If Gen Z wasn’t so greedy wanting $.25 and $.50 raises, maybe more boomers would hire them to weld metal over the summer.

When will zoomers stop financially abusing the elderly?

>>510055737 (OP)
Yeah the younger generation has a huge problem with trying to...make more money for their labor.

He's not wrong

the elderly lived in a world were they made $34 an hour doing dishwashing kill yourself

>>510055737 (OP)
>so there I was, paying my employees under the market rate
>you’ll never guess what happened next
What’s wrong with these people?

>boomer-zoomer
inb4 200 replies

>>510055894
don't be so angry

I have been fired from two employers for being depressed I have no sympathy for what an employer thinks and next time it happens im going postal.

>>510055737 (OP)
>those pesky young white males asking for $0.25 raises
I've gotten to the point where i can't tell reality from parody when it comes to boomers.

Late stage Jewish Communism always ends in a two-way shooting range, just be happy the feelings of hatred haven't escalated to violence, which it eventually will in the USA once the people are ready to chase these Jews back home where they belong in Palestine.

>>510055859
>Noooooo I can't pay $.75 more
You don't deserve to have cheap labor. If your business can't pay market wages, then maybe you shouldn't be in business.

>>510055737 (OP)
I make $245,000 a year working from home so i can't relate

>>510055859
Yup.

>>510055915
The exact thing they accuse kids of.
They're entitled.

>>510055937
Elder abuse is a serious subject.

>>510055737 (OP)
Boomers want loyalty, better only hire Mexicans who need sponsorship and can't leave then.

It's INSANE to me that boomers act like they deserve slaves and would rather just hire infinity Mexicunts than make improvements to productivity. Boomers are luddites who hate change. Low wages kill productivity.

>>510055737 (OP)
They had this problem in Asia in the '90's when they first started off shore manufacturing. One manufacturing site would pay the cheap labor of 35 cents an hour until they would all leave and go across the street to get paid by another cheap labor company for 40 cents an hour.
Same shit happening to U.S. now.

>>510055737 (OP)
The fact that he's still talking in 25c pay increases in 2025 tells you everything you need to know about why zoomies are doing what they do.

>>510056056
>Communism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
REAL CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED! WE LIVE UNDER COMMUNIST RULE RIGHT NOW, DONT YOU KNOW COMRADE??? AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>510056060
Switching jobs for 75 cents more an hour is short sighted

>>510055737 (OP)
if you're doing that kind of physical labor and thinking in dollar increments you're not paying enough. .50/hr raise is some 20th century shit, get with the times faggot.

>>510056255
How would you feel if your elderly parents had to pay a tradesman $2 more per day? Are you ok with that type of exploitation?

>>510055737 (OP)
Have they considered paying their workers more? What he's complaining about isn't an unwillingness to work harder, but a need to make more money to survive.

I hate idiot bosses who don't realize some simple things about workers.

If you pay your workers a decent wage and treat them well, they'll stay. Instead, if you nickel and dime them, you'll deal with higher turnover, which is more costly than simply paying them more.

My corpo owned chain but still a wagie in cage job raced to update the pay per step up system at work ahead of CA raising the min-wage .50 cents. So they could throw out near meaningless +.25ish cent raises across the bulk of the step levels, as the floor went up .50c by law.
So in other words everyone past step #1 fell behind... Being it should have at least been a minimum +.50 across the board to match the floor level going up that much. So yeah people will leave for better pay. Most average wage workers can't even cover renting alone now.

>>510055737 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7ztsfT6JcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfpkd6suo9c&t=1234s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8B7emTJcTg

>>510056591
He pays those kids more than enough. Almost minimum wage, probably. If they need more money, they should just work two jobs.
Learn how to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, the American way.

>>510055964
Stop being depressed then. Depression makes you look stupid. Either cheer up or just get it over with and kill yourself.

>>510056255
Go setup a bussiness then genious, there's no way you won't succeed since you'll be the only one functional due to everybody else lacking employees due to le evil boomers, but you won't pay them like slaves, go ahead, I'm sure the fucking boomers are just fixating prices and aren't correlated at all with the market, they should just make up a number that actually meets groceries and rent expenses since they are the ones who can print infinite currency and not the federal government. Fucking idiot can't even secure an employee position but lemme tell you how a business works lmao

>>510056339
Paying 75 cents less than your competition is short sighted.

>>510056591
>Have they considered paying their workers more?
AAAAAA COMMIIIIEEESS YOURE AN ANTISEMITE COMMMIIIIIEEEEE

>>510055737 (OP)
My father left a dispatcher job from a family-owned chemical hauler in 1986 over shit like this. Worked there 3 years and got a $.15 an hour pay increase.

and /pol/ will still get mad when they seem some boomers getting boxed in the nursing home by the colored LOL

>>510055894
get angry

>>510056681
I dont care if you're joking, go back to r/Libertarians

>>510056721
An incredibly jewish response

>>510055737 (OP)
everything costs more now
boomers had about 8 times the purchasing power

>>510056913
jewish response would be sending you to therapy to talk with dr. shekelberg

Everyone over 40 should drop dead

>>510055894
My grandfather was a stock clerk at a hardware store and $60 an hour adjusted.
Boomers should be genocided.

>>510056846
It's called competition, y'know, free market economics.

>>510055737 (OP)
Has he tried not paying them the least he can?

>>510056681
>Almost minimum wage for apprentice tradesmen
Yeah, no. Welding and sheet metal workers would start at $18 USD here, absolute minimum.

>>510056339
The young tend to be thus, this isn't new

>>510055937
In reality these threads are millennials vs gen x'ers

>>510056980
in 20 years time bro
the boomer pop in the US is 50% of the pop
why do you think they are importing so much human garbage?
is to replace boomers
why do you think they stopped propping up niggers and arabs? because they know sooner or later that golem would bite their ass.
So now they changed for a more docile golem: the jeet

>>510055737 (OP)
If they were paying them better than market rate, to retain their workers, then they wouldn't have to worry about losing workers to better offers.
But then their profit margin wouldn't be as high, and they couldn't afford as many vacations. So it's lazy younger people's fault, and not the greedy employer that is trying to pay them as little as they can get away with. lol

Even an entire dollar raise only works out to another 2000 on labor across the ENTIRE year, if they're working 40 a week. Is that fuck head saying they can't absorb that? Their margins are that tight? Because I don't believe it for a second.

