On this day, I just want to remind everyone this man did nothing wrong.

>>510112422 (OP)
Who is this man

Is that Sratko Mladić a guy who wears diapers?

>>510112422 (OP)
>ratko

>>510112600
Ratko Mladić, Serbian war hero!

>>510112600
Commander of army of Bosnian Serbs, Turks and Croaches hate him cause he didn’t let them slaughter Serbs like in WW2.

>>510112422 (OP)
he didn't do anything at all, but he should have

>>510112422 (OP)
why did the dutch let evil serbs rape and kill CHILDREN AND WOMEN?
why didn't the dutch protect those CHILDREN AND WOMEN?

>>510112422 (OP)
being that chubby is wrong.

>>510112422 (OP)
mamicu vam jebem narkomansku

>>510112422 (OP)

>>510113145
That never happened tho. Serbs and Turks didn’t have much interaction, Serbs lived in villages, and Turks in cities. Furthermore most of those were just Slavic converts, not actual Turks.

>>510113311
you're talking to a muslim

>>510113311
so if there was none of that horrible collective trauma, why such outbursts of savagery and primitivism?

>>510112422 (OP)
so did he

>>510113145
>Cohen 1998
>Levinsohn 1994

>>510113562
>Muslims didn’t do evil cartoon shit so that means they didn’t opress people
It’s not 1 or 0 you know.
>>510113571
Nah, that’s a faggy war profiteer who was created by UDBA, Mladić wanted to kill him btw. I’m glad they hyperventilated him. Such scum needs to be eliminated from national genepool.

>>510112422 (OP)
Why did his daughter commit suicide?

Ukrainians like Ratko Mladić

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uii5O5Hpkeg

>>510113571
never mix those two up

Also Arkans band, who were mostly hooligans and/or career criminals, didn’t even fight properly. They just looted shit and slaughtered civilians.

>>510112422 (OP)
I love The Smiths

>>510112422 (OP)
he kinda looks like grandpa a little
interesting
i mss you grandpa

>>510112422 (OP)
the funny thing about balkans conflicts, about all regional conflicts, is that the rest of the world can never tell you fuckers apart yet you all want to rape each other to death and then drink blood out of the skulls

>>510114068
the real funny thing is that you think your opinion should be taken into this matter in the first place

>>510114068
>can never tell you fuckers apart
And? We’re same people, genetically. Particularly Serbs and Muslims, most Muslims are just Serbs who adopted Islam and then rationalised it in 20th century by adopting “Bosniak” identity.
You now have “Bosniaks” in southeastern Montenegro, places that have no connection to Bosnia whatsoever.

>>510114174
this is not balkans autism.org, attracting posters from other countries is an occupational hazard of posting here

>>510113820
I don’t know what to say.

>>510114290
you're free to post, no one has claimed otherwise.

>>510113955
https://youtu.be/JVX5TEWEuGQ
Yes, they are great, but Morrissey is a douche.

>>510113730

I don't think there was any trauma, otherwise why would you collectively binge on turkish soap operas?

>>510114417
There was a lot of trauma about being a third-class citizen in your own country for ~300 years.
Not to mention widespread abuses, particularly towards the end of Ottoman period.

>>510114417
Turkish soap operas are like crack to the grandmas here, I don't get the appeal. A couple of years ago a babushka friend called my mother at two in the morning. "Please, you have this internet, I missed the show and there's a rumor that Ali Beg is dead, please check the internet, I have to know now!" "Bitch, who the fuck is Ali Beg, don't ever call at this hour again unless someone is sick or dead."

>>510114500
women had no political rights anyway, what did they care. probably didn't have anything against some meaty karaboga

>>510114417
>>510114796
My grandma used to watch Indian soap operas back when she was alive. Truly the ancient spirits of the Vedas called her back...

>>510114796
>the babushkas don't know that ali bey comes from the malkočević family
it truly is over...

