Why are they pushing inefficient solar roads, solar roofs and solar in like North Sweden... then hate on cheap solar in the desert saying we will all die from that?

>>510169746 (OP)
>put a bunch of mirrors in the desert
>suddenly air is warmer
>weather patterns altered

>>510169746 (OP)
This article is mirror'semitic.

Solar panels become increasingly inefficient when they become very hot.

>>510169876
so putting inefficient solar in the North where half of the year there is snow with the brightedr albedo - ok

putting them in the desert with 3 times the output and lower albedo - we all gonna DIE!?

>>510170023
nope

>>510169746 (OP)
Government subsidies. The people pushing for it get a cut. You don't think they are actually trying to do good with any of this shit do you? Environmental science as represented by the media is a massive deceptive communist wealth redistribution and control reach around. Just like how they say economic migrants are good for the economy. Even if you think you hate the "academics, politicians and, journos enough" You fucking don't hate them nearly as much as they deserve.

Why don't they build desalination plants thar are also powered by solar? The fresh water can be pumped inland. Irrigating the arrid soil, allowing vegetation to grow. Vegetation had been proven to maintain moisture in dry climates, plants literally chance the ambient temperature by maintaining humidity.
There can be solar farms along side agricultural or reforested land.

Humanity needs to shift its focus from materialistic wants to environmental needs.
Without nature at the helm, Humanity is doomed to prosper.
Take Heed mankind, use your resources to your advantage, not pillage the Earth for its resources for frivolous knick knacks.

>>510169746 (OP)
Maybe because solar on the desert is more efficient. It is providing electricity that is cheaper and more efficient than most other sources. Prices of electricity for customers could go down creating new industries and raising standards of living.

To keep people controlled the governments need to keep the standard of livings down. If living costs were cheaper, maybe white people would have more children, for instance.

In order to keep up the cost of living the governments have declared a 'climate emergency' and a goal of 'zero net' carbon which is easily achievable by solar cells in the desert.

But the real purpose of the 'climate crisis' is completly unrelated to the climate. It's to oppress white people and east asians. So they have to declare solar cells in the desert to be 'bad' as well.

If they developed clean nuclear fusion, like the cold fusion that was declared a while back, that would also quickly become 'bad' for the 'climate'.

The billionaires can build water desalination plants along coastlines and use the fresh water for farming and drinking is every coastal region.
The water can be pumped into the massive strip mines to create freshwater lakes in the regions that can be used for irrigation.
Water is the key resource to mankind's success. Produce as much drinkable water as possible to irrigate the dry regions to reclaim the land in Earth's name. The sand from the Sahara can be used to resand eroded beaches and riverbeds.
Secrets of the Sahara would be uncovered doing so, preserving humanity's lost history in the process. We can create many oasis in regions declared uninhabitable.
Mankind would prosper with all the additional vegetation.
Earth would begin to heal and stop this doomed course we are on.
Take Heed Humanity.
Time is of the essence, you still have time to grant yourselves a future worth living.

>>510169746 (OP)
They dont want energy abundance. If energy is abundant the cost of everything falls to near zero, and it becomes very difficult to extract huge profits or keep wagies in their cagies. Its the same reason they shit on nuclear so much. None of their bitching is really about the climate, its about control and profit

>>510170697
>>510171017
Desalination leaves brine water, which will inevitably be dumped in the oceans and decimate marine life. Best way is to harness green water and gradually so.

It's also better to direct floodwaters (piping and pumping) into lakes instead of letting it all go down rivers. Then stopping water diversion for farming and harvesting rainwater underground will remove drought.

Also, I don't know why people think we should produce more food, it only makes the problem worse.

>>510169746 (OP)
Gotta put it on farm land because food control.

>>510169876
this

>>510170697

>>510170051
nta but to be real, he didn't advocate for putting them anywhere else

>>510171358
>better to direct floodwaters (piping and pumping) into lakes instead of letting it all go down rivers
The environmental impact of this is far, far worse than the brine from desalination plants. See Murray basin floodplain harvesting by foreign owned cotton farms. It doesn't solve drought.

>>510169746 (OP)
Solar makes power during the day and stops just as the highest demand period hits. With large amounts of solar what you end up doing is building two electric grids worth of generation, and only run them at about 25% total capacity.

