WHY ARENT WOMEN ATTRACTED TO MY HARD, ANGULAR BODY

DONT THEY KNOW HOW MUCH WORK I PUT INTO THIS???

>>510196207 (OP)
women like dad bods because they grew up with a loving dad with a dad bod.

>>510196207 (OP)
Guy with shitty perspective looks just short. The before picture has a much more charitable perspective.

>>510196207 (OP)
Who cares what women want.

>>510196207 (OP)
Stop posting the same example image where the guy takes his after photo looking nerdier, balder, and in worse lighting.

>>510196207 (OP)
They're not that different but
1. The dude on the left looks more impressive even though less cut
2. Looking like the right pic gives away that you're a prettyboy faggot who is obsessed with looks and you probably suck dick

>>510196410
The dad bod is a sad cope. Or by dad bod they think as massive muscles with a little bit of fat.

Women stare at my bulging veiny biceps. Case closed.

>>510196537
I think that, instead, I will post it several more times. Whensoever I please.

>>510196207 (OP)
Doesn't the image imply exactly that the shredded version is superior? Am I retarded or are you?

>>510196207 (OP)
Overleaning is destructive and unattractive, 10-20% bodyfat is ideal

they aren't lying, tryhard gymcels look uncanny, because they ARE
natural athletes can move gracefully with speed and strength, naturally

these motherfuckers are just cranky niggerfaggots who eat, shit and fart all day every day just to look like a fraud, and everyone who is stupid enough to suffer a gymcel knows this
only people who aren't hip to their own fraudulent game, are, you guessed it, gymcels

>>510196207 (OP)
Slimness is feminine. He literally has an asian girls waist:hip ratio on the right.

Men are meant to be muscular fridges that can bodyslam fuckers as a natural result of a high fat diet.

>>510196207 (OP)
women don't know anything. he's obviously better after.
also, if a woman is having sex with this guy, she is going to be much happier with the thinner man than that heavy beast on the left.

>>510196755
Left hand makes a capital L, Anders.

>>510196766
that guy isn't less than 10% bodyfat

>>510196890
>Women want to be vibrated by a twink not slammed by THE HULK
Sure.

>>510196608
This, as much as women like to virtue signal about dad bods being in, they don't seem to approach my less athletic friends to anywhere near the same degree as they do me, hell, even some girlfriends of my acquaintances have flirted with me in front of their boyfriends, one of them literally 2 minutes into us meeting for the first time.

>>510196811
Agreed. (Young) Novak Djokovic is the prime example of a what a prime natural athlete’s body looks like.
Guys that have huge biceps and work white collar jobs are just advertising to the world that they spend too much time in the gym.

>canadian flag
>lookism shit
Sage and report these brown clowns, they want /pol/ to be weak and fat like them, a real White Nationalist knows he needs strong back muscles to hang kikes and their foot soldiers from lampposts

>>510196811
>t. shitskin bullied by jocks

>>510197116
anons don't know because most of them have never been ottermode and beefcake in the same lifetime, but ottermode is long distance waterfall device when paired with a face

that's the part gymcels don't get either, without the face, it's all for naught

>>510196207 (OP)
He looked better before. More filled out. Looks like a twink now
t. wahman

>>510197282
i bullied lesser jocks into power lifting as a cope kek
they never did anything with their bodies except intimidate stupid people smaller than them after

>>510196207 (OP)
It's because it's a shit photo.
>whole body is red, looks balder, nolonger looks cuddly, somehow looks less kind and caring, looks uncontrollable

Try it again with picrelated and the results will be the opposite

>>510197679
this poster is correct

>>510196207 (OP)
>anons after lifting for 5 years be like

>>510196572
meh, it's more about the confidence a dad has than the actual aesthetics anon

>>510197679
/thread

>>510196572
by dad bod they don't mean a fat fuck if that's what you are asking for, they like big guys that look natural usually, same shit for the skinny girls that the fems like, men on average like women with tits and ass, but no fat turds.

>>510198140
he didnt exercise his face, many such cases

>>510196207 (OP)
you have to understand that Women who see something out of thier league cope by finding the downgrade attractive, because they actually cannot see themselves mentally with a man who still looks like hes looking for a women, listen to some of the stories of dudes hitting the gym again after a few years after marriage and it'll fucking boggle your mind just HOW insecure women are.

>>510198140
assuming this is real (it almost certainly isnt) theyre unironically just upset he has glasses on lol

>>510196207 (OP)
don't care. women either like you or they don't, its decided the moment you're born and fighting it only rewards you with eternal misery

>>510196410
this.
they'll call you a pervert, but they will never call you a liar.

the average woman in America is like 175lbs
do not take the average woman at her word, regardless of her weight.