>>510112422 (OP)
This coward doesn't deserve the dignity of a funeral when he inevitably kicks the bucket in the Hague

>>510112422 (OP)

>balkans slaughtering other balkans
You are correct, OP. We here in the civilized world call this phenomenon, "dog eat dog world"

>>510112422 (OP)
https://youtu.be/2FjgWwuqDvg?list=RD2FjgWwuqDvg
>He did not even post Roki Vulovic

>>510114810
You aren’t from here so you think “Serbs hate Muslims”, we don’t, we don’t like local Muslims. Why? Cause they’re inherently traitorous.
Austrians come? They serve Austrians.
Germans come? They serve Germans.
Croats come? They join ustashas.
Americans come? They suck American dick.
They aren’t loyal to their own people. They even invented a Mickey Mouse identity to distance themselves from us.
They will serve any master as long as he lets them gain some minor advantage over other Serbs.
In 90s they provoked war even tho Serbs bent over backwards to accomodate them prior to war erupting. They were even offered territorially defined Bosnia within Yugoslavia, with separate army commanded by a Muslim. They refused that and just rushed to proclaim “independence” despite not controlling most of Bosnia.

Serbs for example mostly support Palestinians. No one cares they’re Muslim, their cause is just. Years of Israel shilling here did shit.

>>510113145
You shut your mouth,how can you say he went about things the wrong way? He is human and I needs to be loved, just like everybody else does.

>>510112422 (OP)
He's a communist who ordered a war crime, we shouldn't really celebrate these 90s wars demons

>>510115226
>Serbs for example mostly support Palestinians.
First and foremost Houthis are our brothers

>>510115226
>Cause they’re inherently traitorous.

To be a traitor they would first have to be together with you in some way. It seems to me you two were always at odds and now you blame them for playing well and surviving despite genocidal efforts

>>510115393
It was retaliation for crimes against Serbs around Srebrenica. Cruel? Sure. War crime? Legally, yes. But it was no genocide.

>>510112422 (OP)
>On this day, I just want to remind everyone this man did nothing wrong.

>>510115484
>surviving despite genocidal efforts
That was pretty rude of them ngl

>>510112600
Morrissey, lead singer of The Smiths

>>510115484
How were we “always at odds” when they are literally just Muslim Serbs? In 19th century they could’ve said “past is past” and joined with us. Albanians did that for example, there’s Muslim, Orthodox and Catholic Albanians.
But “Bosniaks” chose to stab their own people in the back at every historical intersection.

We need a NEW Tito and a NEW Yugoslavia.!!
its the only logical solution. The death of Yugoslavia was a tragedy and the ensuing wars were an embarrassment.

>>510115612
Nice fake map, now post IQ of Roma community in Slovakia, given how you’re Slovak gypsy.

>>510115686
there are no serb or muslim blood cells. you are what you feel you are, at least in terms of nationality. it's a transbiological identity, not unlike what is being pushed today, only way older so it's normalized in culture

>>510115733
based

>>510115861
They don’t feel shit tho, they just feel they’re not-Serbs, everything else is fluid.
Clearly you can’t formulate a proper argument since you feel I’m right but you’re just being contrarian.
Muslims here decided to play the role of national traitors, and I’m not even referring to conversion to Islam.
Serbs are by far the most tolerant people in this region. We just don’t like being fucked in the ass. And they tried that several times in the past century, in 90s too, and unfortunate events of that war are partly on them.

>>510116160
>They don’t feel shit tho, they just feel they’re not-Serbs, everything else is fluid.

This is like saying Milka from 3.c is madly in love with me, only she doesn't realize it, so you rape her without a care and blame her when she protests

>>510116284
Follow my summary, where exactly did we “rape” them?
They (re)started it first. For example in Kingdom of Yugoslavia no one bothered them, they even had sharia in place.
Yet they still rushed to join ustashas and slaughter Serbs.
You’re just lazily trying to defend them cause they’re vaguely Muslim and you’re too, but you know you’re writing bullshit.

>>510116461
>where exactly did we “rape” them?
at Srebrenica

>>510116284
>Milka
Found the Bosniak

>>510116461
>For example in Yugoslavia no one bothered them

This is a lie. Numerous attorcities were commited against them, and against other ethnic groups in the interwar period. Serbs have to keep their heads in the sand when it comes to this however, because they would otherwise have to admit that the upcoming hostilities against them didn't come like thunder from a clear sky.

>>510117549
Šta ti predlažeš dobri čoveče preko Dunava?

>>510114068
well yes you see we might've been conquered and lands changed hands many many times and war crimes were a norm.... but the
populace stayed relatively homogenic apart from gypos. Can't say the same about Bongladesh, it's either a nigger or a paki or some other mystery meat.

