LIBERALS OF /POL/, what do you want? I don't even know what liberals even want in the current year. Name 3 things you as a liberal want politically.
Illegal mass replacement migration, tax payer funded transgender surgeries, and abortions?

>>510126371 (OP)
I don’t think liberals are on /pol/
They are in your walls though

>>510126371 (OP)
I want to unironically quote logical fallacies like a pedantic little cunt.

>>510126456
this
only people who pretend to be liberals to bait autists are on /pol/

>>510126456
>I don’t think liberals are on /pol/
you need to lurk more then if you think that.
>>510126504
no one baits anymore, what used to be bait is unironic liberal posting. it's sad too.

-Cheaper and better access to healthcare
-A more representative functional democracy without gerrymandering or money in politics
-A reduction in the 50,000 preventable car accident deaths every year

Does that help?

>>510126647
>-Cheaper and better access to healthcare
why are liberals so obsessed with "healthcare"? how more cheaper and access do you want? The only reason I can think of that you're all obsessed with it is because so many liberals are really unhealthy.
I love my healthcare desu. I don't want the government running a shittier version of it I'd have to pay for with more taxes.
>-A more representative functional democracy without gerrymandering or money in politics
everyone does
>-A reduction in the 50,000 preventable car accident deaths every year
lol, oddly specific to be in your top 3. genuinely curious, what do you want done about it? safety upgrades? stricter revocation of licenses? self driving cars?

>>510126887
>how more cheaper and access do you want
More in line with the other countries in pic related, they also have universal healthcare too

>everyone wants gerrymandering banned and no money in politics
then why are these party line rulings? Why would I vote for someone who's gonna appoint conservative judges when I know how conservative justices work?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rucho_v._Common_Cause

>what do you want done about car deaths
more subsidies for mass transit and permitting reform so that they can actually get built instead of being stuck in environmental review hell for years, fewer subsidies for cars and driving since driving sucks ass, hurts poor people the worst, and has tons of negative externalities to boot. Again, like Europe.

this also has the benefit of cleaner air

>>510126575
no, youre wrong. its bait. nobody believes the things they say anymore. they just say whatever gets the most likes/replies/yous etc. its all disingenuous reductive bullshit.

>>510127748
their healthcare isn't free, you'd just exchange paying out of pocket to paying in your taxes. Our healthcare problems come from big pharma scheming and our food supply. there's no fucking cure for eating food that's so ultra processed it's made in a lab inorganically.

>>510127945
>their healthcare isn't free
Look at the x axis dude, I never claimed it's free just that it's better and cheaper

>Our healthcare problems come from big pharma scheming and our food supply. there's no fucking cure for eating food that's so ultra processed it's made in a lab inorganically.
Yes and I remember when Obama tried to make our food healthier and it got attacked by the right because "the government shouldn't be micromanaging our diets"

>>510128249
big food paid off politicians enough to get it shut down, not that obama was serious about it anyway.

>>510128458
>not that obama was serious about it anyway.
I disagree but
>paid off politicians
this just rolls back around to my other point

>>510128627
obama pretended to be everything he actually wasn't. I still remember him being pushed as a dove when in reality he was just as if not more of a warmonger than bush.

>>510128859
I have my disagreements with Obama's foreign policy but he didn't do anything as disastrous as W in my view, regardless this is a tangent and not related to my main arguments

>>510129621
>he didn't do anything as disastrous as W in my view
Bush did everything overtly. Obama largely did everything covertly and subversively. A different way to achieve the same objectives.

>>510129694
I feel like this argument isn't productive, like this is not remotely related to my initial claims

>>510126371 (OP)
>Less conformity in social, workplace, and political spheres (let people be themselves)
>Less governmental force
>Less tax breaks for wealthy
>More "butter" Less "guns"

>>510130051
well your 3 points aren't going anywhere. you already had "cheaper and better access to healthcare" with obama care, money isn't going anywhere in politics (even though it should), and you can't have nice public transportation because of crime
talking about obama's warmongering is more interesting

>>510126887
>The only reason I can think of that you're all obsessed with it is because so many liberals are really unhealthy

>>510126371 (OP)
Free everything
Children able to be their true selves
Acceptance of everyone

>>510130529
You are reduced to backpedaling and defending your broken system as always. Ahhh establishment conservatives that controls both parties.

>>510126371 (OP)
>liberal
This word is utterly meaningless, I ACTUALLY dont know what you mean. I do have views many here would hate.