My (straight male) guess is (in aggregate) women like the physique of a guy that can double digit pullups, bench 225 for a few reps and can run a sub 8 minute mile. So not insane but clearly above average

>>510196410
Stop with the Jewish spellcasting . Your sexual preferences and not linked with your parents in any way . Sigmund Freud was a pedophile , who tried to normalize Kabalistic teachings , masquerading as Psychoanalysis .

>>510196207 (OP)
Here's the thing you vrigin faggots. Left looks stronger. Women desire safety. Left gives them the better feeling of protection. That's all there is to it. By dad bod they imagine bear mode strong men not fat fucks.

>>510198516
funny how glasses don't make chads uglier

>>510196608
It's been known for millennia that women either don't know what they want, or lie about it. To both themselves and others. They are like children - driven almost entirely by subconscious instinct. And that instinct tells them to go after the Alpha. The man that other men look up to.
There's a limit though, I see physical disgust on the faces of women when they look at bodybuilders with 3% bodyfat. That's not fake. Those dudes often have trouble getting laid

I'm a gymcel who actually talks to women and the preferences for dadbods come down to this simple fact: Women do absolutely not wanna date gymbros

Gymbros are highly effeminate bisexual faggots who obsess over retarded shit like protein intake and dedicate way too much time and mental capacity towards working out. And women just don't find any of it appealing.

There you go.

>>510198812
>and dedicate way too much time and mental capacity towards working out. And women just don't find any of it appealing.

Correct. They dislike anything that takes attention from them.

>>510196207 (OP)
Consider how women vote with their pussies instead. I don't have to ask people if they love Hungary and their hard right-wing stance, all I need is to look at how many Budapestians are in Vienna, Mattersburg... and Bratislava

>>510198770
>>510198516
>>510198140
men have a negative feedback loop that shows on their face, women are more attracted to personality and confidence than anything, outward signs of health are just icing on the cake
an insecure man constantly looks constipated, their face isn't relaxed, they're worried about everything, it's why ugly fags like post malone are popular, he's at ease

>>510198924
Yes. Straight women do not wanna date other women. And gymbros are fembrained as fuck with their body image issues and eating disorders.

>>510196207 (OP)

Personally, I think a lot of gymbros are closeted homos. Taking care of your physical health is one thing, posting selfies and showing off, that's a woman thing.

>>510199085
>personality and confidence
you get both of those by being good looking from birth

>>510199183
there's lot's of physically unattractive successful people, reproductively and otherwise

>>510196755
For you it probably would mean that.

>>510199085
Personality means nice face you stupid simp

>>510196207 (OP)
Left looks normal. Right looks deformed.

>>510196207 (OP)
The guy on the left is more likely to marry her and raise her fatherless child.

>>510199271
no one is saying there arent, im just saying you're way better off by being good looking than being ugly
also, post tits

>roastie cope thread #12315935123

I unironically get more attention from girls when I am a little overweight.

>>510196207 (OP)
This is the most British looking man ever.

>>510196572
>by dad bod they think as massive muscles with a little bit of fat.

yes that is what they mean, basically tony saprano but 30 pounds light

>>510199362
I'm a dude, I was married for 5 years, I fucked up my relationship getting obsessed with lookism nonsense, I should have just enjoyed what I had but I was insanely insecure

>>510196207 (OP)
His face is less attractive and his head looks to big for his body on the right. That's why women dislike the right. Face is one of their #1 priorities. He also looks weaker on the right which women also dislike. Left is still built and not too fat. If he had an actual dad bod then women would prefer the right.

>>510199520
who?

>>510196207 (OP)

he has a huge head, any loss of mass in his body makes him look worse

jesus christ, once again I need to explain simple things to retards here.

1) having big muscles if you are 5'5 is pointless, nobody cares
2) having big muscles while you live in some shitty basement is pointless
3) having big muscles when you face looks creepy and weird is pointless

if you are short/poor/ugly as fuck, grow your bank account not your fucking muscles

>>510196207 (OP)
The women who answered they prefer left were speaking out of pure, unhinged insecurity.

Just get lean, you dont need muscles although its certainly a plus

When i got my jawline defined from being a bloated mess women gave me looks, and if they have a certain degree of confidence with you they will get physical - even if its just a fist to your arm

In hindsight when a woman gives you signals its obvious but to an untrained guy with zero experience it can be a big hoop to get through

Most importantly - never pay attention to what they say - look at their actions.

i just want to state for the record the chaddest man i ever met was a 5'6 manlet alcoholic graphic designer who dirt bikes and surfs half the year

his secret is an honest to god pussy addiction. the man loves pussy. hes like the real life version of quagmire. if you are a female of breeding age he will literally go like "humna-humna-humna hhhheeeyyy sweettits" he will bed anyone

so there ya go

>>510196207 (OP)
The camera and lighting make his face look bad, also rapid weight loss makes the face look off.