>>510117665
Mpш Бyгapинe, oвo ce тeбe нe тичe.

>>510114068
>the rest of the world can never tell you fuckers apart
Sounds like a you problem like always

>>510117774
яж ми кypa тypcкa кypвo

>>510118513
The defter-i mukataa has never appointed singular officials of the church aside from the patrikler (patriarchs and archbishops) and mitropolitler (matropolitan and archbishops). The only time anyone from the Ottoman state apparatus would interact with the local church dignitaries was the local government receiving peşkeş for bringing the berat from the sultan, but even then it was limited to the mitropolitler at best.
As far as the defter-i mukataa was concerned, the monasteries were singular legal entities. The only exception would be petitions such as kisve bahasi or those recorded in earlier mühimme defterler, but the MD and KB funds in the Presidency of the Ottoman Archives, to my knowledge, don't contain the name of the monastery.
I know it's a shitpost but we must know proper historical sources too

Ratko, Ratko, vragolasti Ratko...

>>510117634
Predlažem da prestanete lagat o tome da ste bili "tolerantni" i "dobronamjerni" prema nesrpskom življu u prvoj jugovini. Crnogorac gore laže, vjerojatno niti ne zna za Božićni ustanak iz 1919. kad su se Crnogorci i Srbi međusobno poklali lol

>>510116461
Serb chimpedout and started attacking civilians around 1830 after they were given brief autonomy thanks to Russia winning the Greek war of independence and then again after 1867-1878 when the Serbs chimped out again and gained a country thanks to Russia winning against Turkey again. Then again in 1912-1913. Why do you think you’re innocent? You were the most brutal people in Europe for the last 200 years.

>>510112671
kek

>>510120264
The autonomy wasn't really brief. The de-facto autonomy was given in 1815 by making Miloš the beylerbey and giving him the rank of pasha (there's a lot of writing from his "Turkish office" from this period). The problem was that the rule was given to Miloš but not to his descendants, so his feats from the 1815 war would've been cancelled as soon as he died.
The Ottomans were bound by the Treaty of Bucharest (Art. 13) to recognize the autonomous principality however. They tried evading that, and were successful for years due to Russia being busy on other fronts. But the Treaty of Akkerman (Art. 5) repeated that stipulation and by 1829 the Russian pressure forced the Ottomans to recognize the autonomy officially (via two hatt-ı şerifler).
However the autonomy was not cancelled until 1878, when Serbia became formally independent. There were some changes (Serbia getting a minor expansion in 1833, Ottoman army leaving Serbia in 1867), but the formal autonomy was never challenged.

>>510120264
>>510121124
Also there has been no chimpout in 1830. You could've taken some examples from the revolution or the latter wars, but even Belgradi Reşid Bey who lived in Belgrade at that time couldn't really use killings to complain about despite his negative views of the Serbs and their ruler(s)

>>510121124
That’s why I said Serbs began chimping out against civilians in 1830. Autonomy was not de facto because ottomans had soldiers in “serbia”, they just didn’t care to stop Serbs killing civilians in Serb majority areas where they were technically autonomous. But it should be emphasized that Serbs would be nowhere without Russia doing all the work even in 1878 when ottomans BTFO Serbs and had to be saved by Russian intervention.

>>510120184
Ličanin sam pa te razumem. Ne bih da ti se uvlačim u guzicu, ali licemerstvo u Srba je činjenična postojeća stvar.

Jeл знaш читaти ћиpилицy дoбpи чoвeчe?

>>510113820
Ukrainian and Russian UN soldiers were chilling with VRS while french niggers were getting sniped

>>510121446
>>510121446
>The founding of the Principality of Serbia was accompanied by the expulsion of its Muslim population.[5] In 1832, Miloš Obrenović ordered that every Albanian in Serbia should be beaten for not fighting for their freedom with Mustafa Pasha Bushatli. He also ordered the expulsion of Muslims, which were predominantly Albanians,[6] from west Serbia and he told Milosav Zdravković to buy out the Albanian homes.[1]

Lying on the internet is not going to win arguments.