>>510055737 (OP)
>wanting to work as hard as they need too in order to stand out and EARN a raise
The gull on those assholes!

>>510055737 (OP)
>white people want to be paid more
oy vey....

>>510057139
They actually lose more money due to higher turnover. It costs thousands of dollars just to train a single employee.

>>510057088
Millennials are not 20 years old since 2019 and the guy in the OP's face is clearly the face of a many in his 60s/70s, you absolute retard.

>>510055894
Get more angry.

>>510056312
Found the jew.

>>510056054
I started a new temp to hire job recently and they told me new hires start below the market rate and can't do overtime until the trial period is up, if they choose to hire full time. I expect that since it ends in about 3 months, they only hired me to fill in gaps as long term employees go on vacation. But business owners really do expect you to just work 2 or 3 jobs, or starve.

>>510055859
He is wrong.
Pay more or hire someone new.
That's business.
Cope and seethe.

>>510055894
Angy.

>>510057247
Ya, but most employers are too retarded to really grasp that. Even if they understand that keeping a slightly more expensive, but experienced worker is more profitable than suffering endless turnover, they'll just stamp their feet and demand the world work in a way that they can pay nothing, but get lots of productivity.

It was the same shit with the work from home crap. Most people were willing to eat slight pay cuts, if it meant they could move to somewhere cheaper, and not have to waste 5+ hours a week on commuting. Countless studies showed better productivity in a WFH environment, endless upside if you had competent managers handling it all. But they schizoed out and rejected the entire thing, because of boomer paranoia about people not working as hard as they could have, with their watchful eye always on them. That, and the commercial real estate market was about to implode, taking their retirement accounts with them.

>>510055737 (OP)
You mean they can't KEEP them retard

>>510057045
18/hr was good in 2019, it's shit now. 40k a year is almost slave wage.

>>510055737 (OP)
>MFW I'm so old I remember when a 50 cent raise was worth a damn

>>510057461
Depends on where you live. I make less than that, own a house, a car, etc. My wife does make slightly more than me, though.

>>510057127
The USA has 340 million people and there are only 67 million boomers, you retarded faggot. This entire board heavily overestimates how many fucking boomers there are.

>>510055737 (OP)
And where did they learn that behavior Mr. Martin ?

>>510056817
>just make a business bro
Everything in America works on how much the jewish bank is willing to loan out to you.
If you're below the age of 35, they're not giving you shit because they view younger people as a risk, especially if you're American

Example
My Mom is 55
She had 2 bankruptcies
She immediately got credit up to 50,000 when she applied to our regular bank

Example 2
Some fucking jeet immigrant who doesn't even have a SS# goes into capital one bank and they give him 10k in credit right away, no questions asked

Example 3, Me at 28 year old with a credit score of 740
>Sorry goy that best we can do is give you 3k, you just don't have enough credit history, try again in a year
Meanwhile I've been getting nearly $2k taken out of my monthly check for all the shit taxes I have to pay to the state and government

This entire jewish fucking system is meant to punish young white Americans who pay the most in taxes
You don't know how fucking miserable this country is

>>510055737 (OP)
Theirs no loyalty in construction, I quit on my uncle for half day Fridays and a 8:30 start instead of 8am.

>>510057581
In all fairness, some credit card companies are just cheap. My credit score is 830 and I could only get a $5k limit on my Apple credit card. It wasn’t even enough to buy my MacBook Pro.

>>510055737 (OP)
>THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID ENOUGH!
>THEY'RE GETTING PAID MORE THAN ENOUGH!
what is actually happening here? is the value of the dollar just that fucked?

>>510057581
>My Mom is 55
>She had 2 bankruptcies
>She immediately got credit up to 50,000 when she applied to our regular bank
Millennials will NEVER see this kind of treatment at that age

>>510057560
try again dumb faggot
you dont even know your own country

>>510055737 (OP)
They created a culture where the only way to get a raise is to either go to a new company or threaten to go to a new company.

>>510055737 (OP)
>debase the currency for multiple decades
>mad that people are participating in the labor market with capitalist intent

small business owners are such fucking babies

>>510057748
It's rent. If everyone's rent has halved, people would have plenty of money.

>>510055894
U mad yt boi?

>>510055858
what kind of negotiating skills do you have.

>>510056339
It really isn't

>B-but I would have paid you $1.00 soon
Probably not

>But you're not earning much more
$120 a month or $1440 a year more. That's a lot of money when you're poor

>But it isn't worth the time
Time isn't worth as much when you're poor

>>510055737 (OP)
marx was right, these boomer fucks are unbelievable

>>510057952
you should be too nigger boy

>>510055737 (OP)
>worker goes where hes paid more
>this is why we need beaners
jesus christ someone break this boomer fucks knees already (metaphorically)

>>510056370
My dad can fill his swimming pool with money if he wants and my mother is a retarded hillbilly who I only show respect to and support out of social obligations all of my siblings have since abandoned since she's a retarded hillbilly.

>>510057918
and why is rent so high?

>>510056339
Raises aren’t given out often enough to combat the cost of living increases.
You can’t be stable and loyal to a company, it’s one or the other. That 1.5k/ yr raise they’re leaving for isn’t even keeping up with inflation. Not sure why so many people pretend they’re greedy for wanting to make a third of what boomers made.

I used to work for road ride assistance as a programmer. We had 20% inflation around then and they asked me to take over a lead position. So I said sure, how much more does it pay? Well you can guess the answer, so I declined. Then their annual membership fee came in the mail, so I compared it to last year's one, and saw that they raised it by 10%. So I asked them, I want a 10% increase on my pay, to which they replied that they couldn't do that. When I confronted them with the membership fee they fired me.