>>510200049
this is literally it
stop being a lazy bitch and try to find fun shit to do in life

>>510196207 (OP)
His lack of traps are killing him in that 2nd pic.

cmon guys it's not original pic, they are swapped, i remember that source was posted here before, the lean version was on the left and the fat is on the right

>>510196207 (OP)
Both are more than good enough for the vast majority of women. The looks threshold for men is insanely low, because her attraction to you is not what matters at all.
It's the female's role in the human mating process to attract a high value mate through her looks, not the male's.
As a male, your role is to approach attractive females and make the first move and take risks and keep pushing things forward. The guys who consistently do those things do well with women. The guys who never do those things do not do well with women.
You retarded incels who think that a man needs to be so good looking that he attracts a woman are completely gender confused and clueless about how all of this really works. You are being solipsistic and think that since you as a man are primarily focused on a woman's looks and attractiveness, that women must also be primarily focused on a man's looks and attractiveness. But that isn't the case at all.
Unless you are like one of those 600lb landwhales stuck to his couch or some ugly creepy pajeet or chink, your looks are not the problem.

>>510196207 (OP)
before objectively looks better, he looks more like a big warrior. After he looks like an overcompensating short dude.
Guys are gaslighting themselves into saying After looks better because they respect gains and see Before as lazy and weak

>>510199407
Because like 50% of turkroach women are obese lmao

>>510196207 (OP)
Women only want This

>>510199085
You are 100% correct but these incels are too autistic to understand non-verbal communication like those kinds of facial expression. Combining a gymbro body with the extremely insecure, stressed, worried way too much about what other people think face is extremely offputting.

>>510196207 (OP)
Are guys just now learning that this shit is really just a way for fags to fish for more pictures of guys to jerk off too? Girls don't like rippling muscles, that's a fag thing.

The men who answered after are all mentally ill faggot retards

Obviously the left looks way healthier

>>510196207 (OP)
I don't lift for bitches.
I lift for Adolf.

>>510199362
>way better off by being good looking than being ugly
All else being equal, yes. But all else is rarely actually equal in the real world.
Being ugly and extremely charming and charismatic is better than being good looking and creepy/weird/autistic/socially retarded personality.

>>510202012
that is some american brainwash, did you ever see how women swoon after good looking serial killers?

>>510200049
All Chads are Chads primarily because they constantly and shamelessly flirt and hit on literally everyone.

>>510196410
He looks like shit on the right? You require some decent muscle before you cut otherwise you look like a fucking aids patient.
Gaunt face and when you wear a t shirt you just look scrawny.

>>510196207 (OP)
all i need is watching myself in the mirror
im narcissus encarnation and i dont need aproval of anyone

>>510196207 (OP)
Pro-tip: women routinely lie about this collectively, they always have. Is it possible for the guy on the left to land a chick? Of course. Will the guy on the right have consistent success while the guy on the left struggles much more? Yes
>Dont believe me?
Just observe which guys land chicks and which don’t over a long period of time.
Tl;dr don’t believe women. If you polled them asking if they fart, 50% of them will lie and say they don’t too

>>510196207 (OP)
It would help if didnt look like a tweaking faggot in the after picture.

>>510196207 (OP)
Uhmm...
I'm male. He looks better in the before.
He looks like a normal guy who keeps up with fitness in before pic.
In after pic, he looks like he looks like an insane person with an unrelatable lifestyle revolving around fitness and also like a massive homosexual.
Not even a normal modern homosexual, he looks straight up 80's style "I don't know I have AIDS yet" activist type gay.

>>510202139
You can find women out there swooning over every possible type of guy. They swoon over serial killers because they are dangerous, not because they are good looking. Ugly criminals have women writing them love letters in prison too.

>>510196207 (OP)
The lower body fat one also has a larger penis because less fat padding in the pubic area, plus more blood flow to that area means his penis is harder too. So do women not like big hard penises?

>>510196207 (OP)
>i do it for the weemen

if at this point in your training youre concerned about womens opinion over your achievement youre fucking stupid and deserve to be fat, or a twink.

>>510196207 (OP)
This shitter screencap is over a month old, and you are dasa

>>510196410
No one has dads anymore.

>>510196207 (OP)
Guy on the left looks like a normal relatable nice person. Right looks like a narcissist who's obsessed with working out so he can brag about the results. Should do a 1:1 comparison next time to not mislead people.

>Oh yes let me just take this fatter, less attractive man that's what I want
kek. People who take women at their word are coping retards.
Also remember when women say "dad bod" what they really mean is more like "firefighter bod." Men hear dad bod and think Seth Rogen. When women say dad bod what they mean is a man who is clearly muscular but not necessarily defined.

