Greece only exists today because of this battle. Their independence war was almost lost without this happening.

I'd like to read a book about this setting

>>510182165
What’s stopping you?

>>510182165
No need to. Let me summarize. Greeks wanted independence, they had their asses heemed, Russia, England and France joined up to save Greek asses and won a naval battle in 1827, then in 1828 the French invaded the Greek mainland. Then the Russians invaded ottoman territory in 1828 and 1829. Then the Greeks, losing every battle of importance and nearly being exterminated were given independence by Jewish globohomo that ruled England, France and Russia.

>>510182107 (OP)
True. Greece lost every single war it fought against Turkey. Losers in 1897 war, 1919-1922 war and 1974 Cyprus war. They only managed to become independent because UK, France and Russia combined declared war on Ottoman Empire to defend Greece. Modern day Greece only exists as a puppet of NATO, and would crumble if it faced Turkey on its own.

>>510182327
Why would "Jewish globohomo" want to free Greece

>>510182228
I have to finish the one I'm reading plus a back log of like 100 others

Long story short, the revolution started in a botched manner by accelerationists in Moldova who failed to get Russia into a Great War. The ones in the south took over for a bit, had a civil war between military and civilian administrations, and just as the Turko-Egyptians were about to wipe them out, in comes the west with this move. Greece started bankrupt, in ruins and everyone in that rump state hated eachother to begin with

>>510182502
Are you implying France, England and Russia were not Jew owned in 1827? Ever heard of the Rothschilds?

>>510182487
The first balkan war didn't go so bad

>>510182738
Glad you admit this, Serbs would never admit that their country was also saved from destruction in 1877. Or that globohomo forced ottoman armies out the principality between 1861-1867. Balkan history is complex as modern geostrategic wars.

>>510183112
It was a heavily coordinated war, 5 countries supported by the Jewish west so the Turks dont have direct land access to the Germans. The ottomans had oil in Baghdad and were linking up with the Germans via energy and military.

>>510183112
Greece would have lost territory in Thessaly like the 1897 war without its alliance with Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro

>>510183196
I will say this though, the west liked Greece as a little oddity, to be controlled and rallied. It's like making a wild oat to spite your partner
>>510183310
Turks were full of jewish debt as well, they were not innocent in this
>>510183346
Sure, like latvia wouldn't square up alone against the soviet union, are we supposed to fight one guy at a time like samurai?

>>510183074
Assume I'm not. Why would they care about Greece

>>510182502
It's a classic Muslim cope. They cry for the Balkan states having allies while their little "Empire" was prolonged for 120 years thanks to Britain and France being suspicious of Russian ambitions.

>>510182327
>le hecking jewish globohomo!

The Ottoman Empire was run by literal crypto-jews.

>>510183421
>>510183602
>run by Jews
>they destroyed it for the express purpose of gaining Palestine and preventing Germany from getting cheap oil access
How do you square that circle?

>>510183755
Jews had rights in the ottoman empire, they had all thessalonica to themselves. And what about ze germans? We had a German king, are they supposed to be incorruptible antisemites? Powers fight eachother from Sumeria to today

>>510183574
Serbs were crushed in 1876-1877 after starting a war. Then they had Russia come in to do most of the fighting against Turks a few months later, then a few months after the weasly Serb declared war again and besieged one city. When the ottomans had to peace out with Russia the Serbs having lost all their battles and fighting only when ottomans were more occupied with Russia got nis and raskia regions. But continue lying about your history to look better.

>>510182107 (OP)
Greece, like Israel, Germany, Italy, Belgium is a fake country. They literally made it up 200 years ago. Greeks didn't give a fuck about Greek roots before this. The westerners introduced identity to these retards and since then, the Balkans has gone retarded. Better off under Turkish control, I tell ya.

>>510183881
I think not, Jews were never allowed to own land in Palestine until the late 1880’s, then they were rugpulled numerous times by corrupt ottoman officials. The reason for ww1 was Palestine and oil. Everything else was coincidental.

>>510183961
Mainland Greece cared the Greek identity more than Anatolians, who were more cosmopolitan and Romanized, but sure if westerners expected socrates and thucidydes during the ottomans they were sorely dissapointed to find goat herders and dirt farmers

>>510183954
I've already buck broken you with sources yesterday, I don't intend doing DDD services everyday. The only reason the Ottomans even existed in the 19th century is benevolence of the European powers you call "Jews" now. You should say thanks to them every single day.

>>510183574
>>510184146
"remove kebab" is the biggest cope that ever came out of balkans

>>510182107 (OP)
And the byzantine empire back then? What did the West do back then?

>>510184146
You didn’t debunk anything, you cannot explain why the ottomans were forced out of Serbia by the west, why the Serbs were crushed in 1876-1877, why the Russians invaded a few months later, and why Serbs broke the treaty a few months after that fighting when most ottoman forces were preoccupied with Russians on two fronts, Bulgarians and Romanians. Your “epic” struggle amounted to winning because others did most of the heavy lifting, gg.

>>510184109
Jews weren't even allowed in Palestine until Islam came in, that's one thing, and they tried to make sure the muslim majority in Palestine wasn't disturbed by haughty western settlers, WW1 being all about getting to the jews to israel sounds like a very mythical form of history

>Calls others losers
>loses empire

>now getting raped by inflation

>>510183961
Yeah man, I see those germans also still composing and writing poems.

Retard

>>510183755
>destroyed

The Ottomans made it clear they were perfectly willing to hand over Palestine during WW1 to please the jews. All things considered the Central Powers were good goys, The Germans, Austrians, and Ottoman Empires all consistently shilled for jews and gave them special privileges, but the Brits preempted them by promising to give the jews Palestine even faster.

It wasn't a question of if but when.

https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/the-ottoman-balfour-declaration

>>510183574
Serbs are Turks

>>510184249
To be a Greek back then was considered offensive, like calling someone a treacherous, greedy homosexual. This only changed because the dog lost teeth. It's like Tony Soprano loving his race horse, the stud isn't gonna argue with him so he showers it with affection, but if some friend of his tells him no he has them killed

>>510184287
Up until 1880 there were a few thousand Jews in Palestine. Only with Rothschild support and Zionist colonization efforts did Jews expand to 43,000 people by 1890 Palestine census. My opinion is that Palestine was an important part of the reason for ww1 but the most important reason for ww1 was oil in Iraq and the ottomans cozying up to Germans that were becoming stronger than the west and Russia.

>>510183428
Zionism, obviously

>>510184247
>>510184263
It will never not be funny reading Turkish imperial copes while I watch your workers on a scaffolding from my window.
Your little "empire" was preoccupied sucking English and French dicks in order to survive two more weeks and you lost war after war against your literal colonies after trying to do most heinous massacres of the 19th century. Yet you still have the guts to say that the others helped your colonies, while your army was German and your money English. "No one lies as much as a Turk", to quote an old poem
An on top of that you still have to convert those remaining churches in Turkiye to at least convince yourselves that you somehow won
It's so tiring

>>510183961
dumbest trailer trash education ever

>>510184569

>>510184468
Germany and Turkey are allies

>>510182502
>what is a buffer state
Same reason Belgium exists

>>510184553
Is Greece majority jewish?

>>510184458
>The Council of Ministers has just decided, following my statements to the Jewish delegation, to lift all restrictive measures on Jewish immigration and settlement in Palestine. Strict orders have been given to the relevant authorities to ensure a benevolent treatment of the Jewish nation in Palestine based on complete equality with the other elements of the population.

>Regarding my invitation to several Jewish organizations, I declare once again, as I already did to the Jewish delegation, my sympathies for the establishment of a religious and national Jewish center in Palestine

>August 12, 1918, Grand Vizier Talaat Pasha

Your "anti-jewish" Turks, sir.


And crypto jews running the Ottoman Empire is so well established even wikipedia is forced to acknowledge it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh

>>510184537
The west going against Germany isn't a sin, it's what empires do, they fight and then infight. Them wanting colonial land is reasonable, the idea that jews caused WW1 specifically to go to Palestine though sounds far fetched unless the royals were THAT infiltrated, I mean even today they're torn up on the issue man

>>510184673
Back then anything that reduced Ottoman power brought Palestine closer to jewish hands

>>510184569
Ottoman Empire last for 610 years. You're only focusing on the final 50 years where Serbs managed to get independence (no thanks to their own but to russia and great powers). For the first 550 years of the empire, Serbs were its most loyal servants.

Not even the most far right serb nationalist denies this.

>>510183574
>>510184146
>>510184569

"Us turks removed kebab vala"

>>510184569
Meanwhile, in reality:
>serbs were only given semi autonomy in 1829 after Russians defeated the ottomans in the Greek war of independence and their own war with the ottomans
>serbian principality had all the Turkish soldiers evicted by the west telling the Turks to leave
>serbs and Montenegrins invade in 1876, Serbs were crushed so hard that they had to BEG the west to save them and then also Russia and only because of that did the Turks sign a peace treaty instead of destroying all of Serbia when they had the ease and chance
>then a few months after the Russians invaded ottoman territory
>while ottomans were fighting Russians on TWO FRONTS, Romanians and Bulgarians, the crafty Serb broke his treaty and invaded fighting a paltry sum of the available ottoman forces
>after Russians defeated Turks the Serbs were given land despite losing

You can cope about your history but it’s all there. This isn’t ancient history and up for interpretation. You literally only exist because of Russia saving your ass from destruction.

