So you don't believe in climate change, eh?

Why is it that banks saying things like, "we are now expecting a 3 degree celsius world"?
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/big-banks-quietly-prepare-for-catastrophic-climate-change/

Why is it that actuaries are planning for climate change?
>https://actuaries.org.uk/media/g1qevrfa/climate-scorpion.pdf
>https://actuaries.org.uk/media/qeydewmk/the-emperor-s-new-climate-scenarios_ifoa_23.pdf

Why is it deniers can't explain increasing global temperatures? Some will say it's the sun, but they can't produce any models or predictions of just how much the sun will raise temperatures over the near term or the long term. Where are the hard predictions by deniers over the past 10-20 years? Why not hold them to account?

Deniers also claim scientists are just after the money, yet they refuse to acknowledge that such an accusation would apply just as much -- if not more -- to oil and gas corporations that are legally obligated to try to make a profit.

In short the climate is warming, and CO2 and methane are responsible for that warming, and the warming that is yet to come. Everyone accepts it except shills and schizos.

>Come gather 'round people
>Wherever you roam
>And admit that the waters
>Around you have grown
>And accept it that soon
>You'll be drenched to the bone
>If your time to you is worth savin'
>And you better start swimmin'
>Or you'll sink like a stone
>For the climate they are a-changin'

>>510220608 (OP)
Basically? I just don't believe in climate change.

>>510220678
In what part?
That it's getting warmer? or
That the cause of the warming is CO2 and methane?

>>510220608 (OP)
>30cm sea level rise in 100 years
Sure thing buddy, got any photos from Venice for example to prove it?

>>510220608 (OP)
I believe in but this attitude of the activists and "Expert" are counter productive. Tend just go complain while the Only solutions they give is fake "Green energy" which is also bad for the environment

>>510220832
I don't have any photos of Venice from 124 years ago on hand, do you?

>>510220877

>>510220912
What, if any, solutions do you think there are?
Do you support nuclear?
Wind and solar?
Geothermal?
Electric cars?

>>510220982
So, you can't prove what you're saying.

>>510220608 (OP)
Its a whole load of nonsense. As it gets hotter more of the water evaporates and goes into space. What's the problem?

>>510221035
I don't know where this is from or when it is from, but it's obviously incorrect, and the mechanism involved in causing the warming has been known for sometime. picrel

>>510221097
Can you prove that the earth is the third planet from the sun?

What do you mean prove. I offered up data from those people who monitor these things. If you want to deny that you can, but what data do you have that's more reliable? And why the fuck should I trust you?

>>510221227
I know where this is from, and wikipedia can be edited by anybody to say anything.
My post was from the book Strange Stories, Amazing Facts. Saying it's wrong doesn't mean it wasn't a widely held belief, just like global warming is now. Fifty years from now, people will know that global warming wasn't real.

>>510220608 (OP)
let me clue you in, "man made climate change" is a psyop to cover up the upcoming Micronova of the Sun.

>>510221306
>I offered up data from those people who monitor these things.
You offered up data from people who's job it is to make money for investors.
Saying something is in danger means you can charge more for insurance.

>>510221449
>but it's wikipedia
lol don't know how to use google?
here's another site
>https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/1903/arrhenius/biographical/

The first report to the US president on climate change was in the 1960s when Keeling first started measuring CO2 in the air

>>510221573
I'm referring to the graph using NOAA data
>>510221505
please enlighten us. How much warming will this Micronova cause, when will it happen, and how long will it last?

>>510221634

>>510221710
People have been posting lots of things for years.
>I'm referring to the graph using NOAA data
Then post the graph. I can already tell you it doesn't matter though.

Why do people know it's true now, when they knew it was true before, but were wrong?

>>510222014
The graph is in the OP.
Let's be frank here. Are you saying that
a) the earth is not warming
b) the earth is warming but not because of CO2 and methane
c) some third thing
?

>>510220608 (OP)
Let's adapt if and when it happens rather than shifting money to you guys because it "might" happen

>>510221852
I don't know about quotes, but Hansen was not far off in his models. picrel

>>510220608 (OP)
The Earth's temperature experiences periodic fluctuations. Deal with it.

>>510222343
do you know what is causing the current fluctuations? do you have any hard predictions about the near term?