>>510196207 (OP)
He definitely looks healthier in the before photo.

>>510198770
Left one looks younger and more manly like an improved version of Zlatan Ibrahimovic or something. Left one looks like a boring nordcuck surviving on boiled chicken and steamed veggies.

>>510199866
Pratty you don’t get any pussy, your parents do it for you. In any other case you would die alone like any other poojeet in the west.

>>510199811
>>510199866
As I said, look how they vote with their pussies. It's always "¡Viva Mejico! NO DON'T SEND ME BACK TO MEXICO!!!" with these cunts

The typical 20-something cunt goes after a BUILT, well-funded low-30s guy with a full set of hair and a big dick. No dad bods, no "it's the motion of the ocean", no deadbeats. All of those I mentioned get sloppy seconds that realize the clock is ticking at 29-30-34 and they don't have the pure unbridled judaism to honestly believe they could score the guy I described at the beginning when they are way past their prime
i.e. they are settling hard

>>510199519
this is my experience. I'm tall and have nice eyes and an OK face. I did really well with girls as a skinny teenager/early 20s with messy hair and stubble, the attention dipped but didn't disappear or anything when I got really into bodybuilding in my mid to late 20s (sissy gays were really into me). now in my 30s, while I'm still very clearly built with wide shoulders, thick arms and legs, built chest and back, I've also clearly got some fat on me and women comment positively on my body and appearance all the time, are forward about expressing interest in me, I catch them checking me out all the time. older, younger, my age, this so far is the easiest its ever been to get women's attention.

women want you to be strong and masculine and physically intimidating but they do NOT want to be with someone who is more vain than them because it makes them constantly anxious. they like when other women check out their man but there is a limit and too much will make them insecure as fuck. they absolutely love abs and vascular forearms and biceps/triceps/calves that pop but they 100% assume you are a narcissist who will cheat on them.

>>510202401
>Will the guy on the right have consistent success while the guy on the left struggles much more?
If these guys went out and hit on girls in the same way, they would have virtually identical amounts of success. There will be a handful of girls that might prefer one over the other, but both dudes look good enough for the vast majority of women out there. Success or failure will depend entirely on factors other than looks.
No girl is ever going to think "oh wow this guy is perfect in every other way, but just not quite shredded enough / too shredded, so no"
You need to keep in mind that 90% of the men that women are getting hit on by and interacting with are significantly uglier and less attractive than this guy in either body type. Think about all of the obese fatasses and creepy old boomers and gross smelly pajeets and niggers who are this man's supposed competition.
Literally just being
>White
>Average or taller height
>Under 45
>Not obese
is enough to put him in the top 12% of men in the US. Add "not married" to the criteria and he is in the top 6% of men.

>>510196207 (OP)
left beats right in a fight and women are intuitively aware of this at their most primitive genetic level

>>510196207 (OP)
From an evolutionary perspective..
Left beats right in a fight; more weight, more strength
Left survives a long winter without food
Left looks like a successful hunter as he’s been able to accumulate a food surplus, compared to right who appears starved.

>>510203903
that's pretty much the perfect male body

>>510196207 (OP)
Women are attracted to wealth / status the way men are attracted to tits and ass. It's biological it's not a "im a goldigger thing". Actual gold diggers are just shameless about it.
A good face is the best indicator of status or potential status so good looks go far. How fit you are matters much less than how your wealth / status is perceived.
Lift for yourself.

>>510203903
Literally me just not as big

>>510204438
Also if you listen to what women say your a FUCKING RETARD.

>>510204438
>>510204518
>lift for yourself

This, generally any exercise. Do it for your health and longevity not pussy.

>>510196207 (OP)
why are gymcels like this?

>>510196766
5% body fat is extreme. that's crackhead territory

>>510196207 (OP)
>account with an old fashioned painting is “feminist turned housewife”
This shit couldn’t scream tranny grifter any louder

>>510203903
fedor was a beast in his prime

I work out and it is mostly MILFs who eye me and tell me that they like fit guys. Younger woman don't do this at all.

>>510196207 (OP)
women are full of shit

>>510196207 (OP)
Most women carry body fat and are insecure about their body. Being with a lean diet obsessed man makes them feel more self conscious and insecure about themselves(negative feelings). So basically lean men make women feel bad about themselves.

>>510198516
>>510199085
>You need to have good eyesight to get pussy in 2025 bro
>You need to have facial expressions to get pussy in 2025 bro
This is the most retarded shit I've read today, and that's saying a lot.