>>510184746
They already gave them Salonica. Turks I guess were naughty because they had too much debt and this made them a target, but that doesn't mean they were on a world saving mission any more than Japan in WW2 was. It's like praising the Ogre from Fear and Hunger because he raped some motherfucker to death, but don't you know he'd do this to anyone who came along?

>>510184709
I think the jews that influenced the central powers agitated for war against Russia because it was run by "anti-semitic" tsars. Then when that operation succeeded, they switched to fully backing the Brits to get them Palestine ASAP as well as using America to crush Germany to pave the way for the spread of Bolshevism.

>>510184888
>>510184750
The Ottoman Empire owes most of it's 610 years to the benevolence and infighting of the European powers. Your little imperial project didn't even bring you to 2% literacy by 1918. It was merely an English hobby project by WW1.
That's why you had to lash out at the Christian minorities and occassionally get you teeth kicked in by even your ex-properties.
Just remember that you couldn't establish power even in a small Montenegro for 300 years and that the Montenegrins had to put Turkish heads as decorations to their main monastery.
No wonder the Balkanites had to ultimately buck break your legacy by turning your little mosques into churches like pic related
And yet you still come here to beg us for a couple of akçes because deep down you still know that you can survive only by being a parasite of Europeans

>TWO FRONTS
Maybe don't genocide Bulgarian and Serbian civilians then idk

>>510184911
I don't believe there's ever a thing as full backing when it comes to a world spanning oligarchic clique, there's Jews in France, Jews in Germany, Jews in Russia...Ottomans were corrupt too, the guys that influenced the British were one group of people, but jews were everywhere

>>510184703
And Assad was willing to cuck to Israel just to survive. Your point? The Ottomans were losing ww1 and wanted to keep their empire. Jews were constantly getting rug pulled in Palestine by ottoman officials that lied about land rights and such.

>>510184906
And Bursa too. You think that satisfied jews?

>>510185043
>>510185076
The Ottomans even organized Jewish bands in Novi Pazar to harrass the local Christians. The Ottoman cries as it strikes you

>>510184838
Why does a turkroach in Germany want Serbs to be Turks? DNA shows they aren't.
>>510185039
>Jews in France, Jews in Germany, Jews in Russia

And those jews would naturally act together to get an outcome they wanted, namely the destruction or Russia being their foremost aim.
>>510185043
My point is the Ottoman Empire was a degenerate shithole run by crypto jews that always privileged jews. It was even worse than Austria in giving privileges to jews over the goy cattle.

>>510185378
>>510184651

>DNA shows they aren't.>

Cope

>>510185076
Meanwhile, barely a few thousand Jews in Palestine from 1500-1880. Zionists were allowed to settle in Palestine if they paid a lot of money and they never had any real property rights.
>>510185034
Speaking of Montenegro, they never had a country or independence. They were always rebelling and getting crushed. Only in 1852-1856 did they get brief autonomy when ottomans were occupied with Russians. Then in 1858 they won a battle or some such. Then the Turks crushed them in 1861-1862, banned them from having weapons and reduced their territories. And let’s not forget half the Montenegrins were not warrior Serbs but Christian Albanian clans. Montenegro doubled their territory after the treaty of san Stefano in 1878 after Russia did most of the fighting and winning. Cope.

>>510185378
All of them being in direct communion seems rather difficult, to say that all jews wanted the british to win is like saying all italians are pasta-eating metrosexuals. I think that to say WW1 was about jewish palestine specifically puts too much credit on too omnipresent a jew

>>510185661
It was about oil primarily, Palestine secondarily and everything else was coincidental.

>>510185585
>>510185585
Do I need to cope as much as these severed Turkish heads?

>Above the Biljarda building and the monastery stood the never-finished tower called “Tablja,” conceived as a fortification to defend the monastery. Construction of the tower was initiated by Njegoš in 1833. With the building of Biljarda, the tower lost its intended function, and was instead used for ceremonial gun salutes and for displaying severed Turkish heads. This naturally shocked visitors to Cetinje, but the hanging of heads continued until 1850, and the beheading itself was only abolished by order of Prince Nikola in 1876. Later, the tower was converted into a bell tower that housed a large bell (1,631.5 kg – a gift from Laza Uroašević from Zemun). Tablja was demolished in 1938 during the preparation of the plateau for the construction of the Cathedral Church, and part of its stone was used to build a small, simple bell tower.

>>510182107 (OP)
>t*rks can ask egypt for assistance
>but greeks need to fight the brown hordes with 0 aid, otherwise it is not fair

also the brown inbred hordes would have never needed to fear intervention if they fought normally, since no great power cared for greece and approved of the t*rkish right to put the rebellion down
they single handedly managed to bolster the philhellenic movement thanks to their pointless massacres and brown "person" moments (like the massacre of chios, where they butchered their own subjects who hadn't even rebelled just to foster terror into the population) that strengthened interventionist sentiment due to the suffering of a fellow christian nation, especially in russia due to orthodoxy

this is why i laugh whenever there's a happening in the middle east and people ask
>"why would they do x attrocity? it serves 0 strategic purpose and makes them look bad. it must be a psyop!"
they did it because they are fucking brown trash, inbred into being barely viable for life and with 0 impulse control

>>510185585
>Meanwhile, barely a few thousand Jews in Palestine from 1500-1880
Is that supposed to be relevant to my argument?

>>510185736
It's like saying America fought Iraq for oil, even Trump was like no, we didn't get that from them. These powers were belligerent to begin with and they were seeking fights by sending ultimatums to eachother

>>510185585
ah yes, subjugated people cannot have weapons

>>510185560
wow a larp club, really convioncing
>>510185585
>barely a few thousand

94 thousand jews as of 1914 already 1/6 of the population. Nothing was going to stop them even if WW1 didn't happen.
>>510185661
They already held world zionist congresses that had delegations from every country with a jewish population on Earth.

Why do people think it's impossible for jews to plan anything?

>>510185142
I don't think anyone from your region can be considered human unless he nurtures an eternal burning hatred against roaches

>>510185991
True, it's a question of a basic human decency

>>510185981
And christians have the world council of churches yet they are no unified force. Whatever, all I want to say is to frame the Ottomans as Hitler's predecessor is a foolish move

>>510182487
Roaches CAN'T breed...... in a few decades Arabs and kurds will be a majority in Turkey (a bird) and you roaches can't do anything against it.

>>510185840
>never finished tower
>turkish heads
>1833
>Montenegrins were only briefly free as a crypto state for 10 years 1852-1862
Totally not Serb propaganda. Delusions of grandeur = your people.

>>510185859
This isn’t CK2, well maybe it is because you wouldn’t survive without others doing most of the work.

>>510183961
Germany is ancient you clueless nigger

Yo that turk in Canada is seething. Must be doing this to combat the cold. Why don't you take a trip to turkey with that beneficlal exchange rate for the Lira?

>>510185880
The Jews never had any sort of power you’re implying. Let’s look at your country, literally created because of Jewish finance, waged wars and colonization with Jewish money. Jews were breeding and leaving bastards in holland that Dutch women were forbidden by law (including prostitutes) from sleeping with Jews.

HECKIN NAVARINO

>>510186304
You can keep crying but that hunting association in Montenegro buck broke you so hard that the English travellers drew sketches on your severed heads. Let alone competing with the bigger Balkan states, and not to mention the European powers. It's a waste to call the Ottomans an empire post the Austrian buck-breaking of 1688.

>>510185928
Iraq was about defending Israel, not oil or even selling oil in euros, I agree. But oil in Iraq was the primary purpose for WW1, I don’t believe that Germany and the west would have gone to war if Germany wasn’t a threat to the west and they were a threat because they had access to ottoman oil with their Turkish alliance. The book tragedy and hope is about this and it is 100% truth.

>>510186374
He's right in that they have a knack for monstrous justice over there, at the first cough you take antibiotics and at the first whiff of dissent you put heads on spikes, that sort of thing raises eyebrows and makes martyrs

>>510182107 (OP)
>>510182327
To be fair the Turks only were about to win because Ali of Egypt's Modern Army salvaging the situation for the sultan. Only fair for Europe to intervene thus after. Lmao the Ottomans were of the most Judaiophile countries. Salonica was the beating heart of Sephardism. Fuck off back to your country roach, even your pseudo sultan today is to pussy to do anything real against Israel instead of crying about the Ummah.

>>510186249
This is true. Statisically, every fourth person in Turkey is already a non-Turk, either Kurd, Syrian or Gypsy.

>>510186639
He'll probably convert 2 more abandoned churches to mosques to show the evil Israel lmao

>>510185981
If the Germans/Ottomans/Austrians won they would have deported Jews from all their lands or made them low class citizens with no power. Jews are powerful today because of the west, they chose the west and not the central powers for that reason.

>>510186608
The British had a whole century of seething against Germany because our small colonial empire had greater GDP and greater industrial output than the entire British empire and the cherry on top was that we Germans DARED to build a little navy because somehow only the British are allowed to have a navy.