It's 25% because overnight demand is about 20% of peak demand; With a single on demand source of power you have about 60% use overall.
The graph shows that in California they make 100% of the spot demand mid day with solar, then in the evening fire up slightly more total capacity to run for 5 hours.

>>510171716
This would be solved with storage. Doesn't have to be battery storage either.

>>510169746 (OP)
>Turning deserts into
You won't "turn" deserts into anything. You will put panels on a very small percentage of them. Retarded article

>>510169746 (OP)
WHY DONT WE JUST USE NUCLEAR POWER??
FOR FUCKS SAKE
ALL THE CONCERNS ABOUT IT ARE FOR POTENTIAL MELTDOWNS BASED ON HUMAN ERROR
JUST HAVE AN AI BACKUP / SUPERVISOR SYSTEM

>>510171716
>You can't store power

>>510171683
>See Murray basin floodplain harvesting by foreign owned cotton farms. It doesn't solve drought
That's disingenuous. You're failing to mention that the cotton farming is the problem.

>It doesn't solve drought.
Except it does when done in accordance with nature. Meanwhile, desalination will result in disaster.

The fact that you and others look to turn this into a debate is just one of many reasons why this continent will be a third world wasteland in 20 years.

>>510171778
>This would be solved with storage. Doesn't have to be battery storage either.
If storage was only slightly more expensive than more generation we would build storage and let our existing plants charge up that storage overnight.

Nothing is even remotely close to cheap enough. No pumped hydro isn't cheap enough. Flywheels or compressed air or anything else isn't cheap enough.
You can't handwave away we can just build storage as a solution when talking about real problem.

>>510169746 (OP)
Solar farms in the middle of nowhere don't really work because that energy has to be transported where it is needed, it can't be stored. And the longer the electricity has to travel, more energy it loses along the way. Solar farms make sense right next to some arab city that is surrounded by deserts. But putting solar panels in the middle of Sahara is a dumb idea.

>>510171847
>>You can't store power
No economically. If you want to pay 50 cents per kilowatt hour for your power you can. I like paying 4 cents.

>>510169876
There is actually a decrease in temperature (not huge, though) because the solar panels create shade and vapour condensate in the panels at night, offering some water source for native plants.
Hot air rises, and eventually it is neutralised by the eternal coldness of space.

TL;DR This is just MAGA bullshit because China just built a solar farm so big that at peak production (which never really happens) it could sustain a European country, while the US can't fix a pothole in front of the White House.
It's literally, "we don't know if using solar is good; better stick with coal :^])

the desert is alive
you faggots have some kind of misconception that its just an endless wasteland of mars-like rocks

dont worry though
every time you put up an array of splar panels thats what you get

a smarter idea is to put them over parking lots instead of hundreds of miles away from where power is needed.
yall do know transmitting power is like sending water through leaky ass pipes right? you waste most of the power just moving it around

solar panels in the desert is a concept for smoothbrain retards
if you advocate this, you ARE a subhuman.

>>510171778
>>510171966
>You can't handwave away we can just build storage
Storage would be the solution for the problem but we don't have the technology for that.

>>510169746 (OP)
You global warming people are strange.

Bullish for silver

>>510171358
Brine water can be used to create chlorine and sodium through electrolysis. We actually had a chlorine shortage a few years ago which is a big deal considering over half of every consumer product uses chlorine somewhere in its production cycle.

>>510171716
the idea is to use the existing gas pipelines to pump hydrogen to Europe. That hydrogen is created by the electricity. The throughput of such a pipeline is massive, one pipeline covers 25 percent of Germany’s energy needs.

——

Backed by Snam, TAG, Gas Connect Austria, and BayerNet, the project was pushed through during the 2022 energy crisis under the guise of “energy security.” It has since then been listed as a Project of Common and Mutual Interest, a 2025 Global Gateway flagship project, and a key piece of the EU’s RePowerEU plan, which sets a target of 20 million tonnes (Mt) of green hydrogen by 2030. Yet as the statement warns, the corridor will serve corporate interests over local communities, locking in a costly export-driven energy model at the public’s expense.