>>510204518
haha truth

>>510196811
This. Over doing it makes you unattractive. It's basically a bell curve, but i can't be assed to draw it up.
The most attractive are athletes like swimmers and runners and martial artists who are strong and fast and confident. Over gymaxxing oozes low confidence and compensating or outright homosexuality. A rock climber will get more and better quality pussy than agym maxed lunk who can barely move

>>510196890
Women don't even know what they want until you show them anon

>>510196207 (OP)
Sigh.. Ok I'll explain this to you as a woman. Men advancing in their looks is to women what women advancing in their career is to men. It makes them insecure and unsure or whether they can meet the now very high standard.

So, just like you'd feel better about yourself next to a waitress or an unemployed stay-at-home girlie, a girl would feel better about herself with a man who is not obsessed with his aesthetics

>>510204518
>>510204942
>>510205610
Based

>>510196207 (OP)
women dont know what they wantn deferring to what they say they want is a road paved in misery

The only reason I'd work out is so I can be better at hitting women better. I'd work out so hard that I'd be able to knock a bitches teeth out and bust her jaw to the point she needs surgery. I'm literally not lying when I say this. A man should workout for strength and NOT chicks. Every man should exercise till they look like some Baki character so they can beat women to unconsciousness.

>>510206059
Post milkers
Make sure the nipples are hard first

>>510197502
>>510198140
That nerd still has more of a shot getting pussy than you, currynigger

>>510196207 (OP)
when i started lifting my gf was a little upset and said she didnt like muscles at all
now two years later she cant help herself but grope my muscles constantly
its kinda cute how she squishes my biceps out of nowhere

>>510196207 (OP)
It's gay men that attracted to body builders - women care more about your face

>>510196207 (OP)
Iff you are the right you expect your woman to not be fat. Women are intimidated by expectations and they don't want their lack of effort to be compared with your abundance.

>>510196207 (OP)
Men and women are both mentally ill when it comes to judging their own looks.

>>510201780
>>510199730
>memeflag
Saar

>>510196207 (OP)
its such horseshit
I was ripped in high school and chicks LOVED it
LOVED IT

I was still pretty ripped when I got with my wife and she loved it too

this is just another case of women lying in public and having the opposite opinion in private

>>510206059
That's not why men don't like career women lmao.

>>510196207 (OP)
He looked better before. Yes he had some fat but he was more natural looking and his face and hair looked much healthier. It’s all about your face IMO. Especially when your body isn’t really “fat” beforehand, in the sense of having a huge belly.

>>510196766
Dear retarded faggot anon, the "after" picture in OP is like 12% bodyfat. The healthy ideal.
The before pic is 22-25%.
5-7% is literally see through, Mr Olympia on stage day -skin that is only achievably momentarily through dehydration, and right after the show they go and chug liters of water.

>>510196207 (OP)
>>510196410
>>510196766
>>510197282
>>510198140
>>510198768
>>510199407
>>510200630
At this point fuck women and fuck the Jews.

They ruined my life
https://www.tiktok.com/@uglymaxxed/video/7525916940930419990

>>510198140
>you think muscles are disgusting
lmao
Its because you're a shitskin buddy
They would have drooled for a muscular Aryan man

>>510196207 (OP)
He needs to change his face which is easily achievable

Problem is, he used steroids. Now it's harder.

>>510206469
Just remember 9/10 lookism faggots are shitskins and/or troons who probably would have shot up their school if they had the chance
These guys are fucked up but don't realize their personality is pussy repellent

be fit and lean , don´t go hulkmode unless bonestructure demands it.
i´ve laid over 100s of women and had one good relationship i messed up.
you let pussy come to you , and don´t chase it.
if she comes to you that means she is either a prostitute or sincerely attracted to you based on your face and behaviour.
then again ive a big dick and know how to use it so even women way out of my league wanted to stick around.
selfgrowth is important and being confident.
if you are ugly get rich and bang hookers and settle for some hag later on that hates your guts and cheats on you.
even great looking guys get cheated on btw , there is no escape.
embrace yourself and roll with what you got, stop being a jellybean.

>>510203903
How do I achieve this natty?

>>510196207 (OP)
>women lie
Not really big news

>>510196207 (OP)
>I want a nice guy
Doesn't go for the nice guy

>I want an emotionally available guy
Doesn't go for the emotionally available guy

>I want a guy with a dad bod
You still believe anything a woman says, fucking retards?

>>510196484
He spent too much time on forehead day

>>510196207 (OP)
he's stronger on the left, desu

>>510196410
women like dad bods because they think it gives them an excuse to become fat

>>510196207 (OP)
Women in general aren't attracted to rock hard bodies, that's mainly homosexuals.
Women today like dad bods, but not too fat. The guy on the left pic is just fine.

left: normal, strong guy who lifts sometimes
right: body builder mode, obsesses like a woman or troon over their body image. ick

>>510198140
How would you respond if a near naked dude was flexing on you?

