In an official statement, Captain Sam Thomas, President of Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) India, said, "We feel that the investigation is being driven in a direction presuming the guilt of pilots, and we strongly object to this line of thought."

The association expressed surprise at the “secrecy surrounding these investigations” and questioned the qualifications of those involved. “We are reiterating the fact that suitably qualified personnel are not taken on board for these crucial investigations,” the statement read.

The pilots’ body also flagged a Wall Street Journal report published on July 10 that referred to the inadvertent movement of fuel control switches — a critical issue highlighted in the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) report. “How did this information reach them?” the statement asked, referring to the article.

The AAIB’s preliminary findings revealed that both fuel control switches of the Boeing 787 aircraft were flipped from “RUN” to “CUTOFF” within seconds of take-off from Ahmedabad on June 12, leading to engine shutdown. The cockpit voice recorder captured one pilot asking, “Why did you cut off the fuel?” and the other responding, “I did not do so.”

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/pilots-association-flag-presuming-guilt-direction-of-air-india-ahmedabad-crash-report-2754840-2025-07-12

Historical Precedents: TransAsia Airways Flight 235 (2015): A pilot shut down the wrong engine after a single-engine failure, causing a crash that killed 43. This was a clear human error under stress, not intentional. According to ICAO data for the previous decade, human errors caused 53 per cent of aviation accidents, often during critical phases like takeoff.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31162351

poo on the controls made them slippery so the pilot accidently manipulated both fuel cutoff switches instead of leaving them alone.

>>510197074
I look forward to the day Skynet takes over. Literally every commercial and military plane (AI piloted by then) in the air across the whole planet will nosedive simultaneously.

Combined with all the cars crashing, and who knows, maybe even some nukes going off, it's going to be beautiful.

>>510197746
poor poo panicked

Good to see /pol/ covering for Boeing which clearly had a fuel switch error highlighted by FAA in a 2018 report. Shilling for American corps is all 4chan is good for nowadays anyway.

Dude really killed them all over a fuck up

>>510196173 (OP)
Did saars really start with fuel turned off?
This just sounds ridiculous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD64uYK926o

>>510198168
Yeah, yeah, Ranjesh, okay calm your tits.

>>510196173 (OP)
pilot associations will ALWAYS insist it wasn't pilot error. they exist to protect egos

>>510196173 (OP)
>>510198168


https://s3.archive.party/preservetube/Q6ZfV6v33Hk.mp4

>>510198241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ooqCuRoU8
New video already. Seems like one of them accidentally shut off the fuel

>>510198291
that's one hell of an accident to pull off

>>510198168
The fuel switches have a mechanical lock, they can't turn themselves off without someone physically lifting it

>>510198288
what are they saying

Reminder that over half of Indian pilots were found to have faked their certification in some way.

>>510198168
Perhaps, but Indian incompetence is somehow more likely than Corpo corruption. It makes it an easy sell.

>>510198291

https://s3.archive.party/preservetube/00ooqCuRoU8.mp4

>>510198370
The flight recording literally has the pilot ask the co-pilot "did you turn of the fuel swicth" to which co pilot responded with a "no I did not" but please defend Boeing that clearly didn't assassinate whistle blowers and clearly isn't paying media to highlight the negative.

>>510198472
one of the pilots put the controls in off position

mental health of the pilots will probably play a big role in the final report, a year from today

>>510197847
Democrats are the reason why there are not enough talent in America

>>510198611
If there is even the faintest possibility that something can be fucked up, pajeets will find a way to do it.

>>510196173 (OP)
These jeets look like child molesters

>>510198168
didn't they found the panel with the switches?
if they did and the switches were in cut off, that's not an electrical failure

>>510198756
corporate HR is not without the blame here

please come to US and work for pajeets

the level of desperation required from employees to participate in this nonsense prevents anybody with any options from participating

>>510197074
this time one of the jeet shut down both engine "accidentally" without any good reason
also why is poo pilot association president lil timmy not pradeep poojet (brahmin)?

>>510198611
Bro but what if Boeing is covering it up? What if your plane goes down and there is no jeet around like the Korean Air or the Southwest flight? These Boeing cunts are clearly out here wrecking anyone who speaks against them.

>>510198712
yeah, he said he didn't, because he thought he was flipping some other switches instead lol

>>510199054
Nah

>>510198168
how the fuck do you confuse fuel knob for flaps

>>510199416
that's not proving or disproving if the panel was being found. Also the construction of the switches prevent them from being flipped from high g's, so if they're ever found, that will be definitive prove

>>510196173 (OP)
Indians are incapable of accepting blame for anything. They will always deflect and weasel out of the consequences of their fuckups.

>>510199416
>What the fuck, Ranjeet? Why did you cut off the fuel????
>I dindu nuffin saar

"why did you cut off the fuel"

"I did not do so"

"yes you did I just saw you"

"no I didn't, I just began cabin pressurization"

"those are the fuel switches you dalit!"

"this is still your fault you are the captain!"

>>510199784
Worse than a jew. Like a jew with a whole lot of nigger

>>510199434
>>510199531
>>510199873
>shilling for Boeing intensifies
>muh Boeing massa dindu nuffin

>>510200119
my post was very neutral. You're the retard here. As expected from saar

>>510196173 (OP)
>we strongly object
You can object all you want
Facts don’t care about your fee-fees
It’s a done deal one of the poojeets intentionally switched off the fuel
The only q that remains is: suicide or incompetence

>>510196173 (OP)
I'd think the fuel shutoff would have a safety mechanism in it.

>>510200642
It does

>>510197847
educating the plebs is dangerous because then they begin asking funny questions.

>>510200119
ok, after watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ooqCuRoU8
it's pretty clear what happened
saar decided to suicide and take 300 people with him. Non Christians shouldn't be pilots

>>510200827
tech careers are only for autists who can be easily manipulated and do not mind infinite jeets

hope AI will change that as the autists are incapable of using it - poos and jews only for now

>>510201006
poos do not suicide, he simply fucked up on a scale incomprehensible to a human being
lying about it and abandoning any norms of humanity seems like a no big deal in that situation

religions that endorse lying should not be allowed to be responsible for other people lives


| Religion | Lying Permitted? | Examples of Justified Circumstances |
| ------------ | ---------------- | -------------------------------------------------- |
| Islam | Yes | War, reconciliation, marital harmony |
| Judaism | Yes | Saving life, peacekeeping, kindness |
| Christianity | Debated | Protecting others (e.g., Rahab), but controversial |
| Hinduism | Yes | Upholding dharma, preventing harm |
| Buddhism | Rarely | Compassionate intent to reduce suffering |
| Sikhism | Rarely | Justice or protecting the weak (case-dependent) |

>>510201006
poos do not suicide, he simply fucked up on a scale incomprehensible to a human being
lying about it and abandoning any norms of humanity seems like a no big deal in that situation

religions that endorse lying should not be allowed to be responsible for other people lives

>>510198611
I mean, either way it's jeet pilots or jeet H1B engineers.