>>510057729
They give out the most credit to people they know who cannot pay it back. If you have the ability to pay it back, you're actually viewed as a risk

What Jeets and Spics do is take out a Lease on a Tesla or Ford the moment they touch American ground, knowing they can't afford this shit, then companies see that as Collateral even though said 3rd worlder will never be able to actually pay off any of the luxuries they get on lease, and hand them out credit like sugar cookies.
When in 5 years they're so deep underwater in debt that they'll never get out, they either fuck off from the country or just let themselves get repossessed and start anew
The credit card company can than write off their debt to the federal government and now Good Goyim like me or you have to take responsibility for this debt
Then when it balloons too big, they beg the government to bail them out, and it does with a gleeful smile on the boomers face as he gives a big thumbs up as he retards the dollar ever further

What a great system.
Everybody wins
Except for (You)

>>510057748
He's bitching about the difference of like $20/day per head.

>>510056339
you are retarded

you don't get raises anymore other than an annual 2 or 5 percent. to get raises to keep up with inflation and prices you're basically forced to leave jobs every couple years max

>>510057843
isn't more than half of gen x 50+ already? this doesn't make sense to me

>>510057918
>rent
rent really does just keep climbing it seems

>>510057843
The youngest boomer is 61.

>>510058372
>GROK IS THIS TRUE!!!?!?!?!?!!

haha you dumb fuck

>>510058511
>Says the retarded zoomer who thought baby boomers were only 50 years old

>>510057999
>what kind of negotiating skills do you have.
A "business owner" is complaining about a quarter raise. That's an annual inflation increase for someone making federal minimum wage. Any other wage is losing buying power by getting stiffed with a quarter dollar raise. You don't negotiate in bad faith and expect people to negotiate.

>>510058631
>GROK IS THIS TRUEUEUEUEUUE!?!?!?!

get a grip faggot nowadays everyone 50 up is considered a boomer
fuck off delulu mutt

>>510055737 (OP)
Boomers & Gen X, stop being greedy.

>>510058774
But anon, boomer means "uses the Portugal flag" this week. Everybody agrees with me.

>>510058917

>>510056980
i'll kill you and eat your children for breakfast you cocksucking little faggot

>>510057843
>cannot tell the difference between baby boomers in their 60s/70s, ancientfags in their 80s+ and gen xers in their 50s
>does not compute the difference between solid number like 67 million and percentages like "50%"
>does not realize 123/340=/=50%

>>510059158
calm down boomy

>>510056121
but what if you could make $250,000.75?

>>510059197
co0l for you
but you still wrong tho
seeth, cope and dilate

>>510055737 (OP)
>They work too hard to get a raise

KEK enjoy your lawsuits from shitty illegal migrant welds

>>510056121
Believe me when I say I’m pretty sure your job shouldn’t exist

>>510055858
>>510055737 (OP)
>A problem of working hard to stand out to get a raise
That's literally how it's always worked, everywhere except Walmart, for all of history

>>510055737 (OP)
Yeah, it's almost like they know their wages have been artificially stifled for at least a decade by tightass employers solely hiring illegal immigrants and they're trying to do something about it
Weird

>>510059158
Go pull weeds and watch Fox News grandpa

>complaining about workers wanting 25 cent wages
Boomer still thinks it's 1970.

>>510058177
>My dad's a good guy because he has lots of money
>I hate my mom because she's content enjoying life instead of chasing after money, God what a retard

>>510055894
You are right to be angry.

>>510058774
>everyone 50 up is considered a boomer
Oh so you are some kind of gen x defense force. GXDF?

Also, >>510057127
>in 20 years time bro
Someone who is 50 today will likely still be alive 20 years from now.

>>510059537
Based knower anon

>>510055858
Seriously, boomers/shareholders seem to be under the delusion that they're the only humans that are allowed to care about their own financial gains and somehow they're immune to paying for anything at all or paying anyone to do anything for them.

>>510055737 (OP)
Lol what a pathetic piece of shit

>>510056312
Oy vey!

>>510055737 (OP)
Are there really retards that "jump ship" for 25 cents?
I can't believe this lol

>>510059446
>Yeah, it's almost like they know their wages have been artificially stifled for at least a decade by tightass employers solely hiring illegal immigrants and they're trying to do something about it
>Weird
Several decades. If we had boomer level buying power, it would mean federal minimum wage shot up to about $50/hr. 50 an hour to sweep the parking lot. To wipe down the food tray. Not in cities, but in towns surrounded by corn fields. Fucking $50/hr.

>>510055964
Yeah, don't give a shit about employers, I stopped caring about mine and just do whatever the fuck I want on the job now. I learned after years, they need me more than I need them because we're a labor company and they're making money off me simply being on the job site. It doesn't matter how hard I work or not, they're charging the client for my prescene there so I'll just chill out.

My employer fucked me over in so many ways, from work place injuries to psychological torture and a hostile work environment with niggers and worthless tweakers everywhere....

My work ethic evaporated into nothing. I don't care about getting the job done. I care about signing in and out and and getting the paycheck.

>>510055737 (OP)
>Hire only young men to keep wages low.
>Keep worker rotation high so the workers have no future in the company.
>Act surprised when they have no loyalty for your working place.

Funny thing is he wouldn't even need to pay them that high of a salary, as long as he guarantees them a full-time job with a long term contract. Because steady pay is better than sporadic pay when you try to get a mortgage.

>>510059767
>Are there really retards that "jump ship" for 25 cents?
>I can't believe this lol
Why stay when rent is going up more than your wage?

>Reddit spacing
>Twitter screencap
Was 4chan always the furthest downstream from all the other social media?

>>510059863
>they need me more than I need them because we're a labor company and they're making money off me simply being on the job site. It doesn't matter how hard I work or not, they're charging the client for my prescene
can you explain this job in more detail? I dont get it but it sounds great

>>510057952
Bitch nigga all you are

>>510059517
They really do, they never adjust their model of reality in real time. Everything became a big blur in their drunken memory. They don't seem to notice inflation happens.

>>510056339
Not if he's only paying them $15/hour. That's a 5% raise

>>510055737 (OP)
>we hire white kids for minimum wage and wonder why they leave

nothing less than 42 an hour, if a nurse gets more money than I do, you aren't paying me enough to do welding or fabrication.

>>510059983
I'm a Stagehand. I'm a construction-bitch for the entertainment industry, where I have to do all the physical, hard core manual labor so everyone else doesn't have to die over it, but kill me over it instead.