>>510222312
I'm not getting money from anyone for anything to do with this. I ask you the same questions I asked here>>510222162

>>510220608 (OP)
>Where are the hard predictions by deniers over the past 10-20 years? Why not hold them to account?
lmao
>you will definitely be crushed by a car. as a result you should pay me for car crush protection
>"uh, no"
>LMAAAOOOOOO WHERE IS YOUR PROOF YOU WON'T BE SMUSHED BY A VEHICLE? PAY UP.

>>510222162
I'm saying that anybody that believes any of it at face value is a fool.
Look at the shit I'm posting. It goes all over the place on what people "know" is happening.
I'm saying that disaster sells, and you bought.
I'm saying according to the same scientists that support AGW, we have already passed several major tipping points and nothing can stop what's coming, yet they keep saying that we can stop what's coming.
I know that where NASA says the ocean has risen by over 6 inches, it has not.
I worked in shipbuilding, lived by the ocean, fished the ocean, bays, and backwaters. All the fishing spots I have used at low tide for 60 years are still above water.

and there you have it. Not a single response to my questions about why the big banks are predicting 3C of warming, and not a single hard prediction about the sun as a cause for warming temps

>>510220608 (OP)
>Where are the hard predictions by deniers over the past 10-20 years? Why not hold them to account?
There's no way you lack THIS much self awareness lmao.

>>510221710
>How much warming will this Micronova cause
its a cataclysmic event that is expected to cull 99.9% of the worlds population.
>when will it happen
its expected in the mid 2040s, you can already see how governments are preparing for it and they have been working on this since the 1940s.
>and how long will it last?
it will take decades if not centuries for things to settle down. dont forget the micronova has also an effect on everything else around it not just earth.
there is also the big question of how long will it take for the sun to return to normal. could be years, could be decades.

>>510222612
but I haven't bought anything. I would bet you a large sum of money that its CO2 and methane causing warming though.

I'm interested in your anecdotes about low tide, but man, how old are you? 70 something?

>>510222612
>I'm saying disaster sells
see >>510222734 for an alternative theory

>>510220608 (OP)
>and there you have it. Not a single response to my questions about why the big banks are predicting 3C of warming, and not a single hard prediction about the sun as a cause for warming temps

Because it's perplexing how a bank predicts the future of the climate, like they control it or some shit.

>>510220756
>That it's getting warmer? or
>That the cause of the warming is CO2 and methane?
There is no empirical evidence that smoke comes before fire, no.

>>510223027
That doesn't at all sound like Hansen; I read his site regularly and he never says we're doomed. He, in fact, has been an advocate for nuclear power as one way to mitigate warming.

>>510223054
Because the banks are looking at where investment is and seeing that we're not going to wean off of oil and gas fast enough to avoid the warming that the models (not made by the banks) are predicting.

You didn't answer the question. Is it a) or b)?

>>510222833
I'm 64.
The problem I have with all the simulations is they are not complete.
There is a lot if information missing, too many unknown processes that are still being discovered, yet they are treated as fact, not simulations.

>>510223308
Been fishing since you were 4?

Anyway, I respect that you're actually engaging in dialogue. The simulations are constantly being revised using new data from empirical studies. But I want to ask you the same question, as I asked already. Do you deny that there is warming (which isn't about models), or do you deny the explanation for the warming?

>>510223304
My problems for a) the past measurements for temps were may not be as accurate as thought and would skew any results. The places Iive have the same temps as before, but the seasons come a few weeks earlier.
Problems for b) I don't have the means to verify or rule out their numbers, so I can't be certain.

>>510220608 (OP)
Its HAARP and Project 2025
Gates wants to control sunlight in the UK because he wants to live longer or something.

Our weather is not natural at all. Its manipulated.

>>510223304
>Because the banks are looking at where investment is
Which has nothing to do with science
>and seeing that we're not going to wean off of oil and gas fast enough to avoid the warming that the models
Maybe the dumb niggers should be investing in oil because they're fucking banks and make money?

You didn't answer the question. Is it a) or b)?
It's neither. The globe cools too and CO2 does nothing because it's an insulator. Insulators don't do anything, the perfect insulator is a fucking vacuum, ie: Nothing.