>>510201725
Highly likely but where do you get the idea that they don’t commit suicide? 28% of global suicides are Indians. Sometimes entire families hang themselves. It wasn’t until recently that suicide was considered part of funeral arrangements.

>>510201928
India (12.4/100k) is above the global average.

It’s close to U.S. and OECD averages, though higher than many wealthy nations.

Still well below the top-ranking countries, which can exceed 70+ per 100k.

>>510198610
Happens in all industries unfortunately. Multiple Indian colleges have been caught handing out thousands of degrees without the person attending a single class.
And considering how much of a failure they are at bringing justice to anything there, it really wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are multiple times worse than they claim.

>>510202106
and who allows these nincompoops to attain positions of power in the west? HR policies designed by jews? this is how the unholy alliance between jeets and joos has been created

>>510200117
...or like women.
Jeets are the most feminized men in the world, no wonder they all act the way they do.

>>510199873
>TRIPLE CAUTION ON THE FUEL CONTROLS
>LISTEN TO ME SAMIR YOU ARE CRASHING THE PLANE

>>510196173 (OP)
This just in - I swear I didn't change this

>>510203146
I am handling 5 other calls at the moment, will get back to you ASAP

Why India Loves Scrum

https://www.cio.com/article/251027/why-india-loves-scrum.html

>>510203313
link
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/former-pilot-says-air-india-pilots-not-to-blame-for-loss-of-power-to-engines/vi-AA1IsVsv?

>>510202294
>HR policies designed by jews?
Effectively. Everyone in America who has any shred of position on a hierarchy of some sort wakes up every day and asks
>How can I increase my compensation while lowering my accountability?
For HR that means looking at "credentials." HR doesn't care to ensure that the credentials correspond to some objective skill that exists in reality, that's beyond what they're capable of anyway, the important part is to have some piece of "proof" that bad hires aren't their fault. You only get minor credit for a good hire, since most of that goes to the hire. You can't get bad credit for missing a good hire because nobody ever finds out that they would've been a good hire. But you can get heavily penalized for letting a bad hire through, therefore they maximize insulation from accountability for bad hires.

And a bachelor's from Sukdeep University is just as good for that as any degree from Yale or Harvard.

>>510200203
when 737max decided to hit the ground first time also pilots were blamed - you probably know how that turned out (responsible decissionmakers bought their get out of jail cards with company money and almost everyone lived happily ever after... )

>>510198712
>The flight recording literally has the pilot ask the co-pilot "did you turn of the fuel swicth" to which co pilot responded with a "no I did not"

A new theory is that the pilot who asked why did you cut off the fuel was actually the one that did it and was framing the other pilot on the cockpit voice recording. This way his family can always believe it was the other pilot who killed them.

>>510196173 (OP)
>Sam Thomas, President of Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) India

>>510204543
what if the other pilot replied with "you just did"?
I don't think this holds water

>>510204728
Campbell Wilson - CEO of Air India


>>>/wsg/5918393

>>510196173 (OP)
Benchode!

>>510204543
>>510204910
>>510201928

what if they cooperated and left a false trail for us to digest? we don't even know who was talking on the recording.

>>510198712
Get out of my country

>>510196173 (OP)
>cit corners cuz white trash
>planes start crashing
>oy vey brown people did that
>also wipoopoo: This advisory was prompted by reports indicating that fuel control switches on some Boeing 737 aircraft were installed with their locking feature disengaged. The locking feature is crucial in preventing unintended or accidental movement of the switches. If disengaged, factors like vibration, inadvertent touch, or other elements could potentially shift the switches, leading to unexpected consequences, such as an in-flight engine shutdown.

>>510196173 (OP)

The jews are weaponizing the jeets to destroy the White race.

https://merip.org/2023/09/india-israel-and-the-coordination-of-control

There is an israeli based Qahal that coordinates with all the thousands of jew NGO's in the west like AIPAC and their billionaire donors/members, jew politicians, Blackrock, Vanguard, Slate Street Capital, etc.

This is why you're seeing jeets everywhere, why every company is outsourcing to india or replacing their workforce with indians, and why every CEO is indian, Blackrock and Vanguard is putting pressure on these companies to outsource to India, import Indian workers, and appoint Indian CEO despite the fact that it is not profitable and screws over the domestic population.

99% of jobs are about to be replaced by AI and automation, first will be coders and engineers, then customer service (80% of America's GDP revolves around customer service at this point). Not a single jeet is need in the west. They're being used as a bioweapon by the jew to destroy the west.

King jew netanyahu sets the agenda and they see it through. Obviously the agenda is to demographically replace us. Jeets are their golum.

https://www.freiheit.org/south-asia/india-outs-its-israel-affair
https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/imec-firmly-places-india-on-the-global-connectivity-map-2682824
https://jacobin.com/2023/06/hostile-homelands-india-israel-colonialism-palestine-kashmir
https://thebulletin.org/2022/04/israel-long-exported-arms-to-india-now-its-selling-spyware-too
https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/negotiations/aifta/australia-india-comprehensive-economic-cooperation-agreement
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-india-australia-interim-trade-agreement-and-fta-7772210
https://www.reuters.com/business/india-australia-close-sealing-early-trade-pact-indian-minister-says-2022-02-11
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-australia-to-sign-interim-trade-deal-on-goods-and-services-by-march-end-101647792780293.html

>>510205988
lol you’re country, pablo? Kys

>>510206088

yeah but how probable is it that BOTH switches got flipped exactly at the same time

>>510198168
GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>510199406
>He thought.
These pilots were airforce vets and were flying same aircraft from many years.

>>510206424
>BOTH switches got flipped exactly at the same time

It was not at the same time. There was a separation of 1 sec between which is consistent with one person using one hand to flip one switch then the other.

>>510196173 (OP)
This was predicted by jews months ago,the plane crashes
>israel is behind it

>>510198712
>saaar the sar said he did NOT do the needful
Shut the fuck up. Any of us who have had the misfortune to work with/alongside you Subcontinentals knows full fucking well that this is par for the course.

>jeet fucks something up
>hapless Whites ask wtf happened
>jeet pleads ignorance
Tale as old as time.

>>510206137
>The jews are weaponizing the jeets to destroy the White race.
>https://merip.org/2023/09/india-israel-and-the-coordination-of-control
>There is an israeli based Qahal that coordinates with all the thousands of jew NGO's in the west like AIPAC and their billionaire donors/members, jew politicians, Blackrock, Vanguard, Slate Street Capital, etc.
Absolute best post. Thank you, fren.

>>510198168
Oh look its the currynigger who's shitting up NZ and defending his inbred incompetent cousins
Hope you get doxxed like pratyuksh

>>510204407
watch the second vid of that captain
the switches were turned off and then on again, but it was too late
this wouldn't have happened on accident

>>510200119
They did something wrong: they hired pajeets.

It's India, where are they going to find qualified anyone

>>510208968
diploma mill

>>510206137
Anybody who could oppose this insanity has been constructively dismissed already. The rest of the employees pretend to venerate the leadership qualities of their jeet ruling class.