>>510055894
Anger by itself does nothing, you should turn that anger into motivation, and that motivation into actions

>>510060082
>Not if he's only paying them $15/hour. That's a 5% raise
He needs to do that every two years to keep his current lifestyle. Every year if he wants to get raises that outpace rent.

>>510060162
>Anger by itself does nothing, you should turn that anger into motivation, and that motivation into actions
I wonder if statements like that influenced Ted Kaczynski.

>>510060124
You have to stop letting other people treat you like this

>>510056842
These retards jump ship without even bothering to ask for a raise.

>>510056255
they are literally brain dead from lead poisoning

>>510059767
Did your mommy and daddy leave you money when they died? Good for you faggot

>>510056339
the company you're working for is never giving you a raise. that era is over. they would also discard you without a second thought if you inconvenience them even just a bit.

>>510060422
>These retards jump ship without even bothering to ask for a raise.
If they leave over a quarter, the boss isn't interested in keeping any of them.

>>510055894
I understand you're Kenneth Anger.

>>510060211
>>510060082
i love motherfuckers that ask me this shit. "are you really going to leave because they'll pay you $2,000 more a year?" hell yes I am you cunt fuck. are you really going to lose me because you won' pay me $2,000 more a year?? if it's insignificant, let's talk raises. fucking disingenuous scumbag niggers.

>>510055737 (OP)
the problem is the market has been destroyed. Work has no value now compared to the 80% of the country with fake State subsidized jobs propped up by wagies taxes and money printing. Wagies literally cannot compete for basic food and shelter with all the parasites.

>>510060403
That's the plan right now, but I need a different source of income to replace it with and so far, no one is offering this to me. Once I get a shitty job, I'm like stuck there because a better job won't look at my application or resume or give me an interview.

It's hell on earth.

>>510056993
gotta love it. I entered the workforce about 15yrs ago when a 6 figure salary was considered a good middle class income. For the first time In my life I'm about to break the 100k mark, with overtime of course. So outta curiosity I looked up what I'd have to make now for the equivalent 100k 15 years ago. It's 150k, and that's with the bullshit 'CPI' padding to make it seem not as bad as it really is. Union had to fight tooth and nail over months to even get something close to the past 4yrs of inflation. Boss is a cheap fuck too and won't give out raises to good employees even though its not even his money.

>>510060580
>"are you really going to leave because they'll pay you $2,000 more a year?"
Because of inflation, it's more like
>Are you really going to leave because they are going to pay you just enough to keep your current lifestyle instead of staying and affording less?

>>510055951
anger is totally normal for a healthy adult male. i'd go as far to say that a grown man who isn't angered by things is most likely a total wimp due to him deciding he'd rather pretend things don't bother him to avoid having to prove his place in the world wasn't given to him. it's part of the feminization of men born after 1990

>>510060580
Right? Forsooth, it's like they get angry at other people wanting money... because they're the only people who are allowed to want more money!

>>510060329
And we still talk about him today thanks to his actions, the famous phrase about industrial society would have remained as schizo babbling but teds actions elevated it to powerful words

Let your blind rage mellow, let it sit, ponder on the anger, let it mature into well thought calculated hate, and let it be what drives you into action. Just do not let it control you

>>510055737 (OP)
>i will only pay just under the bare minimum whites will put up with

well yeh? employers are cunts we knew this

>>510057045
>18 USD here, absolute minimum.
Corporate cuck. That's what Tim Hortons should start at.

>>510057299
I denounce the Talmud, YOU are the cuckold clamoring to give more wealth and power to your kind and out of the hands of young men who work.

>>510059753
See >>510061223

We notice you. You're not fooling anyone anymore with that trick.

there is no doubt that niggers and jeets who eat shit and live in a box and smell and do crimes and are illegal will be happy with whatever they get form anyone becau ethey are poor

the point of hiring non-disgusting criminal pakis is to have staff that are not crinimal disgusting pakis aka white people who you have to pay more

>>510056339

It may or may not be depending on the situation.

>>510057045
>$18 USD
thats fucking peanuts , like half our minimum wage here for jobs like janitor in a hospital

i've worked for many like this. literal boomers who say
>i should be able to pay you what i want
>free market capitalism is the only thing that works
but don't invest in their business, don't watch the local markets, usually buy the cheapest things that will break and need replacing almost immediately,etc... they're kikebrained retards who sit back and reap benefit without contributing much while being the cheapest fuck possible.

>>510055859
He’s definitely wrong. If someone’s willing to pay you more for the same work you’d be braindead to not jump ship. Funny how boomer kikes claim to be “free market” but seethe and shit themselves when their employees capitalize on their market value

>>510056312
so true bestie, crapitalism and the free market is when the government prints money and bails out companies as 'too big to fail' because they're useful to the state's control

Oh wait

>>510061414
AVERAGE salary for UK hospital janitor is like £9 an hour, wtf are you talking about?

You faggots should be thankful for any money you can make
>but i want .25 more
Back in my day we didnt jump around sucking dicks for quarters of a dollar

>>510061806
the minimum wage in the uk is £12.21 you cretinous faglord

>wah wah i should be a millionaire
Millenials are subhuman. Most entitled shiterstion yet

>>510061528
It’s free market for me but not for thee. They think they should be able to underpay their employees without getting outbid by the competition

>>510055737 (OP)
>wtf do you mean I have to pay a wage the market sets?

Its called EARNing gour money you lazy fucks

>>510061815
>>510062332
I'm not thankful for money nor will I ever be thankful for the central banking empires which have surfaced in nations across the world.
Nor will I be thankful the medical empire which serves as unelected, totalitarian, tyrannical authority.
No, I'm not thankful for the wars which promised peace and delivered lies and broken families.
No, no thanks for you faggot.
The banks didn't earn their position in life.
They kill for it.

>>510061947
>muh minimum wage
£9 is the real rate based on what they get a year on average. Even if it was £12 your original comment still doesn't make sense retard

>>510055737 (OP)
Boomers had such a luxurious level of comfort & wealth that they never even bothered looking elsewhere for better wages. I keep being surprised by new little facts about their lives.

>>510058178
AirBNBs, and boomer/corpo price fixing.

>>510062392
>£9 is the real rate based on what they get a year on average.

you cant get LESS than minimum wage wtf are you talking about?