>>510196410
In college settings at least, a study found that men with high muscle mass were more likely to have one night stands than men without.
>>510196410
Dad bod is a meme, women have straight up said it's a meme.

Women want the after, its just they voted before because they are shallow and coping to make them seem more attractive then they actually are.

Women are lying

>>510206987
>>510206987
Women have never been really attracted to shredded bodies. That's mainly faggots who like that and men who are self-conscious. They like lean or strong dad bods, not fat or obese.

>>510198770
Right is a Norwood 2. He's also smiling like a faggot. His face doesn't match his body.

>>510198140
The guy has an ugly face. It doesn't matter what body he has lol

>>510196207 (OP)
For adult men, you should be going either bear mode or otter depending on what you do for work and how good your heart is. More weight of any kind = more vascular strain.

>>510196207 (OP)
Male here and he looked better before

>>510207653
Tsmt

>>510196207 (OP)

>>510196207 (OP)
The chest hair looks better, the shoulders (women's favorite body part strangely enough) look smaller on right, the abs are too cut so it doesn't look like a man you want to cuddle with you and the haircut looks worse.

I will not show my boobs.

>>510196207 (OP)
If you're going go be skinny, keep more muscles small and shave because androgyny is hot.

If you're going to have fat, be hairy and get big muscles because masculinity is hot.

Men like skinny women and some like fatter women and some like androgynous women. Same with women for men.

>>510196207 (OP)
So 66% of the women didn't vote?

>>510206565
the federal reserve funds everything the government does.
you are enslaved to them because congress agreed to put you in debt.
congress works for the federal reserve to keep your NIGGER ASS in line.

>>510196207 (OP)
yeah going to the gym is gay. you're basically doing it to impress other men lol. faggots, not women, are into super muscular men

>>510196207 (OP)
they should have edited out the face, because the picture on the right has an uglier looking face due to lighting. if anything this goes to show that your face is 80% of what the female gaze focuses on.
if they edited out the face and just showed the body it probably would have been closer

>>510204438
this is only partly true, women ARE attracted to wealth and status ESPECIALLY when it reflects a man that is capable and good at what he does.
however attractive facial features and symmetry are indicative of good genes, hormone profile, immune system and thyroid functions, etc. its basically a billboard for your genetic health, more so than body which can be massively worked on and improved. your face is mostly genetic and can only be improved slightly through better diet and improved health. its just the best indicator of potentially very good genes.

these are the 2 motivators that women have, wealth and status because women need protection and resources for their intensive life cycle of gestating children in their womb and then raising them. and good looks because they also want to ensure they are creating healthy offspring
the "perfect" man would be an extremely good looking man who is wealthy due to performing well at some job that requires a high degree of skill. a man whos wealthy because hes capable is a man a woman will feel deference and respect for than a guy who is just wealthy because hes a nepo baby.

this is all stuff women go for overall and theres variation in preferences and the random retarded mood swings women have all the goddamn time so its by no means set in stone. but assuming theyre functioning at some degree of hormonal balance this is who they like. its been my observation that women who deviate too much from these basic tenets of attractiveness tend to be a hormonally imbalanced, dysgenic mess

>>510196207 (OP)
The guy on the left just looks like a normal dude.
The guy on the right looks like he spends all of his time in a gym. Which there's nothing wrong with that, obviously, but to a woman, she's going to think it means you're overly concerned about your self image and that you're trying too hard. Trying too hard to look attractive gives women the ick. It's supposed to appear as though it just comes naturally. The one on the left also looks like he's stronger and has more muscle despite being less lean (obviously since it's just the same guy before and after a cut)

>>510196207 (OP)
his neck, underwear, and pose are worse on the 2nd. Upper body (shoulders, chest) lost too much mass

Face and frame went backwards. I believe them. Otter mode is better, healthier, who care what holes think, and if you do just don’t shave chest hair and keep stubble. Remember If you’re not attractive in the first place none of this matters

>>510198770
If right shaves his head, stops smiling and gets some swastika tattoos, he'll be good to go. Unless he's a s0icuck faggot like his face would imply, in which case the disgust is deserved.

I'll save you the life story, but for the young anons trying to figure themselves out, I can promise you that women cream themselves uncontrollably over barrel bodies with strong arms. They don't care how much your insecure need to earn more autistic fitness points than whoever bullied you in high school has sculpted your calves. They want the sense that there's a big bastard next to them that could kill guys with his hands and they're gonna get helplessly dicked by him later like a delicate doe getting plowed by a rampaging bull. Criticize that if you want, but it's what they love most in my experience. Women aside, I don't know why anybody would want to look any different.