“We oppose green hydrogen production and infrastructure development because of its extreme inefficiency; high volumes of cheap electricity and water are required for its production. This perpetuates extractivist patterns which amount to greenwashing on behalf of fossil fuel industries which divert in country efforts away from the critical scale-up of local community-owned renewable energy towards export purposes benefitting EU countries while ignoring local energy needs,” says Siphesihle Mvundla, Climate and Energy Justice Campaigner from groundWork, Friends of the Earth South Africa.

Shereen Talaat, Director at MenaFem Movement, adds “The South H2 Corridor is another violent expression of neocolonial and patriarchal extractivism. It exploits African land, water, and labor to feed Europe’s energy needs, while women—especially in rural and frontline communities—bear the brunt of water scarcity, land dispossession, and energy poverty. This is not a feminist or just energy transition.”

>>510169746 (OP)
How does almost nobody get it yet? They want to impoverish you! Get it yet?

>>510171895
>cotton farming is the problem.
Sure, forget cotton and rice farming I agree it's fucked and shouldn't happen on this continent. But what else are you going to do with the harvested flood water if not farming?
>Except it does when done in accordance with nature
Can you point to a location where this has happened?
>desalination will result in disaster.
Source? I've seen the outflow of the desal plant here, the sea grass is gone for a couple of M diameter around the pipe. After that it's normal sea grass.
>turn this into a debate
Debate is a good thing.

>>510172019
>There is actually a decrease in temperature (not huge, though) because the solar panels create shade and vapour condensate in the panels at night, offering some water source for native plants.
>Hot air rises, and eventually it is neutralised by the eternal coldness of space.
Alternatively the solar panels absorb energy during the day and heat up way above the surrounding air temperature because solar panels absorb more energy than ground does, and reflect less back out to space.

We even already have a word for this; albedo.

>>510172066
>Storage would be the solution for the problem but we don't have the technology for that.
And if people just followed the law we wouldn't need to pay for police, prisons, or a whole criminal justice system.

>>510172124
What are they using chlorine for?

>>510172019
>when your TOO LONG; DID NOT READ is longer than your original point
Fucking normies. Ree.

>>510172159
Hydrogen made with electrolysis is really inefficient. You need more energy than what you get back by burning it efficiently.
Is no different than Americans powering their Teslas with diesel generators.
Not to mention hydrogen is REALLY unsafe to store and transport.

>>510172159
>the idea is to use the existing gas pipelines to pump hydrogen to Europe. That hydrogen is created by the electricity. The throughput of such a pipeline is massive, one pipeline covers 25 percent of Germany’s energy needs.
Hydrogen is a terrible way to store energy. Bind it to some carbon and make hydrocarbons that you can pour into a plastic jug to save for later use.

Europe doesn't need a pipeline getting eaten away by hydrogen. Just build nuclear power plants locally and let them make hydrocarbons overnight, letting you have a 100% nuclear electric grid with no downtime due to low demand.

>>510172284
>one line of text is too long for an american

>>510169746 (OP)
Because Jews want to destroy the world and because Jews have psychological myopia and cannot do forward projections in their imagination.

>>510170697
Anon jews sabotage any and all projects like this.

>>510169746 (OP)
why they always say we are running out of coal when you country has been harvesting the same beds for 4000 years and still pulling out loads? my country has country sized coal bed tha have never been extracted from we got coal near ad infinitum.

>>510171358
This is kiked out nonsese from cnn

>>510170051
If shitskins muzzrats werent retarded they would put solar for energy and create a plant ecosystem underneath.
They could have both crops and energy.

>>510172339
>being this fucking stupid
:V
"tl;dr" supposed to be a shortened summation, not you just reiterating a second time with an even longer explanation, you fucking normalnigger.

>>510172317
>Hydrogen made with electrolysis is really inefficient. You need more energy than what you get back by burning it efficiently.
Fuck man, try and follow along. We are talking about the problem of having too much energy at the wrong time and ways to store it or use it. It doesn't matter how low efficiency the process is if due to over building solar the price in the middle of the day for electricity is negative. Or you have nuclear power plants that have costs being 90% construction that is covered if your plant is running or not.

>>510172209
Brother, modern solar panels are just a printed piece of glass. It has no thermal mass to store heat, like the soil does.
Ask anyone who put solar panels in their houses. Their attic becomes cooler in the summer.