>>510055737 (OP)
>then they come back to us wanting .50 cents
And they'll get it too, and that's why they do it

it's a market problem you fat boomer faggot. so tired of these people paying dogshit and wondering why people job hop.

>>510055737 (OP)
you compete against asians that are brought in by the millions to undercut market prices and ourright take jobs away from the $25 pay raises they're suppoesd to be getting if the otehr enver existed at all.

it's a type of populus warfare you keep falling victim too,

>>510056993
Remember my dad telling me he was earning $10 an hour doing casual factory packing work while at uni in the 80s, that's like $50 an hour today.

>>510062459
the median wage in 1973 was 6k per year and the median home price was 12k. You could buy a home and own it outright with 2 years gross wages. Things like 30 year fixed rate mortgages didn't exist because there was not need for them. In fact all these financial instruments only came into to being as a way of masking the absolutely insane drop in purchasing power, while simultaenously milking a more money out of the younger generations through usury. Boomers were making the equivalent of mid 6 figure wages at their first job.

>>510055737 (OP)
Every boomer I know tells me the easiest way to get promoted is to leave and then come back.

>>510057999
retard

>>510062744
>$50
You lazy shits just make this up
>BuT iNfLaTiOn
Translates to
>i want to be a millionaire and do fuck all to earn it

Isn't this what they wanted? A cutthroat meritocracy of free market capitalism? The guy in the OP is acting like he wants loyalty and self-sacrifice or something, why would anyone do that in a system of atomized rationally self-interested individuals? Of course they're going to jump ship as soon as your deal isn't in mutual best benefit, isn't that what you would do?

>>510062978
We're not talking about what boomers would do, we're talking about lazy selfish entitled millenials

>>510055894
still do

>>510057581
>>510058239
Honestly there's so much money in credit cards that they can afford to just absorb the losses due to the wins on all the people who carry balances every month and pay on time. Some places have deep enough pockets to gamble on bad risks like that.

>>510056339
For construction, it absolutely isn't lol

>>510056054
They are 100% parody they are allergic to reality

>>510055737 (OP)
Had a manager claim "those money jobs will fire you for any reason".
Turns out, that cunt fired people anyway.

Keep fighting the good fight, bros.

>>510055858
this right here is truth but /pol/ wont get it...fuck these cheap ass boomers

>>510063202
Be a better employee

> boomer won’t hire his own people just to save 50 cents
You can’t write this shit

nothing makes boomers seethe like zoomers asking for a raise, for whatever reason

>>510063441
Would you give your employees a raise if they asked? This is why you are an employee and not an employer. Fucking stupid kids

>>510059397
He's probably in abritage of some sort.

Just a faggot fucking bloodsucking middle man.

>>510063110
$10 a week?
cheap whore

>>510055737 (OP)
They don't have enough testosterone do a lot of work because boomers are bad at everything(including farming, efficient use of land, and creating nutritious food) while hoarding land and stocks, while suppressing the younger generations with posts like this and expecting their egos to get stroked constantly for walking to school in 10ft of snow when they grew up in post WW2 economy when everyone else's economy was destroyed.

>>510063503
If you don't get a pay raise of at least the rate of inflation every year you are taking a pay cut

>>510063764
>wasting your life blaming boomers
Thats all you children do, blame blame blame. Wah wah wah
How about pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps and making some fucking change.
Crying everytime life is hard isnt going to fix things

>>510055737 (OP)
*They don't have enough testosterone to do a lot of work because Boomers are bad at everything(including farming, efficient use of land, and creating nutritious food) while hoarding land and stocks, while suppressing the younger generations with posts like this and expecting their egos to get stroked constantly for walking to school in 10ft of snow when they grew up in post WW2 economy when everyone else's economy was destroyed.

*Correction for psyslopped text, they do that a lot, psyslop that is. I got acne scars to prove the boomer psyslops.

>>510063926
>waaaaaaah

>>510063503
i would assess the situation for that individual and not bicker like a butthurt loser on my public social media profile. totally unprofessional. not to mention this faggot is just trying to score points with the leftist crowds. hes advocating for the mass-hiring of illegals. so for multiple reasons, its cringe and gay

>>510063664
>$10 a week?
75¢*40 = $30/week
assuming you get 2 wks off, it's $1500/year. your business is shit if you can't afford it.

>>510064080
Shuhbam > you

>>510064232
not an argument

>>510064249
Not an argument

>>510055737 (OP)
Talking in cents should just get your head blown off at this point. Oh $10 a week is too crazy of a raise lol.

I worked at Hollywood Video for $6/hr as a key holder and wanted 6.50 after a while. They gave me 6.15 and acted like it was a huge deal. I had to talk to the regional manager who oversaw four states lol. My response was pooping on stuff because I didn’t clean the bathroom.

>>510060786
I know the anger well, but I hold myself from jumping to act because righteous anger is just a righteous way to make others angry, which is going to eventually make me angry again, so I just let myself be angry and try to work out how to avoid the cause of anger. The angry will keep lashing out at each other while I watch the tragedy/comedy play out, eating my popcorn, plowing my fields, sowing my seeds.

>>510055737 (OP)
"HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR MORE PAY!"
Fucking boomers man. Fuck I'm just at the end of my tether.

>>510055737 (OP)
>>510055858
because there is no reason to be loyal to your job anymore. Pension are no longer a thing, Healthcare is shit, and is not worth stay just for that when another place also has shit healthcare.

There is no reason to stay in a company, when they won't match someone else's offer.

>>510064427
Cry more
Thats all you baby men can do

>>510055964
..............I'm Minecraft anon. In Minecraft.

>>510057431
Indeed, the sole reason why I haven't jumped ship from my job despite the low pay for the field is because it's WFH.

If you aren’t a doctor, you’re screwed.

All the boomers here only hire illegal spics. I never seen a White boomer hire a white kid. LIKE EVER.

>>510064858
doctors and nurses are fucking retarded and will pay me hundreds of dollars an hour to install ceiling fan, fix their garbage disposal, and replace their brake pads. the capable will survive.

>>510055737 (OP)
I don't know why we all just don't agree to kill boomers one weekend. How could they stop us if we all agreed on it?

spiritually jewish demon generation

>>510056617
It's not enough that they should profit. The workers should suffer the humiliation of a low wage and roommates to keep them loyal and humble.

