saying you dont understand how they scam the system
>get called green voter
>by a memeflag
im out

>>510009514
Says he understands the way the muzzies cheat the system
Votes red.

Yeah, sorry my dude, but this one is on you.

>>510009089
>did an austrian fuck your girl or whats wrong

Germans create productive enterprises in Romania.. industry, engineering, programming.

And then there´s the worthless Austrians, extractive industries like logging (and buying up illegally harvested wood), ((((insurance)))), the faggots at Porr that can´t build a road worth a shit, the entire privatization of Petrom, vetoes on Schengen membership by your worthless politicians. You subhumans are just balkan tier.
Now your scum shit of a people speculate with housing in Transylvania.

If it were up to me Austrians and the Dutch should be genocided and the places be colonized by Germans from Hamburg.

>I dont think you are romanian at all.
Oh, but I am.

>>510005936
Declare independence, then all that Crown land would belong to the people of Canada. It's that simple.

>>510006480
There's two seasons in Ontario.
>Winter
and
>Pestilence
Both of them suck hairy balls

>>510005283 (OP)
It works in a society that isn't filled with niggers.

>>510009512
no it looks nicer but they are infested with mudshits and niggers

>>510009512
If you're never been to vienna at least go look at it on google maps burgerlander.
This is the largest "Gemeindebau" in Vienna and yes those are swimming pools at the roofs.
>>510009469
There's also "Genossenschaftswohnungen" which you have to pay are refundable one time deposit which generally have less poor immigrants living in them. I live in one and I pay less """rent""" than muricans pay hoa fees.

>>510009793
>>510009089

What I am getting at is that Gypsies are to Romanians what Austrians are to Germans.
Austrians are just Germanic gypsies.

White men don´t buy low and sell high, thats a brownoid activity, they create something whose value is always high.

>>510009514
Also, you still didn't in any way address what i wrote, which remains factual.
It's people like you that refuse to develop any moral stance that are killing the city, and the country for a matter of fact.
>>510009793
>>510009265

ignore this moron. He's in all likelihood just the child of some red/green hippie garbage human trafficking advocates and thoroughly deluded by socialist as well as anti austrian and anti german sentiment, and exactly the demographic participating in the destruction of my country. They never address the completely self serving attitude of their arguments:
It made housing affordable for ''insert low contributing minority here'', hence it did not contribute to the degradation of the very idea and fabric of the work they're supposed to do, but that instead just results in cheap shitty labor and disfigured objects and the people embracing these as good flourishing everywhere, but you still call them workers and not just leeches or disruptions for some reason, and then, voila you get the working mans part, where one generation of so called ''workers'' meaning barely integrated heavily accentedly speaking outsiders, arguing in favor for another and claiming its somehow ''culture'' suddenly, whatever completely worthless garbage they produce, while every single day the city looks more and more like istanbul or zagreb. Hes probably a balkanfag or genuinely brainwashed child of some sp/greenvoter scum.

>>510010255
alterlaa is not a gemeindebau you brainwashed garbage social democrat scum.
Alterlaa was built by a private enterprise.

Here another bird eyes view of a building project actually done by your endeared socialist retard people, and also not in the fucking 80ies too, but the way they build today.
Notice how it looks absolutely fucking dystopian, like everything the city government does?
But good thing you changed your IP adresss on the VPN when calling me a memeflag, like the good well mannered /pesud/ you are

>>510010255
the second shit looks way worse than first shit
half of my family migrated to austria in late 90s and got into those second ones at first and than moved to city center

>>510010910
>But good thing you changed your IP adresss on the VPN when calling me a memeflag, like the good well mannered /pesud/ you are
Glaub was do willst du heisl.

Vienna is a literal hellhole with crying women in the streets, thieving gypsies and crime including drug fueled people swinging switchblades and fake stabbing walls and shitting in alleys and I was only there for two days. Saw the beethoven shit and left. Fuck Vienna.