>>510196207 (OP)
All I know is we said, "Hello"
So dust off your highest hopes
All I know is pouring rain
And everything has changed
All I know is a new found grace
All my days, I'll know your face
All I know since yesterday
Is everything has changed

>>510208723
I agree with you but it's very important to point out that wealth and status isn't the unattainable perfect aesthetic man who we strive to be. It's rather just.. Don't be a victimized loser.

If you're ugly and have poor social skills at the moment, know your place. Porn has deluded many of our minds in to having too high standards.

>>510209348
Guy on left looks like a bro, maybe a father
Guy in right looks like a fagg

>>510196207 (OP)
>women know what they want
Hahaha

>>510196207 (OP)
GET
OFF
SOCIAL
MEDIA

Pretty much this pic

>>510196410
Women don't ever actually tell you what they're attracted to, they can only show you. It's that simple.

>>510212136
i disagree with the notion that men are the deluded ones. while many of them are indeed trying to "punch above their weight class" when it comes to what level of women they want, most men are perfectly satisfied to settle for a mid girl whos around their level of attractiveness. it is largely women demand much higher standards than what they bring to the table. this is supported by both the anecdotal experience of most men (who arent like an 8 or above in looks) and all the data we have on dating trends and hook up culture.

women are definitely the ones flying off the handle with their demands and expectations. though some men also are retarded about it, of course.

>>510196811
Cardio makes you look good, you cant fake it. Women know it.

>>510196207 (OP)
Even as a guy, he looks way healthier and comfy in before. After, he looks vain and like an annoyance. He looks like he's too much work.

We are attracted to health. Natural health. Right is not natural. Left is fit and natural. Healthy galore. Sex through the roof. Only incels thinks HE looks better after.

>>510196207 (OP)

before looks like a man, after looks like a bottom. both versions are very muscular which is the main thing, but before looks more masculine and strong. after is prettier. after would Def get girls but before is sexier.

>>510196207 (OP)
I'm built, I'm smart, I'm romantic, I work hard, I treat my girl right, but at the end of the day she said the only reason she married me is because I have a giant dick.

>>510196410
Neither of those pictures are Dad bods, one is muscular the other is lean, picrel is a dad bod

>>510197140
is her going to be alright?

>>510196207 (OP)
>That hairline in the 2nd pic

Ahh yes the ol' creatine-induced balding

its almost like gyms were a gay jewish psyop

>>510196207 (OP)
It's obvious for anybody who understands women at all. They get off on feeling small and helpless around a man. It's why they go for tall guys and it's why a build like the left one is more attractive to them, the guy has more bulk which amplifies that feeling of a power gap and tickles the subconscious monkey brain shit that makes them wet.

But can you lift eternity
We'll let God decide that one

>>510213163
thats just randy bobandy hamburgling
the only dad bod aspect there is the farmer's tan, which is faint
dad bod's have no shame, theyre not afraid show their nips or moobs. theyre self-conscious about their moobs, but sometimes think 'i have booba' and feel temporarily ashamed but quickly shoah the thought. when taking a photo, they not want to wear a t-shirt in a swimming pool, as that would only draw further attention, so they proudly display their moobs as if it doesnt bother them. it does, but the bod says otherwise. the dad is not the bod.

>>510196207 (OP)
the speedo is so cringe

This is funny, I actually don't like the after, not the face not the body, the before is acceptable but I think the personality and psychological profile would not be interesting not even to play with!

>>510212822
Your points carry some weight in relation to the multifaceted challenges many face in our time.

We live in an era where a substantial percentage of men no longer behave in accordance with traditional expectations of masculinity. Take, for example, the tendency to sit in front of a computer playing games all day. Modern pursuits that do little to support the search for meaningful connection with women. I know far too many men who are content with just jerking off and playing games, which almost always keep them from engaging in situations where they might encounter the opposite sex.

The moment you become a victim in your own mind, you've allowed delusion to take root.

A man who has done nothing but good, who loses his loved ones unfairly and suffers immense hardship, think of Maximus in gladiator, he is a true victim of the worlds injustice. But a random anon on 4chan blaming women for his own shortcomings is merely a victim of his own mind.

>>510213879
which god?

New Jeetcel thread!

>>510215181
we're good thanks

>>510211645
fat chicks get with fat guys

you do not resemble thor

>>510215062
youre technically correct in the sense that men have to be the ones to fix the situation we find ourselves in. however i think that we live in unprescedented historical times where the conditions men find themselves in are almost DESIGNED to castrate, demoralize and pacify them.

hard to compare someone who grew up in an entirely different, pre-modern context to someone who is sedated and brainrotted by the lab rat conditions we live in today.

telling men that they are just failing to be men, while technically correct, is like telling a cripple his problem is "bro youre just not walking enough"... yes, TRUE, but it doesnt solve the issue for most and wont cause significant change at scale.

the incentive system for men to engage with women is dying, and alternate pleasures are replacing it. its a feedback loop, men are weakened and inert, women are quite mentally ill and spiraling, and its all becoming a highly dysfunctional snowball.