>>510058239
>They give out the most credit to people they know who cannot pay it back. If you have the ability to pay it back, you're actually viewed as a risk
This. There was a brief period for me last year where I was living in my car, and with no income or cash on hand, I was basically living off all my credit, which was a limit of $3800, which hadn't increased despite diligent payments for a decade. It was only when I started to rack up my CC debt and hadn't paid it off in over 3 months, that they "miraculously" found it in their hearts to increase my limit to $7000, where it stands today.

I remember that there actually is an inside term that bankers and financebros use to describe people who responsibly pay off their credit card debts. I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but basically they are viewed as "lemons" in the car world. Can't get nothing from them or for them because they never have interest to pay back. Duds, maybe that's what it was.

>>510060422
How would he know why they quit unless they told him and thus gave him a chance to counter offer, retarded boomers never do though, they rather pay thousands more training new people

>>510064858
if you are a doctor, you're going to have to joe biden your time until someone like Luigi shoots you dead in broad daylight

>>510065182
they are actually retarded. they think they're smart because they're thrown into an environment with big words intended to confuse outsiders but the reality is they're mcdonald's frycooks following the instructions like any other job.

>>510065217
if you can coordinate so many people, all you need to do is stop using the American dollar.
the government will die overnight

>>510065699
funny you mention that, i had a credit card I stopped paying for like 4 months and it was around 900$ bill and suddenly they decided that I qualified for a 2k limit raise. I have been offered maybe 1 of these the entire time I have had and been paying off the card. Might be alife hack to get higher balance limits

>>510055737 (OP)
>They will jump ship for a .25 pay raise

So match them? Are you fucking stupid?

>>510055737 (OP)
That’s the right attitude. You don’t need loyalty unless you’re a partner.

>>510055737 (OP)
>White men know their value, FUCK THEM, I need a new Gibson Custom Allen Collins Signature Firebird VOS with Tom Murphy Aging to hang on the wall at my vacation house in the Florida Keys
My dad's a boomer and I hate that cocksucker like you wouldn't believe. He even fucked over my brother who was running my dad's small business for like 10 years, and after my brother left it went from $5m yearly revenue to bankrupt almost immediately. My father was taking those millions for himself and his brother and paying his own son a relative pittance while not even knowing how to run the company himself.

>>510063896
Wow I didn't think you'd actually advocate murdering boomers.

>>510066006
Boomers lie. Its just what they do. I've never met a boomer who didn't spew nonstop lies I wasn't related to and even then, they still lied as soon as they had something to gain from it, like a favor from me. They just didn't compulsively lie about everything for no reason like random boomers do. Since lying is aggressive behavior, maybe its the lead poisoning, I don't know. I just roll my fucking eyes whenever one brings up vietnam because I know the chances that they're telling the truth is 0.00001% and they're about to tell me their bullshit life story like I'm too young to have seen The Deer Hunter and won't know the script they're feeding me verbatim. Boomers make me so tired man. So tired.

>>510060529
this, employees asking for a raise is them throwing you a bone. It's not A Christmas Story, they're not begging, they're letting you know they already have a better offer but you can save both employer and employee the effort of vacating/filling/training for positions if you just PAY A LITTLE MORE to tip the scales against their new prospect.

>>510066394
It's the same with the world of finance. The lexicon you hear the bullshit artist on CNBC spew is all salesman hype to give the impression "you are too stupid to understand this, so allow our jew broker to handle your money for you". Anyone can learn technical and fundamental stock chart analysis in a month or two simply by hanging out with the right day traders. Besides nobody even cares about chart analysis anymore.... it all comes down to hype and where the money is at any given moment. Traders don't give a single fuck about fundamentals. Today, it's so easy to trade by downloading whatever app. The idiots at CNBC are just shills for whatever the daily pump and dump is going to be mixed with 70% judeo-political commentary.

Kids these days dont know how easy they have it!!!!!
Everyone is just a entitled little snowflake waaah waaah!!!!!!
How bout you try working in a steel mill for 40 years!!!!
but of course they dont have to because the communist liberals will give them everything for free!!!!!
my kids won’t be getting a inheritance they will have to learn to live life the hard way!!!!!!!

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>>510055737 (OP)
op
>likes capitalism see post
>complains about capitalism being used
Very dumb shill post, offer them better or loose your business.

>>510056121
Based. $165k here. Pretty sure I got lost as a cog in the machine.

>>510055737 (OP)
Just pay them properly, you dumb fuck. But oh nosiese, then you can't have the truck, the boat, the mcmansion, the Florida vacation, and all the other things you do to shut up that bitch that you married for vain reasons.

You fucking cunt.
>>510066889
I hope your brother starts his own shit and drives your dad into suicide. Or just something less harsh but fair.

>>510067755
I should simplify it more
It's a capitalist economy compete or close your business.
Imagine bitching about an employee not working for you when you don't work for them, you lazy retards.

>>510062777
>In fact all these financial instruments only came into to being as a way of masking the absolutely insane drop in purchasing power,
Did they mask it or cause it? It seems any essential or semi essential commodity (((seemingly))) gets its pricing restructured to make it so the item is unaffordable, but its monthly payment is. (House, car, phone)

>>510066889
Lemme guess you guys aren't in the will either :^)

honk honk

>>510055737 (OP)
>just work for less pay we will reward your loyalty... by consistenly paying you less than others
cool!

>>510066889
>went from $5m yearly revenue to bankrupt almost immediately.
sucks for you and your bro, super shitty but something i hear a lot in the last few years. boomers literally think owning the business and paying the bills is contributing to the business, and their generous payout is warranted. you deserve a cut for putting your money on the line, no doubt, but not sharing profits is just jewish greed.
>>510067860
cool it with the antisemitism
>>510068030
>vacation house in the Florida Keys
assuming there's anything left in the will

>>510066889
I've heard similar stories so much it just makes me sad. Worked for about a week at a landscaping company when I was a tween. All the equipment was shit and a million years old, pay was shit, working conditions were shit since it catered to rich boomers with 100-1000 thousand acre properties. Revolving door hiring almost exclusively work release prisoners and beaners. It all made sense soon as the shitbag boomer owner pulled up in this brand new hmv looking exactly like your picrel. It was obvious he was taking everything and putting nothing back into the business, I was so disgusted after meeting the guy I walked off the job on the spot.