Just watch this video, it is clear who runs this company, the interviewer is a VP officially reporting to the CEO:

>>>/wsg/5913953

bump

have you guys listened to the cockpit reocrding from Air India 171?
it gives great details about why the plane crashed and what happened in the minutes before the crash.

https://vocaroo.com/1bc7pr58N5wq

>>510206424
within one second. Which is exactly the time it takes to do both switches manually, intentionally.
It's completely clear that this was suicide / murder or whatever you want to call it.

Also the voice ask "why did you shut them down". He clearly saw the action in his peripheral view.

>>510206887
>Shut the fuck up. Any of us who have had the misfortune to work with/alongside you Subcontinentals knows full fucking well that this is par for the course.
This will need to be addressed at some point. Pretending, based on outward appearances, they are like us is a recipe for a national suicide no matter what kikes say.

>>510198712
Literally share the audio file you literally heard

Oh wait you’re literally a street shitting retarded faggot who literally just wants his nursery rhyme to work
>hurrr hurrr if it Boeing I’m not going hurrrrr

Your IQ is literally tragically low. Kill yourself but unlike your faggot shit fingered cousin, leave others out of it, yea?

>>510211835
1 second to turn them off yet 4 seconds to turn them on?

No more information on the cabin audio? Don't they start fighting to death? Was it the switch that went to Off or was it the fuel valve that registered on the blackbox?

What about recent AirIndia 315, same plane model, fuel filter went red?

Claiming pilot suicide is the most convenient for nearly everyone involved.

>>510196173 (OP)
> SAARRR IT WAS NOT THE GLORIOUS INDIAN PILOTS WHO DESERVE BIG SEX YOU BLODDY BENCHID FUCKING

>>510198712
Why can’t it be both things you small minded bobblehead?

>>510213770
shouldn't turning engines on/off be accompanied by an audio alert, like a chime

hey something is turning engines off, attention

my phone is alerting with all kinds of shit, but turning fuel off is not a very interesting event even if the aircraft s not grounded

>>510213244
>No more information on the cabin audio?
yeah, we need the full audio. they mention the engines being switched off, but then didn't mention them at all again? no "hey, they're off" or "switching them back on" or "omg, what have you done??".

>>510213770
shouldn't turning engines on/off be accompanied by an audio alert, like a chime

hey something is turning engines off, attention

my phone is alerting with all kinds of shit, but turning fuel off is not a very interesting event even if the aircraft is not grounded

>>510215407
pajeet logic

A newly released preliminary report may finally shed light on what went wrong. Spoiler alert: it's great news for Boeing. Early findings suggest the mid-air disaster was not due to a mechanical flaw in the engines, but likely the result of human error.

The report does not explain why the switches were flipped and points to no mechanical issues or bird strike. It does, however, suggest a focus on the pilots' actions. The first officer was flying at the time.

As we've previously noted, this marks the first-ever hull loss of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner since the aircraft entered service in 2011.

At the Paris Air Show, one of the aerospace industry's biggest events, held about a week after the crash, Boeing kept a low profile while the investigation into Flight 171 was ongoing.

Shawn Pruchnicki, a former airline accident investigator and aviation expert at Ohio State University, told The New York Times: "For example, on the 787 and probably more airliners these days, the switches themselves — you can't shut them off without actually lifting them up. So there's a little mechanical gate built into the switch — you have to lift it up over this little gate. So you can't just bump it."

The good news for Boeing is that the investigation is pointing toward human error as the contributing factor in the crash.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fuel-switches-manually-set-cutoff-during-air-india-flight-171-crash-killed-260

Has the full audio log been released??

It's like they're hiding something.

>>510217006
yes see >>510211472

This is the real cause of the crash and something they'll never admit to. Terminal white cock craziness at the worst possible time.

>>510217006
>>510217302

It is interesting how the fake recording was used to divert attention form the fact the audio has not been released. Great job.

So they question becomes what didn't they want us to hear? Is it in English? Switching languages can be confusing. Could be a great test citizenship. If you are using other languages too much, maybe you are not ready to be a citizen?

>>510217319

There must be something in the audio they didn't release about this.

>>510217732
is so unlikely that one of them flips the engines back on without saying a word about it.

>>510217732
its not a fake recording

What would be worst for Air India?

a) Airplane failure
b) One pajeet did it by accident
c) One pajeet did it on purpose

?

>>510218021
You are right, it is a joke and works even better than a fake recording. Nobody is trying to look for discrepancies so nobody minds the real audio has not been released. A great limited hangout.

>>510218463
By accident. They will have no defense.

BTW why airplanes do come with breathalyzers? Some cars have one. What about voice analysis? Is the pilot nervous?

>>510218463
By accident. They will have no defense.

BTW why airplanes do not come with breathalyzers? Some cars have one. What about voice analysis? Is the pilot nervous?

>>510218684
the pilot union doesn't want anything like cameras.

>>510218871
>>510218799

pilots fly wasted, this job is a dread

>>510198168
Chink or jeet? Either way get the fuck out of NZ you subhuman faggot.
Everyone with half a brain noticed that all the muh boeing niggers are brown or black or yellow, but rarely white.
>Indonesian pilot doesn't know the runaway trim checklist
Why did Boeing make such a fragile system?
>Nigger pilot doesn't notice he's going 400 knots and exceeding even the airframe rated vmax, let alone flight control authority limits
The poor stressed pilot, why didn't Boeing do something?
>Jeet cuts off fuel instead of raising gear because he's retarded
It's gotta be Boeing! They totally built the electrics wrong, even though the switches were physically in the CUTOFF position after the crash. Look, my hero John Barnett said so!

>>510217826
You'll never know. I don't trust my fellow Baljeets to do it right. They will sit on the final report, say it is 3 years away and then brush it under the carpet. That's an absolute guarantee.

>>510219711
Good morning Ausfailian.

>>510196173 (OP)
Why would anyone listen to an Indian?

>>510218943
>>510218871


https://preservetube.com/watch?v=WYpZMlfTTfo


https://s3.archive.party/preservetube/WYpZMlfTTfo.mp4

>>510218943
>>510218871

This is a video recording from the initial minutes of the flight. That's why they didn't release the audio.

https://preservetube.com/watch?v=WYpZMlfTTfo


https://s3.archive.party/preservetube/WYpZMlfTTfo.mp4

>>510220127
Great question. I assume it is mostly because of their leadership skills that they get promoted so frequently for. It is never for ass kissing.

You can see it at play in this thread

>>510209809

>>510196173 (OP)
>journalists found out the truth
>nooo saaar dont listen saar
>how they know saar

>>510198168
Jeets are so subhumanly incompetent, they managed to crash a state of the art 787 which has NEVER crashed in its 2 decades history.

What if the two pilots were playing dare?

Indian version of the Epstein files, audio recording from the crash. We may learn something about them.

>>510221102
Like shit colored kikes

>>510221357
Doesn't prevent the Wall Street jews to convince everybody how great leadership skills the jeets have. The jews might not be able to explain what those are without mentioning holocaust. Maybe they should stop telling us who can run our country?