>>510121489
The Serbs didn't really start "chimping out" in 1830, they were "chimping out" much before that, during their own revolution. As for the autonomy, it was most definitely recognized as per the two mentioned hatt-ı şerifler, Serbia even had its own kapu kethüda as a diplomatic representative prior to gaining independence. The Ottoman army was allowed to reside only in the six fortresses (Belgrade, Šabac, Užice, Soko, Smederevo, Fetislam). They had to announce even going from the fortress to the town to collect water in Belgrade.
The second war you're mentioning was the 1876-77 one, in the second one (1877-78) Serbia already took parts of Kosovo which is why they got butthurt when the Russians gave all advances to Bulgaria.

>>510121888
>They had to announce even going from the fortress to the town to collect water in Belgrade.
Source that sounds highly gay
>Serbia already took parts of Kosovo
Serbs were buckbroken and Turks were invading Serbia proper. You were losing. Lying on the internet is not a good look.

>>510121705
Vrati se kuci, zaboravi despotiju vucicevu, cisto zivota radi
(Zivio sam u bg par godina pa znam i sro govorim)
Srbi nisu tema osim kad se par usijanih sjeti da je 05.08 pa pocnu o oluji al generalno nikog briga

>>510122105
Ne smeta što sam pravoslavac? Inače ne znam što bih se vraćao, dobro mi je u Bačkoj, tu su mi sa očeve strane još od kraja WW2. Lika je inače kao Bosna, pustoš puna mina i divljih zveri. Hvala na gostoprimstvu prijatelju. Protivnik sam Jugoslavije, ali treba ove moje Srba naučiti kako se pravilno posluje sa susjedima i da se nešto za nas izvuče, kao čitav normalan svet.

>>510121870
No, it's you not understanding what these provision mean.
Miloš Obrenović supported Mahmud Pasha in his rebellion against the Ottomans, just like he did with the earlier Bosnian rebellion of Gradaščević Hüseyin Bey. The beating was his way of forcing the local Albanians to help his own ally at the time.
As for the expulsion, it was not forced, but it was encouraged by all means. The Serbs were aiming to buy out the land, but the central government had no policy of expulsion (it even continued paying rents to Muslims until 1878).

>>510122096
> Source that sounds highly gay
If you need the two Hatt-ı Şerif texts I can provide them. But the fact that the Ottoman army dared leave their fortresses in 1860-61 was so important that the Kanlıca Conference (1862) basically took away all remnants of the Ottoman power in Serbia

>Serbs were buckbroken and Turks were invading Serbia proper. You were losing. Lying on the internet is not a good look.
Unfortunately you need to learn more about these events. The Second war quite literally brought the independence to Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_War

>>510112422 (OP)
GOD BLESS THE HEROES OF SREBRENICA
YES

>>510121870

>>510112422 (OP)
Stewart Lee is looking pretty young and slim in this photo.

>>510121870
I don't like serbian nationalism of the 19th century which spread its roots partly to the 90s, but its also understandable to ban an element which was 200% against you and your nation
>>510122326
Naravno da ne, prezirem samo turbonacionaliste sa pretenzijama i nijekanjem tudjega, ima par povratnika u selu do mog (za koje se zna da su spalili moje i prekopali grobnice). Stari je gleda sve to dok je gorilo sa hr strane, sad je relativno ok sa njima iako ih nema bas puno, uglavnom dodju ljeti. Jedino mi malo osobno smeta spc jer je jednostavno previse povijesti uvezano sa srbijom kao zemljom i dio je tog elementa sto je bio netolerantan i nacionalisticki u vremenu izmedju dva rata

>>510122343
>first war
On 31 October 1876, with the situation becoming dire and Serbian forces about to collapse, Russia mobilized its army and threatened to declare war on the Ottoman Empire if they did not sign a truce with Serbia and renew the peace negotiations within forty-eight hours.[17] These negotiations lasted until 15 January 1877.[18] On 28 February 1877, a peace treaty was signed in Constantinopole that restored status quo ante bellum.[19] Having gained financial backing from Russia, Serbia again declared war against the Ottoman Empire on 14 December.[18][20]
>second war
Besieging Nis while most of the ottomans were dealing with Russians on 2 fronts.

>>510122901
Nonetheless it doesn't cancel out the fact that the Ottomans lost, as I said before.

>>510123012
Yea because of Russia not because of expert Serbian military skills.