>>510172181
>But what else are you going to do with the harvested flood water if not farming?
Soil organic matter, water tables, biomass. You take a barren region and make it green again, but only after having upcycled all the agricultural poison laced throughout the landscape.

>Can you point to a location where this has happened?
Yeah, I did it in China, Middle East and Africa. Their governments contracted me to do it. Or just look up regreening.

>>510172231
All kinds of shit. Bleaching, Disinfectant, PVC production, Solvents, Pharmaceuticals, pesticides, dyes, flame retardents.
Chlorine might be one of the most useful elements in organic chemistry.

>>510172424
Some sheep farmers do this here, the sheep are happer under the panels for shade and the same hectare can support more head of sheep compared to no solar panels. Owing to the condensation dripping in the morning which makes the grass grow back faster.

>>510172478
Europe has enough rivers to power the world with river dams.
Look at the new China power plant that will be built next to Bangladesh. It will generate a little bit over the total energy consumption of Germany, the most industrial country in Europe. IN A SINGLE PLANT!
You don't need nuclear when you have rivers.

>>510172408
Most of America's farmland is turning into a dustbowl due to the retarded farming being done to feed spics, nogs and all the other kinds of refuse. You idiots can barely manage free range cattle beyond small operations and automatically defer to factory lots that are owned or subservient to any one of the four big meat processing companies.

But keep growing that onions and corn syrup for hernandez and tyrone.

>>510172483
>Brother, modern solar panels are just a printed piece of glass. It has no thermal mass to store heat, like the soil does.
>Ask anyone who put solar panels in their houses. Their attic becomes cooler in the summer.
They absorb energy on wavelengths that would be reflected, heating the air raising the air temperature and surface temperature. If you made the panels out of extremely emissive material you could lower the temperature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNs_kNilSjk
This is basically the reverse of a solar panel using materials to absorb as little solar energy as possible.

Good job on discovering insulation and shade however.
Solar panels raise the total average temperature locally when build on a grid scale. Enough to act like the city island effect.

>>510172523
I'm sure you need desalination just to produce it then, for without it you'll have no chlorine.

>>510171683
hey dickhead dick you know the murray was dry for half a year EVERY FUCKING YEAR before it was dammed and locked? the idea that the murray darling river system is in danger are fucking retarded when it holds more water in its driest years than it used to hold EVERY SUMMER.
Get out of melbourne stop smoking pot and drinking the coolaid.

>>510171966

Why wouldn't pumped hydro work? That's hecking California, they have mountains and valleys and shit. Try to do that shit in Finland.

>>510172664
Except you need rivers to remain rivers.

Damming and redirecting rivers prevent mineral runoff from reaching aquatic ecosystems, which revolve around the estuaries created by the fresh water reaching the ocean.
E.g., The Colorado River estuary is dead because of damming.

>>510172557
Makes sense. Even non solar panels creating just shade would make sense.

>>510172664
>Europe has enough rivers to power the world with river dams.
>Look at the new China power plant that will be built next to Bangladesh. It will generate a little bit over the total energy consumption of Germany, the most industrial country in Europe. IN A SINGLE PLANT!
>You don't need nuclear when you have rivers.
Canada has lots of rivers and lots of dams. We also have two huge fuck off massive nuclear power plants because rivers are not always enough, and can and do have negative impacts that are unacceptable and unavoidable.

The new dam suggested takes advantage of a massive 2km elevation drop. Which is highly restricted on places where that happens over a distance that is economical to build tunnels.

We have some extra hydro power left but not enough for the long term. We need another cubic mile of oil energy equivalent in the next 50 years, and don't have enough rivers to meet that goal. Pic related.

>>510171778
>solar could work if electricity storage tech was better!
Congratulations Xena, you’re now caught up to where the rest of the class was 25 years ago.

>>510169746 (OP)
Do you know how I know it's a scam? I've been to dozens of all inclusive resorts and not one of them has a singular solar panel anywhere on the property. You'd think a self contained mini town would want to offset as much cost as possible especially energy bills

>>510172703
>They absorb energy on wavelengths that would be reflected, heating the air
True. But you know what happens with hot air?
IT RISES. The hotter the air in relation to the surrounding temperature, the faster it goes. This is how hot air balloons work.
Our problem is not temperature; it's pollution that traps infrared inside our atmosphere.