>>510223529
Yep, fishing with my dad at 4.
I miss the water being clean.
I also appreciate the dialog.

>>510223896
You're mental, please get help and an education.

>>510223750
I agree that there are challenges for getting past temperatures. If you're interested in how one of the orgs that publishes temp data does it, here is Berkeley Earth's detailed methodology
>https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/12/3469/2020/essd-12-3469-2020.html
I would read up on Keeling and Arrhenius if I were you. It shows just how long it's been known that increasing CO2 would increase temps.

>>510223054
>Because it's perplexing how a bank predicts the future of the climate, like they control it or some shit.
the Banks are in on the scam, they know that they can make a lot of money if they along with their jewish friends lobby for the "man made climate change" scam.
whats real is that something is going on with the sun and with the earths magnetic field.
nothing can be done about that, the Bank jews know this, the elites know this too, they cant stop this cataclysm, so what do they do?
they invent "man made climate change" so they can bill you for it through all kinds of rules, laws, legislations, CO2 scams etc. that they profit from.
that way they can steal trillions of dollars over decades financing themselves a comfy life and the means to survive and come out better on the other end of this and maintain their grip in the new world (assuming earth makes it through and life will still be possible).

>>510221037
The only Solution Is to Nuke africans and indians unfortunately, they are griwing and to grow you have to use a lot of vegetal coal

>>510224105
Do you know how much money people have and continue to make off of oil? Do you not think they would want to continue to make as much money for as long as possible? Do you think they might have reason to create doubt about climate change? How come money is not a motivating factor for such people in your theory?

>>510224049
Well friend, I have to get going. Thanks for the discussion.

>>510224268
Yes, they are certainly growing.
So let's agree to stop legal immigration and figure out how to wean the world off a dependence on middle east black stuff, and see what alternatives we can come up with in the process

>>510224456
god bless anon

>>510224378
>Do you not think they would want to continue to make as much money for as long as possible?
and they do. the jewish owners of the oil industry arent making any losses.
they are actually invested in the man made climate change scam even directly funding their fake opposition.

This isn't a problem I can solve, nor will it become dire in my lifetime. I live at 300 meters elevation. The people who will suffer are people in equatorial regions, and they continue to escalate pollution and CO2 emissions as rapidly as possible, so at this point it's just going to happen. The only thing I fear is the horde of refugees trying to flood my home.

>>510224105
>>510224378

I'm playing a bit of devils advocate while pointing out the obvious in their role. It's absurd, it's like using a fucking casino as a source for climate change proof. They always win, they write the fucking loans to these shitter companies. They wrote them to the failure solar companies under obama, they write them to failure electric roller skates under Biden and Trump . They write them to oil, they treat all of it as diversifying their portfolio you stupid fucking Canadian. And all because you and I pay for it, you pay for rich faggots to get a discount on coal powered shitboxes. We don't because we don't have more than one car and can't afford a spare piece of shit that might shit the bucket and cause us to lose the wagie job.
That has nothing to do with the fact that there is literally no proof the CO2 or mathane plays a significant factor in "global climate change". Why do none of these faggots talk about China's HAARP that's 10 times larger than ours and constantly running? Why do none of them talk about how we've nuked ourselves over 2000 times? You know, shit that actually manipulates the weather. Cloud seeding? "Oh that's a good thing". No it's not. What would be a good thing is you faggots stop california dreaming in fucking deserts when you have no reason being there. What would be a better thing is if these type of people stopped whinging that the forecast changing during your minuscule existential existence on a billion year old rock that doesn't even notice.

>>510224733
I'll give you the last word for today, as I gotta go..

>>510220608 (OP)
>this stupid leaf is back again
Alright, before I make you taste my dick yet again, what org do you work for? Why are you spamming this? Yes, I know who you are. No, I am not mistaken.

>>510225036
Oh fucking wonderful. Goddamned unscientific faggot instantly bailed out a second before I showed up. Awesome.

>>510225014
geo engineering is also an attempt of trying to fix the earths magnetic field somehow but of course its a retarded idea and doesnt work like all the retarded jewish ideas.
jews are powerless against the Sun.

bump

>>510220608 (OP)
Is this sea level rise localized anon?

>zoom out on any chart

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