>>510186608
Either way that is a geopolitical issue, oil this or lands that, there's nothing that doesn't apply to both. Germans wanting Turkish oil and Brits wanting colonial land, I can't see this as a good versus evil conflict you know? It's like two dogs with fleas biting eachother, I don't think Austria is heroic for wanting to punish Serbia, nor the Black Hand for accelerating a national conflict. Germany joining in was as ordained as Russia joining in, they had commitments to honor, and the end result was of course far more than Austria's bosnian bickle

>>510186515
Just like with Serbia getting crushed in 1877 and nearly losing your “country” without Russia, you seem to neglect that montegrins were crushed in 1862 and had no country. Montegrin clans (half of them Albanian and not Serb) rebelling and getting crushed has been a thing for centuries, but only Russian victories gave them a country, like yours.

>>510183310
Most observers commented Turks had the material and manpower advantage against the Balkan Alliance. They just shit the bed since the small countries were well organized, with Bulgarian annihilating the Turkish field army and Greece taking control of the seas. The little south eastern states of Europe have always been underdogs against a country that is centered off the manpower and resources of larger Anatolia. It is why Russia was the country that brought the rule largely to the end.

>>510186744
>If the Germans/Ottomans/Austrians won they would have deported Jews

maybe in fantasy land. In reality they all had jews present at the highest levels of society and influencing decision making. None of the central powers were remotely anti-semitic.

>>510186744
What many not know is that in 1915 Jewish groups in Germany contacted the Kaiser to make a deal the very same the British accepted but our Kaiser told the Jews to fuck off. At first Jews were pro Germany because we were on good terms with the roaches and they controlled Palestine after all.
The entire war could have changed but our Kaiser was more interested in his honour than letting Jews tell him what to do.

>>510186947
You're repeating yourself, run out of cope already?

>Navarino
Not my heckin' Navarinoooos!

>>510186799
Oil was discovered in ottoman Baghdad in 1913, officially. They probably knew about oil there for a few decades. Early 20th century navies, and most of them today, run on diesel, cars which started noticeable production around 1904 run on oil, planes were invented in 1906. The oil economy of today is over 100 years old. The entire purpose of WW1 was oil in Iraq and also Palestine for the Rothschild, see Balfour declaration.

>>510187059
Are you forgetting that half the montegrins in that battle were Albanians even the commander Popovic. They did most of the lifting in that one battle. Serbs can’t fight because you always lose without Russia or in this case Albanian clans. These ottoman numbers aren’t real, it’s fictional propaganda. Ottomans were fighting and crushing Serbs in Serbia at the same time and agreed to good peace terms with them forced by the west and Russia, they would have raped them to death otherwise and then Montenegro when they had the chance. But they had to fight Russia immediately after. Again, Montenegro only exists because of Russia.

>>510187934
It's even worse if you lose to non-states and Albanian leaders, you do understand that?
Montenegro only exists because of buckbreaking you

>>510182107 (OP)
Well yeah the revolution was a stupid mistake and a death sentence during times of peace, many Greek figures were against it and thought we have to wait for a European war so the ottoman army is busy elsewhere. It's really hard for farmers to defeat an empire, like the American revolutionaries wouldn't have won without France.

>>510188034
These rebellions were always crushed. Just like in 1858, Montenegrins won battle. Ottomans came in 3 years later and destroyed them. The same was about to happen in 1877 after the ottomans defeated Serbia but were, a few months later fighting against Russia instead of crushing Montenegrins as they always do. They had most of their armies east in Bulgaria, Romania, the caucuses. Stop coping. Greeks accept they only exist because of Russians and the west, you need to accept reality as well.

>>510187271
With the Berlin Baghdad rail line the ottomans promised Germany 20km of each side of the rail earth rights.
Not sure if the line would run through oil fields but the British were extremely passed about that project and instantly started warmongering against us.

>>510188385
Yes, and if after a few years of no war the wealth and power accrued would have given the ottomans the vigour to kick out the Brits in the Arabian gulf, which also had oil. Maybe a decade or so as the British empire self crumbled.

>>510188310
>crushing montenegro
yeah lmao

>>510186983
In one way I’m speculating but youre also speculating that Jews would have survived as political unit after German victory in ww1 or if Germany I strengthened itself with Turkish oil and did not have to wage war. Jews after all, prefer the west. They funded napoleon and the British but gave Britain more money since it was their interest that Britain ultimately won.

>>510188757
You’re posting a battle between Albanians.

>>510188984
Whats up with Albanians and claiming that everyone in the Balkans is Albanian

>>510188984
what matters is that the turks camed out of the battle raped, like they usually do. you're welcome to visit nowadays tho, we won't make you go under the yoke like after this battle, as long as you don't dare to call yourself an empire tho

>>510189151
But albanian-albanians are illyrian

>>510189151
His image, one side is Albanian and the other side are montengrin clans that are Albanians as well. It is irrelevant and the Serb is coping and posting irrelevant crap. Ultimately the nation of Serbia and Montenegro (mostly Serbs) exists because of Russia in 1877-1878.

>>510189296
So does that mean the nation of Albania exists because of us and Austria-Hungary since 1912 because we wanted to cuck Serbia from having sea access?

Also whats up with the first mention of Albanian language being in 13th century where some dude reported a crime

>>510189151
He's basically trying to slide the discussion after being shown that his ancestors were raped even 1v1 against their former provinces, because all he can do is cry that the Balkan countries had allies (despite the Ottoman surviving its last 120 years due to the European mercy)

>>510189179
Why don’t you apply some sense and logic and commit to self awareness. This battle you posted isn’t any different from 1858 battle of grahovo, montegrins (half of them weren’t even Serbs), then the ottomans crushed them completely a few years later in 1862. It’s clear that it would have happened again, the ottomans crushed the Serbs in early 1877 but were forced into war with Russia, then lost so they could have never won against montenegro. From 1878 to 1912 the ottomans avoided getting into conflicts with Russians and Russian adjacents (Serbs, Montenegrins, Bulgarians).

>>510189512
Albanians, like others rebelled numerous times but had nobody to save their asses like with that happened to Greeks, Serbs, Montenegrins, Bulgarians, Romanians. Albanians in 1912 rebelled again and the ottomans gave them independence or semi independence, there was no treaty because the Balkan war started a month later after.

>>510189515
We are talking about Serbs here, montegrins are half ethnic Albanians at that time. Serbs in Serbia itself had to be saved by the west and Russia. Stop coping and just admit defeat. It’s like it goes against your soul to admit that Serbia wasn’t epicly winning all by themselves. Embarrassing. Greeks have more tact to admit that their country only exists because of the west and Russia, why can’t you?

>>510189548
>>510189844
Self awareness includes understanding you were never that powerful and only existed due to the European benevolence and interests. Merely a puppet of real empires like the UK, Germany, France and Russia, that was allowed to exist with financial, diplomatic, military help, no matter how annoying. Don't forget to say thank you to the Europeans you meet IRL, they kept you alive long enough to become guest workers in modern Serbia and Montenegro.

>>510183428
>Why would they care about Greece
It wasn't so much about Greece as it was to diminish the Ottoman powers and influence. The UK was always making trouble for any nation that started getting too powerful. Why do you think WW1 and WW2 were for ?

>>510189967
>1862, Montenegro crushed after brief autonomy
Why are you keep neglecting this?
>1876-1877, Serbia crushed
Ottomans would have easily gone to do the same to the rebellious Montenegrin clans but Russia declared war a few months after Serbia peace’d out and were humiliated. Let’s not pretend it wouldn’t have happened since it always happened in the past.

>>510189731
From what I‘m seeing is that all Balkan nations took the chance during the Great Eastern Crisis while Russia was in a war with the Ottomans and thus weakened. Why didn‘t Albanians do the same? All I can see is that Albanians fought on the Ottomans side

>>510190141
>Ottomans would have easily gone
If it were not for the European help, right.

>>510190152
They did but they were muslims and had no big backers until after the Balkan wars. Bosnian Muslims also rebelled a few times. Albanians rebelled and had brief autonomy before Serbs or Montenegrins even. They were getting too powerful so a Greek-Georgian convert tricked 500 of their leaders and killed them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Albanian_Beys

>>510183954
This is all true and the only reason for the existence of current Montenegro which was never a country.

>>510190240
Serbs were crushed in those rebellions, they only gained autonomy when Russia beat the ottomans in 1829. Serbs after were allowed to have a congress, collect their own taxes and create an army but they still had to paid tribute and have Turkish armies in Serbia until the 1860’s when the west told them to leave Serbia.

>>510190490
sure they were

>>510186799
>The British had a whole century of seething against Germany
AHH what a world if that map had ever come to fruition

>>510182487
Die, you Turkoniggerfaggot.

Allah can come suck my dick
Mohammed the prophet can go fuck himself.
I shit on the Quran and spit on All the teachings of Islam.

>>510190525
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Adrianople_(1829)

It’s almost like you don’t know your own history and are constantly coping with nationalist cherry-picking and revisionism.

>>510190364
Idk man it sounds a lot like you are coping, nevertheless I will leave you balkaniggers alone

>>510182502
Idk about “jewish globogomo” but Britain did it to get a foothold into the balkans. Are you retarded?