>>510055737 (OP)
>show me where the zoomer touched you boomie

>>510063503
>Would you give your employees a raise if they asked?
No because I'd already be paying well above (((market rates))) and they would know they have zero bargaining power over me because any other job they could threaten to jump ship to would be a massive pay cut for them.

What I got out of this is the free market works phenomenally at boosting wages to livable levels.

Which is why corporatists and communists want cheap immigrant labor, because high wages interfere with their grift.

>>510056993
at 25 i fell on hard times and lived with my late silent generation grandfather (last of the silent gen, my father was born in 63, i was born in 99). he was 22 years old in 1960 and supported a wife (who didn't work), 3 kids, and a family farm with 10 acres.

He worked 40 hours a week at a bowling alley. He retired in his 50s because of spinal stenosis. He dropped out of highschool.

While I am a veteran, was a firefighter until I ruptured a disc, working fulltime on a degree in biochemistry, while working as the only white man in a chinese resteraunt 30 hours a week.

All he did was shit on me for not making enough money and how successful he was compared to me.

>>510055737 (OP)
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE OUR OWN TRICKS AGAINST US!!!

Short sighted posters itt

>>510055737 (OP)
While other people in my trade argued about whether residential, commercial or industrial was the best, I just learned how to do all of it jobhopping the past few years.

Now I finally found a decent gig with piecework available too so you can actually get paid for how much work you get done. A 1st year at the company busted his ass for a year and a half and bought a house

>>510061414
>give them a chance not your change

>>510055737 (OP)
Ok boomer, enjoy not being able to hire anyone, and the beaners you do hire to be deported.
A series country would be handing out prison sentences to people like this that hire illegals instead of paying the market rate (i.e. living wage) for workers.

>>510066922

>>510067481
just say you hate jews

>>510068030
Boomers don't leave wills behind. It's a well-known fact that Boomers hate their kids and want to leave them with nothing.
So no child of a boomer has any reason to associate with those old nation-wreckers.

>>510061597
REAL CAPITALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!!!!

Can anyone recall ever meeting more than a handful of unselfish boomers in their lifetime?

>>510055737 (OP)
everything out of a boomer's mouth is a fucking lie.
here's what really happened:
>younger worker wants a small raise because the jobsite is below market rates
>boomer decides he won't go above even .75c
>young worker leaves and is probably at a jobsite with higher rates measured in additional dollars not cents
>boomer claims it was over .75c when really thats as far as his boomertard ass would go
Fuck boomers, holy shit.

>>510067613
Good post, but the boomers voted for Kamala in 2024, they're essentially the only demographic in America that did.

>>510057299
>>510059753
>>510061597
STILL waiting for you to denounce the Talmud. I did.

Every single aspect of Capitalism...

>>510069905
>just say you hate jews
Why bother? Everyone hates jews, it's the default position now.

>>510057431

What is that phenomenon called. When you have such delusional levels of entitlement?

>>510055894
Their toasters cost $23, which sounds cheap but adjusted for inflation is $310.66. Are you willing to pay that much for a simple toaster?

>>510063039
Who raised the millennials to be that way?
Turns out a generation that is universally bad at everything they do, like boomers, were shit at raising children too.

>>510070055
Narcism

>>510055894
Calm down gen zcel

>>510066922
I enlisted in the army when I was 17 and ended up doing back to back tours in Iraq at 18-20 (2004-2007). Spent all of it out of the wire, came back with all my fingers and toes, but permanent hearing loss and tinnitus from an IED and fucked up shoulder & neck.
Even today my boomer father won't listen to anything I tell him, he tries to "school me" on what war is. You know what he did? Dropped out of basic training because something allegedly happened to his knee, has called himself a veteran since. Still looks down on me like I'm a child who doesn't know anything about "reality". I'm a fucking combat veteran, a killer.

There's something beyond wrong with all of these fucking people.

>>510055737 (OP)
>won't give raises
>gets butthurt when they find a better job
sounds like a pretty shitty manager to me

Work from home or homework wtf. Just showing up to a jobsite on time is 99% of a jobs responsibilities. Problem is showing up without being on staff is trespassing. Not sure how to hurdle that.

>>510055737 (OP)
Gen z parents were gen x, the ones refusing to pay more. It’s a greed that infects all generations.

>>510069821
>A series country would be handing out prison sentences to people like this that hire illegals
Why is this not already a thing? Its already booked as extremely illegal.

>>510066500
Kek. Same for me using a 10k credit line almost maxed out. So they offered me 15k. It’s a fucking joke. I’m sure they have algorithms on these things because one lady who was struggling to survive complained that they reduced her limit. They basically detected that she was a high risk for defaulting and automatically reduced the limit.


You can’t really beat the banking kikes

>>510070144
>$310.66
im starting to think this inflation doesn't apply anymore to pre-gold standard money...
i don't believe for a fucking second that buying a toaster back then was the equivalent of dropping $300.
we might as well be converting modern money to roman denarius. the conversion means nothing and is arbitrary

>>510070144
If I also get the same 2-5 years of wages house prices then yes I would pay $350 for a toaster

>>510066889
That’s how boomers work

>>510070144
So a dishwasher would only have to put in 45 minutes of work to afford a toaster?
Meanwhile, the top cheap chineseium toaster I could find on Amazon, $43, costs a Millenial two and a half hours of work.

Boomers can't accept that they ruined the nation.

>>510055894
>boomer in 1970 had a median income of $8500
>a house was $23,000
>average income today is about $40k
>a house is $422,000
>average boomer's house was less than 3x his annual salary
>average guy's house today is over 10x his salary
>boomers were making the modern equivalent of $156k ON AVERAGE

>>510070144
that toaster still works tho

>>510055737 (OP)
If they can go elsewhere and get a pay increase without having to deal with a yamaka spinning when they ask for a raise why shouldn't they.

>>510055737 (OP)
He's describing a 20 y/o as a "kid" so he can justify underpaying them.

>>510056339
How so? Raises or internal promotions are no longer a thing.