If solar panels being too hot for our planet was an issue, then we should ban black roofs first...

>>510172855
>you need rivers to remain rivers
Like the seasonal waterholes of the Murray pre construction of the Hume?

>>510172338
Yeah the hydrocarbons thing will happen. Main issue in the future is plastic which has utterly ruined this planet. Co2 numbers are just an excuse to make people ignore actual environmentalism.

>>510172750
You need brine. Whether you get the brine from desalination or simply adding salt to fresh water is a matter of choice. My only point was that brine does have legitimate uses.

>>510172841
>Why wouldn't pumped hydro work? That's hecking California, they have mountains and valleys and shit. Try to do that shit in Finland.
It works, just not economically even if you give zero fucks about the land use change 'cost'.
Why is it expensive? Because you need a massive volume to hold any reasonable amount of stored water energy and construction is expensive when done right. Every case is a custom job and the amount of land you need is kinda huge.

>>510172317
no, hydrogen production through electricity is 70-80% efficient. Given that solar panels installed in Africa cost 1/3rd per TWh of production (lower land and labor costs plus more sun so more production per panel) compared to Germany, producing hydrogen from solar panels installed Algeria and transporting this to Germany is more cost effective than solar in Germany. Also, hydrogen can be directly used in industry just like natural gas, no need to convert it back to electricity.

Current proposed pipelines already exceed 50 percent if Germany’s total energy need (note, electricity us only 40 percent of all energy needed in Germany).

>>510173042
Sure. But you don't need more of it. If anything, consumption needs to be reduced and refined across the board, not increased.

>>510172986
>If solar panels being too hot for our planet was an issue, then we should ban black roofs first...
Yes, if you didn't want to be absorbing heat energy half of the year.
Some real conversations have been had to paint roads in cities gray to try and lower local temperatures.

>True. But you know what happens with hot air?
>IT RISES. The hotter the air in relation to the surrounding temperature, the faster it goes. This is how hot air balloons work.
Yes, that warms the planet, warms the local area and creates a weather condition known as the city heat island effect.

>>510173188
Green hydrogen production makes strange weather.

>>510173011
Sure. But urbanites like you need such installations to cover your consumption footprints.

>>510173401
And retards like you make think up on the spot and come out as retarded to anyone with half a brain.
>>510172670
>>510172501
>>510171895
>>510171358
Are all complete horseshit made up by you.

>>510172855
You still get plenty of sediment from tributary rivers along the way.

This excuse, and some others, come from "greenwashed thinkers" that are literally sponsored by big oil. I am not making this shit up; look how much BP, alone, spends on "ecology" (aka, give money to schizo to rant about actual clean energy alternatives while they literally destroy the planet).
>>510172923
>because rivers are not always enough,
Oops, my country forgot to receive the memo because WE LITERALLY RUN 90% ON RIVERS. But I am sure Brazil, with its 200M+ inhabitants, is an exception when compared with Canada, an "overpopulated nation" where everyone lives in a handful of cities.
The issue with Canada is that you can get a river to freeze a few days during the year.

>>510173188
Making hydrogen is much cheaper if you use high temperatures (700-800C) provided you have cheap heat.

But put that aside, you really really do not want to work with hydrogen it's corrosive to metal, leaks and needs a huge amount of energy to compress or cool it to get good energy storage per volume.
Just bind 4 hydrogens to a single carbon and now you have methane which is many times easier and cheaper to work with.

>>510173527
Someone missed their onions latte today.

>>510173566
>obligatory fart joke

>>510169746 (OP)
Not sure why we aren't using them as carports to block sun in parking lots

>>510173303
Or you can attach an electrolysis facility to every desalination plant and produce chlorine, caustic soda and hydrogen and bring the brackish water back to a normal saline content.

>>510173612
>newfag twelvie hasn't learnt the filter words
like pottery
lurk more kiddo

>>510173546
>You still get plenty of sediment from tributary rivers along the way.
You get some, not plenty.

Preaching to the choir. But the best policy would be depopulation, meaning less of everything and not having to be concerned with more energy for its own sake.

>>510173188
>no, hydrogen production through electricity is 70-80% efficient.
Only if you measure the "potential energy released by burning hydrogen" but not when you actually try to extract energy out of hydrogen burning.
For example...
A litre of gasoline has the stored energy potential of 34.2 megajoules, but good luck trying to get 15% of this energy with the best technology in the world.