>>5910974

>>510221357
Doesn't prevent the Wall Street jews to convince everybody how great leadership skills the jeets have. The jews might not be able to explain what those are without mentioning holocaust. Maybe they should stop telling us who can run our country?

>>>/wsg/5910974

Corporations are people!

>>510198046
It's not going to happen

>>510222316
famous last words

>>510223938
please listen >>510211472

>>510215392
The whole thing happens in like 36 sec. They got 36 sec in the air from lift off to crash. The switches got flipped as soon as take off. The other guy noticed the fuel getting cut off after like 7 sec, ask the question, then flip them back on, try to right the plane, and call mayday. He might not even have time to continue the conversation.

>>510196173 (OP)

their final words were 'SAAR I LUB IJRAEL !!!'

>>510225059
>The whole thing happens in like 36 sec
What were they talking about before taking off? Can we listen to the audio or is going to be like Epstein files?

>>510225059
>got 36 sec

the switches were flipped 3 seconds after taking off the rest is trying to restart them. given the circumstances should it be it at least a bit more complicated during a lift off? A confirmation under all circumstances where the flight status is normal should be required.


The take-off clearance was issued at 08:07:33 UTC. The aircraft started rolling at 08:07:37 UTC.
As per the EAFR data, the aircraft crossed the take-off decision speed V1 and achieved 153 kts IAS at 08:08:33 UTC. The Vr speed (155 kts) was achieved as per the EAFR at 08:08:35 UTC. The aircraft air/ground sensors transitioned to air mode, consistent with liftoff at 08:08:39 UTC.
The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off.

>>510225059
>got 36 sec

The switches were flipped immediately after taking off, the asshole timed it well to avoid the first pilot's attention. Given the circumstances should turning fuel off be it at least a bit more complicated during a lift off? A confirmation under all circumstances where the flight status is normal should be required.


The take-off clearance was issued at 08:07:33 UTC. The aircraft started rolling at 08:07:37 UTC.
As per the EAFR data, the aircraft crossed the take-off decision speed V1 and achieved 153 kts IAS at 08:08:33 UTC. The Vr speed (155 kts) was achieved as per the EAFR at 08:08:35 UTC. The aircraft air/ground sensors transitioned to air mode, consistent with liftoff at 08:08:39 UTC.
The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off.

>>510198124
I don't think he panicked. He simply did a thing without considering the consequences. I'm reminded of a trainee (not me) who put a share registry out of commission by wandering into the server room and unbolting the critical RAID array from its front assembly. Why? because it was there. Protip: don't leave tools in server rooms.

>>510196173 (OP)
the most realistic scenario is boeing being faulty and they try to blame it on the pilots

>>510227786
What makes that more realistic?
Boeing is probably DEI throughout the organization.
The communists did a great job with that shit.

>>510227786
a bump during the takeoff flips switches off

Did BOEING ever tested at any of the poo airports?

>>510198793
It's the streetshitter special

>>510228231
there is a decent amount of sociopaths as well. Don't ask me how I know.

>>510198168
It was switched off than on again. So it's implausible that's the error.

>>510196173 (OP)
>"why did you turn off the fuel"
>"I didn't"
then crash?
Why the fuck didn't they just turn it back on? The fuck?

>>510228426
They did, they were off for 10 seconds and the engines take time to wind up.

>>510198793

A desire of every pajeet is to prove Murphy's law.

"Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

How many things a pajeet can fuck up? Their skill is to avoid being blamed for even the biggest clusterfuck.

>>510199378
I've unironically disembarked from flights where i notice a brown flight crew boarding, it's why i'm still alive, in fact. Aeroplanes were developed by and for White Men. It never crossed the minds of Men designing them that one day niggers and shitskins would be up the pointy end.

>>510228281
>bump during the takeoff flips switches off
Can't, they're mechanically locked when set in position.

>>510228395

The switches were not locked and a sharp take off bump flipped them off?

>>510228281

>>510228731
>>510228703

>>510228551
10 seconds, how the fuck do you not immediately at the loss of fuel, turn it the fuck back on? WHAT THE FUCK

>>510228703


How do you know they were locked and the mechanism engaged. Maybe the switches are sensitive to lube on pilot's hands?

>>510228731

>>510228600
Do you just eat the cost or have some sort of flex ticket that lets you change?

>>510228866
>How do you know they were locked and the mechanism engaged
Because the mechanism can't engage if it's unlocked. Interlock.

>>510228339
The only way to get to the top with hr full of females is through unnecesary conflict.
Don't ask me how I know.

>>510228600
They will call you racist
but they won't say you're wrong

>>510228793
They didn't know until the first pilot checked. They started dealing with a situation they were never trained for. The aircraft performs actions on its own. Did the AI got upgraded recently? Were they being tested and failed?

>>510228793
That and the speed they turned off (1 second apart) is why the preliminary suspicion is suicide.

1 of them turned off both lines simultaneously then feigned ignorance about it.

>>510229029
I believe you. The ladies gave us pajeets.

>>510229077
Fuel lines are not controlled by software.

>>510229160
Maybe they are now. An improvement somebody got promoted for. Is it hard to imagine that pajeets would consider this an improvement and not even mention this to the pilots.

Oh, btw, the fuel switch is software controlled now to help the autopilot. There should be no differences. Make sure during the take off they stay in place.

>>510229426
>Maybe they are now
No. There's no maybe about it. It's two mechanical switches.

>>510199406
he accidentally switched 2 of the same switches ?unlikely

>>510229651
>>510229653

> Guarded brackets prevent accidental movement.

Maybe before WW2, grandpa. Have you heard of insurance companies? They don't require better regulations.

>>510229929
If the switch falled how'd they get turned on again after 10 and 13 seconds?

>>510196173 (OP)
>ALPA
India has ALPA? What the fuck?

>>510202103
>than many wealthy nations.
you mean diversified nations

>>510227786
this company dint fix ac on their planes. has a poor maintance track reader. jeets are famous for face saving culture and not admiting guilt and not wanting to be the first to talk. it honestly could go either way. corrupt bankrupt corpo or idiot cheaper labor incompetant jeet.

>>510232994
>it honestly could go either way
Well no, we have the blackbox. One of them switched off both engines.

>>510198712
I'll be looking into the switch design next week to see if there really is an issue or not just in case. It's possible there is a mechanical issue (spring strength, etc.), but FAR more likely to be user error.

This is also a preliminary report, shit will get mulled over for a year before the final report comes out with WAY more detail.

>>510199531
Panel was recovered from the wreckage. Switches did survive in the up position pilots left them in after fuck up, so unlikely that the switches failed because they survived a literal crash where they were left.

>>510200642
It's dual redundant with an APU backup, but it's not a idiot resistant like small aircraft where you have a selector that does L-Both-R and you have to rotate 180 to hit off. You need to be able to cut fuel off for engine fire, so it's got to exist.

You can only protect against incompetence so much, new better idiots are made each year and you will lose the arms race against idiots, they outnumber you.

