So basically I've been thinking that if you flay off your skin and take away your bones, but leave your eyes brain and nerves, that is the real you. That is how we percieve this universe. Our computer brain made by evolution or god or whatever the fuck recieves electrical signals from our nerves and interprets them into the world we percieve. I see the world in front of me like a screen but it comes from light hitting my eyeballs and my brain interpreting that somehow through """"physics"""" and """"chemistry"""".
My "mind's eye"/"consciousness"/"soul" sends electrical shocks through my nervous system in order to animate my skeleton so that I can type out this message to you and ask for help. I can't get his out of my head and it's bothering me more and more like a splinter in my brain that is engorging!
Please help me! The more I know the worse it gets!

>>510240575 (OP)
>I've been thinking
no, reddit has been thinking for you

I’m just a bag of spaghetti

>>510240575 (OP)
Yeah it's fragile. take care of it

Then there's the debate of whether or not this is it! Is this electro-chemical experience all there is?? Were we deposited here just to see the electrons dance around?? I'm a normal individual day to day but this shit keeps my eyeballs open at night staring at the ceiling fan aware of itself.
I'm just here in order to make electro-chemical reactions until it is impossible to continue doing so? Is this is? Is my soul an electron??? I have an eye in my brain that I see the world with but I can't understand how!! It's like looking through a telescope that stretches across the universe!

>>510240575 (OP)
>mind's eye
always hated this saying

>>510240746
lol

>>510240575 (OP)
He’ll yeah I love smoking weed bro

>>510240575 (OP)
I look like this.

>>510240851
Dude must have had a really big dick.

it looks like we evolved from plants

>>510240575 (OP)
dude who cares, shits boring. eat pizza and get pussy

>>510240575 (OP)
its a meat container for your soul, take care of it but try not to get too attached.

>>510241027
stay in /ptg/ you pedo

>>510240575 (OP)
You are an idiot. That is part of your mestsuit still. Once you find your common denominator you will find that you are pure emergy unless you are rhe hylic you are.

>>510240575 (OP)
The nerve on that one. It makes me nervous

>>510240989
Was thinking the same thing.

>>510240575 (OP)
you can demystify this experience by reading a fucking book nigger

>>510240575 (OP)

Yes, we are all just an extension of natures jellyfish.

>>510240575 (OP)
>thinks he is having deep thoughts
Babbys first mushroom trip huh?

>>510240575 (OP)
>>510240575 (OP)
Come on, OP. That's what bothers you so much?
I myself don't even want the nerve endings or eyes. I just want my lone brain to interface with a robot body that has artificial eyes(cameras) and sensors. Basically a brain in a jar.

>>510240575 (OP)
Why does it bother you? There's nothing to be bothered about.

>>510240575 (OP)
>my nervous system in order to animate my skeleton
Nervous system is connected to the muscular system, not to the skeletal system
Your brain could not function without the respiratory and circulatory system, you need a body to house the mind.

>Please help me! The more I know the worse it gets!
Tell me more then fren

the only reason the universe exists is because you are there to observe it. without your observer it wouldnt even matter.

>>510240989
>Dude must have had a really big dick.
>>510241158
>Was thinking the same thing.
He had big low hanging balls too.
It's a shame they had to cut it all away. If they wanted to draw crowds to their little display they'd have left it all.

>>510240575 (OP)
You can just post the meme you stole this from, instead of acting like you came up with this all organically on your own, faux-intellectual retard.

>>510240575 (OP)
>acknowledges that sensation begets experience
>denies that any organ system other than the nervous system relays tactile sensation to the nervous system
You must be on psychedelics, because that’s the only way you’d be thinking this abstractly about the self without being able to perceive the different elements which make up the self

Get off 4chan, we’re not your blog. This post has nothing to do with politics.

>>510241393
The universe existed before we w re here though
The process of star, planet and galaxy formation was happening

My eyes somehow look at everything and not only percieve the world in front of me but instantly compute a million equations consciously and subconsciously.
For instance, yesterday I got into an argument with my boss and he was fairly chill about it until one moment when we locked eyes and could see each other's anger. Not only did my eyes somehow percieve the light through the hole called my pupil, but my brain computed a a million different things from genetics, subconscious and conscious experiences and forced me to react without thinking.
It just doesn't make sense to me that electro-chemical impulses in an organ can be such a powerful computer as to do something even as mundane as that interaction, let alone bend our environment to our will as humans have! Who made these rules??
Am I a real person or am I just watching this shit through a keyhole??

>>510241450
god damnet i hate this shit. everyone says that bullshit now and pretends to be deep. "wow man were stardust". ya. so. and? point being? fucking faggots. everyones a fucken poet.

>>510241293
theres a pretty good lovecraft story about that, "The Whisperer in the Darkness" (1930).
Its about aliens that come to earth to mine it for materials and hire humans to help and travel to their planet, they have a machine that removes the brain from the body nd allows it to go to the alien planet

>>510240575 (OP)
Actually we are the sum of our components. If you did anything to damage your body permanently, you would suffer a change in mentality and lifestyle so you would no longer be you.

