does this shit work or not?

>>510075999 (OP)
behind the card

out shitskins

They can read English?

>>510075999 (OP)
>non-citizen
>5th amendment right
i could be wrong, but I dont think thats how that works

>>510076133
You could indeed be wrong
>No person
notice it doesnt say 'no citizen'

Non citizens/green card holders are not entitled to protection of the bill of rights and shit

>>510075999 (OP)
why would the constitution apply for a non-citizen, especially a brown one, since the constitution was written by white people for white people

>>510075999 (OP)
>>510076018
This isnt true. Felons dont get a right to guns, and illegals dont get any rights at all. They are - actively in commission of a crime, their entire time in the US. Dont need a warrant, youre committing a crime right now.

Its the difference between being arrested and charged in front of a court, or being shot in the face by a cop legally.

>>510076250
>Non citizens/green card holders are not entitled to protection of the bill of rights and shit
Yes, but they're LEGALLY in the county. If you are ILLEGALLY in the country, the crime has already occured. Foreign invaders aren't granted rights simply because they crossed a line on a map.
This idiotic logic would imply that am invading army has constitutionally protected rights and would be entitled to due process before they could be militarily engaged.

>>510075999 (OP)
because they are not citizens and these laws are not for them.

>>510076450
Even if you are here legally but not as a green card holder you don’t get those rights. Student visa holders or temporary work visas can’t buy guns for example

>be illegal
>quote the law that doesn't apply to you because you're not a citizen of the US
>same law that states you need to go through standard immigration processes
>the law you're not following because you're illegal

>>510075999 (OP)
>>510076018
>being illegally in a country
>having rights of said country
Guess russians are protected by ukraining laws then. Fucking retards never think their bullshit trough.

>>510075999 (OP)

>>510075999 (OP)
>No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
With their red card, did they mean Immigration is a capital crime?

>>510076670
>>510076610
The reasoning is you can't do that to citizens so how do they know you're not a citizen.
If your workplace is mostly illegals but you have a few legals i can see how it's tricky to not violate the rights of the legals that can then sue you even if the illegals just get deported.

>>510076323
I don't know about US law but would the agent not need to be able to prove he knew illegals were there? If they were investigating and didn't know for sure illigals were there would this card not work?

>>510075999 (OP)
You can say "I don't consent to a search" all you want, but that only protects your ability to decline a requested search. If there is probable cause based on observed or evidenced crime in progress, then officers can search your property. They don't need a warrant to search your car or your person, if you're placed under arrest.

And so these cards and the information on them is only valid in the case that an officer of some description is approaching them at their home or in public, to try and ask them questions and coax an admission that they are illegally present in the country. But that's not really how ICE does things. ICE doesn't need to ask, they already know. When they raid a business or a house, they already know who's there and who they're arresting.

Also, illegal migrants do not get a lawyer. You are not being tried with a crime, you are being processed for expedited removal. You are not going before a judge, you are not innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you are being removed. "Due process" is not a single universal thing. The process you are due, is removal.

>>510076018
This card is right but not everywhere.
Near boarders I don't remember how close, border agents and immigration agents can ask for your documents and you have to answer them.

>>510077311
>>510077362

>so how do they know you're not a citizen.
ICE doesn't need to ask. These people have homes, they have parole orders or deferments or court dates. They have SNAP or EBT cards, they have tax ITN numbers, benefits claims, etc. No illegal is just quietly working a cash job and then going to their hidden, off-the-grid house where they lay low and don't use any utilities or cell phones or get any assistance. Every illegal is on SOME sort of welfare.

So ICE already knows that, they're not just swinging in the dark, they know who they're there to pick up.

>>510076323
>Felons dont get a right to guns
Unconstitutional horseshit. Historically, the only crimes by which permanent disarmament was applied were the category of crimes whose punishment was death. It was the norm for well over a century following the founding for jailed criminals to have their weapons confiscated and stored, then returned to them at the end of their sentence. There is no historical justification for preventing free citizens from being able to own or bear arms. If someone is such a threat to the public that they cannot be trusted with the tools of self defense why have they been released at all?

>>510076241
>no person can be deprived of their rights
>THIS MEANS NONCITIZENS HAVE RIGHTS
>no person may be deprived of their car
>THIS MEANS NON-CAR-OWNERS HAVE CARS
uh huh

>>510075999 (OP)
>I don't need a drivers license I'm just traveling
>I can't get charged by an admiralty
>I do not consent to a name
You can shout all sorts of retarded shit at cops that changes nothing desu

>>510075999 (OP)
That doesn't work.
If you're at this point already, you've got warrants out for you.