>>510196173 (OP)
Why did you redeem the cutoff?!

>>510230953
More pacified. They are not looking to share power and let the government do whatever.

Somebody needs to start making stink about it. We are being pushed by the government into an uninsurable reality. Why there aren't any laws against it.

>>510213244
The black box records the switch state, but engines are always laggy in response to inputs. There is a little delay between actions and engine response, and displays also have a bit of delay. Spool up time, spool down time, time for the last bit of fuel to squirt through the lines & injectors. That 4 seconds is about right to have the engines react, displays update and aircrew go "oh shit" from the displays and turn it back on.

>>510230058
are you familiar with the difference between lock and close? the switches were closed but not locked. The takeoff bump opened them. How is it impossible?

>>510234155
shitty design. wonder where it originated

>>510197847
Such a jewish inversion of reality:
> School educated citizens of a first world country?
Brain dead retards
> Inbred retards from a literal rape-filled landfill?
Rocket surgeons

>>510226944
>Given the circumstances should turning fuel off be it at least a bit more complicated during a lift off?
Engineering does not assume suicidal pilots in any analysis. Because you can just shove the aircraft attitude nose down and crash whenever the fuck you want. Amongst thousands of other options in these cockpits that lead to suicide.

We protect against single fuck ups. Not dual fuck ups and suicides. These were protected, locked switches. You have to deliberately move them to do the action. A bump won't move them, they literally survived a CRASH in the same position they were left in.

Incompetence can be protected against with training. India is always suspect for this due to their scam culture, but they probably take aviation pretty seriously because the US makes them behind the scenes. So this is probably suicide.

>>510234461
the ruling class promotes jeets - heavily

this is becoming cartoonish

>>>/wsg/5913953

some have to pretend this jeet is a great leader
he still needs handolding and could not go by himself on 60 minutes when the Solarwinds clusterfuck unwound.

>>510227786
Unlikely. Crash report shows a photo of the center console recovered, switches were exactly where they were supposed to be per flight recorder. Bad switches would be in the down position (unless they messed with them) for the photo.

The wrecked switches will definitely get the full monte destructive inspection for the final report. They will be sure to rule out any and all causes from mechanical switch failure since it is central to this case. If ANYTHING is found, expect 787s to get grounded until the issue is fixed.

>>510197074
jeets can NEVER admit when they fuckup. this was a worldwide humiliating event for them and they will do everything possible except responsibility. just like the jeet who flipped the switches claimed just before his death, i did not do so.

>>510233849
>but FAR more likely to be user error.
The user error was to trust the plane.
The plane doesn't need pilot input and can perform actions that could kill everybody on board. The pilot did not spot them fast enough.

>>510228866
These aren't standard switches like you have in your light switch at home. These are held in place by a spring and have a little gate you have to jump. So you must pull the switch out, transition it, then let it go to change it's position. You can bump it all you want, it won't move. It also has switch guards to stop crap from catching on it and giving them a yank.

Additionally, these switches survived a crash locked where they were at impact.

No amount of poo would move those switches. In fact, poo would have made it IMPOSSIBLE to cut off the fuel, because the switch would be too slippery to grip.

>>510196173 (OP)
Ackshually, these pajeets are right.
Blaming the accident on the two pilots is the easiest and most simplistic explanation.
However, even if pilot incompetence is the cause, it is more important to address the issues of why the airline allowed such pilot to fly in the first place, how the pilots conducted their mutual checklist verification, why the co-pilot failed to stop the mistake, or why the aircraft manufacturer designed the aircraft in such a way that an pajeet pilot could perform fatal maneuvers.
For jeets, it is far more convenient to resolve the issue by blaming the pilots' personal incompetence, rather than addressing their fraudulent and negligent organizational culture.

>>510235212
None of your arguments refer to the switched positioned in a way where the protection of mechanism you are describing is not engaged. Pajeets like to test reality and being careless. The plane wasn't pajeet proof.

>>510234254
>are you familiar with the difference between lock and close?
Back home so new ID.
And yes I am aware the difference. These switches will not engage if not locked, it's an interlock system. They simply do not work until the switch is locked into position.

>>510235208
>The plane doesn't need pilot input and can perform actions that could kill everybody on board.
No it didn't, one of them fucked up and turned both engines off. Either maliciously or in an act of gross incompetence.

>>510235417
>addressing their fraudulent and negligent organizational culture.
or at least stop exporting it to USA, Boeing is affected to the same degree.

>>510235541
this was probably never tested so how do you know? are you a pajeet?

I can understand indian pilot suicide to kill a bunch of non Indians, but why did he feel the need to basically kill his own kin? Did he just do it for the lulz?

Are there similar switches with that type of mechanism in this plane? Maybe he was just retarded and hung over badly.

>>510235417
>designed the aircraft in such a way that an pajeet pilot could perform fatal maneuvers.
Because there's no way to avoid having a cutoff switch for the engines. They need to be shut down.

>>510196173 (OP)
>How did this information reach them?
Street shitters can't figure out how journalism works.

>>510235623
>this was probably never tested
It is physically impossible for what you are suggesting to have occurred. And yes, interlock systems are tested.

>>510198168
THIS. IF IT'S A BOEING, I'M NOT GOING!
AIRBUS is a Must.

>>510235834
what if the switch was faulty, is there anything on the record? was it tested at all? was it ever hit with something? where was the no audible alert so the first pilot is not surprised

>>510235834
what if the switch was faulty, is there anything on the record? was it tested at all? was it ever hit with something? why was there no audible alert so the first pilot is not surprised by fuel being turned off

>>510235700
Yup, but the aviation industry needs to establish pajeet proof, otherwise planes will continue to crash at an accelerating rate.
While it is a given that pilot training and continuous assessment of their abilities are essential, there are often other factors at play. For example, after a pajeet shit, pilots may fail to notice warning, In other cases, due to maintenance issues, warnings may often sound randomly, leading pilots to deliberately turn off the fucking alarm switches. These are actual incidents that have occurred in reality.
Flying an airplane involves a large number of people, and multiple fail-safe measures are designed to prevent even a fool from easily causing a crash, so major aviation accidents are usually the result of multiple factors accumulating.

>>510236117
>what if the switch was faulty,
Then they couldn't get lift off.
> is there anything on the record?
Yes that it got turned off then on again.
>was it tested at all?
Yes, Air India's flight technicians did by all accounts test it.
>was it ever hit with something?
Doesn't matter it wouldn't move, it's an interlock.
>where was the no audible alert so the first pilot is not surprised
There was a visual cue, it told them the engines were winding down. One asked the other why he turned the fuel lines off which he said he didn't. The switches then got turned back on and were in the on position in the wreckage.

>>510236241
>so major aviation accidents are usually the result of multiple factors accumulating.
No this is entirely on of them wanting to kill everyone on the flight.

>>510198712
the switches were turned off 1 second apart, not simultaneously
which indicates the delay expected of human input ie pull up and move one switch, then the next.