>>510190626
you do understand that people have access to internet today

>The Second Serbian Uprising (Serbian: Дpyги cpпcки ycтaнaк / Drugi srpski ustanak, Turkish: İkinci Sırp Ayaklanması) was the second phase of the Serbian Revolution against the Ottoman Empire, which erupted shortly after the re-annexation of the country to the Ottoman Empire in 1813. The occupation was enforced following the defeat of the First Serbian Uprising (1804–1813), during which Serbia existed as a de facto independent state for over a decade. The second revolution ultimately resulted in Serbian semi-independence from the Ottoman Empire. The Principality of Serbia was established, governed by its own parliament, constitution and royal dynasty. De jure independence, however, was attained in 1878, following the decisions of the Congress of Berlin.[3]

>>510182107 (OP)

I don’t think so. The Ottoman Empire was not long for this world. Independence was an inevitability.

>>510190656
What am I coping about? Albanians are irrelevant in this discussion. It was about Greeks but seething Serbs came in and I had to reteach them their embarrassing history.

>>510183961
100% this. Most of Greece was linguistically Albanian, and they all referred to themselves as “Romans”. Romania is another fake and gay country. The only real country of the Balkans, Bulgaria, was split apart and Balkanized and turbo-raped.

>>510190719
This complete nationalist talking point. Ottoman armies were not kicked out of Serbia at all in between 1804 to 1829. The Serbs were rebels and were defeated several times, the second “revolution” did not evict any Turkish solider or give Serbs defacto autonomy. Serbs did not get self rule until after 1829 but still had to have Turkish armies in Serbia and had to pay taxes to the sultan.

>>510190871
The true Roman successor are Austria and Turkey

>>510190920
>In mid-1815, the first negotiations began between Obrenović and Marashli Ali Pasha, the Ottoman governor. The result was acknowledgment of a Serbian Principality by the Ottoman Empire. Although a vassal state of the Porte (yearly tax tribute), it was, in most respects, an independent state. By 1817, Obrenović succeeded in forcing Marashli Ali Pasha to negotiate an unwritten agreement, thus ending the Second Serbian uprising. The same year, Karađorđe, the leader of the First Uprising (and Obrenović's rival for the throne) returned to Serbia and was assassinated by Obrenović's orders; Obrenović subsequently received the title of Prince of Serbia.

>During the intermezzo period ("virtual autonomy" – the negotiation process between Belgrade and Constantinople 1817–1830) Prince Miloš Obrenović I secured a gradual but effective reduction of Turkish power and Serbian institutions inevitably filled the vacuum. Despite opposition from the Porte, Miloš created the Serbian army, transferred properties to the young Serbian bourgeoisie and passed the "homestead laws" which protected peasants from usurers and bankruptcies.[2]

>New school curriculum and the re-establishment of the Serbian Orthodox Church reflected the Serbian national interest. Unlike the Serbian medieval tradition, Prince Miloš separated education from religion, on the grounds that he could oppose the Church through independent education (secularism) more easily. By that time the Great Academy in Belgrade had been in operation for decades (since 1808).[2]

>The Akkerman Convention (1828), the Treaty of Adrianople (1829) and finally, the Hatt-i Sharif (1830), formally recognized the Principality of Serbia as a vassal state with Miloš Obrenović I as its hereditary Prince

Repeat after me,
K
E
K

>>510184487
>back then
what the fuck, did I blink and missed when this changed?

>>510191091
At some point people started liking the idea of a Greece, but as they say, a Bulgaria? It's all Greek to me

According to the British diplomatic historian AJP Taylor:

Most battles confirm the way that things are going already; Plevna is one of the few engagements which changed the course of history. It is difficult to see how the Ottoman Empire could have survived in Europe... if the Russians and Romanians had reached Constantinople in July; probably it would have collapsed in Asia as well. Plevna... gave the Ottoman Empire another forty years of life.[3]

If the russians weren't fucking retarded thinking they would lose face and continue with us because under romanian command they actually managed to win a huge strategic point there would be no Turkey today. Istanbul would have been Constantinople again under joint ruso-romanian administration.

>>510186799
A warning? More like a wet dream

>>510191022
>Although a vassal state of the Porte (yearly tax tribute)
>it was, in most respects, an independent state.
That’s not an independent state, this is a nationalist revisionist talking point. Ottoman armies were still in Serbia for the whole period and after 1829. Serbs were granted autonomy with self rule (of Serbs not muslims) and having their own army, Chechnya is an autonomous(republic) state within Russia, has its own army today but unlike Serbia the Russians pay the chechens and not what Serbs had in place, paying Turks every year and hosting Turkish armies.

You lost

>>510191022
Based serbs removing kebab since 19th century.

>>510191316
Subtract Russia out of the equation and Romanian wouldn’t exist either.
>we could’ve marched to Constantinople all by ourselves
>we did most of the winning and fighting
Embarrassing

>>510191435
>you lost
No u. You're moving goalposts, but "no one lies as boldly as a Turk"

>>510191179
>people started liking the idea of a Greece
unfortunately most of them were jews and/or child molesters
>but as they say, a Bulgaria?
thankfully people liked it enough to die with their heads held up high and songs on their lips, and not just for the cause of controlling shipping lanes

>>510191623
We had no defacto state until 1867. Your entire principality was a glorified Indian reservation but Indian reservations today don’t have to pay taxes to Washington or have armies in their land, they today are more of country than Serbia between 1829-1867.

>>510191758
*you

>>510191540
Prince Carol I accepted the Duke's proposal to become the Marshal of the Russian troops in addition to the command of his own Romanian army, thus being able to lead the combined armed forces in the conquest of Plevna. The Romanian Army was divided into the first Army Corps under Colonel Lupu and Second Army Corps under Colonel Radovici. With his army's success in the Grivitsa and Rahova, the Plevna citadel capitulated on 28 November 1877, and Turkish General Osman Pasha surrendered the city, along with his garrison and sword to the Romanian colonel Mihail Cerchez and Russian division commander Ivan Ganetsky. After the occupation of Plevna, the Romanian Army would return to the Danube and succeed in battles in Vidin and Smârdan.[12]

On 19 January 1878, the Ottoman Empire requested an armistice, which was accepted by Russia and Romania.

We were already 99% independent from the ottomans you retard. Name one ottoman province who had christian voievod and then king, own army and laws and had no mosque or muslims under the turks. That is right, only the Romanian Principalities. Only shit turks controlled was our foreign policy.

>>510190617
Most Turks are not religious anymore. You live in jewland though, that's why you're so brainwashed against the reality of the situation faggot.

>>510191540
>Subtract Russia out of the equation and Romanian wouldn’t exist either.
Factually wrong. Romania exists since the 13-14th century. It was called Țeara Rumâneasca/Цapa Pꙋмѫнѣcкъ from Terra Romanorum and it means Rumanian Land/Rumanian Country. Russia exists since the 16th century. Stop talking about my country, you low IQ subhumans.

>>510191704
>unfortunately most of them were jews and/or child molesters
I'm sorry you got no great powers to back you up, you had to stay enslaved till the 1870s
>thankfully people liked it enough to die with their heads held up high and songs on their lips
I'm sure they died with vim and vigor, never another collab seen like the second balkan war

>>510190871
They didn't all referred to themselves as Romans, if you were to ask them about their ancestry they called themselves Graikoi.
>Graikos - (national name, history) name for the Greeks mainly during the Ottoman Empire

It was one of the two ancient names for Greeks, but since it didn't have a religious connotation like Hellenes had they switched to that up until paganism died out and then they started using Hellene again.

>>510191758
Yes, you had no state, but not only until 1867. Serbia was lost to you by 1815 thanks to Miloš impaling Turks left and right for a couple of months, enough for Marashli Ali to ask for mercy.

You lost; that's all.

>>510191893
>romania exist
Romania had autonomy after 1829 until 1877. Treaty of adrinople. Romanians paid taxes to the sultan and had Turkish armies until 1877. Stop coping like the Serb. Vlad tepes and besarab families were cumans, not vlach or Slav. Romanian isn’t a real ethnicity.

>>510192014
>paid taxes to Turks
>had Turkish armies until 1867
Serbian autonomy wasn’t real until the west clamoured for it and Russians backed Serb irredentists. Again, Serbia doesn’t exist without Russia and even England.

>>510191954
>like the second balkan war
yeah I'm sure all the rats around us are extremely proud that they were able to defeat us by attacking from all sides to steal land after we beat the ott*man land armies, while the rest were busy jacking off and ethnically cleansing someone else's land

>>510192215
You were retarded back then just like you are retarded now.

>>510182107 (OP)
>fake judeo-masonic war #91259812951
Not my problem.

>>510192166
>Serbian autonomy wasn’t real until the west clamoured for it and Russians backed Serb irredentists.
Sure:
>Again, Serbia doesn’t exist without Russia and even England.
Neither does the Ottoman Empire.

>>510192312
I don't remember asking about the opinion of someone who drowns in the Danube after fleeing one of the best fortresses in the region

>>510192414
Ask yourself this, if the ottomans beat Russia in 1829 do you honestly think Serbian rebels would have stood a chance?

>>510192605
Well they beat you up on their own in 1815-17 with you pleading for peace, beating you again shouldn't have been much of an issue given that even Montenegro managed to crush you on its own. The Principality of Serbia was obviously a bit bigger.