>ima par povratnika u selu do mog (za koje se zna da su spalili moje i prekopali grobnice). Stari je gleda sve to dok je gorilo sa hr strane
Golemo sranje, ne znam šta bih ti rekao, isto tako moj pradjed sa majčine strane (od babe otac) isto kad su bežali gledao kako su hrvatske snage mu granatirale kuću i sve što je izgradio za života (selo Počitelj). Nikom nije trebalo stvarno, ali čim ovako postupim ovi moji maloumnici misle da pozivam na Jugoslaviju. Niko ne razume zdrav koncept suradnje što ide u korist i jednima i drugima, a za to nije potrebna zajednička država. Pogotovo sada kad Evropa je ugrožena od strane trećeg sveta. Pozdrav i budi mi dobar ljudino!

>>510123143
A bit of both really but perhaps the Ottomans shouldn't have started heinous massacres of Christians in Bulgaria and Bosnia if they weren't prepared for consequences.

>>510123311
Balkangruele never happened.
>>510122821
Yes but when committing genocide there is always blowback and revenge. Serbs did it in the 1830’s, again in 1878, and again in 1912-1913. Serbs wrote a book on how to do it again in 1937. Every crime against Serbs in ww1 and ww2 was 100% justified revenge and defensive in nature.

>>510123311
Serbs were soundly crushed by Turks in early 1877 and had to beg Russians to sabre rattle. The Russians declared war a few months later all the while arming and financing the Serb army to break the treaty in late December. Let’s not pretend Serbs could have ever won anything without russians. Montenegrins are the same.

>>510114068
It was slavs vs muslims, you brain amputated retard.
Serbian heroes pushed out the disgusting bosniak menace that was plaguing their slavic lands.
Russia and the other slavic countries helped save us from the Ottomans back in the day.

>>510123450
>>510123664
stfu disgusting cockroach

>>510123263
Ma to je gotovo sve sad,samo da svijest napreduje u nesto pan europsko, moramo se pomirit sa tim jer vrijeme ide naprijed, napustit ova sranja turska sto su nam oni sami nametnuli u glave, ionako ce mozda bit novi identitet u europi sa svim buducim neredima koji cekaju ako nastavi ovako sta mozda i nije lose. Svijetu treba sta vise tih velikih polova politickih a europa ladno moze bit jedan ozbiljan kad bi se okanili svoje jadne proamericke politike. Kod nas manjih je samo pitanje koliko se mozemo "ogrebat" od njih i proc pod sta manjim reflektorom a da nam je dobro

>>510123664
Kys roach, your subhuman kind lost.

>>510114068
It's their culture

>>510123664
>Serbs were soundly crushed by Turks in early 1877 and had to beg Russians to sabre rattle.
Russia was against this war and warned Serbia that it could never gain anything due to the Reichstadt Agreement. But yeah, the Russians cucked the Ottomans as per tradition.

>The Russians declared war a few months later all the while arming and financing the Serb army to break the treaty in late December.
The Serbs weren't armed by the Russians (but by the Austrians and Belgians). Russia failed to provide a newer type of weapons and Romania wasn't willing to allow any sort of that exchange on the Danube. The financing was also not Russian, as per the Reichstadt Agreement.

>Let’s not pretend Serbs could have ever won anything without russians. Montenegrins are the same.
The 1815, 1861 and 1912-13 events said otherwise, but yeah, this was won in coallition of Russians. The Serbs formed their own separate front and still conquered much more than they retained in this war though, and the Ottoman massacres of civilians were stopped.

>>510123450
>Serbs were soundly crushed by Turks in early 1877
The victor is not victorious if the vanquished does not consider himself so and thats why Turks lost the war
https://files.catbox.moe/o97z4g.mp4

>>510112422 (OP)
I wish I was there bros

>>510123450
Every action has a reaction, turks should have liberalized and modernized earlier, thats why everbody was beating on them, and not like they were the oh mercifull overlords. Anyway who even invited or gave a claim to the steppe niggers. Euros atleast had familial or by population claims later, turks just left a huge mess in the balkans
>>510123664
And? First it was austria supporting the serbs, and germans took over bulgarians after the fallout of bulgarian indepedence. And what about the crimean war and the french/turko/anglo alliance. All of that was just a play by greater powers to use their "pawns" for their own interest in the balkans over the carcass of a rotting empire which brought nothing good and its evils are still present today