>>510236206
See >>510236394

>>510236394
>One asked the other why he turned the fuel lines off which he said he didn't.
This was a waste of time and cost pajeet lives. There might have been humans involved.

>>510236117
Chance of both switch being faulty is slim to none. There is probably some alert and the other guy flip the switch back after just 10 sec. Take off usually takes work and concentration so any pilot usually keep their focus on their role whether watching the instrument and/or controlling the land He probably saw the other guy reach over and flipped it at the corner of his eyes himself. You just don't expect the guy next to you to go on a mass murder suicide and make a move right then. It takes a few sec to register the situation probably.

>>510236553
He timed the suicide to the takeoff. Is there a simpler explanation? The switch was not locked?

>>510236550
Even if he didn't ask that, there was no time. The switch got flip back on after 10 sec of shutting off and it wasn't enough. An extra 2 sec wouldn't have make a difference. It probably took him a few sec to register the situation at all and that's actually pretty good instinct, but it wasn't good enough to save the plane.

>>510236647
>The switch was not locked?
Then they couldn't have achieved liftoff.

>>510236449
You don't understand the point. In the first place, you shouldn't make such a retarded pajeet a pilot.
The airline and Indian aviation authorities bear significant responsibility for the pilot recruitment and training system, as well as for the organizational culture that allowed incompetent pilots to remain in their positions.
If these issues are not addressed, there is a risk that such individuals may cause incidents on international flights carrying a large number of foreign passengers.
As long as pajeets exist, it may be necessary to adjust aircraft design standards to accommodate them. The warnings also may have been insufficient.

>>510199416
Can they be turned off by the computer?
Lije not only a switch but also an indicator?

>>510236647
Yea. In fact, flipping the switch is only critical and unrecoverable during take off. At any other time, it is recoverable. If the plane just get to fly for an extra few min and gain some altitude/speed, it would have been able to recover with how fast the other guy flipped the switch back to run.

>>510236827
>Can they be turned off by the computer?
No.

>>510236647
Also, the switch is not locked because there are situation during flight that you do need to flip it shut off the engine. You just can't do it during the beginning of take off, no matter what.

>>510236854
How did the first pilot not notice the second pilot turning switches off. It was quite a complicated maneuver happening right by his side.

>>510237159
>It was quite a complicated maneuver happening right by his side.
No t's not it's pull, drag, drop.

>>510237159
The switch is in the middle of them on the side. During normal take off, both pilots have their eyes and attention glue to the run way and instruments in front of them and execute their own role. They don't just sit there and watch what the other guy is doing.

>>510237159
when you're flying, often times you're zoned in outside and monitoring specific instruments in front of you. this happens even in small cessnas.

>>510216469
So you need to lift and twist in an weird hand position, so is impossible to manually change both in 1 sec, wow white people can't make airplanes anymore

>>510237315
>so is impossible to manually change both in 1 sec
Humans have two hands.

>>510237315
>Can't do that in 1 sec
Anon, do you have bricks for hands?

>>510237402
the way you're seated in the cockpit makes this an impossible maneuver unless you have freakishly long arms like slenderman.

>>510237402
How the first pilot remained unaware?

>>510237468
Because he's looking ahead, not underneath the throttle.
>>510237447
Look at it. >>510229651
No it's not hard.

>>510236738
>but it wasn't good enough to save the plane
how do you know that? every second counted and maybe instead of asking question he could have switched them back on. He knew they were fucked and was asking questions. For what purpose?

The story seems contrived. They should let us listen to the tape.

>>510237637
>For what purpose?
Because the retard next to him just killed both engines and he's probably shocked.

>>510219711
I think its time you pack your bags and go back to your home country, aussie cancer skin. Indian immigrants came to NZ or Australia legally unlike you colonialist ancestors.

>>510237722
that's not how he was supposed to react
they could have recovered had he reacted quicker , instead he started diagnosing the situation

one of them, probably the younger one, turned the switches off
I'm never flying again, it's fucking worrisome enough as it is to fucking fly
imagine having one of you depressed chuds at the wheel nopenopenope

>>510237868
>that's not how he was supposed to react
You have spent ages arguing incorrectly how a interlock switch works. I do not expect you to know the correct SOP for flying a 787.

>>510217319
So the faggot "an heroed". He is one of us.

>>510237976
well the correct SOP didn't apply given the result of the flight. The first pilot remained unaware about the state of the switches for almost 10 seconds. Also the gap between turning them on was 4 seconds when turning them off was only two. Shouldn't the gap when turning them on be smaller?

>>510237976
well the correct SOP didn't apply given the result of the flight. The first pilot remained unaware about the state of the switches for almost 10 seconds. Also the gap between turning them on was 4 seconds when turning them off was only one. Shouldn't the gap when turning them on be smaller?

>>510217319
he probably hated the normies on board because they were part of the society that made his gay life unlivable

>>510238397
>when turning them off was only two.
It was one, and it's one of them intentionally killed both engines at the same time. Presumably it too the non suicidal pilot 4 seconds using 1 hand. As that's the comfortable way to do it.

>>510237637
There are two pilots, and the other pilot is obligated to correct the mistakes made by the retarded one.
The captain is 56 years old, a veteran with 8,000 hours of flight time on the 787, while the first officer is 32 years old with 1,000 hours on the 787, making him relatively new to the aircraft. It might be the newcomer hesitated in response to the captain's sudden unusual behavior.
This is a common occurrence in aviation accidents, where issues arising from the relationship between the two pilots.

>>510238450
>well the correct SOP didn't apply given the result of the flight.
You are using the argument how the pilot was expected to react, saying it was outside of not how they were supposed to. You personally do not know what they were supposed to do.

>>510238612
>saying it was outside of how they were supposed to.

>>510228866
>How do you know they were locked and the mechanism engaged.
Because the engines were running. The way the spring loaded interlock is designed you cannot put the switch into a position that will activate fuel flow and allow the engines to start without the interlock activating and preventing the switch from moving from the on position. It could not have been moved accidentally. The black box telemetry showing that they were shut down one after the other with a 1 second interval between them further reinforces that it was a deliberate act. It subsequently registered a 2 second gap between reactivation of the switches as the pilot was under durress trying to control the plane while reactivating the fuel system.

>>510238612
>You personally do not know what they were supposed to do.
The problem is nobody knows. I am sure it shouldn't be asking questions 10 seconds before a crash

>>510238669
>a 2 second gap
4 second

>>510238762
exactly

>>510238669
Yea, the dude shutting it off probably rehearsed it to do it as quickly and discreetly as he can. He went on the plane with the intention to crash it. The other guy was confused and took a bit longer to flip both back up while trying to control the plane at the same time.

>>510238735
>The problem is nobody knows.
No you are absolutely retarded. You are using the argument of information you do not know for a situation that assumes a suicidal pilot.

>brown pilot get confused and move the wrong lever
Many such cases
https://m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti_Airlines_Flight_691

>>510238834
I mean my guess is the murderous one double fisted both switches, and the other one flipped them on one at a time like normal.