>You need to EARN the raise!
>Ok, this guy over here offered me one, so I think that means I earned it
>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR ME AND ONLY ME AND GET A RAISE ONLY WHEN I THINK YOU SHOULD NOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!! QUICK, IMPORT 50 MILLION MORE BROWN THIRD WORLDERS AAAAAAAHHHHH NIGGERMAN SAVE ME!!!!!!

>>510061815
back in your day the minimum wage had FAR more than 30 TIMES the buying power it has today you dumb fucking cunt.

Back in the boomers day the minimum wage had over 300% more buying power when you use real inflation rates instead of the bullshit government inflation numbers made to hide how badly we've been screwed.

>>510055737 (OP)
That makes no sense, so it is just another boomer lie.

>>510063039
Suck start a shotgun you fucking nigger

>>510069962
It’s way worse. My mother wants to take all the money and put it in some third world shithole country that plays high interest on savings. She’s hellbent on doing it. The best part is that we can’t pull the money out of said country after she croaks. Won’t invest in stocks in a first world country because that’s LE SCARY, better to put the money in a this world shithole instead. Lmao.

>>510057139
This is the only thing that explains companies that are constantly hiring, conditions are so bad that 7/10 quit after a few weeks but have been there to fill for long term workers vacations. OP itt is living under a fantasy that there's not 10 new desparate workers for any one that quits.

>>510057247
It’s also really bad when you lose a critical mass of institutional knowledge, because unless you had everything meticulously documented, you won’t even know half the shit that needs to be done anymore. This happened at a warehouse I got hired at. They lost almost everyone before me, and now they had unopened equipment laying around they didn’t even know what for. All types of tools and gear and that needed regular servicing, all lost in the mix. All types of accounts and such lost on a computer, no one knows where the source is, the list goes on.

>>510070144
In exchange for houses costing 3 years of a highschool drop out's wage? I would pay fucking triple that you drooling retard.

>>510070144
I have one of those toasters. It's about 50 years old and still works.

>>510057371
Meant to reply to this

>>510059158
>i'll kill you and eat your children
Literally just the meme of Saturn eating his own children, except without irony.
You're going to burn you fucking pig.

>>510070144
Their stoves came with a toasting section

>>510068030
>boomers leaving anything behind
They'll will everything to their old age home and your family heirlooms will he sold at auction for a fraction of their worth, as well as all the garbage memorabilia they collected over the decades.

Why are Zoomers welding? Surely public education couldn't have failed them that horribly.

>>510070663
And that assumes the documentation is known, kept in an accessible place, and is read.

Every boomer job I encountered, Walmart/Target and Supermarkets pay more or have better working conditions.

>>510064028
waaaaaah, self destruct more retard lmao!

>>510055737 (OP)
I wouldn't stick with you either if your benefits package was shit enough to dip over a quarter increase

>510070030

>>510056339
>are you willing to switch jobs for a 75 cent pay increase?
>are you willing to lose a trained worker over a 75 cent pay increase?

>>510055737 (OP)
>wants loyalty
>also wants interchangeable units of production
nigger you can't have both.

>>510070663
>>510070799
Blah blah blah blah, we forgot how to make the foam insulation on our nuclear warheads and had to track down the children of the engineers that originally made it to get their parents records or something.

>>510055894
SAINT ANGER

>>510070144
Yeah because I don't *need* a fucking toaster but I certainly need a house.
Faggot.

Arguments in this thread while not against any logical fallacies are ignoring the basic principle that more money or more people does nothing to effect rising global human desperation, it has an opposite effect due to basic economics of demand vs supply

>>510055737 (OP)
Most blue collar jobs will destroy your body, might not even provide healthcare, you're competing against undocumented immigrants (who your greedy fuck boss employs). When your knees are gone, your job will throw you away. There is no pension. If you're lucky enough to get healthcare insurance that is contingent on your continued employment. There is simply put no reason for someone with the means to do so to enter blue collar work.
If you ever have a health issue you will be completely and totally unable to continue supporting yourself or your family. If we were to actually fairly compensate blue collar workers they would be paid more, not less, than desk workers, as was the case in the USSR, because desk work isn't hard it just requires more education.

>>510069377
The solution is definitely to vote for republicans who block e-verify from passing in Texas so that employers can continue exploiting undocumented migrants, and repeal free school lunches.

>>510061597
Centralizing wealth in the hands of a powerful elite means they will necessarily infiltrate and corrupt the government. There is no way to have a free market or crapitalist society that does not become corrupt. Socialism gets corrupt for similar reasons but at least they state the desire to distribute wealth in a meaningful way rather than moralizing the exploitation of the working class as them being genetically and ideologically inferior to the rich.

That would be "An Essay on the Principle of Population" by Thomas Malthus, published in 1798. He argued that population growth would outpace food production, leading to famine and hardship— a debate that spans centuries and continents

For sake of argument say I'm Elon Musk and I'll give you 25M instead of 0.25 anon. What is stopping you from having a dozen or more sons who, in 25 years, will be asking for 0.25 dollars and then if have to split the 0.25, 12 ways... the only thing stopping you from having a dozen sons in 25 years is me withholding the 0.25 dollars now

>>510070144
34$-23$=11$
40 minutes of work for that toster you fucking retard

Reminder a military filled with foreigners and citizens refusing to work regular jobs because the currency is so debased and living cost is unaffordable is how rome split.

It also led to its downfall. America is literally crumbling weak and has zero future while chinese century is here with prosperity.

It will be interesting to see how america actually splits

>everyone complains about inflation, but they're too stupid to end the federal reserve to stop it

>>510055737 (OP)
The fact that he openly shames the youth of his tribe (as an elder) is so cringe and embarassing. He doesn't realize it's basically him saying he (and his generation) were fuck up failures as parents.

>>510055737 (OP)
>When will zoomers stop financially abusing the elderly?
The elderly started it.

>>510070055
There's no single accurate labels for this.

But one common theme about this so called "boomer" generation is they are the same in almost all countries. They have unrestrained jealousy of the young, unrelentingly corrupt, and like a dragon sitting on mountain of stolen treasures, have unrestrained greed and want nothing short of 10x-50x profits on the initial investments just because they were the only ones around during the boomin' phase.