>>510241512
You're overthinking it. Before you were born, there were no worries, and after you die, there will be no worries. So there's no reson to spend this life worrying. It's good to think, but bad to overthink, since it makes you neurotic. Just enjoy life. May I suggest you have a glass of wine or two and listen to some calm music, fren.

I mean our bones are literally biological matter formed within our body. Its not like its some inanimate objects we form ourself around.
If you're going to be randomly selective, I think you either stop at the brain or you dont. Everything is an extension of the brain. Our nerves are formed by our brain to give us a usable body. Bones formed by us to give stable control. Mouths and stomach to consume nutrients to keep our body engine running. Eyes to better grasp whats around us.

I dont see why you just value nerves and eyes like theyre extra special. We are either the full complete vehicle formed by our brains. Or you could view us as a brain. A thinking device capable enough to grow and maintain the rest of our body.

>>510240575 (OP)
You’re a retard. Aside from it not actually being the “real you”, even if it was and we limited the person to merely the function of their organs then by removing the rest of them you’re removing the context for their operation. The entire body is what we call the person.

>>510240575 (OP)
Negative. The sould is elsewhere, these are just meat avatars, brain is a transceiver and control system for the avatar. Your assumption is that whatever makes us us is here. If we assume that assumption is wrong, then everything else logically follows.

To paraphrase Dark City, you are looking in the wrong place.

>>510240575 (OP)
bitches be saying I got some nerve like yeah hoe I got 7 billion of em

>>510241766
soul*

>>510241450
>this particular rock
The only one ever found, ever even remotely relevant to us and where all of our knowledge and experiences are stored. The literal only civilisation found in the entire universe so far. But oh yeah it’s just a particular rock.

>>510240575 (OP)
No, you're your muscles and blood vessels and everything else too. All these systems interact and feed back into each other so you cannot isolate one system and claim that's the real you.

>>510240575 (OP)
Let me tell you the meaning of life anon. Lovecraft was right. The entirety of existence is a God's dream and when you wake up everything that ever was will fade away and all that will remain is the memories of how crappy you treated yourself in your own dreams.

>>510241176
more like first Mütter Museum trip

>>510241512
>eyes somehow look at everything and not only percieve the world in front of me but instantly compute a million equations consciously and subconsciously.
Eyes don’t compute anything. Lay off the bowl, you’re out of your depth.

>>510241512
>"Am I a real person or am I just watching this shit through a keyhole??"
That one.

>>510240575 (OP)
thats retarded and you're retarded too. no, every part of you is required to fulfill a complete experience.

I fucking hate stoners so much

>>510240575 (OP)
This kind of stuff used to bother me when I was like 9 years old and first figured it out on my own. (This was in the 90s so I didn't see it on a YouTube video or whatever).

I am amazed at the lack of insight and introspection among some people. It seems you're completely incapable of independent thought.

>>510241635
so then things your body depends on are also you

>>510240575 (OP)
Okay...? Every other animal that isn't a microbe has a nervous system and a skeleton of some kind.
>>510240851
No one cares retard

>>510240719
fpbp
/thread

>>510240575 (OP)
>youre a heckin brain piloting a meat skeleton

>>510241512
it's not complicated, anon
1. the physical 'world' is your body/nerves
2. the metaphysical 'world' is your subjective experience
3. the two worlds are distinct from each other
4. you have proof of both existing (your experience and your body).

There is not one without the other.
Without the body, the metaphysical world does not exist.
Without the mind, the physical world is not perceived.

Simple as.

>>510240575 (OP)
we are the titan of our inner eldian sperm form

>>510240575 (OP)
Welcome to the first stage of awakening from the Platonic Cave that is your existence.

It gets better, OP: I know Kurzgesagt is a bit memey and put out some real suspect stinkers, this particular one is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo_e0EvEZn8

There is no central "mind's eye" though, you are a concert of various brain functions. There is a part of your neocortex, on the right side on the temporal or visual lobe, where if you stick a tool in a specific spot and wiggle it around a little bit to destroy the neurons there: nothing noticeable about you would change, almost everything would remain the same to you, but you would never recognize one person's face from another anymore than you can recognize one sheep or cow face from another. Even if it's your own kin. You would see a human face, but it would be indistinguishable from other faces. Is recognizing your wife or child a 'soul' function? No, because destroying the brain selectively deletes your ability to recognize your wife.

>>510240575 (OP)
>muh reductionism
and int the trash you go

>>510244028
To continue, this is the machine that magicians program for. A magician is someone trained on manipulating the virtual model of the world (and yourself). Magicians we know, play with the visual and auditory senses. Psychological operators are magicians which can manipulate your model of yourself, or ideals, or anything not typically sense-oriented. What Edward Bernays developed was a whole field of magick.