>>510239002
wasted precious seconds asking the perpetrator first and hoping for what? he flipped those switches thousands of times

>>510239279
>wasted precious seconds asking the perpetrator first and hoping for what?
See>>510238953
The non suicidal pilot didn't realize the suicidal one had turned off the fuel. Hence why he asked.

Nepal probably has the worst aviation safety record in the world, India probably has the second worst.

The issue is basically that Indian pilots can't be prevented physically leaving India, so are constantly defecting to other counties where pay is far better.

You have Indian and American pilots landing on the same air strip one after another, but one is getting paid a quarter of the other. American pilot training is undermined by cheap jeet labour, quality of jeet services are undermined by exodus of the best staff.

These aren't Indian pilots, they're the pilots left in India. They suck. The second an Indian gets good at anything they try to leave India.

>>510239354
How did it help 10 seconds before the crash. Just turn them on and ask questions later. You are about to crash. He knew that given his experience.

And you can probably see, this issue would also apply to avionics technicians, ground control, electrical engineers, it compounds. So was it a clueless pilot, faulty AV, faulty electricalls, materials failure? Does it actually matter? The way I see it, either way you have the same issue of brain drain/ scab workers

>>510239463
>Nepal probably has the worst aviation safety record in the world
I think it's actually still technically the USSR.

>Germanwings Flight 9525
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
This is a famous case in which a pilot used a commercial aircraft to commit murder-suicide. While the captain was in the restroom, the first officer locked the door and crashed the plane into a mountain. He had been diagnosed with a mental disorder and suicidal tendencies by a doctor but had concealed this from his employer.
In Germany and Europe, the protection of personal information has led to significant issues regarding airlines relying solely on pilots' self-disclosure for medical certification related to pilot licenses.
In this regard, there are inherent limitations to addressing the issue through aircraft design alone, and it is essential to prevent pilots who may be at risk of suicide from being allowed to fly through medical examinations and the hiring process.

>>510198168

>>510239538
>Just turn them on and ask questions later.
You retard. Me explain simple.

Pilot want die, do something no pilot do. Other pilot see engine no run, ask pilot want die what he do. Pilot want die lie and pilot want live check his claim, see pilot want die lied.

This would have been when he realized he couldn't trust the other pilot. By this time it was too late. Also 10 seconds is not enough time for the engines to start up. 15, 20 even 30 seconds are not enough time. 2 seconds did not matter.

>>510206724
Shut up filthy pajeet.

>>510196173 (OP)
So who is the once who suicided? The chad on the left or the onions faggot on the right.

Let me guess ...

>>510239810
let me help you

>>510239775
The problem is lack of notification when the switches were flipped off. Immediate switch back on might have made the recovery possible and asking questions unnecessary. The jeet in charge didn't know what the other jeet was doing. No notification for cutting engines off during the takeoff sounds ridiculous. Whoever designed the system didn't consider loss of power in both engines urgent enough and forcing the time waste.

>>510196173 (OP)

cockpit voice recording released

https://voca.ro/14so6m1OhUnA

why have we not incorporated cockpit footage into blackboxes yet? seems like a no brainer to just be able to see what they did instead of having to piece it together through the diagnostics

>>510240138
>No notification for cutting engines off during the takeoff sounds ridiculous.
There was a notification, that's why he ASKED.

>>510240295
this doesn't make sense, he should have acted and not waste time on investigation. how relevant his answer was?

>>510240138
>No notification for cutting engines off during the takeoff
plane was airborne when the fuel switches were cut

>>510240372
>he should have acted
He did!

He asked what the other pilot did! What in your imagination was the correct course of action?

>>510240494
Not crashing the plane.

>>510240494
put the fucken switches back on, there is no time for asking questions, the engines could have been reignated much faster if they were not completely shut off
what if the bump during the takeoff flipped them off?
where is his sense of urgency and the self preservation instinct?
the plane lost power let me see if the second pilot did it, where is the fire?

Wasn’t the cause bad fuel

>>510240727
>put the fucken switches back on
He didn't know the other pilot turned them off. He sees the end result, no fuel to engines asks his other pilot, did you turn them off then checks them.
>what if the bump during the takeoff flipped them off?
Physically impossible.

>>510240847
Yes, bad fuel as in no fuel.

SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE FUEL

>>510240494
I think what he means is that the co-pilot should have taken action to restart the engine without hesitation as soon as he noticed the problem.
He should have declared that he would take over the controls without asking any questions, though that might have been a bit harsh but that was his role.
Even if that might not have been enough to save the plane, it could indicate the pilot's lack of experience, lack of training in emergency response, or communication issues within the cockpit(CRM).

>>510241082
A jeet was avoiding taking initiative, what else is new? How should have this situation be handled? What if the second pilot is high and acts irresponsibly? Do they ever train for that? If not, why not?

>>510203551
>And a bachelor's from Sukdeep University is just as good for that as any degree from Yale or Harvard.
No. For example, good luck getting Russian or Soviet degrees accepted in the USA. Americans have special laws to hinder white people and make lives difficult. This is Indian privilege, nobody else gets degree and certification benefits.

>>510241610

bump

>>510196173 (OP)
Do they know the flashing lights on the console, along with the computer screen readouts, will tell you which engine has failed?

People need to stop thinking this shit is a result of incompetence and realize deliberate actions when they're evident. The jewish concept of 'weaponized incompetence' they passed on down to women via feminists as a means to divide men & women even more came from shit like this, where the 'weaponization' was pieces of shit doing evil deeds and pretending to be stupid instead. It is the literal jewish tactic of shiesting that even Uncle Adolfo explained in his fuckin' book.

>>510243539
lmao this went incomprehensible real fuckin fast lol

>>510198370
>>510198712
also, how did these switches flip within a second of each other? don't think it's humanly possible

>>510244741
>how did these switches flip within a second of each other?
Two. Hands.

>>510244785
not following you

>>510245086
The suicidal pilot used his left hand for the left switch and his right hand for the right switch. Which is why it appears to be a murder suicide. As that's a very intentional act to cut fuel to the engines.

>>510240727
The two switches are like the reverse on some cars. E.g. on some older vehicles you need to lift the stick or hold a button before you can stick it into reverse. The fuel cut off on the Dreamliner is similar whereby you need to pull to switch, shift it to the side, pull it down and drop it into the off position. Twice. One for each engine. It isn't something you can just do by accident. So this makes me think there are possible 3 causes of this clusterfuck:
1. Tired, dumb poo co-pilot for some reason did this twice by mistake during take off
2. Broken poo decided to suice everyone
3. There is a flaw in the dreamliner which has caused both engine fuel supply valves to close with zero input from the pilots. When the switch is activated or deactivated, it tells the EEC ( electronic engine control) to open / close the fuel supply valve. A bug in the EEC could have decided to close the fuel supply itself.

I am no poo apologist and as fun as it is to assume death-by-poo ineptitude, I know Boeing and I'm thinking #3. Until, which I doubt they will since everything is scrap metal, they find the panel with those switches down, I think another case of Boeing fucking up and covering there arses. A company who has had whistle-blowers assassinated.