>>510192215
If there's one thing Bulgarians do best it's die, both world wars you were on the wrong side, if the balkan pact was so bad at fighting you'd have done something

>>510192062
>let me teach you about your country.
What a low IQ subanimal you are.
>vlach
An exonym, nothing more. Romanians always called themselves Romanians which is the correct ethnonym.
>Vlad tepes and besarab families were cumans
Proof? Where did you pull this out of, your ass? Most of the kings of Hungary weren't Hungarian either, are they also not a real ethnicity now, according to your logic?

https://ro.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%9Aara_Rom%C3%A2neasc%C4%83

>>510192062
Romanians are Vlachs who seems to be descendants of Dacians

>>510192565
Said the turkish fuck pillow. You allied with the turks and germans in ww1. We were fighting on 3 fronts. Romanians , Serbs and Russians were trying to fight the good fight. But alas fighting allied with slavs is like having a second enemy.
Since the 1300s we fought against the turks, even helping you. But you tatars crumbled and became turkish cock cleaners and had no action against for 500 years. While we romanians had figures like Stephen The Great, Michael the Brave, Vlad the Impaler fighting and impaling the turks. You were a mere minority in your own country with turkish administration and laws. Next time we will side with the turks just for the lulz.

>>510193062
Only nations who actually btfo'd turks were poles and russians though.

>>510191834
>Literal Gringolem from the JEwnited States.

Piss off, Tyrone

>>510192744
>on the wrong side
holy zoinkers, now we'll be cast as the villains in the marvel movie because we didn't join the side that was actively butchering Bulgarian families
>have done something
nigger, only the greedy germs prevented you from losing Solun, since they wanted a larger front to exhaust the Entente
>>510193062
>the good fight
lmao
>Next time we will side with the turks
I have 0 doubts about that

>>510193782
You'll be cast as the losing side for betting wrong everytime!
Germans stopped us from losing salonica? The place that stood with the Entente to begin with, even when Athens didn't?

>>510192714
But you didn’t win anything in 1815-1817, you were less free than Chechnya today in Russia. You paid taxes to the sultan, swore allegiance to the sultan, had Turkish armies up until 1867. Given how you were crushed by ottomans in 1877 after starting a war and Montenegro was crushed in 1862 and would have been easily crushed if war with Russia didn’t happen then you have no strong argument. Did you manage to evict ottoman soldiers by yourselves in between 1861 to 1867? No the western powers forced them out.

>>510192754
>>510192897
Romanian identity was created by the French. Vlach people are basically Latin speaking Greeks. Modern Romanians are a mix of vlach, Slav, gypsy and Turk.

>>510182107 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Pacifico_affair
That's was not independence for Greece. they just got conquered by the ZOG Empire

>>510193981
I think we need a final war of Greeks vs Turks. A war to drvie them back to central asia from where they came from.

>>510193981
are you trying to troll? The Bulgarian army could have marched into Solun way before the fr*nch and anglo went there to reinforce, but the germs decided that the southern front disappearing would mean more troops for the western front so they vetoed it

>>510194415
That's crazy, they sold you down the river and told you it was for strategy, German tacticians known for the schlieffen plan cucked you even though we were on the other side, Bulgarian prestige is going down in fucking smoke

>>510194131
Romanain identity exists since at least the 1567 when the Romanian printer known as Deacon Coresi printed the book called "Molitevnic rumânesc" which means "Rumanian Euchologion." In Brașov.
You have no clue what you're talking about. Post proof for all of your claims. So far you have shown none.

>>510194131
Also vlach is an exonym. The Vlachs living in northern Greece call themselves Aromanian. Just like how Romanians call themselves Romanian and yet you say Romanian is a fake ethnicity, way to contradict yourself you fucking subhuman. Also are you seriously implying Greeks aren't Roman?

>>510194045
>But you didn’t win anything in 1815-1817
K
E
K

>>510194718
Let’s not pretend the majority of Wallachia and Moldavia weren’t literally mostly slavs, cumans and gypsies from 1400 to 1900. Transylvania wasn’t even majority vlach either. Romanians had to reinvent their language after 1880 to be more romance sounding. Yea you are a fake ethnicity.

>>510194532
yes, german military planning is as much of a myth as serbs removing kebab and the lolocaust. Unfortunately, they were the only ones offering a chance to reunite our nation

>>510194781
There was no Serbian state until 1867. You can keep up the nationalism but you were literally less free than the Arizona Apache reservation is from America.

>>510194991
Radovan Karadzic did more kebab removsl than any bulgarian leader in history and its documented.

>>510195106
The indus will always belong to the Mughals. Vacate the thread pajeet.

>>510195062
You lost roach, we won, it's over. Seethe more kek

>>510183961
this. nationalism was just a step in globalization. If /pol/ existed back then they would say that nationalism is globohomo

>>510195062
What? Serbians existed since Nemanjic dynasty since 11-12th century

>>510195062
I mean "no one lies as boldly as a Turk" but still that doesn't deny the basic fact that even the Divan recognized Miloš as the Prince of Serbia and that the hatts of 1829, 1830 and 1833 explicitly mention the state of Serbia. You lost, and lost from Serbian weapons only.

>>510186395
that's france, not germany. You come from prussia and the teutonic order

>>510195062

>>510195169
>Indus
Sindhu.
>Mughals
Uzbeki raperats.

>>510182487
Israel population 6 million
Arab population 800 000 million
The battle results will surprise you cockroach

>>510195386
Its funny how erdogan cries about Israeli invaders while he himself is a central asian invader occupying Greek lands.

>>510190617
This. I hope they all die.
God bless the glorious heroes of Srebrenica.
And whoever else in history partook in killing disgusting turkic subhuman cockroaches.
>>510182487
WE WILL GET YOU, TURKIC SUBHUMAN!

>>510195294
The US recognizes Apache chiefs. Doesn’t change the fact that they are part of America and more independent then Serbs from 1817(fake nationalist independence) to 1867.

>>510182487
that's a lot of kurds

>>510194888
As usual you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. Start posting proof or shut up. The only people here pretending to know anything is you. I gave you proof.
>Let’s not pretend the majority of Wallachia and Moldavia weren’t literally mostly slavs, cumans and gypsies from 1400 to 1900.
Slavs, cumans and gypsiess who started speaking Latin all of a sudden for no reason? Hahaha do you realize how low IQ you sound?
>Transylvania wasn’t even majority vlach either.
Literally in all the official censuses we have Transylvania was overwhelmingly majority Romanian.
>Romanians had to reinvent their language after 1880 to be more romance sounding.
Literally a lie.
>Yea you are a fake ethnicity
More legitimate than a urkoid subanimal who is not even indigenous to Anatolia. The descendants of the Greco-Romans are about as far removed from fake as you can possibly get. Romania is the only legitimate country in the Balkans.

>>510195106
yes, this is why there are now 2 Islamic states on Serb territory, good job

>>510195587
Nafo troons and cuckran came in to help them bomb Serbia. If it was a 1v1, there would be no bosniaks.

>>510195475
But Germans were on the turkish muslim side in Srebrenica.

>>510195676
Ok? I'm not.

>>510195483
Fake or not, your govt recognized it, pulled the Muslims out and limited its jurisdiction to 6 fortresses that had even to apply to gather water outside their walls. Pic related is Milos's coat of arms used in 1819 already, a sign that Serbia is an autonomous entity. The fact that he had an ambassador in Istanbul by that time speaks volumes. Again, no one lies as boldly as a Turk

>>510195676
Not his fault. Germans are controlled by amerimutt. Unless amerimutts aren't finished off, we will all suffer.

>>510195587
We at least tried but couldn't against all nafo cucks

>>510182107 (OP)
>Oh no not muh Naverino
This is probably what the residents were thinking when it happened.

>>510195306
The starting area is 99% outside of France. At best it's Belgium and friends. Let's say we'll call it "Frens".

>>510182487
THIS!

>>510195282
Oh, nonononononononono
kek
Serbs never had a country until generous Russians gave them one hahahahah

>>510196100
Albanians are a fake identity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemanji%C4%87_dynasty

>>510195825
Guess who the president of Chechnya is. Serbs paid taxes to the sultan, swore alleigance to the sultan and had Turkish soldiers in Serbia that could at any time destroyed you. You were not a country then. You were not defacto independent. You started a war in 1876 you were crushed, had to peace out because Russia was sabre rattling Turks to let you off but then still went to war against Turks a few months later.

>>510196213
Serbs are only free because of Russia. Fact.

>>510184263
Truth

>>510195190
You mean Russia won.

>>510196439
Serbs are born warriors and got their independence through their own sheer will. Sure Russia might have helped them but they would have gotten independence anyways. Do not forget that original ottocucks were too weak and they had to steal Serbian boys to form their elite Janissaries. Ottocucks were able to maintain dominance because of Serbian power.

>>510196703
Stopped reading the first line. Serbs were crushed all the time and had to be saved by Russia. See 1877. Serbia wouldn’t have existed if the ottomans won that war against Russia. They humiliated Serbia and this is a fact.

>>510196617
Yes, Russia won too.

>>510196801
No it was entirely their victory that you exist. And England forcing Turkish armies out of Serbia in 1860’s.

>>510196786
What are you smoking? Ottocucks were helped by the French to counter Russia as well and they still lost in the end.

>>510196898
The French and English waged war on the ottomans with the Russians back in 1827. Then they sided with the ottomans in the Crimean war and then went back to siding with Russians and their influence grabbing in the balkans in 1860-1880 then against them with the Japanese in 1906 and then supported them again in ww1.