>>510006111
>Kreisky and Vranitzky
very Germanic names...

>>510009512
>It looks like this and you don't see anything wrong with that.
Austria isn't Eastern Europe so no it wouldn't look like that.

>>510010910
>as anti austrian

"Alles osteraicher sind judaich zigeuner."

Is the phrase correct in German? Haven´t used the language since when I was 12.

>>510011355
They are quintesentially balkan jewish gypsies larping as germanic.

>>510005283 (OP)
Oh yes, because every government in the world will act like Vienna and not just another landlord

>>510011067
>My heckin swimmingpools!!!!! (on the privately owned building)

still doesn't adress a single factual thing i said, and keeps smuggingly living in his socialist fantasy.

I hope you're fond of islam my dude. They don't really adore people who don't share their faith you know, they don't let you feel that yet fully, because they can still use your brainwashed idiot ass to argue in their favor based on your stupid fantasies and misapropriations, with people who want to actually talk sense into you.
(btw, i of course meant to say working mans party not part, and of course in a sarcastic/cynical matter.)

>>510006536
>you are clueless
>eagle
>hand

>>510011616
Kreisky had some Ashkenazi in him almost for sure; I don't know about gypsy stuff though... this is more common in the Balkans, Romania and Hungary.

unsure why the fuck would anyone argue against affordable housing all while typing from their cuck-boxes, world has gone to shit

>>510011249
agreed. Everyone of germanic/austrian inclination looks utterly defeated and demoralised on the street, at least to the degree someone would who just had some kind of awful thing happen in their life, or like some effeminated hipster. You get harrassed by some fucking moron slav/arab on the daily and the living standard in the city is absolutely plummiting.

If you play race guesser on the street its about 80/20 foreign.
Yet people think it's ''austrian culture'' to praise the social democrat governments of the 70ies and 80ies, despite 0 sincerity, usefulness, plausibility, involved in it, or it being in any way factual. These people are actually just deluded and nothing but.

>>510006111
You'd have to go back to being austro-hungary to fix it

>>510005283 (OP)
>you retards won't listen
Keep insulting your audience and keep wondering why nobody supports you.

>>510005283 (OP)
Nigger population percentage?

>>510011942
If the average one of these apartments is 800sqf, that means I have approximately 53,361 times more space than these poor souls.

>>510012261
You have 4 square km of apartments?

>>510012503
Apartments? No. Space? Yes.

>>510012578
Living space, like what an apartment is?

>>510012742
What is "living space?" I mean yeah ot is space that I live in kek. Do you mean like heated sqf?

>>510005283 (OP)
>housing is treated like a right
This is why I'm forced to oppose you.
Rights != entitlements.
Rights => cost to deny, no cost to grant.
Entitlements => cost to grant, no cost to deny.

Trying to redefine the concept of a "right" to refer to weaker concepts is a standard authoritarian tactic to undermine people's rights, so I will automatically oppose anyone who does this. If you want people to be entitled to housing then just say that. I don't have any issue with housing being an entitlement. My stance is free markets for producible goods (food, technology etc) and state planning for non-producible goods (land, natural resources etc).

>>510012848
>living space
>noun
>1. space within a building in which a person or people may live.
>"each of the houses has 74 square metres of living space"
Come on man, I'm the ESL here

>>510009793
>>510011514
calm down schizo memeflag
you have either arab, serb or rus genes the way you behave

>>510012941
>2. Land needed by a group of people to live in
>"urban communities in need of more living space"

You can say what you want about me but I am not dishonest. Kek shameless.

>>510012848
>Do you mean like heated sqf?
>>510012941
cmon this term is made for americans you can decipher what it means.

>>510013190
See in my mind a home is just a place to sleep and (sometimes) eat and shit. What really matters from a space perspective is the outtadoors.

>>510013172
>"urban communities in need of more living space"
Yeah, you're functionally illiterate.