>>510173184

It still has magnitudes more volume than what could be possible with flywheels and batteries. Also I believe the barren valleys above treeline in Sierra Nevada have no better use than to be dammed for pump hydro. Swiss and Austrian Alps is full of such installations and very few even know that.

>>510173546
>Oops, my country forgot to receive the memo because WE LITERALLY RUN 90% ON RIVERS. But I am sure Brazil, with its 200M+ inhabitants, is an exception when compared with Canada, an "overpopulated nation" where everyone lives in a handful of cities.
Okay now have 1 billion people. Do you have 5 times more hydro electric capacity that's unused and as cheap as what you have already built?

>The issue with Canada is that you can get a river to freeze a few days during the year.
Only the smallest creeks actually freeze over with no water flow. No hydro dam freezes and stops working. The problem with Canada is that the remaining amount of hydro left unused is small and expensive to develop. The last big dam to get built was 1.1GW and cost $16 billion and was in a very good location to build in.

$16 billion for 1GW is expensive, more than what we build nuclear power for. A lot more.

>>510173715
You wife and her boyfriend are waiting for you to get offline and film the act for them. Be sure to make a copy to show at your next Greens meeting.

>>510173673
It's not unheard of.

>>510173752
>But the best policy would be depopulation
Agree. Luckily this will happen naturally by the end of this century. Not without its own issues though.

>>510173676
Why even go to all that trouble just to make a problem and then a solution when you can just leave it alone?

>>510173364
>Some real conversations have been had to paint roads in cities gray
This is something that drives me insane.
Politicians always try to find the most expensive way to "solve" a problem.
LIKE, JUST PLANT SOME TREES AROUND THE STREET! They grow for free, they offer shade, and they cool the air several times more in order of magnitude when compared to a slightly more reflective road colour.
It's like those "people" (notice the quotes because the author of this post doesn't really see politicians as people) enjoy being inefficient...

Guys, I need to go. I promised my sister that I would do her new house wiring, and it's time. It was nice to talk to you guys.

>>510169746 (OP)
This is bullshit ZOG propaganda to undermine China's massive solar power industry. Look at the name in the article screenshot, lol.

>>510173752
Kiddo this is going to blow your mind but 90% of earths land is pristine only 3 % is taken up by man and his urbanization globally and a mighty 2% is damaged with primary industry.
>bangaladesh is half the size of victoria and has 170million people and they manage to be a net food exporter ...

>>510173977

This.

1) Why do people hate trees?
2) Politicians and scientists don't want to solve the problems, they want to lengthen and worsen the problems indefinitely to keep themselves employed.
3) In many cases solving the problem has been prevented by a law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

That law, and similar stuff, is simply evil.

>>510174159
Most cities that are not in the desert and outside of a downtown core have tree all over everywhere.
I have no idea why either of you think people and cities don't plant trees along roads or other areas.

>>510174119
Consumption footprints go far beyond populated areas.

>>510174119
>>bangaladesh is half the size of victoria and has 170million people and they manage to be a net food exporter ...
And the fact that you're holding up bangladesh as desireable is disturbing. You should move there on a permanent basis.

>>510173952
Well, if you need water in a desert location your options are really just trucking or pumping water in or desalination. If you had solar panels in a desert location that had access to sea water you might want to turn that into fresh water to clean your solar panels. If you had excess power due to low load maybe you want to use it for electrolysis on the left over brackish water to make some chlorine. Honestly, the desert would be a pretty good place to make chlorine since its production and storage isn't without hazards. If you have a fuck up in the desert, no one really gives a shit. Well... Less people give a shit than if you had a major fuckup in Freeport Texas.

>>510174303

Well trees are not ubiquitous. Well in Finland they are, even in the city cores, but other nations have vastly different opinions.

I went to Florence during the so-called "Kerberos heat wave", as dubbed by our yellow press, and it was like +50C there. Heat radiated from the ground almost as much as from the sky. And still, the fucking spaghetti people seemed to hate trees. There were almost no trees in the central Florence, although there could have been. Just asphalt and stone and concrete, maybe some burnt grass here and there. It's not a desert town, but it felt like being in fucking Dubai. Outside of it is Tuscany, one of the most pleasant regions of Europe. It's not like trees wouldn't grow there.