>>510196870
Nope it's not true you analbanian goat fucker.

>>510185034
>literacy by 1918

>>510197084
Didn't Serbs obliterated Ottomans solo in 1817?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Serbian_Uprising

>>510197111
Who is the president of Chechnya and the supreme commander of Chechen armed forces?

>>510197223
As much as chechens winning the second Chechen war.

>>510197129
Muslim regions the most illiterate kek

>>510197290
Chechens didn't gain independence. Turkroachs lost control over Serb lands

>greece
i dont think so

calling that country greece is a disgrace

>>510197401
Serbs never gained independence until 1861-1867.

>>510196384
You were obliterated in 1817. You weren't allowed to live here anymore, to collect taxes (only be paid once a year by Milos's ambassador to another country). Serbia had formed a government, constitutional laws, offices, and its own army that was stationed in all towns by 1819. Your army was limited to the 6 fortresses and had no interaction with Serbia whatsoever.
You lost.

>>510197129
Turkish literacy in 1918 was 2%. They weren't capable of learning to write themselves, let alone contribute to other peoples. Eternal parasites

>>510197457
Serbia gained independence a lot before analbania.

>>510197457
Could be but they btfo'd ottomans in 1817 and were as good as independent since then
>Serbia's semi-independence was reaffirmed by a Ferman from the Porte in 1830, and in 1835, one of the first constitutions in the Balkans was written in the Principality of Serbia.[9] It introduced the Serbian Parliament on the regular basis and established the Obrenović dynasty as the legal heir to the throne of Serbia.[10] It also described Serbia as an independent parliamentary Principality, which outraged the Ottoman Empire and the Habsburg monarchy.

>>510197462
Stop coping, you were not independent. You paid tribute to the sultan, swore allegiance to the sultan and had Turkish armies in Serbia that could’ve destroy you at any time. You were less of a country than Chechnya is today. You were buckbroken in 1877 and had to be saved by Russians. COPE.

>>510197573
Why do you keep lying?
>>510197562

>>510195386
>thinks theres going to be a battle
put down the bible son

>>510186395
we are in the state we are now because the franks refused to conquer the whole world

>>510197573
Russians weren't present at all in 1817, your administration didn't exist in Serbia anymore, your army was enclosed into reservates, your tax was a tribute of the autonomous republic.
You lost. No one lies as boldly as a Turk.

>>510197562
Not really, chechnaya has no Russian soldiers (maybe I’m wrong desu) and they dont pay taxes to Putin. Chechnya has its own army, and its own president.

Serbia from 1817 (never recognized as even semi autonomous state by sultan until 1829-1830) to 1861-1867 had to pay tribute to the sultan every year, swear allegiance to the sultan and had Turkish armies and bases in Serbia that could crush them at any time. Those armies were forced to leave progressively in 1860’s by the British and French. This isn’t up for debate.

>>510197726
He is a shiptar not a turk.

>>510197831
Same thing

>>510197622
>>510197726
You didn’t kick out any Turks in 1817, stop lying with this. You paid taxes to them, swore fealty and had Turkish armies and bases until the 1860’s. M defacto independence of Serbia began in 1867. Do you not know what defacto means?

>>510190871
>100% this. Most of Greece was linguistically Albanian

dumb gypsy scumbag, nobody in history has ever spoken that rotten language except for Alborats, you dumb gypsy faggot fool.

This myth started when Anglo-homo's landed in Athens during Ottoman Empire times and found 2,000 albo-rats squatting in Athens, as they were the only population, Greeks had fled Athens centuries earlier. Athens was not inhabited again until the late 1800's which is why it was built hastily and without much planning. Dumb Albo-nigger fool.

>>510197816
Kadyrov is Putin's dog. The last chechen leader who went against him (Islam Maskadov or something like that) had an "accident" were his eyes blown out multiple stab wounds and tyre marks on his body. Comparing Serbiain freedom to meme chechen autonomy is intellectual dishonesty.

>>510198019
And yet, chechens don’t pay taxes to Moscow or have Russian troops in their land. Interesting. Can you stop lying about Serbian independence pajeet? They only exist because of Russia, that is not controversial.

>>510197931
>paid taxes
Nope, Serbian citizens paid taxes to the Serbian treasury.

>swore fealthy
Nope, all citizens post 1817 swore fealthy to Milos and received his documents. In fact he brought even more Serbs from what's today Vojvodina and granted them Serbian citizenship.

>Turkish armies
Nope, the Serbian army was formed by 1819 and was the only recognized authority in the province by the Sultan. The six fortresses were legally a foreign territory, which is why they paid taxes to the Serbian treasury when they needed to rotate the garrisons.

You lost.

>>510183428
Western Greeaboism

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philhellenism#Modern_times

>>510198139
>the treasury paid tribute to the sultan
>the prince swore fealty to the sultan
>the fortresses were not foreign territory since all of Serbia was dejure ottoman territory even recognized by the Serbian prince

>>510198195
I have written thesis papers on this, but long story short. Subhumans/browns/muslims/etc hate Greeks/Greece, a fanatical hatred due to inferiority complexes. Europeans, real pure-blood Euro's love Greek people and have excellent experiences when travelling there.

>>510198115
Serbia is an independent country, not even close to chechenya, are you retarded?

>>510197573
do serbians have a racial identity? do they have a history that ties them to the land?
or are they just living on a land someone else lived with literally zero connection to the people who lived there, like greece?

whats weird is in plato he speaks of tartarus, and how there are three judges judging the three races and names one for europe, one for greece and once for asia, but i dont think he was using asia in the sense of britbongs, nor in the sense of chingchongs. id have to read it again its been a while but plato more likely wasnt speaking of the skin, but of the soul of these people.*

*note: when pagans spoke of things in metaphors like this, they didnt literally believe x, it was just a way to facilitate conceptual understanding in normies. even normies are capable of recognizing there are distinct underlying traits to the different races and it isnt simply their skin color that differentiates them

>>510198261
>the treasury paid tribute to the sultan
Yes, autonomous states do that.

>the prince swore fealty to the sultan
Yes, that's how he was recognized as the autonomous prince of Serbia by the Court after 1817.

>the fortresses were not foreign territory since all of Serbia was dejure ottoman territory even recognized by the Serbian prince
Yes they were, the territory of the muhafiz of Belgrade was reduced to the 6 fortresses. There are still remains of their customs house where they paid taxes to the prince of Serbia (called so by the Ottomans as soon as 1819) in Belgrade

>>510198348
>serbia is an independent country
oh you poor, poor, fool. you really have no idea, do you?

>>510198348
Serbia today is independent, not between 1817-1861/1867. Do you even understand the concept of dejure and defacto independence? Serbs never achieve the former till 1878 and the later until 1867. This is literally a fact.

>>510198367
>or are they just living on a land someone else lived with literally zero connection to the people who lived there, like greece?


https://www.science.org/content/article/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

"The Greeks really do have near-mythical origins, ancient DNA reveals
Analysis connects Greeks to the famed Mycenaeans and Minoans"

Modern Greeks are the only group of people in Europe that are the closest to ancient populations. ironically they are hated for this, you mongrel spic subhuman mudslime nigger. You don't like Greece because you will get treated like a street gypsy for going there, they don't like brown people there

>>510198419
Your post is hilarious and pilpul. Serbia was not dejure independent so it was not foreign territory, the prince swore fealty to the sultan and that Serbia was his land. And of course it was not defacto until 1861/1867.

>>510182107 (OP)
There wouldn't be a single Turk in Anatolia if the Battle of Manzikert was won by the Byzantines.
Almost everyone there would be speaking Greek or Armenian, and some Aramaic.

>>510198591
Of course it was, the Sultan's berats itself proclaim him the prince of Serbia and remove every remnant of the Ottoman rule. The fact that the Otttomans keep claiming the country is irrelevant - there was nothing Ottoman in the principality of Serbia remaining by 1819, not even the citizenship of the Ottoman Empire or tax collectors. You simply lost

>>510184569
>no one lies as much as a Turk
I believe it lol, Syrian war was so comfy then they barged into every chat and shit with autistic retard lies and shit followed by a smugness I can only compare to the most modern shilling on this platform

>>510198842
Yeah it became really painful to follow that war once the Erdoganist faggots discovered internet, the amount of fake news, propaganda and wolf porn posting became insane

>>510198759
This is nationalism again. The prince is only the prince because the sultan recognized him as such after losing to Russia in 1829. Treaties are signed by both parties, Serbs obviously were Russian adjacents and their henchmen so any thing they said was law and official like Serbs paying tribute every year, swearing allegiance to the sultan and having Turkish armies in Serbia, oh and Serbia not having defecto independence and being dejure ottoman lands.

Chechnya in 2025 is more of country than Serbia between 1817-1867.

>>510195280
>muh you having your globo is homo
that’s a nice double twist kike. Close but no cigar

>>510198971
The prince was titled as such by the Porte as soon as 1819.
As for the rest of your lies, I'll redirect you to >>510198419
No amount of coping can cover the simple truth that - you lost

>>510198538
>dna tests
and who owns these dna test companies?
who manages these databases?
i think the better question is why do you even need a dna test to tell you? use your eyes you damn fool. athens in its golden age had a population of like 50,000. pick 50,000 of the smartest people in greece today (despite its population being 1000x what it once was). would they have been capable of that?