I DONT want immigration or taxpayer funded sex reassignment surgeries, I want jobs to pay more, houses to cost less, no more "campaign donation" (legal bribes) and single payer healthcare. Thats it.

I've been told over and over and over and over that this makes me a Socialist until I finally said "Okay" and now I openly call myself a Socialist.

>>510126371 (OP)
I want Medicade’s funding to be restored because my sister is a dependent and the burden for carrying for her without assistance is huge.
I would also like the fucking federal hiring freeze to end

>>510126575
You need to spend less time here, and more time checking your walls
They’ll get you if you don’t get them

>>510130851
>your
why is it my system? liberals have controlled all aspects of the bureaucracy for decades.
>>510131139
did you even lose your medicaid or are you just seething in general?

>>510131052
lol true. They are calling independents liberals over immigrant issues and raging about it when I tried to explainsit clearly to them. NO massive inflow. Everyone agree on that. Deports criminals. Only republicans disagrees and think they have to deport 60 million folks.

>>510131052
>I want jobs to pay more, houses to cost les
then surely you support the deportations. And liberal meaning democrats and those left of center.

>>510131264
why should we not deport illegal immigrants in general?

>>510131206
Liberals? Hohoho nope. If liberals was controlling then we would had our damn Universal healthcare a decade ago!!!!!!

>>510131312
Polls are saying it lol. People are fine with what we have. Just stop keeping the borders open.

>>510126647
You’ll get none of those from the dems and like it

>>510131312
Most of us think AiCE is being forced to meet unrealistic quota lines instead of using to go after the cartels. Morale is very low in ICE.

>>510131504
Hmmm don’t cares. Criminals are criminals.

>>510126371 (OP)
nevar 5get

>>510126371 (OP)
>Illegal mass replacement migration,
Unless you just hate immigrants because you're racist and no other reason, mass migration is mostly a capitalism problem. They get brought in because they expand the reserve army of labor and drive wages down, sure. Right wingers have no solution to this other than to blame/deport immigrants indiscriminately. They will never punish the employer who is the one exploiting them and throwing you under the bus. I think the solution is to give immigrants the same workers rights as Americans so there's less reason to hire them and to take control away form the owner class and give more leverage to workers through union organization. Don't want your boss to lay off half the staff so her can hire a bunch of Mexicans or move the factory to Guatemala? Great, do a sit down strike and watch his ass squirm.

>tax payer funded transgender surgeries, and abortions?
I think healthcare should be nationalized because private grift does nothing but increase costs
>>510127748
to funnel money into private hands and even though it's not "free" nationalized healthcare is free at time of use when it matters and less people will fall through the cracks. I don't care if trannies ad their doctors think they should get a cockchopping. I generally think most trannies are just AGP fetishists and should probably just calm the fuck down with the gooning but I'm not about to start trying to dictate which healthcare "deserves" to be paid for and what doesn't. Why? Because that opens the door to other people doing it to me. Benefits like that should generally be universal and not means-tested or only given out to specific slices of the population. If everybody gets it, everyone can get behind it, that's solidarity. Start dividing it up and soon people will start bitching about why some things are paid for and others aren't and private interests will exploit that do divide and conquer and get people back on the paypig farm.

Miggers are convinced that /ptg/ is the sole bulwark of conservatism on the otherwise leftist /pol/

>>510131206
Based on what I heard people would be more happy if ICE refocus on going after the cartels instead of just rounding up any immigrants.

>>510131449
We’re on track for the lowest immigration level in 50 years. Picture the fast food industry realizing that school is out and no one is applying for a summer job.

>>510131449
>>510131621
if you want increased wages then you'd support deporting all illegals, not just the criminals.
>>510131361
that's what obama care was for lol

>>510132038
they're rounding up illegals ffs
>>510131874
shut up leaf

>>510133271
Good luck trying to defends that.

>>510133513
defend what?

>>510126371 (OP)
well, 2 + 2 is equal to an expression commonly interpreted as two operands denoting quantity (something relating to the abstract notions of none, one, and many) and an operator signifying a functional relationship between the two. taking the functional relationship as addition (combining the values represented by each "2"), you have two things over here and two things over there, and many will tell you that this equates to four things here. with nothing concrete underlying the notions of quantity, just meaningless representations of abstract value, 2 + 2 = 4 just like 2 * 0 + 2 * 0 = 4 * 0, since nothing here and nothing there is the same as nothing anywhere.