>>510215070
The invisible God

>>510196207 (OP)
Left looks healthy and masculine
Right looks healthy and a little gay

That’s probably all there is to it. I doubt this phenomenon would be widely replicable with more models.

>>>>510200049
Yeah I know an ugly beaner like this. He is practically a cartoon character as well but does well with women with a boomhauer strategy and absolutely zero concern for her looks.

>>510207830
That pic is powershitter cope
t. coping powershitter using the same arguments

>>510196207 (OP)
It's not the look it's the "12 weeks of hard work". They want a guy to look like the right (probably add a few percent bodyfat) but naturally. They don't want a guy who has to put in effort to look like that though, just someone who does.

>>510215911
You raise some very interesting points and I agree. One can only hope that this is as far as the pendulum swings, assuming there is one.

I hope and have a belief that the generations to come will be able to adapt and perhaps even look back at this time as the peak of dysfunctional degeneracy. A time of societal dysfunction and moral confusion.

>>510196207 (OP)
>lifting for her

>>510196207 (OP)
The thing you need to understand is there are different types and levels of attraction. There's a difference between eye candy attraction and attraction to a guy that I actually want to date.

Men probably enjoy looking at pictures of huge boobs but I bet you wouldn't like the actual reality of never being able to properly hug your partner or how much. they actually get in the way during sex or the constant back pain and more.

The boys are really missing the point with this one. Women don’t actually find this guy attractive in either picture. That allows them to pick left because left is just unattractive but maybe fun, relaxed whereas right is unattractive and upright gym bro as well. You have to understand that women start from whether you’re inherently attractive and then make all kinds of inferences about your personality based on what you’re wearing, how fit you are, where you are who you’re with stuff like this. If you’re not attractive, being fun and funny or rich or preferably all the above is your best hope. If you’re attractive you don’t even need to be that fit so it doesn’t matter either way.

>>510217844
i certainly hope things get better man. i know im blackpilling, but the issues run deep and it does feel pretty hopeless. i dont think it can continue like this much longer though, men and women are spiralling down into civilizational suicide levels of antipathy towards each other. so either things will improve or they will collapse, forcing us back into an earlier point in history in how we organize society.

i just feel like the cocktail of things which fuel dysgenic behavior like oversocialization via the internet, endocrine disruptors in everything, poor overall food quality and pollution depositing microplastics literally into our brains and organs are just gonna make it impossible to unfuck people mentally.

but i dont fucking know man, shits grim and never before in history have humans been in this kind of decline on all fronts.

ill stop doomposting now kek

>>510216432
i mean, thats kind of implied, theyre all invisible. if they werent, then we wouldnt still be here.
maybe you mean invisible in the context of its application in mythology?

so, Amun?
- i like this one cuz it always wins

Aether?
- i like this one cuz it reminds me of when the gnostics tried to do pagan mythology and then drove themselves insane trying to do what everyone else does

the Manitou?
- i like this one cuz it reminds me you dont have to be white to engage in the common spiritual pursuit of communicating with the gods, only be spiritually independant from jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou

>>510196207 (OP)
>im begging men to understand women aren't lying
>proceed to lie through their teeth
I don't trust anyone, but all I learned about mistrust was with women

Also,
>it's really better before!
I pity the man that pursue approval from such wretched creatures as women

>>510198489
A average lookin women would marry the left one and sleep with the right one, they are just filled with cope, because a guy like that would reject an average lookin fat bitch

>>510218270
yes because you're a fat bitch, and a guy who works out would make you insecure

>>510196207 (OP)
1 looks healthier. 1 looks like he'd beat the shit out of 2.
It's not about "how big your muscles are."
It's about how deadly you appear/are. There is a reason serial killers have more women masturbating to them than you've ever touched. Women prefer a DANGEROUS man. Not a muscled manlet. The "Muscled" version appears weaker.
>Pic Related
Peak Male Performance.

>>510197140
That guy took it like a champ

This is how so many white liberals and boomers are going to die when the browns go all Haiti on us

>>510197450
It's the tight short shorts I think that are doing a lot of the "ick" heavy lifting here.

I feel like his results would be different if he had worn the original shorts and not the femboy hooters bootyshorts

>>510211645
the truth is that theres a wider range of attractive male physiques and not everyone can lean into the bloatloard physique and look good, just like you cant lean into the twink physique because of proportions/face/hair