>>510198115
They do pay taxes to moscow. Chechens come under Federal tax structure of Russia like other oblasts.
>Russian troops in Chechenia
18th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade, a successor unit to the former 42nd Guards Motor Rifle Division. Mostly in Khankala.
You lose.

>>510199163
Complete list for the butthurt diaspora.
Khankala:
This settlement houses the main base, including the headquarters and an airstrip.

Shali:
Contains the 70th Motor Rifle Regiment, 50th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment, and a Separate Tank Battalion.

Grozny:
The capital city, with the 78th Special Motorized Regiment "North-Akhmat", 417th Separate Reconnaissance Battalion, and 150th Separate Anti-Tank Artillery Battalion.

Kalinovskaya:
Houses the 71st Motor Rifle Regiment.

>>510182487
Smelly Turk Roach

>>510182107 (OP)
Spain and Portugal only exists today because of this battle.

>>510199285
>battle of cawabunga
is spain protected by the ninja turtles

>>510195825
a zasto je tamo albansko kece umesto krune?

>>510199404
U pitanju je turban, zato što je Miloš formalno autonomni vladar pod vrhovnom osmanskom vlašću

>>510199163
So they are about as free as Serbia between 1817-1867. I don’t know much about the details of Chechnya but they have their own president and armed forces.

>67 roach posts
This roach is seething

>>510199476
Just doing my victory laps at this point
>Chechen Republic, the
republic’s administration receives less than 500 million rubles. In ad-
dition, 70% of the taxes that are collected go towards the budget of the
Russian Federation. An estimated 40 billion rubles in borrowed funds
have been spent on construction projects in the republic. At the same
time, thousands of citizens of the Chechen Republic continue to reside
in other regions of Russia, as well as further abroad
https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep08066.5?seq=20

Serbs defeated Roaches in 1817 and an Indian defeated a diaspora liar in 2025.

>>510199089
The sultan never recognized the prince until 1829. As for everything else:
>paid tribute
>swear fealty
>had Turkish armies and bases in your land
>was not dejure let alone defacto your territory
You can cope all you want but you were never independent until others gave you independence.

>>510190525
Total roach removal

>>510199115
>pick 50,000 of the smartest people in greece today (despite its population being 1000x what it once was).


Many of the smartest Greeks move abroad to make more money. There are Greeks in every single leading industry in the World, they are possibly overall the #1 most successful immigrant group in American history since they didn't fall into the criminal pitfalls like Italians/Irish and just built up their wealth and status.

>>510199588
You didn’t defeat anything pajeet. India, like Serbia was allowed by others to be independent. Serbs were defeat rebels and then good slaves until 1867. Then they were nearly wiped out in 1877 if Russia didn’t intervene. Fact.

>>510199620
The Porte did as he's addressed the Prince of Serbia as soon as in 1819.
As for the rest, kindly refer to >>510198419 again.
The matter is simple, the Serbs removed you. The Great Powers simply finished the formalities when they realized you were bullshitting about Serbian attacks
You lost

>>510198538
are you not familiar with the 6 degrees of seperation?
with enough data, you can make the data say anything you want it to.
with enough data, you can make anyone be related to almost anyone, anywhere. you can do the same with genes. and who knows genetics better than anyone in the world? helloooo? who would have a motive for saying x is actually y?
you cant honestly believe the kalergi population corraled in the land that once was greece is not distinguishable from the race that used to live there, in skin, in behavior, in intelligence, in every discernable feature, in every subliminal feature. they are not the same, and youd have to be a fool to think so.
did indians create the indian religion? you sound like someone whod fall into that whole aryan, proto-indo-european psyop

>>510189151
They're roaches and don't really exist

>>510194131
>You're a roach just like us
The same cope nafris use when referring to Iberians claiming that everyone is a subhuman like them
You will always be a roach

>>510199779
>that once was greece is not distinguishable from the race that used to live there, in skin, in behavior, in intelligence, in every discernable feature, in every subliminal feature. they are not the same, and youd have to be a fool to think so.


You are a subhuman fool since you have absolutely no idea what Ancient Greece WAS, you dumb nigger. your tiny brain thinks Ancient Greece was a single homogenous population.

In reality Ancient Greece were 20-30 different groups of people that spoke the same language and culture. Are you one of those fools that think Ancient Greeks were all 7 foot tall Nordics with A10 Blue eyes?

>>510182107 (OP)
French naval flag is a white flag.

>>510199476
Their president is Putin and caretaker prime minister is Kadyrov. There is no chechen armed forces which do not report directly to Russian military. So you are wrong on every front.

>>510199769
1829, treaty of adrianople. Sorry but the Porte did not recognize any prince, you were rebels that were to be defeated but Russia won in 1829 so they had to settle for allowing Serbs to think they’re free. Only in 1867 did Serbs get defacto autonomy, do you not understand the different between autonomy (defacto) and semi autonomy (a formality of fake autonomy)? You were destroyed in 1877 and had to be bailed out just like you were going to be destroyed if there was no Greek war of independence and Russia fighting with France and England for Greece and by extension Serbs.

>>510199939
No I would say you’re all gypsies at this point. Youre mutted up and very brown.

>>510199949
Is Greece the most racially diverse ethnos in Europe?

>>510199758
Whatever makes you sleep at night. Fact of the matter is, ottocucks were obliterated by based Serbs in 1817 and Ottocucks never recovered from it and kept losing power ever since.

>>510199700
we get it, youre 'greek'
but youre not.
smart people dont move to make money. smart people know all money comes from jews and would refuse to whore themselves out to jews to deprive others and help to further enslave their own races. theyd just go kill a jew and live in his mansion off the infinite supply of gibs stipened onto the cards in his wallet. go check the onassis mansion, see if theres a smart man living there.

>>510199285
Based dong bros removing muzzies

>>510200071
>Is Greece the most racially diverse ethnos in Europe?

No Italians are, they have 30-35 distinct phenotypes, Greece is around 20. In Comparison Sweden is 1-2 phenotypes/

>>510199666
Absolutely

>>510199989
>did not recognize
Yes they have, they even had his embassy in Istanbul to hold communication.
The rest is the same cope you keep repeating, but it's still wrong.
You lost and were removed de facto in 1817 by the Serbs themselves. It's painful when your ex-colony removes you on its own but please try to understand historical facts

>>510200061
Gypsies are just like roaches scum smelly subhumans

>>510199980
The president of Chechnya is a real position. Now you’re backtracking. This is what your people do. I equated Serbs of 1817-1867 being as free as Chechens or less free, didn’t care since I don’t care for Chechnya or its history. Maybe I should have used Gaza instead, Gaza between 2005-2023 was more of country than Serbia between 1817 to 1867.

>>510200096
Nigga if you were in front of me you would bow your head at my superiority you little midget subhuman spic. I could rip your soul out of your body with a smile and a cup of frappe in my other hand

>>510200074
Saar, if pajeets paid taxes to the king of England, swore allegiance to the king, and had Britishers forces and bases in India would that make India an independent country? That was the entire British Raj retard.

>>510199949
>
>
>You are a subhuman fool since you have absolutely no idea what Ancient Greece WAS, you dumb nigger. your tiny brain thinks Ancient Greece was a single homogenous population.
>
>In reality Ancient Greece were 20-30 different groups of people that spoke the same language and culture. Are you one of those fools that think Ancient Greeks were all 7 foot tall Nordics with A10 Blue eyes?
look at the way the eglin 2.0 reddit spaces twice. that aint normal.
and no, i am not one of those people. i spoke of the races here >>510198367

>>510200199
>backtracking
From what? President of chechens is Putin. Serbia had its own constitution, own parliament, own monarchy and a roadmap for complete independence. Chechens have automomy but that's it. Kadyrov has to report back to Putin.

>>510200357
>look at the way the eglin 2.0 reddit spaces twice. that aint normal.

Do you think glowniggers give a shit about Greece you dumb nigger? They are all Jewish golems

>>510200283
Which turkish base was there in Serbia after 1817?

>>510182107 (OP)
>68 posts by this ID
>words words words words words words words words words
No. Fuck yourself. Total roach death.

>>510182502
>Why would "Jewish globohomo" want to free Greece
idk ask Bibi why he hid out there while Iran bombed his shitty ethnostate back to the stone age.

>>510200217
EVERYONE STFU
A MANLET IS SPEAKING
HE NEEDS ME TO BOW
SO AS NOT TO OFFEND HIS MANLETNESS

>>510200415
yes. yes i do. do you think they dont? lol

>>510200125
Why are you blatantly lying? Turkish armies were all throughout Serbia in the 1820’s, and later after the treaty of adrianple. Paying taxes, recognizing the sultans right to Serbia and having Turkish armies on your soil does not make you independent on a defacto basis. Why are you even saying independent when that’s not what autonomy is which is what all your sources say, actually they just say semi autonomy.

>>510200495
i know why

>>510200283
Also why can't your tiny brain not comprehend that Serbia was in a transitional state to independence while Chechenia is a permanent part of Russia?

>>510200495
>idk ask Bibi why he hid out there while Iran bombed his shitty ethnostate back to the stone age.

Greeks are friendly to Jews, it's that simple. Greeks are world-renown for their hospitality, they are kind to most people, but also the fiercest warriors in the world. Don't believe me?