>>510197847
Elon is (as usual) 100% correct. Rural white trash can't code, anyway.

>>510198168
begone ye filthy chink

>>510246027
*suicide everyone

>>510240727
these sort of switches require you to grab the knob, twist it, then pull. or reversed, pull, then twist. basically impossible to do accidentally. depends on the specific model. assuming its up to aviation standards, of course.

>>510218943
This. Flying drunk is 100x easier than driving drunk. And passenger jets these days basically fly themselves. Even you and me could fly a 737 from Dallas to Miami with absolutely no training whatsoever. Everything is clearly labeled in the cockpit and only an idiot would fuck it up.

>>510246027
Additionally, aircraft systems are built to allow for reaction time in case of a particular system's failure. Hard-starving the engines instead of going through a proper shutdown sequence will leave pressure in the system that will keep the engines going for a while. Certainly if the pilot had the time to ask his co-pilot, he had time to flip the switches back before flameout

>>510243539
Shizo the post.

>>510246405
>had the time to ask his co-pilot, he had time to flip the switches back before flameout
That's assuming he was aware what had cut off fuel to the engine. In this case it appears to be manual input.

What it looks like is one of them turned off both lines simultaneously, the other pilot saw power drop and asked the other pilot what he did, then see's the switches off and then flips them.

>>510239857
kek

BTW, a local newspaper today reported that the total seconds from takeoff to crash was 33 seconds. Can someone check if this is true. If true, could it be the freemason 33 thing?

DO NOT BLAME SIR

>>510246027
>A bug in the EEC could have decided to close the fuel supply itself.
A bug that causes the fuel supply to close to both engines, but delayed by the exact interval you would expect if the switches were manually actuated? But that means the physical switches on the console would still be in the on position. Did they have to cycle the switches off then back on? Why is a second off actuation not present in the telemetry, or are you implying actuations are recorded from hardware other than the physical switch itself? A physical issue like that seems extremely improbable, especially considering the investigation is leaning toward a pilot issue, rather than putting out an emergency TSB for those switches as is the norm across the industry even in events where there are no injuries or fatalities. There was a big TSB put out for some of the engines the max uses as well as one of the comparable airbusses last month.

>>510196173 (OP)
Slippery, unwashed poo hands didn't realise he hit the fuel switches.

Never trust a poo.

>>510247535
>could it be the freemason 33 thing?

>>510198124
Panicked over what? There's literally zero reason to have your hands near the cutoff switches unless there's some sort of emergency. To the left is the parking brake, to the right are control disconnect switches, below are the fire extinguisher handles and above are the throttles which should be fully forward and away from the fuel switches in a takeoff.

>>510198361
Especially since the switches have to be pulled before you can flip them and they're in a location where no hand should be in that phase of flight.

>>510215407
This will probably be the solution implemented now that suicidal pilots have found a way around the "two people in cockpit at all times" rule

>>510239810
>>Let me guess ...
you would probably guess wrong, because old guys have seen everything and they're less likely to be emotionally unstable

>>510246667
>>510246405
that report says it took 10 seconds to flip the switches on again. That's a lot of time. ALthough depending on when the second pilot noticed they're off. Maybe he noticed in the 8th second of those 10, before the engine spooled down enough to notice

>>510251425
Honestly, there are a shit loads of things a suicidal pilots can do. None of the planes are designed with safeguard against suicidal pilots. None of the protocol is made for suicidal pilots. Even with the 3 pilots in cockpit rule after germanwing incidence is a lukewarm attempt to address the issue. JAL 350 crashed the with 2 pilots cockpit fighting the rogue pilot trying to crash the plane, though they managed a more "controlled" crash into the water that only killed 24 people instead all hands on deck.

>>510196173 (OP)
So braindead

>We CEO

>>510198168
Good marning my bastad

>>510198241
>Dude really killed them all over a fuck up
This guy (the video) is full of details and words, repeated.
I do not trust his review of other crashes.
Not reliable.
Wait for the open (not secret) investigation.

typical poo shamelesness 101.
this was expected.

>the blackbox is under the juristiction of india
>it was under the command and control of The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA).
it is not like boeing came and took the blackbox somewhere
indian DGCA said this themselves

but of course the poo cannot admit anything and can never take the L unless he is beaten into it
they are the most delusional people on earth

>>510196173 (OP)
It’s obviously not human error, because it’s not a human it’s a shitskins,

>>510211472
That is the most informative recording on this board.
The question of WHY has been carefully examined and answered.
Everything else fades into insignificance.

>>510235698
Maybe he wanted to make the world a better place at the same time.

>>510196173 (OP)
You don't hate these Indians enough. They need to be humiliated at every turn.

>>510198168
do poojeets in india eat cow shit or sheep shit?

>>510255625
*NZ, fuck my life

>>510255579
jews have no problem making them CEOs and forcing to us to believe in their leadership skills. Are we in hell? A jew is pushing jeets as our leaders? How long has this shit been going on?

MAYDAY, MAYDAY. A poo in charge!

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/former-uk-prime-minister-rishi-sunak-returns-to-goldman-sachs/4228759/

>>510216469
yea im still not trusting boeing, who lied and blamed pilots for both MCAS crashes, who build aircrafts with druggies in south carolina who wont even dare fly or put their families on the planes they build, and who murdered multiple whistleblowers, the highest profile one being the guy shot in his car the day before his big deposition.

i hate jeets but id trust a jeet over boeing. thats how evil boeing is. sucks because i fly about 50 times a year for work, and even tho i schedule airbus, embraer, or even the new sukhoi, sometimes boeing is the only flight.

>>510228793
cutting off an engine should trigger a massive loud chirp, alarm, and light in the cockpit. but guess boeing too stupid to implement that?

>>510258041
The Boeing shills in this thread consider this not a problem. No monitoring of fuel lines? Fine. Aircraft assisted suicide? No problem. Go ahead.

>>510229651
>>510229653
dumb on modern planes for MECOs to not be located overhead away from where hands of retards are constantly fiddling. or at least have them under a plastic shield that needs to be flipped up and require a simultaneous button press.

DEI pilots arent like the WWII, korea, and vietnam war vets we used to have.

>>510258236
>DEI pilots arent like the WWII, korea, and vietnam war vets we used to have.

DEI means no context awareness necessary. Attention span of less than 5 seconds is fine.

>>510254541
Yeah, I trust a random jeet migrant in australia more than some old pilot, doctor of psychology

>>510258236
A pilot once told me a joke about them having a dog as the second pilot. The dog would be keeping an eye on the first pilot to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid. Would it help in this situation? You be the judge.

>>510258430
Yes, it would. putting critical switches in an area where hands are constantly fiddling (throttle, resting at side) is dumb as fuck from a design perspective. in other types of aircraft, MECO switches are overhead. you have to deliberately reach up for them.

>>510258663
Let's give a credit for including guarded brackets to prevent accidental movement in some of the designs.

Despite all the poo flaws this flight should not have ended in a disaster.

Do we need a new thread?