Also non citizens do not get citizen rights.

>>510076290
Jews successfully made normies n brown people think if you’re in the us you have equal rights as an American. I hate this clown country n its people. Americans were not this dumb 20 years ago.

>>510076018
They're making money off this

>>510076133
That's just legally wrong. Your constitution clearly differentiates in each amendment individually which group of people it applies to. Therefore it either states "each Citizen" obviously meaning every Person with the US Citizenship and "each person" meaning literally every single person. There's even more differentiating, for example in the third amendment, which begins with "no solider". Therefore yes, even illegals are protected by the constitution which makes sense since anyone without any Papers could otherwise be searched without a warrant since they couldn't proof they're a citizen. See it as a kind of safety mechanism against corruption.

>>510076241
This.

>>510076450
Basic constitutional rights would definately apply to an enemy Army, such as your right to not be tortured etc. Many rights would, in the Event of an Attack by a foreign Army, probably overwritten by Martial law, which would be declared immediately after the Attack If not before.

>>510075999 (OP)
It doesn't work, like keeping a birth certificate in your wallet.

>>510075999 (OP)
Because right now ICE is just going over the massive backlog of people they already have in the system. So as most are on some version of parole they don't get 4th and 5th protections.
This is also why the government doesn't give a fuck about giving people short sentences then putting them on extended parole.

>>510076323
>They are - actively in commission of a crime, their entire time in the US. Dont need a warrant, youre committing a crime right now.
That's not completely true. The police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a warrant, or exigent circumstances of harm. It's kinda crazy but it's near to GTA rules of making it home and not being subject to being arrested. Not that an arrest warrant take much effort to get if the police already have probable cause to go to a judge with, or are going to lie about some made up risk they are dealing with.

At this point if they're so commited to not leaving we should just stop beating around the bush and just use them as slaves. Involuntary servitude is still entierly permissible under the 13th ammendment as punishment for crimes and they are all by virtue of being here at all all criminals criminals down to the last man.

>>510075999 (OP)
>unless you have a warrant
Religious decree, signed and in-hand, or not, I still do not ever consent to anything and you're going to have to B&E or fuck right off.

Giving consent at ANY point, even mistakenly not knowing you could have refused, torpedoes your odds of a lottery tier settlement or judgment later.

>>510076241
>No person
When this was written negros weren't considered "people" or "persons." The NON RETARDED constitutional interpretation is that "the people" and "persons" are the citizenry. It only ever was intended to be applied to CITIZEN white men.

>>510080327
Title 42 is fun.

>>510080378
No, otherwise no one would ever visit the USA for any reason because they would have zero legal protections against literally anything that government wanted to do to them.

Also it was mostly to make the difference between the Indian tribes and white people and free blacks. Slaves were property and protected as property of their owners.

"You have Constitutional rights" lol. fucking retards.

>>510080497
>No, otherwise no one would ever visit the USA for any reason
Not only is this take retarded and completely fails to understand the whole point of a modern passport and passport controls system, it also WAS NOT a concern of the Founding Fathers.
Just because you're a retarded faggot who is desperate to have this misinterpreted, it's blatantly obvious that the Founding Fathers drafted the Bill of Rights for Americans. They didn't draft if for the fucking British on holiday. You comically stupid retard.

>>510075999 (OP)
>Muh constitutional rights
not applicable to non-citizens

>>510081764
They clearly divided the constitution to cover different groups of people in different ways. Sometimes using citizen, sometimes people, sometimes everyone/anyone.

The people being protected at the time would be merchant traders visiting at US ports and working with local factors for trading. This point came to a head when the USA government was capturing sailors and enslaving them to work for the US Navy as slaves and was a major factor of the war of 1812.

>>510082848
These people barely have half a grasp of the text itself, let alone the historical context of when and why it was written. Pearls before swine.

>>510075999 (OP)
No because they would be issued a gov id had they entered the US LEGALLY...

The red card is just a spot light for DHS / ICE to identify you as illegal...

Thanks for playing

Democrats are so fucking stupid it's unreal

>>510075999 (OP)
Why would illegals have constitutional rights? The constitution literally starts with "We the people of the United States".
If I enter as a legal tourist I wouldn't expect to be considered as part of the people of the US, so why should it be different if I should enter illegally?