American Korean War vets talking about Greek fighters in Korean War. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEm9qqBsCIs

Daily reminder Greeks sent 1,000 soldiers to Korea and received over 500 medals. Turks sent 5,000 troops and received 0 medals, they all stayed at base and smoked hash all day. Greeks ran into the most dangerous scenarios, many of those medals are highest American honors possible for a foreigner. Greeks single-handedly swayed WW2 to the allied side and were rewarded with some islands back from Guidos. WW3 will put Greece back into international stage, you niggers will enjoy the show.

>>510200371
The Serbian prince swore allegiance to the sultan. You have a non argument. He was a vassal of the sultan until about 1860’s or so.

>>510200702
>Turkish armies were all throughout Serbia in the 1820’s, and later after the treaty of adrianple.
Nope, they were a part of the separate unit, as has been explained.
Your other concerns have already been addressed, so we can conclude once again that "no one lies as boldly as a Turk".
You lost

>>510200437
Several, some Serb named their fortresses. The truth is that they had more around.

>>510200806
did he pay tribute though?
gold?
women?
..boys?

>>510200864
No we hadn't. Your fortresses were not a part of Serbia and had to pay customs each time they wanted out. Serbia legally annexed them after you chimped out.

>>510182107 (OP)
>white flag for france

cool thread, the new world is super gay in comparison to this stuff

>>510200749
Like the British raj? Serbs were only ever granted semiautonomous status thanks to Russians winning in 1829. If they lost there would have been no Serbia thereafter. Just like there wouldn’t have been a Serb state in 1877 after Serbs begged ottomans for a peace treaty and had Russia threaten war, which they still did a few months after. You lost pajeet

>>510200861
>no one lies as boldly as a turk
that sounds like some shit a jew made up

>>510201003
It's actually been coined by a ruler of Montenegro, Prince-Bishop Peter II Petrović Njegoš

>>510200897
Yes obviously.
>>510200951
Serbia was not dejure independent. It was ottoman territory. It was also not defacto independent hence the use of the word autonomous.

>>510182107 (OP)
I miss monarchy so much :(

>>510201003
>that sounds like some shit a jew made up

Jews historically supported Turks over their ancient rivals, Greeks, but now they are switching sides

>>510201079
Montenegrins are known liars and frauds. They like you, like about your independence and winning wars. Without Russia you wouldn’t exist.

>>510201098
Dejure is not important as no one claimed that. It was de facto independent, yeah. You lost, better luck next time

>>510195306
The Franks were Germanic tribes historically illiterate retard. France is named after them.

>>510201168
Nice to see you still SEETHE over their victories kek. An empire that got raped by a bunch of guys who had to get donations in wheat to survive...

>>510201205
>The Franks were Germanic tribes historically illiterate retard. France is named after them.

That was the Gaul's, wasn't it?

>>510201181
It was not defacto independent, you had Turkish armies that could have wiped the floor with you at any time, Russians also gave you protectorate status in the 1829 until 1856 when they lost in crimea. After that is when ottomans were planning on taking things back hence why western powers forced them out of Serbia in 1860’sz

>>510201312
Gauls were Celtic. The Franks invaded Gaul from Germany.

Turks and the turkish consenquences in balkans were a mistake still felt today

>>510200989
Not only Serbs, Greeks and others buckbroke Ottomans during that time. Sick man of Europe "ottocucks" was reduced to a punch bag by then and kept losing land and power.
>British raj
I like how you shifted goalposts from chechenia to Raj after falling flat on your face. Anyways, the situation of Serbia after 1817 was like situation of Raj after GOI act 1935, British had power just in name but governance was shifted to Indians.

>>510201343
I've already addressed all of that. Come back when you have something more interesting, I always enjoy your lies and misconstructions.

>>510201413
lol look at the OP, like Serbs, Greeks were on the verge of losing before the west and Russia saved them. You don’t know anything. I didn’t pivot, I just used Chechnya as an example since it’s as free as Serbia back then or the Raj. Should’ve have used Gaza instead.

>>510201414
You didn’t, you pilpul your ideas of what independence is.

>>510201560
No more Turkish pies for you diaspora
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=HAwXFwtm-CY
>muh west saved them
Ottocucks were sickman of Europe by 19th century who kept losing to everyone. I am too bored to pull up the list of the wars they were involved but you can go check it out.

>>510201633
That would be you tho, sorry.

>>510201708
So what if they were, Greeks and Serbs would have been destroyed if Russians didn’t involve themselves. Even in their revolution, Russian volunteers (supported by Russia obviously) were in Serbia.

>>510201730
1867 defacto independent
1878 dejure independent

Wikipedia

>>510201874
>Wikipedia
Repeat after me,
KEK
E
K
At least quote the Turkiye Diyanet Vakfi Islam Ansiklopedisi or whatever you use

>>510201806
They wouldn't, Serbs are a warrior race who literally was the backbone of Ottoman military might. They would have ended ottomans in a century or so by themselves even if it was 1v1.

>>510201953
Wikipedia can be fact checked, not like Serbian nationalism in Serbia.

>>510201982
And yet they were crushed in 1877. Explain that pajeet.

>>510201995
Should've known you've graduated from the Wikipedia university. Yet you failed to read the rest

>>510202072
>tribute
>fealty
>armies
That’s defacto independence somehow learn to argue kid

>>510202034
>crushed in 1877
Lets see what actually happened in 1877 war
>Establishment of the Principality of Bulgaria
>Independence of Romania, Serbia and Montenegro from the Ottoman Empire
Kars and Batum oblasts become part of the Russian Empire, Britain occupies >Cyprus, Austria-Hungary occupies Bosnia
>Russian annexation of Southern Bessarabia from Romania, Romanian annexation of Northern Dobruja
Greek annexation of Thessaly and Arta
What grade of copium are you consuming my friend?

>>510202142
>kid
Zoomer found kek
Your statements have already been deboonked. You will have to try harder

>>510202285
lol what Serbs were defeated and begged for a treaty then Russians went to war a few months later, then Serbs again went to war. Russians won the second war for them; they lost the first won which they started. You lost.>>510202285

>>510202303
The sultan never recognized the prince before 1829. The Porte giving some fake guarantees to a rebel which they renegged is not independence. Ottoman armies were still in Serbia in 1817 to 1867

>>510201079
jewish nobility probably

>>510202629
The Porte was the grand vizier.

>>510202629
The Porte recognized Milos as soon as 1819, addressing him as prince. He got his own coat of arms, the one that I showed before.

>Ottoman armies were still in Serbia in 1817 to 1867
No they haven't as explained before

>>510202655
Makes sense for a bishop

>>510201148
>Ransom
dont hear that word enough
its overdue for a comeback

>>510202490
Mate stop creating your own head canons
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Serbian%E2%80%93Ottoman_War

>Serbiadeclared war on the Ottoman Empire on 30 June 1876. A Serbian offensive to the South and the West was repulsed by Ottoman troops after just three weeks of fighting, upon which then invaded Serbia proper. >EasternSerbiawas quickly occupied, but on the southern front the Serbian army successfully stopped the Ottoman advance, defending the fortified positions aroundAleksinacfor more than two months.

>>510202777
The sultan did not recognize until Russia forced it sorry. The ottomans were never evicted from Serbia until the 1860’s at the behest of the west, not even Russia.

>>510202830
Read the whole article pajeet and not the first line. Serbs lost.

>>510202858
Yes he did, the Porte is not some sort of separate authority. The Porte is the one issuing all legal documents in the name of the sultan since the time of Mehmed the Conqueror.
You lost

>>510202858
Its not about when Ottomans were evicted, its about Serbian nationalism btfo'ing ottomans. We are diverting from main point.

>>510202925
The grand vizier giving fake assurance to rebels to stop chimping isn’t the same as the sultan giving recognition. You did not evict the ottomans in the entire “revolution”.

>>510201098
there can be tactical purpose for bending the knee, never read game of thrones?
paying tribute in young boys tho, thats full blown jewish slave trade shareholder status

>>510202965
Just like Indian nationalism right Saar? You couldn’t force the British out either. The British only left because America told them too

>>510203014
It is a recognition if he's bestowing symbols of the state, addresses it official (as preserved in a muhimme defter for archival purpose) as a "prince of Serbia" etc.
You lost.

>>510203024
Yes but they also paid tribute and had armies in there waiting for the perfect moment to take them out but they couldn’t geopolitics be damned. When Serbs had the opportunity to invade themselves they lost and begged for a treaty in early 1877. Then the Russians declared war; Serbs then declared war after a few months of the Russians in the same year they begged for a treaty. The point is that Serbs would not exist without the Russians.

>>510203103
There was no treaty between the sultan and Serbs no matter how you pilpul it Serbs only became a limited autonomy with no defacto power in 1829 and then defacto power in 1867.

>>510203064
>Just like Indian nationalism
When did I say that? Anglos had their problems but they weren't tyrants like ottocucks.
>you couldn't force out british either
We didn't have to, British left because India wasn't profitable anymore. Also they did some good as well, we got to learn plenty of stuff regarding administration and military traditions in the meantime.

>>510203256
There was a bunch of them, Milos had a dedicated "Turkish office" that communicated with the Porte and other regional nobles (when he supported the Bosniaks and the Albanians with money and guns)
You lost