>>510013323
>*Land* needed by a group of people to live in

ChatGPT... define "land" for me. Kek you donut.

>>510013457
No, you're unironically retarded and conflating the concept of lebensraum with living space in context of apartment surface area that you brought up.

>>510005283 (OP)
>NATO flag
you just know it's always the worst lying fucking scum behind that
there are absolutely ghettos here, and only foreigners get social housing at this point

there are some rich people who get ww2 era rents stabilized and if you're a regular person trying to get an apartment on the free market you're getting fucked

>>510013621
I said I have 53,000x more space than them (which is true). Then you seethed and moved the goal posts to "living space". Then I asked what you meant by living space and you quoted one definition of it and shamelessly omitted the second one that referenced land. Then I posted the other definition and you started coping and sperging.

Do I have this about right?

>>510013269
im not here to argue that us to europe space wise is like a different planet.
>>510013621
>apartment surface area
he probably means land he owns and can do alot of shit on if he so desires

>>510013825
Nah you're just retarded 2bh, if anyone's seething it's you, I don't live in an apartment either way

>>510013116
>you have either arab, serb or rus genes the way you behave

The way I behave is consistent with the fact that I want your shithole torn to shreds, and sold off piece by piece to Germany, Italy, Slovenia, and Czechia.
The people can all be stored in salzburgs former salt mines, shoved in the hole, one on top of the other.

>>510014077
>he doesnt deny it
yep
guess some austrian fucked you over or your woman or sth
anyway when are you going back?

>>510011514
>"Alles osteraicher sind judaich zigeuner."
>>510014077
no, its incorrect to the point of being unreadable.
also you very obviously never used german, you just heard some commands and words here and there and try to piece it together phonetically.
yikes

>>510014252
That out of all the people in the thread, it being you to have the audacity to highroad someone for easy attention is interesting.

>>510005283 (OP)
>Italy tried it
Massive crime problems
>USA tried it
Massive crime problems

>>510014479
Bro, I cannot take anyone who says he speaks/spoke german, seethes unctrollably about Austria while not even knowing about Ö seriously.
sry
all romanians I met were actually fun and chill people.
you are deranged.

>>510014141
>>510014252

>the seething begins.
You and the Hungarians should suck French and British cock daily by shoving an entire baguette and eel up your ass for the mere fact that your countries still exist.

>anyway when are you going back?
I haven´t set foot in your shithole besides driving through it out of literal geographic necessity.
The vignette is a robbery btw, like every single jewish thing your country does.

>>510014871
so what are you smuggling to switzerland?

>>510015039
the seething continues

>so what are you smuggling to switzerland?
Austrian corruption and (((lobbying))), romania has too much, swiss need some too.

>>510005936
What an absolute cucked nation. Pathetic.

>>510005283 (OP)
>Austria has higher debt per capita than the US, even though the US spends eleventy-trillion dollars sending Israel cyborg warrior supersoldiers and nuclear attack armadillos every month

This is why most countries aren't doing it, anon.

>>510014808
>you are deranged


he smuggingly conflates with some point about a romanian, while not adressing anything in a factual manner, in both not discussing any topic in detail, nor actually relaying on fact when making a statement.

At least the romanian guy is correct, there's actually lotss of supposedly questionable logging produced by austrian companies in his country, contrary to your fantasy claim about alterlaa being a gemeindebau.

here an easy conversation for you and i promise ill try not to dont you morally for the answer you will give, ill just take it for what it is worth, in relation to the rest of your arguments and try not to get a fit of anger doing so:
Do you appreciate Bier/Soda Zitrone and schnitzel more, or rather Uludag and Ayran with kebab or stupid meat on a stick, on a hot day like today?


I for myself am developing an urge to projectile vomit whenever i see people like you as much as i already have whenever i see another kebab place pop up.

>>510016081
US national debt per capita is literally double the Austrian unless I'm missing something