>>510244434
>>510244028
Seek help

>>510240575 (OP)
did you mean to put (((physics))) and (((chemistry))) as such? I guess it would be weird to do this because both scientific disciplines have done a number of obliterating jewish snake oil sales and whatnot, so I guess it's fine you couldn't figure it out, what with your peanut-sized brain that should be larger, considering your schnozz sucks up all that oxygen.

>>510244028
>>510244434
Meme Magick only exists in one place: the system which creates the VR model in your head that you experience cognitively to be the real world. If it feels limiting, fret not! This is what kings and other human-tamers exploit in order to build larger systems. People acting together under a common system of rules and beliefs create egregore-like constructs (the ancient city gods). This is Meme Magick at work.

Pick up Packwood's work Memetic Magick from libgen when you can.

>>510244545
I hate the anti-king! I hate the anti-king!

>>510241025
The brain evolved from Jellyfish.

>>510240851
fukken dumbass, your bones are the ground to this electrical system.

>>510240575 (OP)
It’s all bullshit. Fuck it

>>510240575 (OP)
>>510241450
Your body exists only as a machine to reproduce so really "you" are your cock and everything else is an appendage meant to help guide it into a vagina.

>>510240575 (OP)
>I've been thinking that if you flay off your skin and take away your bones, but leave your eyes brain and nerves, that is the real you
First of all, you're dead in that scenario.
Furthermore, the way you think and feel is also heavily influenced by your gut literally. Embodied cognition is a real thing. If you uploaded your consciousness to a computer, it would immediately become something else.

Your a soup of thousands of humans and only the dominant ones express themselves.

(These are not 3 different people)

>>510240575 (OP)
If that is YOU (and it is), why are YOU afraid of what YOU actually are and look like?

>>510240575 (OP)
the real you is beyond the physical. what is it that makes you like what you like and dislike what you dislike?

>>510240575 (OP)
Thats Andross, I fought him on starfox 64

>>510240575 (OP)
Great that you realized how ridiculous that model is that scientist propose and that doesn't allign with your own personal experience of perception. Now reject it and move on from physicalism

>>510240575 (OP)
>but it comes from light hitting my eyeballs
You don't even notice that this is yet another image.

>>510246109
>Why do some molecular structures interact with other molecular structures in this way and not in that way?
God knows.

>>510240575 (OP)
The nervous system is like electrical wiring, like a pile of cables.
Bacteria and other microorganisms (fungi, archaea, viruses) constitute 70-90% of the cells in the body.
We are like a walking planet.

Not really. The rest of your body affects your feelings and what you think and do. So it's all of you. Those parts merely transfer those sensations.

>>510240575 (OP)
heckin updoot! trans rights!

>>510240575 (OP)
> wait until he realizes you're an emergent property of complexity with a very simplified (and wrong) approximation concept of what the universe is, unconsciously with the ultimate goal of expanding the universe's consciousness and creating gods, and then other universes with similar emergent properties.

>>510240719
Kek'd

>>510241393
there's the universe our brain creates (world representation), and the actual universe. Of course the real universe exists, because like the other anon said, it existed way before any form of biological consciousness ever emerged from it. so we couldn't exist without it.

The world representation in our brain is very interesting though, our brain is a very capable universe simulator, we can simulate physics, optics, human interactions and a lot of cool shit, it might as well be a tiny universe. If you ever had a lucid dream you know how detailed shadows, reflections and physics interactions are, and you can even have conversations with other people and somehow you don't know what they will say (even though it's all in your own brain).

Maybe this universe is inside God's brain.

>>510249920
The collective hallucionation theory is more accurate than we observing the universe as it is.

>>510246109
you think you have it all figured out?

>>510240575 (OP)
no you’re gay and stupid consciousness is actually received into the body

>>510240575 (OP)
And?

>>510240575 (OP)
OH MY SCIENCE!!!

>>510240575 (OP)
itt: faggot took his first philosophy class

>>510241603
I hope ayy lmaos like those are real. I'd volunteer to go in a heartbeat.

Now imagine having no inner monologue

>>510254519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA

>>510240575 (OP)
> if you flay off your skin and take away your bones, but leave your eyes brain and nerves, that is the real you
This only works for a minute or two. Then it WAS the real you.

>>510256897
gross

>>510240575 (OP)
Stupid jeet, saged

>>510240575 (OP)
>The more I know the worse it gets!
have you seen the universe? as a fish sees water and the unshakable feeling it's in the room with you so that you could grok it's absence thus begging the question of why it's here to begin with?

>>510240851
> I have an eye in my brain that I see the world with but I can't understand how!!
because the universe is self-referential. you aren't a stand alone unit; you are the universe and only perceive otherwise because long ago the whole became many + time.

>>510240989
Nah, I bet he was just uncircumcized. There are like a billion nerves in your foreskin and a rabbi wants to harvest them and feed them to his annoying devil bitch mother.

>>510240575 (OP)
Exposing nerves to air causes hellish pain