>>510174828
>Well, if you need water in a desert location your options are really just trucking or pumping water in or desalination.
No, you take advantage of the rain when it comes instead of letting it go nowhere. It's gradual, there are no overnight solutions.

>>510174967
Relying on rainfall in a place not known for it seems pretty stupid.

>>510175110
It falls, just not as often as one would like.

>>510169746 (OP)
>Let's put mirrors against god tat sure will make him happy
get rekt

>>510171673
the anon you're replying to couldn't pass the INT check

>>510175110
>>510175185
Almost all desert life relies on the fact that it rains sometimes.

>>510170697
>>510171017
>>510171358
>build desalination plants
You need energy for Reverse Osmosis systems.
RO membranes need a lot of pressure to push water through them .
However.
I was thinking along the lines of
dumping brine into some lake with Airships.
An airship has the largest lifting capacity, can go anywhere, doesn't need any roads or airfields.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship

You will all die if you dont use coal and oil, trust me!!

>>510169746 (OP)
One wind and you can start cleaning all the rows.
It's honestly retarded.

>>510175110

Actually the problem with Australia isn't the amount of rainfall, it's when it rains and when it doesn't. For example, the desert town of Kununurra has as much rain as my pleasant Finnish town if not more, but the problem is that the rains in Kununurra last a couple of months, and rest of the year there's almost no rain at all. That's why it's desert. They have built the Lake Argyle, a huge reservoir to flatten the curve, so to speak. It actually works. They have used like 10% of its capacity, and they are expanding the agricultural operations all the time, I watch it's progress via Google Maps.

Sadly the kikes have noticed that White men are doing something cool, and they have prevented similar or even greater dams to be built nearby, declared the areas nature reserves for arid sand and the handful of bingo-bongo hominids who live there.

>>510175326
>Reverse Osmosis
Removes any minerals from the water, so then you need to put them back in.

>dumping brine into some lake with Airships.
lol, this only gets worse

>>510169746 (OP)
Have people realised they're just taking shit or trying to trash the planet

>>510175526
I'm not saying that can't work. I'm only pointing out that if you have access to ocean water in a desert location you can set up solar panels and a small desalination plant and use electrolysis on the brackish water so there's absolutely no environmental impact at all. Even if this system wasn't hooked up to a grid, and only produces energy for itself it would still be pumping out chlorine, caustic soda, hydrogen and fresh water.

>>510175645
You would actually want to remove the minerals from the water anyways if you were using it to clean solar panels as the minerals could build up on the panel. You'd also want to deionize it.

>>510169876
Finally somebody who gets it

It's money from other energy sectors. If you can pay Mexicans to install solar panels on your roof and see an ROI in 5-10 years the tech is solid. We saw the same shit with EVs and how ACKshually hydrogen is better there's no chargers the batteries can't be made they're dirty tire dust. Then they catch on fire in China, surpassing all the manufactured FUD, and the shills jump to using that excuse. Truth is people are crabs trying to keep everyone else in the bucket. Ignore them. Solar is dirt cheap and just watch as Trump completely pivots on solar in the next year with his Energy Independence project.

>>510175645
Anon RO is the only realistic process to desalinate water.
You can very easily add water back by running through some calcium rock etc.

We have a bunch of salt lakes and old mining sites. You can probably find an ancient mining site that is bare and dump brine there.
Brine is the same salt water except salt is more concentrated.

>>510176892
>You can very easily add *minerals* back by running through some calcium rock etc.

Why do you think you need to put minerals back in RO water?

If it's for drinking have you considered eating food and getting your minerals that way? You don't need minerals in your water. It's nonsense.

>>510177342
He's retarded.
If you put RO water through copper pipes it will corrode copper very quickly, as it is very acidic (low pH).
But that is easily fixed.

>>510172209
>And if people just followed the law we wouldn't need to pay for police, prisons, or a whole criminal justice system.
No I'm saying in the future storage will solve the issue, but once we have the tech for that. Right now we simply don't.

>>510172019
it's not a MAGA thing, it's many-years old position, you communism-addled moron

the panels are absorbent, dark. They literally bounce LESS energy back up than the sand, meaning the area goes up in temperature. Supposedly.